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Cingular-AT&TWS combined Cellular map posted
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Andrew Shepherd - 19 Feb 2004 22:19 GMT I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were to be finalized today. Combined Cingular-AT&TWS PCS (1900 MHz) spectrum is not reflected at the moment, though that may become a future project.
Please take a look if you are interested in viewing how the Cellular spectrum assets of the merged company will interlock & overlap, conform & conflict. Thanks...
http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/main.html
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http:/www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Robert M. - 19 Feb 2004 22:45 GMT > I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular > (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/main.html This makes the unwarranted assumption that no divestitures (like Dallas or Miami) will be required.
Andrew Shepherd - 20 Feb 2004 04:28 GMT > > I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular > > (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This makes the unwarranted assumption that no divestitures (like Dallas > or Miami) will be required. No unwarranted assumptions were made whatsoever. You might want to double-check the asterisked statement underneath the map legend. For convenience sake, I will reproduce it here:
"*Conditional to FCC &/or DoJ regulatory approval of merger. Cellular Market Areas (or Cellular Geographic Service Areas) in which coincident A-side & B-side Cellular licenses both controlled by the merged entity may require divestment of one of the overlapping licenses."
That being said, there is no guarantee that the FCC &/or DoJ will require, as a regulatory condition of merger approval, that Cingular-AT&TWS sell off any or all of the nearly 20 overlapping Cellular licenses. The 45/55 MHz CMRS spectrum cap, which precipitated numerous Cellular/PCS license divestments in the creations of VZW or Cingular during 1999-2000, sunset completely over a year ago. Cingular-AT&TWS could successfully argue that required divestiture would be an unfair regulatory burden on Cellular (800/850 MHz) licensees, as any two PCS (1900 MHz) licensees, even the 30 MHz PCS A & PCS B 30 licensees, would be free to merge in a given market w/o dispossession of any CMRS spectrum. Why should 60 MHz or more of accumulated PCS spectrum be permissible but not 50 MHz of aggregated Cellular spectrum?
However, I do believe that Cingular-AT&TWS merger approval will necessitate divestiture of certain spectrum assets, including one of the two licenses in each of the coincident CGSAs. Consumer advocacy groups, like the Consumers Union, will lobby for the preservation of as much wireless competition as possible. In the case of the affected overlapping Cellular licenses, one condition might be that no loss of competition in said markets would be allowed, thus it would be impermissible for Cingular-AT&TWS to divest any to existing PCS licensees in any of the markets, thereby forcing the sale of the licenses to new entrants into the markets. (If such were to come to pass, the big winners would be carriers like ALLTEL, USCC, & WWCA; VZW would be shut out of the Cellular licenses it would surely covet in Florida & Texas.) Cingular-AT&TWS might even have the shed some PCS spectrum here & there in order to facilitate new competition to replace the loss of AT&TWS.
And, finally, unlike the CMRS spectrum cap, the AMPS requirement has not yet sunset. As AMPS remains the regulated air-interface for Cellular, as well as the lowest common denominator for wireless emergency, I feel that the FCC would be quite loathe to allow any lone entity to control all AMPS capability in any given market.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Terry Knab - 20 Feb 2004 09:31 GMT > That being said, there is no guarantee that the FCC &/or DoJ will > require, as a regulatory condition of merger approval, that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > spectrum here & there in order to facilitate new competition to > replace the loss of AT&TWS. Actually VZW wouldn't be shut out of those Florida licenses. Bear in mind on the maps that have been shown, ATTWS and Cingular do compete in Los Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, and quite a few other places one on the PCS band, the other on the Cellular band (in CA for example, ATTWS is the 'A' Carrier cellular and Cingular is on PCS. Under current rules, VZW can own both PCS and cellular licenses in a market)
One other likely senario would be for Cingular to divest overlap to T-Mobile (like in Kansas City and Southern Missouri). (T-Mobile and Cingular currently have a network sharing arrangement in LA and NYC, IIRC. Cingular's purchase of ATTWS means they could rather easily convert their customers to the ATTWS network and sell the bandwidth to TMO very quickly)
Andrew Shepherd - 21 Feb 2004 04:57 GMT > Actually VZW wouldn't be shut out of those Florida licenses. Bear in mind > on the maps that have been shown, ATTWS and Cingular do compete in Los > Angeles, Chicago, Kansas City, and quite a few other places one on the PCS > band, the other on the Cellular band (in CA for example, ATTWS is the 'A' > Carrier cellular and Cingular is on PCS. Under current rules, VZW can own > both PCS and cellular licenses in a market) You are absolutely correct that no regulation prohibits VZW or any other licensee from controlling both a Cellular license & PCS license(s) in any given market. No such prohibition has ever existed, only the now defunct 45/55 MHz (urban/rural) CMRS spectrum cap effectively limited the amount of Cellular, PCS, & SMR spectrum that any one licensee could aggregate in a given area.
