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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:04 GMT
About 11:30 this morning, I arrived at Alltel to discuss our
ongoing data disconnect problem with my Moto E815.  Last night
300 yards from the tower at Hardees staring through the window at
it with -65 dbm of phone signal, I got dumped 6 times in 30
minutes while eating a hamburger.  Getting home and leaving it on
the cell, instead of my wifi, it dumped me twice in an hour as I
connected to webpages to test it.  I'd had enough....(c;

A new employee was unlucky enough to take my case at the local
Alltel company store.  Bluetooth was what you connected headsets
to the phones with, was his limit of knowledge.  DUN meant
nothing to him.

So, he took the E815, my second unit dropping data calls, into
inner sanctum where, I'm convinced, heavily robed individuals
whos names are as secret as the owners of the Federal Reserve
Private Bank Corporation, held some kind of seance over it.  
Someone "back there", as Clara Pell used to put it on Wendy's
commercials, said ALL E815 PHONES HAVE A SOFTWARE ISSUE CAUSING
DATA DISCONNECTS!  That's what the "new guy" said as he came out
of the secret, cypher-lock-protected, sacred chamber.  So, it was
decided by the bishop-in-charge, I needed my brand new E815 #2
replaced by the "Only phone they will replace it with", he
declared in his most authoritative voice....a Motorola V3A Razr.

He took away my DEFECTIVE MOTOROLA PRODUCT (store that
momentarily) and unboxed a new V3a, putting it on my account for
free as the DEFECTIVE MOTOROLA PRODUCT I had purchased on a 2-yr
plan, was "tits up", so to speak.

UNWILLING to "take their word for it", and damned glad I didn't,
I tried pairing the Nokia N800 internet tablet, the reason I was
there in the first place, with the V3a.  It DID pair, it really
did!  BUT THERE WAS NO DUN (Dial Up Networking) and NO EVDO
SYMBOL on its cute little display.  Oops....I went from:

INTERMITTENT INTERNET CONNECTIVITY

TO

NO INTERNET CONNECTIVITY!

I'd need to see the manager, who was out to lunch in inner
sanctum, to do anything more, "Will you wait until she returns?"

YES, I WOULD!

While I waited for Her Majesty's luncheon to complete, I took the
liberty to call from one of the DEMO PHONES (never call from your
own cellphone) to 611.  FIVE different people down a long line
later, I was handed to the "Data Support Department".  (STORE
THAT KEYWORD!  IT'S MAGIC!  It hypnotizes the clones answering
the phones into connecting you DIRECTLY, later on!

The nice man in Data Support was a natural born American, very
knowledgeable and had resources at his disposal to tell me,
"That's crazy!  The V3a ISN'T AN EVDO PHONE!  It's an old 1X and
it will never connect over DUN to your tablet."

Her Immenseness came in the back way through the cave and "my
guy", the new guy, was passing by out of her office when I asked
him if she was back yet.  Unable to ignore me in "swing range",
he took me to his desk and I told him what I had found out that
HE SHOULD KNOW ALREADY.  So, this time, undaunted, I FOLLOWED HIM
to the PORTAL....and was told to "wait here, please", again in
his most authoritative TS voice...not impressive.

Her Emminence had relented and said I could have a Samsung SCH-
R500, a cool little toyphone they're dumping because it's old and
noone wants it any more for $39 (contract price).  They're
willing to let me have one to replace the unusable V3a.  Back to
the desk for another phone swap, install my phone book again, try
to pair it with the Nokia N800......NO GO!

If I pair the phone using the Nokia to call it, the phone reports
DUN, SPP, FTP, OPP to the Nokia's call.  Great!  It has DUN!

But wait, NOT SO FAST!  Go to the PHONE and look at what the
PHONE thinks the N800 profiles are and it says:

OPP (Push) ONLY!   NO DUN, NO FTP, NO SPP
DAMMIT, I NEED DUN so I can connect using the phone!  WTF?!
By this time, I was starting to get "ignored" having been there
for nearly 5 hours.  It was getting close to quitting time!  Is
he still here??!!

