I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
rollover minutes!! There are some major AT&T TDMA holes - namely in
Upstate NY. I'd like to see rollover too. Will GSM be expected to
improve??
>I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
>rollover minutes!! There are some major AT&T TDMA holes - namely in
>Upstate NY. I'd like to see rollover too. Will GSM be expected to
>improve??
If you change your present plan to a cingular plan you can probably
get rollover minutes on some plans.
Coverage could possibly improve unless the justice department makes
them sell off part of their plant.
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(SpiceBall) asked
> I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
> rollover minutes!! There are some major AT&T TDMA holes - namely in
> Upstate NY. I'd like to see rollover too. Will GSM be expected to
> improve??
And what will happen to users of prepay service like CallPlus that
uses the AT&T TDMA system? Hope they don't kick us off the air :>(
Lena
N9WOS - 17 Feb 2004 22:50 GMT
> And what will happen to users of prepay service like CallPlus that
> uses the AT&T TDMA system? Hope they don't kick us off the air :>(
The prepay system is something that I have been thinking about.
For cigular TDMA users........
Cingular basically doesn't worry about home rate area.
Anywhere you can get a cingular signal, you get home airtime rate.
So, for them, when cingular takes control of the systems,
you will be in your home area on any ATT TDMA system.
But now you will have a large coverage area on the east side of the USA,
and a large TDMA coverage area on the west side of the USA.
(That is far removed from the people on the east side of the USA.)
Will they just throw in the west coast coverage into the home air time area
for all the current TDMA prepay users.
Or will they have two different TDMA prepay home rate areas.
(ie) East and west coast prepay TDMA customers.
Or would they keep their system of east coast TDMA prepay,
and west coast GSM prepay.
Or will they finally use it as a chance to allow TDMA and GSM prepay
across their whole system?
For ATT wireless users........................
The "Free 2 go" local users
ATT uses a system that cigular abandoned a while ago.
The higher the value of card, the lower per minute rate.
There was so few people using it, that they phased it out.
And the prices are relatively the same as the
old cingular KIC one rate plan.
I don't really see cingular taking a step backward
by reconstituting that plan.
So... I think the Free 2 go users will be persuaded to
pick a more current cigular prepay plan.
And with the large cigular prepay home area,
I would say that people would accept it.
And considering that the cigular air time rates is a lot
lower for the normal value of prepay card that people buy.
The "Free 2 go" national users.........
I could see them keeping that plan, but with a fixed air time rate
that is not dependent on the value of card you bought.
Something like $0.65 cents a minute fixed rate, nationally
.
The GO phone users........
That will be a hard one
They could integrated the plans into their normal prepay system.
But.....
With the enlarged coverage area that will come with the cigular prepay
system,
they will have to figure out if those rates are profitable.
I could see them allowing the people to keep the GO phone plans,
but they would be limited to a restricted coverage area.
(The current coverage area you have now.)
Or they could force people to the normal cigular prepay plans.
(With a larger coverage area, but not as good a rate.)
Or they could come out with new cigular prepay plans that
would follow the same idea as the GO phone, but
with adjusted rates that would keep them profitable with
a larger coverage area.
Joseph - 18 Feb 2004 22:34 GMT
>The prepay system is something that I have been thinking about.
>
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>So, for them, when cingular takes control of the systems,
>you will be in your home area on any ATT TDMA system.
Right now cingular's prepaid GSM is two different systems. One on the
west coast and one on the east coast in the Carolinas. One prepaid
system will not roam on the other.
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Todd Allcock - 18 Feb 2004 04:56 GMT
> (SpiceBall) asked
> > I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
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> And what will happen to users of prepay service like CallPlus that
> uses the AT&T TDMA system? Hope they don't kick us off the air :>(
Not for the short term- any company buying another is stuck with the
contracts they've engaged in. Until the CallPlus reseller contract expires
(who knows when!) Cingular'll be "stuck" with us.
Realistically, whenever that contract expires we'd have been done for
anyway. I don't suspect AT&T would have renegotiated any expiring TDMA
reseller contracts while they were trying to phase out TDMA. In recent
years AT&T had cooled on the concept of airtime resellers. They once
thought it would be an excellent revenue stream, like with landline long
distance, but it never really generated any significant revenue. I don't
think any new ones had been contracted with in the last few years, and,
AFAIK, AT&T has been basically waiting out the expiration of the current
reseller contracts.
SA - 19 Feb 2004 08:42 GMT
> > (SpiceBall) asked
> > > I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
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> contracts they've engaged in. Until the CallPlus reseller contract expires
> (who knows when!) Cingular'll be "stuck" with us.
THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE!!! I dont know why this myth is propogated so
much in newsgroups. The acquiring company can void these contracts in
the blink of an eye since they can all be terminated by the carrier --
this is even in your terms of service -- they can cancel your a.s at any
time!!!