When in the process of the BAM-AirTouch-GTE merger, several of the PrimeCo PCS licenses were divested, as such would have placed VZW at 55 MHz (25 MHz Cellular + 30 MHz PCS) in several MSAs, over the spectrum cap at the time, VZW typically disaggregated 10 MHz to keep for itself from the PrimeCo PCS licenses before selling the remaining 20 MHz to AT&TWS, nTelos, or the independent PrimeCo in Chicago, respectively.
In the later PCS auctions, AT&TWS (or its affiliates) acquired at least 10 MHz of overlapping PCS spectrum in each of its Cellular markets, which allowed AT&TWS to overlay GSM/GPRS/EDGE 1900 across all of its markets, both Cellular/PCS & solely PCS, w/o touching its IS-136 TDMA/AMPS 800 spectrum.
So, to reiterate, you are entirely in the right that licensees can and do possess both Cellular & PCS licenses in overlapping markets. But conditional approval of the Cingular-AT&TWS merger will likely go above & beyond the minimum regulations facing CMRS licensees. Anti-trust will play an even larger role.
As agreed upon by most, the overlapping Cellular licenses of Cingular-AT&TWS will almost certainly prove problematic, thus requiring divestment. PCS overlap or Cellular/PCS overlap for Cingular-AT&TWS is far more of a question mark, possibly prompting no regulatory fallout whatsoever. On the latter point, monopolistic competition more than any spectrum concerns will dictate whether or not Cingular-AT&TWS will be required to shed any spectrum, networks, &/or customers in coincident markets.
Therefore, my point in hypothesizing that VZW could be prevented from attempting to acquire the divested Cellular licenses is that the FCC very likely could mandate as condition of approval of the merger that Cingular-AT&TWS sell the affected licenses only to new entrants into the markets, thereby in those markets preserving the current level of competition w/ Cingular & AT&TWS as separate competing entities.
> One other likely senario would be for Cingular to divest overlap to T-Mobile > (like in Kansas City and Southern Missouri). (T-Mobile and Cingular > currently have a network sharing arrangement in LA and NYC, IIRC. > Cingular's purchase of ATTWS means they could rather easily convert their > customers to the ATTWS network and sell the bandwidth to TMO very quickly) In a nutshell, the network-sharing agreement in NYC & California gave Cingular 10 MHz of T-Mobile's PCS spectrum in NYC and conversely gave T-Mobile 10 MHz of Cingular's PCS spectrum in California. Though the disaggregated blocks of spectrum in each locale are technically now separate PCS licenses, for all intents & purposes the licenses were never disaggregated, as the two companies pooled the spectrum together as part of their infrastructure-sharing arrangement.
In NYC, AT&TWS controls 35 MHz of total CMRS spectrum (Cellular A-side 25 MHz + PCS E 10 MHz). Cingular possesses only the PCS A3 10 MHz, a disagg from T-Mobile's PCS A 30 MHz license.