So, I took the Samsung home and booted up for more research.  I
called Alltel-1 back, got the Data Support from ONE person, gave
them my magic number so they could pull up my sad story and
account.  "We don't support DUN so there's nothing I can do."
from this new guy.  It must have been his quitting time, too!  I
got Samsung's support on Skype, waited my time and talked to a
Philipino lady who, Eventually after taking down my life's
history, sent me to "Level 2"...AN AMERICAN IN ENGLISH!  HE told
me, "we no longer support DUN connections as it's so hard to get
them to connect from so many different places."  He really said
that!  We tried a couple of things he knew about, but Samsung
couldn't help me connect their CURRENT MODEL with my tablet,
something my E815 did the first time I tried it.  NO FUN, NO JOY!

I called Nokia's N800 support.  "I think that Samsung is BT Ver 1
something.  Your N800 is BT ver 2.0 under OS 2007.  That may be a
problem.  The N800 is FULLY BT2.0 DUN compliant.  You need to get
a newer phone than that old one they gave you."  We tried a few
things and NO JOY trying to talk to this little Samsung I really
liked.

It was 7PM and I hadn't eaten since breakfast.  I also had an old
friend ask me to come hook up his DVD player to the monster LCD
in his living room, so that ended my Alltel Support Day 8 hours
after it started.  Now I have NO SELLPHONE INTERNET CONNECTIVITY!

I'll be at Alltel, first thing in the morning, after my last
1800alltel1 call on Skype.  She said I should try the ROKR I
should have been given in the first place.  It's BT 2.0 and
EVDO's latest revision so it won't crawl along like a snail.

I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG
IN HALF.....

Larry
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Claude S. Sutton, Jr - 03 Nov 2007 04:31 GMT
> It was 7PM and I hadn't eaten since breakfast.  I also had an old
> friend ask me to come hook up his DVD player to the monster LCD
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>
> Larry

Remember the "good old days" when you did not need a user manual to use
the phone?

Our number was 9633.  That was it.

You could pick up the phone in any city in the US and say "Operator,
please give me Greensboro, NC, 9633" and in a moment you would be
connected.

Once during the '40's, I was visiting my cousin in Robbinsville, NC, and
we were going trout fishing.  He picked up the phone to call a friend to
go with us.  He asked the operator to connect him and she said " It
won't do you any good, they are not at home."

And the kids today think they have a smart phone.

Now you can't even get a dial tone until you read for 30 minutes.

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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:56 GMT
> Our number was 9633.  That was it.

Moravia, NY - 22M  manual phone system.  22 was the circuit, M
was the ringer frequency 40 or 80 Hz, I forget which.  It was a
2-party line.

My buddy Robb Munn's phone number was        6
his was a private line.  His grandfather was the local telephone
tech for 40 years and ran the wires down main street!

My grandmother's cottage a the lake (Owasco Lake) was 473-J3

473 was the circuit number
J was the ringer AC frequency sent down the wires to ring ALL the
J bells simultaneously
3 mean 3 short
rings......ring..ring..ring.........ring..ring..ring.
All 4 houses with J bells in them rang 3 times.  Florence Ennis'
ring was 2.  Joe Kirkendahl's was 1.  Noone had 4 that I can
remember.  There weren't that many cottages...(c;

If Granny wasn't home, Florence would pickup as she could see the
car wasn't parked in her garage.  She knew where Granny had gone
so told you where you could call her.  You thanked her and hung
up.

WE HAD NO DIALS!

You picked up the heavy cast iron receiver...Blanche connected
the headset plug to your hole litup on the switchboard and said
in a friendly voice everyone loved, "Number please!"  "Blanche,
my grandmother is supposed to be at Hawley's Drug Store.  Please
call over there, thanks."  Blanche didn't know the number, just
the exact position of Hawley's jack hole on the massive
switchboard, so grabbing the accompanying interconnect cable she
plugged it into Hawley's hold and hit the ringer button to J
because Hawley's had a private line.  She'd ask Richard, the
owner, if my grandmother was there while I was still on the line
listening, probably because she wanted her, too...(c;

"No, she left a few minutes ago.  I think she went in the bank!",
Richard told us.  (click)  "Waitaminit, Larry, let's call the
bank."  We got Granny at the bank on Line 3 and said what needed
to be said.  Blanche had another few interconnects to make, so
didn't hear all we said.  We didn't mind.  When you were sick,
all you needed to say was.....

