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A day at Alltel!
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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:04 GMT About 11:30 this morning, I arrived at Alltel to discuss our ongoing data disconnect problem with my Moto E815. Last night 300 yards from the tower at Hardees staring through the window at it with -65 dbm of phone signal, I got dumped 6 times in 30 minutes while eating a hamburger. Getting home and leaving it on the cell, instead of my wifi, it dumped me twice in an hour as I connected to webpages to test it. I'd had enough....(c;
A new employee was unlucky enough to take my case at the local Alltel company store. Bluetooth was what you connected headsets to the phones with, was his limit of knowledge. DUN meant nothing to him.
So, he took the E815, my second unit dropping data calls, into inner sanctum where, I'm convinced, heavily robed individuals whos names are as secret as the owners of the Federal Reserve Private Bank Corporation, held some kind of seance over it. Someone "back there", as Clara Pell used to put it on Wendy's commercials, said ALL E815 PHONES HAVE A SOFTWARE ISSUE CAUSING DATA DISCONNECTS! That's what the "new guy" said as he came out of the secret, cypher-lock-protected, sacred chamber. So, it was decided by the bishop-in-charge, I needed my brand new E815 #2 replaced by the "Only phone they will replace it with", he declared in his most authoritative voice....a Motorola V3A Razr.
He took away my DEFECTIVE MOTOROLA PRODUCT (store that momentarily) and unboxed a new V3a, putting it on my account for free as the DEFECTIVE MOTOROLA PRODUCT I had purchased on a 2-yr plan, was "tits up", so to speak.
UNWILLING to "take their word for it", and damned glad I didn't, I tried pairing the Nokia N800 internet tablet, the reason I was there in the first place, with the V3a. It DID pair, it really did! BUT THERE WAS NO DUN (Dial Up Networking) and NO EVDO SYMBOL on its cute little display. Oops....I went from:
INTERMITTENT INTERNET CONNECTIVITY
TO
NO INTERNET CONNECTIVITY!
I'd need to see the manager, who was out to lunch in inner sanctum, to do anything more, "Will you wait until she returns?"
YES, I WOULD!
While I waited for Her Majesty's luncheon to complete, I took the liberty to call from one of the DEMO PHONES (never call from your own cellphone) to 611. FIVE different people down a long line later, I was handed to the "Data Support Department". (STORE THAT KEYWORD! IT'S MAGIC! It hypnotizes the clones answering the phones into connecting you DIRECTLY, later on!
The nice man in Data Support was a natural born American, very knowledgeable and had resources at his disposal to tell me, "That's crazy! The V3a ISN'T AN EVDO PHONE! It's an old 1X and it will never connect over DUN to your tablet."
Her Immenseness came in the back way through the cave and "my guy", the new guy, was passing by out of her office when I asked him if she was back yet. Unable to ignore me in "swing range", he took me to his desk and I told him what I had found out that HE SHOULD KNOW ALREADY. So, this time, undaunted, I FOLLOWED HIM to the PORTAL....and was told to "wait here, please", again in his most authoritative TS voice...not impressive.
Her Emminence had relented and said I could have a Samsung SCH- R500, a cool little toyphone they're dumping because it's old and noone wants it any more for $39 (contract price). They're willing to let me have one to replace the unusable V3a. Back to the desk for another phone swap, install my phone book again, try to pair it with the Nokia N800......NO GO!
If I pair the phone using the Nokia to call it, the phone reports DUN, SPP, FTP, OPP to the Nokia's call. Great! It has DUN!
But wait, NOT SO FAST! Go to the PHONE and look at what the PHONE thinks the N800 profiles are and it says:
OPP (Push) ONLY! NO DUN, NO FTP, NO SPP DAMMIT, I NEED DUN so I can connect using the phone! WTF?! By this time, I was starting to get "ignored" having been there for nearly 5 hours. It was getting close to quitting time! Is he still here??!!