In California, of which we are really only discussing LA & the Bay Area, AT&TWS controls 35 MHz total CMRS spectrum (Cellular A-side 25 MHz + PCS D 10 MHz) in LA and 45 MHz total CMRS spectrum (Cellular A-side 25 MHz + PCS D 10 MHz + PCS A5 10 MHz - the last a disagg from Sprint PCS) in the Bay Area. Cingular has the upper 20 MHz of the PCS B 20 MHz license (the PCS B 30 MHz minus the 10 MHz disagg to T-Mobile) in both LA & the Bay Area.
Cingular, being the former PacBell, the RBOC in California, has a lot of wireless customers in that state. All of those Cingular subs are GSM 1900, none IS-136 TDMA 800, which renders the AT&TWS 25 MHz Cellular licenses irrelevant for the time being, such that all would have to crowd into the 10 MHz or 20 MHz of GSM/GPRS/EDGE 1900 bandwidth that AT&TWS possesses. Even in NYC, where Cingular is a relatively new entrant to the market, hence has fewer subs, all again are GSM 1900 users, while AT&TWS once again controls only 10 MHz of GSM/GPRS/EDGE 1900 spectrum. By your scenario, in NYC or California, it is quite unlikely that AT&TWS w/ its current spectrum holdings could readily absorb all of Cingular's subs.
The following is my potential theory regarding T-Mobile. Again an excerpt from my personal correspondence:
-----Original Message----- From: Shepherd, Andrew J Sent: Wed 2/18/2004 01:11 To: (removed) Cc: Subject: (removed)
"And, here is an interesting potentiality: Cingular-AT&TWS could presumably opt out of its network-sharing arrangement w/ T-Mobile in NYC & California. AT&TWS brings at least 35 MHz if not 45 MHz of combined Cellular/PCS spectrum to the table in each of NYC, LA, & SF. In but a New York minute, Cingular-AT&TWS suddenly gains the upper hand on T-Mobile in NYC. The disaggregated 10 MHz blocks of PCS spectrum that Cingular transferred to T-Mobile in California and T-Mobile in turn traded to Cingular in NYC, respectively, are permanent swaps. But Cingular-AT&TWS will no longer need the T-Mobile infrastructure in NYC. T-Mobile will lose all leverage in California, hence Cingular-AT&TWS could tell T-Mobile to get lost and go build its own California network."
On that last point, T-Mobile, which is truly the odd man out now, needs to find a merger partner ASAP. The problem is that either Cingular or AT&TWS were far & away the two most obvious candidates, leaving T-Mobile the redundant third wheel, like the wallflower w/o a dance partner. Nextel needs a way out of the iDEN deadend, while its interleaved SMR 800 spectrum is far better suited to GSM than to CDMA, such that Nextel & T-Mobile could be the next pair down the aisle.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Terry Knab - 21 Feb 2004 10:07 GMT > Therefore, my point in hypothesizing that VZW could be prevented from > attempting to acquire the divested Cellular licenses is that the FCC > very likely could mandate as condition of approval of the merger that > Cingular-AT&TWS sell the affected licenses only to new entrants into > the markets, thereby in those markets preserving the current level of > competition w/ Cingular & AT&TWS as separate competing entities. Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones that would have to be migrated one way or another to GSM or CDMA. I doubt ALLTEL, WW, or USCC has that kind of cash to do a full scale conversion.
I believe WW actually *sold* a couple of markets to ATT not too long ago.
To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and of itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big regionals who can buy the overlapping licenses, simply because ALLTEL is already there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too far east for their liking.