"Blanche, my grandmother's at home and real sick.  Do you know
where Doctor Yarington is?"  What a stupid question!  Blanche
knew when he went to pee!  He was our DOCTOR!  It was a
rhetorical question...(c;  Doctor Yarington came to the phone,
even though he was at Steven's farm way out on Rt 38, trading
doctor service for Mrs. Steven's homemade apple pie!  BLUE RIBBON
PIE!

I miss it, too.  My "Carphone" was a Motorola 2-way on 152.24 to
Toumey's Answering Service in Sumter, SC.  The answering
operators took all your calls and the radio blew your car horn if
you failed to answer her voice call.  She interconnected you to
the phone system to talk to your caller....or she made the call
for you.  All calls were HANDS FREE!  Very professional.  When
you called my little electronics business, they answered and the
caller thought you must be as big as IBM to have such a
professional staff answering your phone for you....(c;

IMTS was when it started to get un-personable, the forerunner to
SELLular.

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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:57 GMT
> Now you can't even get a dial tone until you read for 30 minutes.

I was in Mexico City......
You didn't have to "Press One for Spanish"
They didn't press 2 for English, either!

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The Ghost of General Lee - 03 Nov 2007 04:37 GMT
>Last night
>300 yards from the tower at Hardees staring through the window at
>it with -65 dbm of phone signal, I got dumped 6 times in 30
>minutes while eating a hamburger.

Well, there's your problem.  If you eat a hamburger from Hardee's, it
doesn't surprise me that you're dumping 6 times in 30 minutes.;-)
Steve Sobol - 03 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT
> Her Immenseness came in the back way through the cave and "my
> guy", the new guy, was passing by out of her office when I asked
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> to the PORTAL....and was told to "wait here, please", again in
> his most authoritative TS voice...not impressive.

I wish I could remember the Bluetooth site that lists a bunch of different
devices and which profiles they support.

It may be at the official industry site, bluetooth.org, but I'm not sure. If
I can remember, I'll post here.

> So, I took the Samsung home and booted up for more research.  I
> called Alltel-1 back, got the Data Support from ONE person, gave
> them my magic number so they could pull up my sad story and
> account.  "We don't support DUN so there's nothing I can do."
> from this new guy.  It must have been his quitting time, too!

Or, he could have been telling the truth. :) If they don't support the DUN
profile, they don't support the DUN profile.

> I'll be at Alltel, first thing in the morning, after my last
> 1800alltel1 call on Skype.  She said I should try the ROKR I
> should have been given in the first place.  It's BT 2.0 and
> EVDO's latest revision so it won't crawl along like a snail.

> I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG
> IN HALF.....

Nah, don't do that. Samsungs are much better than Motorolas, at least in
some respects. :)

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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 19:22 GMT
> I wish I could remember the Bluetooth site that lists a bunch of
> different devices and which profiles they support.

Oh, there's MORE this morning!  It's 2PM on Saturday.  I was
waiting at 9AM for Alltel to open up, much to their dismay.....

I entered Alltel's Local store at 9AM and informed, politely as I
could, that the Samsung wasn't going to work, then, after calling
Her Immenseness, we got a blessing for "ONLY ONE MORE PHONE
SWAP" to the Motorola ROKR.  It will cost me about $60 next month
for the "Upgrade" as they took back the Samsung, gave me credit
for the defective product E815 who's Bluetooth WORKED WITH MY
DUN.....then washed their hands of me warning this was the last
phone I was going to trade out.

The ROKR, the latest and greatest Alltel has paired very
successfully with the Nokia N800.  I paired from the Nokia
because the ROKR ONLY HAS FACILITIES TO PAIR WITH
HEADSETS/HANDSFREE!  This should have been my FIRST indication of
trouble.  Look for yourselves....only headsets and handsfree
Bluetooth.

The ROKR popped up a window saying a Nokia N800 wanted to pair
and I said YES.  THEN, another window popped up saying a Nokie
N800 was asking for DUN internet access and did I want to accept
or reject...I picked ACCEPT!  THE MOTOROLA ROKR SUPPORTS AND
ACCEPTS THE DUN ACCESS REQUEST OF THE NOKIA N800.  (Keep this in
mind...because it ain't gonna happen any more!)