So, I took the Samsung home and booted up for more research. I called Alltel-1 back, got the Data Support from ONE person, gave them my magic number so they could pull up my sad story and account. "We don't support DUN so there's nothing I can do." from this new guy. It must have been his quitting time, too! I got Samsung's support on Skype, waited my time and talked to a Philipino lady who, Eventually after taking down my life's history, sent me to "Level 2"...AN AMERICAN IN ENGLISH! HE told me, "we no longer support DUN connections as it's so hard to get them to connect from so many different places." He really said that! We tried a couple of things he knew about, but Samsung couldn't help me connect their CURRENT MODEL with my tablet, something my E815 did the first time I tried it. NO FUN, NO JOY!
I called Nokia's N800 support. "I think that Samsung is BT Ver 1 something. Your N800 is BT ver 2.0 under OS 2007. That may be a problem. The N800 is FULLY BT2.0 DUN compliant. You need to get a newer phone than that old one they gave you." We tried a few things and NO JOY trying to talk to this little Samsung I really liked.
It was 7PM and I hadn't eaten since breakfast. I also had an old friend ask me to come hook up his DVD player to the monster LCD in his living room, so that ended my Alltel Support Day 8 hours after it started. Now I have NO SELLPHONE INTERNET CONNECTIVITY!
I'll be at Alltel, first thing in the morning, after my last 1800alltel1 call on Skype. She said I should try the ROKR I should have been given in the first place. It's BT 2.0 and EVDO's latest revision so it won't crawl along like a snail.
I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG IN HALF.....
Larry
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Claude S. Sutton, Jr - 03 Nov 2007 04:31 GMT > It was 7PM and I hadn't eaten since breakfast. I also had an old > friend ask me to come hook up his DVD player to the monster LCD [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Larry Remember the "good old days" when you did not need a user manual to use the phone?
Our number was 9633. That was it.
You could pick up the phone in any city in the US and say "Operator, please give me Greensboro, NC, 9633" and in a moment you would be connected.
Once during the '40's, I was visiting my cousin in Robbinsville, NC, and we were going trout fishing. He picked up the phone to call a friend to go with us. He asked the operator to connect him and she said " It won't do you any good, they are not at home."
And the kids today think they have a smart phone.
Now you can't even get a dial tone until you read for 30 minutes.
CSSJR
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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:56 GMT > Our number was 9633. That was it. Moravia, NY - 22M manual phone system. 22 was the circuit, M was the ringer frequency 40 or 80 Hz, I forget which. It was a 2-party line.
My buddy Robb Munn's phone number was 6 his was a private line. His grandfather was the local telephone tech for 40 years and ran the wires down main street!
My grandmother's cottage a the lake (Owasco Lake) was 473-J3
473 was the circuit number J was the ringer AC frequency sent down the wires to ring ALL the J bells simultaneously 3 mean 3 short rings......ring..ring..ring.........ring..ring..ring. All 4 houses with J bells in them rang 3 times. Florence Ennis' ring was 2. Joe Kirkendahl's was 1. Noone had 4 that I can remember. There weren't that many cottages...(c;
If Granny wasn't home, Florence would pickup as she could see the car wasn't parked in her garage. She knew where Granny had gone so told you where you could call her. You thanked her and hung up.
WE HAD NO DIALS!
You picked up the heavy cast iron receiver...Blanche connected the headset plug to your hole litup on the switchboard and said in a friendly voice everyone loved, "Number please!" "Blanche, my grandmother is supposed to be at Hawley's Drug Store. Please call over there, thanks." Blanche didn't know the number, just the exact position of Hawley's jack hole on the massive switchboard, so grabbing the accompanying interconnect cable she plugged it into Hawley's hold and hit the ringer button to J because Hawley's had a private line. She'd ask Richard, the owner, if my grandmother was there while I was still on the line listening, probably because she wanted her, too...(c;
"No, she left a few minutes ago. I think she went in the bank!", Richard told us. (click) "Waitaminit, Larry, let's call the bank." We got Granny at the bank on Line 3 and said what needed to be said. Blanche had another few interconnects to make, so didn't hear all we said. We didn't mind. When you were sick, all you needed to say was.....