There's also a lesson in the economics of scale. Don't think for a second VZW will not try to buy as much as they can. The only way they can grow is to buy as much they can from a competitor. A smaller regional carrier (I'd consider ALLTEL to have the upper hand in this one) can't really compete because they can't afford to offer the coverage or the rate plans that people would expect. (Imagine if you will a customer in Florida on ATTWS now who might get sold to Brand X cellular and had a One Rate plan or some national roaming plan. They're SOL if that carrier is small enough not to have comparable rate plans and/or phones)
USCC may be a condtender for the Florida properties, because they're already selling service out there as it is in one county that Cingular doesn't have.
I also suspect VZ may have the best financial shot at it as well.
XFF - 21 Feb 2004 21:01 GMT > Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult > especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones that > would have to be migrated one way or another to GSM or CDMA. I doubt > ALLTEL, WW, or USCC has that kind of cash to do a full scale conversion. They've all done it in many other markets. USCC is still in the process of converting a lot of their own markets from TDMA to CDMA. WWCA is currently overlaying GSM in many of their TDMA/CDMA markets.
> I believe WW actually *sold* a couple of markets to ATT not too long ago. No. You're probably thinking about USCC which sold 10 markets in FL/GA to ATTWS last year or RCC which is in the process of selling OR-4 to ATTWS.
> To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and of > itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big regionals > who can buy the overlapping licenses, simply because ALLTEL is already > there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too far > east for their liking. Actually ALLTEL does not have any of the overlapping licenses in question and would be a perfect fit for them. IMHO, there's a greater than 50% chance that ALLTEL will end up with the overlapping markets in FL.
> There's also a lesson in the economics of scale. Don't think for a second > VZW will not try to buy as much as they can. The only way they can grow is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > USCC may be a condtender for the Florida properties, because they're already > selling service out there as it is in one county that Cingular doesn't have. USCC just sold 90% of their FL markets to ATTWS. They self-admittedly want to focus on building out their network in the central United States and de-emphasize their holdings in other regions.
Andrew Shepherd - 22 Feb 2004 02:41 GMT > > To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and of > > itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big regionals [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than 50% chance that ALLTEL will end up with the overlapping markets in > FL. ALLTEL does have a 10 MHz PCS E system in Jacksonville, which could run afoul of my suggestion that only new entrants to the markets might be allowed to vie for the divested Cingular-AT&TWS Cellular licenses. Other than that, the BellSouth Mobility B-side licenses in Florida would be an incredibly harmonious match for ALLTEL, allowing it to usurp even the McCaw stronghold legacy of AT&TWS as the most ubiquitous wireless carrier throughout Florida.
If Michael Powell has any sense, both commercial & political, if he would stop listening to special interests and get out of big business' pocket for a minute, then the FCC will not allow VZW & Cingular-AT&TWS to rule the world.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Andrew Shepherd - 22 Feb 2004 09:01 GMT > Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult > especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too far > east for their liking. I think you sorely underestimate ALLTEL in particular. I may yet again be going out on a limb, but I even hypothesize that ALLTEL, if able to secure sufficient financial backing, might at some point attempt a preemptive bid for Sprint, as acquisition of Sprint's FON & PCS Groups would vault ALLTEL into the telecom big time.
Regardless, ALLTEL is a veteran of numerous conversions & overlays. True, the BAM & GTE detritus markets from the VZW merger (Albuquerque, Cleveland, El Paso, Mobile, Phoenix, & Tampa) were already CDMA. But ALLTEL overlaid New Orleans' SBC Radiofone directly from AMPS to CDMA, as the SBC acquisition did not even have opportunity to go IS-136 TDMA before the Cingular partnership made the New Orleans A-side license redundant. And ALLTEL has overlaid essentially an entire state, Kansas, w/ CDMA, converting its acquired Kansas Cellular system to CDMA/TDMA/AMPS.