Now, note that my N800 tablet DID have access through the
defective E815 phone to Alltel over Bluetooth DUN....I have pages
of data access on my bill to prove it to hizzoner during the
court proceedings.  And, note that the new Moto ROKR DOES have
DUN capabilities and DID accept my request for DUN access to the
internet through the ROKR's DUN profile, pairing successfully.  
You can see it both on the ROKR's list of paired devices and on
the Nokia's BT devices pairing list.  If you open the ROKR's
pairing from the N800's list, it lists successful pairing via
DUN, OPP and FTP.  (The ROKR doesn't support SPP.)

BUT....and I want everyone you know to know this....ALLTEL HAS
SHUT DOWN ALL BLUETOOTH ACCESS TO ALL ITS PHONES EXCEPT FOR
HEADSETS AND HANDSFREE DEVICES.....AND WILL NOT TURN THEM BACK
ON.

Alltel Data Support blamed Motorola for turning it off in
response to the goddamned ringtone business.  Motorola's software
department, and I talked to them DIRECTLY this morning for over
an hour, said this is a lie.  ALLTEL turned it all off, as did
all the other carriers SELLING RINGTONES....which makes lots more
sense!  Motorola and the other manufacturers providing DUN and
other BT profiles on their equipment could give a sh.t less about
ringtone sales....CARRIERS SELL RINGTONES and would do anything
short of killing their mothers to prevent you from sharing what
they sell!  Does that make more sense to you?...(c;

SO, I WENT FROM INTERMITTENT SELLULAR INTERNET SERVICE DUE TO THE
E815'S BUGGY FIRMWARE....TO NO SELLULAR INTERNET SERVICE WITH A
BRAND NEW MOTOROLA ROKR FROM ALLTEL'S OWN STORE.

Internet over bluetooth has been shut down, quite successfully if
I can't find a hack for it....where I'm going now....(c;

Goddamn them all....sure wish my business didn't depend on this
SELLular for its phone service or I'd get off Sellular for good!

My tablet still works great on wifi....and there's more wifi
everywhere.  WiMax is coming....(c;

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Larry - 05 Nov 2007 02:59 GMT
> I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG
> IN HALF.....

Problem SOLVED!  Saturday morning I returned the unusable Samsung
and sprung for a new Moto ROKR Z6M, not an old phone they are
dumping like these other two.  Her Majesty, our manager, was off
so the sales guy called her on her cell.  She told him because my
E815 was a lemon they'd let me buy the ROKR at the subsidized
price and give me credit for the E815 off it.  Price came to
$150, but there's a $100 rebate so I get the ROKR for $50 after
rebate.....a great deal.

ROKR paired with DUN, FTP, OPP profiles from the Nokia N800
tablet ONLY.  The pairing to devices other than headsets and
handsets has been REMOVED from the ROKR Bluetooth menu.  It
paired fine, asked me for approval to let the N800 have DUN
access to the net through it...pairing successful, internet DEAD
MEAT.  The calls from the N800 which accessed the net from the
E815 were ignored.  No connection took place.

Now, here's what happened.......(c;

Today, I was fooling around with the N800's file manager, with
the BT still paired and running on both units.  File manager
noticed the ROKR as an external drive so I clicked to look at the
files on it to see if I could move files between the tablet or my
laptop and the ROKR.  THE ROKR CONNECTED ON FTP!  I moved a few
MP3 files on and off the ROKR's 2GB microSD out of my Sansa MP3
player.  But, I had heard the double beep of connectivity from
the phone when it connected, NOT REALIZING I HAD INTERNET
CONNECTIVITY, TOO!  The phone, in pairing with FTP, had
automatically paired with DUN, too!.....

WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c;

Since doing this, the Nokia has been set to automatically get net
access through the ROKR over BT DUN and has connected fast, every
time!  They've just got the ROKR ignoring that initial call!  It
works fine, now, and I'm one happy camper to have phone internet
available, once again....
Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 04:08 GMT
> WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c;

I have to point out that I'd just use a data cable. ;)

*duck*

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Larry - 05 Nov 2007 14:18 GMT
>> WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c;
>
> I have to point out that I'd just use a data cable. ;)
>
> *duck*

I'd like to point out this is NOT a laptop, but an internet
tablet that has connectivity over Bluetooth or wifi ONLY.  Have
you seen or played with one?
http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
http://www.maemo.org/

Give it a look.  My Nokia tiny Bluetooth GPS receiver, tablet car
mounting kit and the great Navicore software/maps should be here
for it, today...(c;
http://www.navicoretech.com/Corporate/en_GB/frontpage/
http://tabletblog.com/2007/06/nokia-n800-navigation-kit-
review.html

http://tabletblog.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800
http://www.internettablettalk.com/
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thoughtfix
http://corp.orb.com/

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Glad it's working over the ROKR BT DUN....(c;

Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 20:12 GMT
>> *duck*
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800
> http://www.maemo.org/

No. I certainly am interested, though; sounds like a cool device.

But I just bought a Nokia phone (flip phone/camera/MP3 player/FM radio). That
will be the last major electronic purchase I'm going to make for a while.

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.

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Jim Rusling - 05 Nov 2007 20:30 GMT
>>> *duck*
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.

Which one did you get?
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Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 20:56 GMT
>>Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.
>
> Which one did you get?

T-Mobile Nokia 6133.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=897

The phone only has 11MB of built-in flash memory but it also has a Secure
Digital slot (it is, after all, an MP3 player too).

And the CA-53 USB data cable is available at fire-sale prices -- eBay
has it for $.01 plus $3.94 shipping and **that's a BuyItNow**.

Kinda makes the fact that Microsoft, er, Nokia, likes proprietary cables...
not as painful. :) (I note that the Nokia 5300 XpressMusic my wife carries
does have a standard mini-USB connector. But Nokia's pretty notorious for
the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and can put whatever we damn well want
to on our phones" attitude. :>)

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Jim Rusling - 05 Nov 2007 21:20 GMT
>>>Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and can put whatever we damn well want
>to on our phones" attitude. :>)

Just thought I would check.  I got a N75 a month ago and found out
that you could load the Nokia Maps application and the maps on micro
SD card.
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Alan Hoyle - 05 Nov 2007 22:11 GMT
> Just thought I would check.  I got a N75 a month ago and found out
> that you could load the Nokia Maps application and the maps on micro
> SD card.

I'm connecting my Palm TX with a Nokia 2865i.  It's only 1xRTT, but
it's fast enough for me.  I paired the devices with Bluetooth, and
then went into the Data settings.  I told it to do a data call to
#777, and suddenly it started working.  It would be darn near perfect
if it had a camera and a memory card slot.  Alltel didn't muck it up
too much: still has Java, Bluetooth hasn't been crippled (OBEX, FTP,
and Serial all seem to work).

I have the service that uses minutes when I'm making a data call,but
it's not a big deal for me, as my 4 line family plan only uses 1/4 of
the total minutes, I plan to only infrequently use the service, and I
can use WiFi instead at home or work.

-alan

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Larry - 06 Nov 2007 01:54 GMT
> Kinda makes the fact that Microsoft, er, Nokia, likes proprietary
> cables... not as painful. :) (I note that the Nokia 5300
XpressMusic
> my wife carries does have a standard mini-USB connector. But
Nokia's
> pretty notorious for the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and
can put
> whatever we damn well want to on our phones" attitude. :>)

The N800 tablet has a tiny standard DC connector.  The tiny
switching power supply has no markings or information on it
except NOKIA on the plastic.  There's no polarity or
voltage/current ratings.  When the battery is dead, it charges in
about an hour or so and the little brick hardly gets warm.

The Motorola ROKR Z6M has a camera USB connector for power/USB
connectivity.  Just for fun, I plugged it into my laptop using a
regular camera USB cord.  It went into charging its battery off
the laptop's USB port like a little pig sucking milk from a sow's
tit while the laptop logged it on as an external drive so Windows
Explorer could swap files with its 2GB microSD card for more
songs.  It's one cool slidephone....with a few glaring
stupidities, as usual.

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Steve Sobol - 06 Nov 2007 04:24 GMT
> The Motorola ROKR Z6M has a camera USB connector for power/USB
> connectivity.

All of the newer Moto phones, including my U6 PEBL, have standard USB
connectors. My PEBL's charger plugs in through the USB port also.

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