"Blanche, my grandmother's at home and real sick. Do you know where Doctor Yarington is?" What a stupid question! Blanche knew when he went to pee! He was our DOCTOR! It was a rhetorical question...(c; Doctor Yarington came to the phone, even though he was at Steven's farm way out on Rt 38, trading doctor service for Mrs. Steven's homemade apple pie! BLUE RIBBON PIE!
I miss it, too. My "Carphone" was a Motorola 2-way on 152.24 to Toumey's Answering Service in Sumter, SC. The answering operators took all your calls and the radio blew your car horn if you failed to answer her voice call. She interconnected you to the phone system to talk to your caller....or she made the call for you. All calls were HANDS FREE! Very professional. When you called my little electronics business, they answered and the caller thought you must be as big as IBM to have such a professional staff answering your phone for you....(c;
IMTS was when it started to get un-personable, the forerunner to SELLular.
Larry
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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 04:57 GMT > Now you can't even get a dial tone until you read for 30 minutes. I was in Mexico City...... You didn't have to "Press One for Spanish" They didn't press 2 for English, either!
Larry
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The Ghost of General Lee - 03 Nov 2007 04:37 GMT >Last night >300 yards from the tower at Hardees staring through the window at >it with -65 dbm of phone signal, I got dumped 6 times in 30 >minutes while eating a hamburger. Well, there's your problem. If you eat a hamburger from Hardee's, it doesn't surprise me that you're dumping 6 times in 30 minutes.;-)
Steve Sobol - 03 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT > Her Immenseness came in the back way through the cave and "my > guy", the new guy, was passing by out of her office when I asked [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to the PORTAL....and was told to "wait here, please", again in > his most authoritative TS voice...not impressive. I wish I could remember the Bluetooth site that lists a bunch of different devices and which profiles they support.
It may be at the official industry site, bluetooth.org, but I'm not sure. If I can remember, I'll post here.
> So, I took the Samsung home and booted up for more research. I > called Alltel-1 back, got the Data Support from ONE person, gave > them my magic number so they could pull up my sad story and > account. "We don't support DUN so there's nothing I can do." > from this new guy. It must have been his quitting time, too! Or, he could have been telling the truth. :) If they don't support the DUN profile, they don't support the DUN profile.
> I'll be at Alltel, first thing in the morning, after my last > 1800alltel1 call on Skype. She said I should try the ROKR I > should have been given in the first place. It's BT 2.0 and > EVDO's latest revision so it won't crawl along like a snail.
> I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG > IN HALF..... Nah, don't do that. Samsungs are much better than Motorolas, at least in some respects. :)
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Larry - 03 Nov 2007 19:22 GMT > I wish I could remember the Bluetooth site that lists a bunch of > different devices and which profiles they support. Oh, there's MORE this morning! It's 2PM on Saturday. I was waiting at 9AM for Alltel to open up, much to their dismay.....
I entered Alltel's Local store at 9AM and informed, politely as I could, that the Samsung wasn't going to work, then, after calling Her Immenseness, we got a blessing for "ONLY ONE MORE PHONE SWAP" to the Motorola ROKR. It will cost me about $60 next month for the "Upgrade" as they took back the Samsung, gave me credit for the defective product E815 who's Bluetooth WORKED WITH MY DUN.....then washed their hands of me warning this was the last phone I was going to trade out.
The ROKR, the latest and greatest Alltel has paired very successfully with the Nokia N800. I paired from the Nokia because the ROKR ONLY HAS FACILITIES TO PAIR WITH HEADSETS/HANDSFREE! This should have been my FIRST indication of trouble. Look for yourselves....only headsets and handsfree Bluetooth.
The ROKR popped up a window saying a Nokia N800 wanted to pair and I said YES. THEN, another window popped up saying a Nokie N800 was asking for DUN internet access and did I want to accept or reject...I picked ACCEPT! THE MOTOROLA ROKR SUPPORTS AND ACCEPTS THE DUN ACCESS REQUEST OF THE NOKIA N800. (Keep this in mind...because it ain't gonna happen any more!)