And you also overestimate the difficulty & cost of air-interface conversion, particularly when transitioning from IS-136 TDMA to IS-95/IS-2000 CDMA or vice versa. Unlike GSM, both TDMA & CDMA share the IS-41 MAP, the underlying network protocol on top of which the air-interface resides. Regardless of whether or not the spurned licenses & networks of Cingular-AT&TWS are from specifically Cingular or AT&TWS, along w/ potentially GSM/GPRS 850 infrastructure in the case of Cingular, each would definitely include TDMA/AMPS 800 systems based upon the IS-41 MAP. So, while the air-interface infrastructure would have to be replaced, should any of the three aforementioned CDMA carriers acquire the divested networks, the IS-41 network infrastructure could be salvaged to a great degree.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Terry Knab - 22 Feb 2004 09:22 GMT > > Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult > > especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones that [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > attempt a preemptive bid for Sprint, as acquisition of Sprint's FON & > PCS Groups would vault ALLTEL into the telecom big time. That's the big question if they can get the capital to do it. As it stands now, they need Verizon more than Verizon needs them for a roaming partner.
> Regardless, ALLTEL is a veteran of numerous conversions & overlays. > True, the BAM & GTE detritus markets from the VZW merger (Albuquerque, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kansas, w/ CDMA, converting its acquired Kansas Cellular system to > CDMA/TDMA/AMPS. But that still costs money. ALLTEL to me at least doesn't know what they're doing. I've tried them in a couple of markets and they left a lot service and customer service wise.
And in what time frame? ALLTEL does things on the cheap. Its not a big secret that half their switches were never upgraded from whomever they bought out.
There was also a difference in the VZ acquisitions, those didn't cost them much, they just swapped markets.
(And if ALLTEL makes a run for Sprint, I make a run for T-Mobile or Nextel, I refuse to buy anything from ALLTEL)
> And you also overestimate the difficulty & cost of air-interface > conversion, particularly when transitioning from IS-136 TDMA to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > carriers acquire the divested networks, the IS-41 network > infrastructure could be salvaged to a great degree. Point well taken. /
John S. - 20 Feb 2004 19:43 GMT >Andrew Andrew, another neat map that I didn't see (might just have missed it) is a combined 800/1900 map of the two compannies.
There are places that AT&T has 1900 spectrum where they do not have 800 spectrum.
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Andrew Shepherd - 21 Feb 2004 05:16 GMT > >Andrew > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There are places that AT&T has 1900 spectrum where they do not have 800 > spectrum. John...
Your eyes did not deceive you.
I really would love to document AT&TWS' &/or Cingular's PCS holdings, just as I have already done for Sprint PCS & VZW, w/ my ALLTEL PCS map soon-to-be published this weekend. Thus, I am certainly considering undertaking both AT&TWS & Cingular PCS spectrum maps. Unfortunately, due to the inordinate number of PCS licenses - at least six per market compared to typically only two for Cellular - such a task would require probably a week's worth of effort scouring the FCC's ULS database. The GSM Corridor transfers, disaggregations, & partitions between or from the parent companies to the Roadrunner subsidiaries only further complicate the matter, though I suppose such distinctions between AT&T Wireless Roadrunner License Sub & Roadrunner Cingular License Sub will soon be largely academic.