And in the case of Callplus there is no contract so there is nothing at
all!!!
> Realistically, whenever that contract expires we'd have been done for
> anyway. I don't suspect AT&T would have renegotiated any expiring TDMA
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> AFAIK, AT&T has been basically waiting out the expiration of the current
> reseller contracts.
Robert M. - 19 Feb 2004 12:57 GMT
It's all moot till the merger actually happens, possibly as much as 12
months from now. And then merger might not even happen:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1498&ncid=1293&e=4&u=/the
deal/20040219/bs_deal_thedeal/cingularinvestorsleftguessing
LithiaSpgs - 20 Feb 2004 01:40 GMT
>It's all moot till the merger actually happens, possibly as much as 12
>months from now. And then merger might not even happen:
What do you bet on happening first- the merger or free elections in Iraq?
John S. - 20 Feb 2004 19:28 GMT
>What do you bet on happening first- the merger or free elections in Iraq?
Interim elections this summer.
The merger has already started, you can BET on it.
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John S. - 20 Feb 2004 19:27 GMT
What will it mean to us? It is WAY too early to speculate!!! All these
questions that popped up are something that no one can answer at this time.
>It's all moot till the merger actually happens, possibly as much as 12
>months from now. And then merger might not even happen:
You can rest assured that it will happen. The press releases are all saying
that they expect the time frame to be the end of 2004. I expect that we will be
seeing changes much sooner with it complete by the end of the year.
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Todd Allcock - 21 Feb 2004 05:33 GMT
> > Not for the short term- any company buying another is stuck with the
> > contracts they've engaged in. Until the CallPlus reseller contract expires
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> this is even in your terms of service -- they can cancel your a.s at any
> time!!!
Re-read what I wrote. CALLPLUS has a contract with AT&T- not me.
AT&T (or it's "heirs and assigns" as they usually call it in the legal
biz) can't stop selling bulk minutes to it's resellers prior to the
expiry date (unless the contract allows it, which would make it pretty
stupid contract for the reseller to have signed!)
> And in the case of Callplus there is no contract so there is nothing at
> all!!!
Not between CallPlus and myself, but there is one between CallPlus and
AT&T, which Cingular will be stuck with (unless the contract
specifically allows it's termination upon a change of control.)
It's sort of like buying an apartment building- the buyer is generally
stuck with any tenant still in a lease. CallPlus, Consumer Cellular,
and whoever else is still out there in reseller land still have a
"lease" on some of AT&T's minutes.
Jim - 18 Feb 2004 19:10 GMT
Hi Lena,
I emailed eCallPlus yesterday when I heard about the merger going
through and asked them what they thought. I got this response from
them today:
"As far as we know, the Cingular buyout will not have an effect on
eCallPlus.com"
I hope they're right! But as someone else said, any changes would
probably not be seen for a while.
JIM
> And what will happen to users of prepay service like CallPlus that
> uses the AT&T TDMA system? Hope they don't kick us off the air :>(
>
> Lena
Lena - 19 Feb 2004 22:35 GMT
(Jim) wrote in message
> I emailed eCallPlus yesterday when I heard about the merger going
> through and asked them what they thought. I got this response from
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> JIM
Me, too! Just when the CallPlus rates are going down (23 cpm on a $40
card from Pharos International (excuse the plug)), I hope something
disastrous doesn't happen to the service. Thanks for asking.
Lena
Lena - 15 Jan 2005 15:32 GMT
I realize that this thread is old, but I wanted to correct any
association I have with Pharos International regarding CallPlus
airtime, in case any one finds this thread as a result of a search for
information. I had a flap with the owner of the Pharos website, and
because of a mistake on his website, purchased an airtime card that
provided less time than advertised. The owner refused to compensate me
in any way for his mistake. I feel his business practice is as shoddy
as his website, and do not want my name associated with any
recommendation for his business.
Lena
>Will GSM be expected to
>improve??
We can only hope that ALL of their systems will improve.
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>I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
>rollover minutes!! There are some major AT&T TDMA holes - namely in
>Upstate NY. I'd like to see rollover too. Will GSM be expected to
>improve??
Yes but it may also mean MORE money you have to pay and a LOSS for free
incoming text messages which ATT gives but Cingular charges for.
John S. - 20 Feb 2004 19:31 GMT
>>I have AT&T TDMA. Will Cingular merger add more areas and will it add
>>rollover minutes!! There are some major AT&T TDMA holes - namely in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Yes but it may also mean MORE money you have to pay and a LOSS for free
>incoming text messages which ATT gives but Cingular charges for.
You know, there are no answers for any of these questions just yet. Speculating
on the answer to something like above is a waste of bandwidth.
Only one thing is positive at this point, there will be changes to offerings.
Nothing more can really be said until we see what transpires.
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