Now, note that my N800 tablet DID have access through the defective E815 phone to Alltel over Bluetooth DUN....I have pages of data access on my bill to prove it to hizzoner during the court proceedings. And, note that the new Moto ROKR DOES have DUN capabilities and DID accept my request for DUN access to the internet through the ROKR's DUN profile, pairing successfully. You can see it both on the ROKR's list of paired devices and on the Nokia's BT devices pairing list. If you open the ROKR's pairing from the N800's list, it lists successful pairing via DUN, OPP and FTP. (The ROKR doesn't support SPP.)
BUT....and I want everyone you know to know this....ALLTEL HAS SHUT DOWN ALL BLUETOOTH ACCESS TO ALL ITS PHONES EXCEPT FOR HEADSETS AND HANDSFREE DEVICES.....AND WILL NOT TURN THEM BACK ON.
Alltel Data Support blamed Motorola for turning it off in response to the goddamned ringtone business. Motorola's software department, and I talked to them DIRECTLY this morning for over an hour, said this is a lie. ALLTEL turned it all off, as did all the other carriers SELLING RINGTONES....which makes lots more sense! Motorola and the other manufacturers providing DUN and other BT profiles on their equipment could give a sh.t less about ringtone sales....CARRIERS SELL RINGTONES and would do anything short of killing their mothers to prevent you from sharing what they sell! Does that make more sense to you?...(c;
SO, I WENT FROM INTERMITTENT SELLULAR INTERNET SERVICE DUE TO THE E815'S BUGGY FIRMWARE....TO NO SELLULAR INTERNET SERVICE WITH A BRAND NEW MOTOROLA ROKR FROM ALLTEL'S OWN STORE.
Internet over bluetooth has been shut down, quite successfully if I can't find a hack for it....where I'm going now....(c;
Goddamn them all....sure wish my business didn't depend on this SELLular for its phone service or I'd get off Sellular for good!
My tablet still works great on wifi....and there's more wifi everywhere. WiMax is coming....(c;
Larry
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Larry - 05 Nov 2007 02:59 GMT > I need a fine English Ale before I BREAK THIS GODDAMNED SAMSUNG > IN HALF..... Problem SOLVED! Saturday morning I returned the unusable Samsung and sprung for a new Moto ROKR Z6M, not an old phone they are dumping like these other two. Her Majesty, our manager, was off so the sales guy called her on her cell. She told him because my E815 was a lemon they'd let me buy the ROKR at the subsidized price and give me credit for the E815 off it. Price came to $150, but there's a $100 rebate so I get the ROKR for $50 after rebate.....a great deal.
ROKR paired with DUN, FTP, OPP profiles from the Nokia N800 tablet ONLY. The pairing to devices other than headsets and handsets has been REMOVED from the ROKR Bluetooth menu. It paired fine, asked me for approval to let the N800 have DUN access to the net through it...pairing successful, internet DEAD MEAT. The calls from the N800 which accessed the net from the E815 were ignored. No connection took place.
Now, here's what happened.......(c;
Today, I was fooling around with the N800's file manager, with the BT still paired and running on both units. File manager noticed the ROKR as an external drive so I clicked to look at the files on it to see if I could move files between the tablet or my laptop and the ROKR. THE ROKR CONNECTED ON FTP! I moved a few MP3 files on and off the ROKR's 2GB microSD out of my Sansa MP3 player. But, I had heard the double beep of connectivity from the phone when it connected, NOT REALIZING I HAD INTERNET CONNECTIVITY, TOO! The phone, in pairing with FTP, had automatically paired with DUN, too!.....
WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c;
Since doing this, the Nokia has been set to automatically get net access through the ROKR over BT DUN and has connected fast, every time! They've just got the ROKR ignoring that initial call! It works fine, now, and I'm one happy camper to have phone internet available, once again....
Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 04:08 GMT > WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c; I have to point out that I'd just use a data cable. ;)
*duck*
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Larry - 05 Nov 2007 14:18 GMT >> WE'RE BACK ON THE NET OVER BLUETOOTH!....(c; > > I have to point out that I'd just use a data cable. ;) > > *duck* I'd like to point out this is NOT a laptop, but an internet tablet that has connectivity over Bluetooth or wifi ONLY. Have you seen or played with one? http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800 http://www.maemo.org/
Give it a look. My Nokia tiny Bluetooth GPS receiver, tablet car mounting kit and the great Navicore software/maps should be here for it, today...(c; http://www.navicoretech.com/Corporate/en_GB/frontpage/ http://tabletblog.com/2007/06/nokia-n800-navigation-kit- review.html
http://tabletblog.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 http://www.internettablettalk.com/ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thoughtfix http://corp.orb.com/
Larry
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Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 20:12 GMT >> *duck* > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800 > http://www.maemo.org/ No. I certainly am interested, though; sounds like a cool device.
But I just bought a Nokia phone (flip phone/camera/MP3 player/FM radio). That will be the last major electronic purchase I'm going to make for a while.
Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.
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Jim Rusling - 05 Nov 2007 20:30 GMT >>> *duck* >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. Which one did you get?
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Steve Sobol - 05 Nov 2007 20:56 GMT >>Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. > > Which one did you get? T-Mobile Nokia 6133.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=897
The phone only has 11MB of built-in flash memory but it also has a Secure Digital slot (it is, after all, an MP3 player too).
And the CA-53 USB data cable is available at fire-sale prices -- eBay has it for $.01 plus $3.94 shipping and **that's a BuyItNow**.
Kinda makes the fact that Microsoft, er, Nokia, likes proprietary cables... not as painful. :) (I note that the Nokia 5300 XpressMusic my wife carries does have a standard mini-USB connector. But Nokia's pretty notorious for the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and can put whatever we damn well want to on our phones" attitude. :>)
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Jim Rusling - 05 Nov 2007 21:20 GMT >>>Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and can put whatever we damn well want >to on our phones" attitude. :>) Just thought I would check. I got a N75 a month ago and found out that you could load the Nokia Maps application and the maps on micro SD card.
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Alan Hoyle - 05 Nov 2007 22:11 GMT > Just thought I would check. I got a N75 a month ago and found out > that you could load the Nokia Maps application and the maps on micro > SD card. I'm connecting my Palm TX with a Nokia 2865i. It's only 1xRTT, but it's fast enough for me. I paired the devices with Bluetooth, and then went into the Data settings. I told it to do a data call to #777, and suddenly it started working. It would be darn near perfect if it had a camera and a memory card slot. Alltel didn't muck it up too much: still has Java, Bluetooth hasn't been crippled (OBEX, FTP, and Serial all seem to work).
I have the service that uses minutes when I'm making a data call,but it's not a big deal for me, as my 4 line family plan only uses 1/4 of the total minutes, I plan to only infrequently use the service, and I can use WiFi instead at home or work.
-alan
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Larry - 06 Nov 2007 01:54 GMT > Kinda makes the fact that Microsoft, er, Nokia, likes proprietary > cables... not as painful. :) (I note that the Nokia 5300 XpressMusic
> my wife carries does have a standard mini-USB connector. But Nokia's
> pretty notorious for the "proprietary? whatever, we're #1 and can put
> whatever we damn well want to on our phones" attitude. :>) The N800 tablet has a tiny standard DC connector. The tiny switching power supply has no markings or information on it except NOKIA on the plastic. There's no polarity or voltage/current ratings. When the battery is dead, it charges in about an hour or so and the little brick hardly gets warm.
The Motorola ROKR Z6M has a camera USB connector for power/USB connectivity. Just for fun, I plugged it into my laptop using a regular camera USB cord. It went into charging its battery off the laptop's USB port like a little pig sucking milk from a sow's tit while the laptop logged it on as an external drive so Windows Explorer could swap files with its 2GB microSD card for more songs. It's one cool slidephone....with a few glaring stupidities, as usual.
Larry
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Steve Sobol - 06 Nov 2007 04:24 GMT > The Motorola ROKR Z6M has a camera USB connector for power/USB > connectivity. All of the newer Moto phones, including my U6 PEBL, have standard USB connectors. My PEBL's charger plugs in through the USB port also.
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