Anyway, it is indeed my goal to author licensed PCS (1900 MHz) maps for both AT&TWS & Cingular to complement the combined Cingular-AT&TWS Cellular (800/850 MHz) map for a completely detailed spectral portrait of the merged carrier. The only question is whether or not I can spare the time.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Andrew Shepherd - 20 Feb 2004 04:43 GMT > This makes the unwarranted assumption that no divestitures (like Dallas > or Miami) will be required. Additionally, excerpted from my writings in private correspondence:
-----Original Message----- From: Shepherd, Andrew J Sent: Tue 2/17/2004 13:51 To: (removed) Cc: Subject: (removed)
"So, let us now begin discussion of the fallout & ramifications of a combined Cingular-AT&TWS. AT&TWS & Cingular are the coincident incumbent A-side & B-side Cellular licensees, respectively, in seven major markets: Austin, Dallas, Jacksonville, Miami, Oklahoma City, Orlando, & San Antonio. Though the CMRS spectrum cap has sunset, AMPS concerns are still valid, such that presumably the FCC &/or JD will still not allow Cingular-AT&TWS to control both Cellular licenses in a given market. Look for Cingular-AT&TWS to retain the contiguity of the SBC Mobile Systems B-side CMAs in its Texas home market, divesting the AT&TWS A-side licenses, while keeping the AT&TWS nee McCaw A-side strongholds in Florida & Oklahoma intact, selling the BellSouth Mobility & SBC Mobile Systems CMAs, respectively. The other pertinent question than is: which carrier(s) will be the beneficiaries of the soon-to-be available Cellular licenses in Dallas, Jacksonville, & Miami? You know that VZW has to strongly covet those 800/850 MHz licenses, as VZW is legacy PrimeCo 1900 MHz in six of the markets w/ currently no Cellular or PCS spectrum whatsoever in Oklahoma City. ALLTEL could greatly strengthen its position in both Florida & Texas, but might it just defer to VZW? Even more intriguing, could one of the smaller regional/rural carriers make a run at the licenses? WWCA has no experience in any major markets yet would be a natural to acquire the AT&TWS Dallas region A-side CMAs. USCC does already have major market experience in Des Moines, Milwaukee, & Tulsa and could greatly expand its territorial reach in Oklahoma & northern Texas w/ the divested Cingular-AT&TWS CMAs."
-----Original Message----- From: Shepherd, Andrew J Sent: Wed 2/18/2004 01:11 To: (removed) Cc: Subject: (removed)
"Regarding the almost certain divestiture of all overlapping Cellular licenses for the combined Cingular-AT&TWS, I had an additional thought on the matter. Might the FCC &/or DoJ require no loss of competition in said markets? In other words, Cingular-AT&TWS would be required to divest the affected license to a new carrier entering the market, thus replacing AT&TWS and retaining the same number of competitors. I believe confidently that such could ostensibly be a regulatory condition of the merger. Therefore, if VZW already has a PCS license, as it does in all of the seven affected majors (other than Oklahoma City) that I previously mentioned, as much as I think VZW would love to augment the PCS system(s) w/ 800 MHz spectrum, it would be completely ineligible to acquire the divested Cellular license(s). If my theory does prove true, any competition for the spun off CMAs (other than OKC which I think VZW will want badly) will be limited to the smaller CDMA carriers in a three-horse race: ALLTEL, USCC, or WWCA."
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Terry Knab - 20 Feb 2004 09:34 GMT "Andrew Shepherd" <cinema@ku.edu> wrote in message
> "Regarding the almost certain divestiture of all overlapping Cellular > licenses for the combined Cingular-AT&TWS, I had an additional thought [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the smaller CDMA carriers in a three-horse race: ALLTEL, USCC, or > WWCA." Actually VZW already has PCS and Cellular licenses in Kansas City. They bought the PCS licenses from ALLTEL in '01 I think. I believe as well, ATT did own both some 1900 and 850 licenses in some markets as well.
dirty rat 753 - 20 Feb 2004 03:42 GMT Interesting. thanks. If you were to add extended coverage areas, that would be an interesting map. I traveled across the US and back noticing I nearly continuous ATTWS Network coverage, and Verizon America's Choice. Coverage was so good, I did not activate my ATTWS Digital One Rate digital phone for the trip.
> I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular > (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were WAW - 20 Feb 2004 17:15 GMT There's a map that includes all AWE and Cingular coverage available from SBC's Investor relations site. It's in a large PDF located at http://www.sbc.com/Investor/Financial/Earning_Info/docs/slide_c.pdf. Check out page 9.
> Interesting. thanks. If you were to add extended coverage areas, that > would be an interesting map. I traveled across the US and back noticing I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular > > (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were dirty rat 753 - 21 Feb 2004 01:20 GMT Great coverage map. Thanks.
> There's a map that includes all AWE and Cingular coverage available > from SBC's Investor relations site. It's in a large PDF located at > http://www.sbc.com/Investor/Financial/Earning_Info/docs/slide_c.pdf. > Check out page 9. XFF - 21 Feb 2004 21:05 GMT > Great coverage map. Thanks. > > > There's a map that includes all AWE and Cingular coverage available > > from SBC's Investor relations site. It's in a large PDF located at > > http://www.sbc.com/Investor/Financial/Earning_Info/docs/slide_c.pdf. > > Check out page 9. That's a license area map, not a coverage map. There are vast areas on that map that have no Cingular/ATTWS coverage. Also, that map does not differentiate between cellular and PCS licenses. Many PCS licenses are very sparsely built out to this date.
John S. - 21 Feb 2004 22:56 GMT >Also, that map does not >differentiate between cellular and PCS licenses. Many PCS licenses are >very sparsely built out to this date. Yes it does - the map has NO PCS coverage indications. So, all you are seeing is Cellular (800) lisences.
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Stephen R. Conrad - 21 Feb 2004 13:26 GMT Am I misunderstanding the map? Do the white areas represent no coverage? Thus, no cingular or att in the Cleveland, OH market. This is clearly not the case.
> I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular > (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > cinema@sprintpcs.com > http:/www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ Andrew Shepherd - 21 Feb 2004 19:27 GMT > Am I misunderstanding the map? > Do the white areas represent no coverage? Thus, no cingular or att in the > Cleveland, OH market. This is clearly not the case. Please re-read the first paragraph of my post. Here it is once more:
"I have updated my site w/ a map depicting the conglomerated Cellular (800/850 MHz) license holdings of Cingular-AT&TWS, if the merger were to be finalized today. Combined Cingular-AT&TWS PCS (1900 MHz) spectrum is not reflected at the moment, though that may become a future project."
I tried to spell it out as clearly as possible so there would be no confusion. W/ a lowercase "c," cellular is often used as a generic term to refer to the cellular or spatial re-use of all wireless telephony regardless of spectrum. But Cellular w/ a capital "C" is 800/850 MHz. And PCS is 1900 MHz.
Neither Cingular nor AT&TWS nor Cingular-AT&TWS combined have even one Cellular license in Cleveland. Both Cingular & AT&TWS are PCS licensees and have 1900 MHz IS-136 TDMA/GSM/GPRS/EDGE (the last only AT&TWS) networks in Cleveland. Cingular possesses from its Ameritech legacy the PCS A 30 MHz license. And AT&TWS has the remaining upper 20 MHz of the PCS B 30 MHz license, the lower 10 MHz, the PCS B3, of the license having been partitioned & disaggregated to Sprint PCS.
Lastly, my Cellular license map is not a coverage map per se but just what the title indicates - a license map. A Cellular or PCS license defines the geography of where a licensee is *permitted* to construct coverage but not necessarily where a licensee *will* construct coverage. Particularly in the case of PCS licenses, for which the construction requirement(s) is defined by population, not by area, the wireless footprint of the constructed system may cover a large percentage of the contained population but only a small percentage of the licensed area.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
tom glaab - 21 Feb 2004 20:14 GMT > Do the white areas represent no coverage? Thus, no cingular or att in the > Cleveland, OH market. This is clearly not the case. The maps only show cellular (800/850MHz) coverage. PCS (1900MHz) coverage is NOT shown.
tg.
XFF - 23 Feb 2004 00:44 GMT > > Do the white areas represent no coverage? Thus, no cingular or att in the > > Cleveland, OH market. This is clearly not the case. > > The maps only show cellular (800/850MHz) coverage. PCS (1900MHz) > coverage is NOT shown. They don't show any coverage. They show the licensed cellular footprint of the two companies. Not all the licensed areas necessarily provide service (coverage).
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