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AT&T Confirms they'll be back in Wireless
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Bill Radio - 06 Apr 2004 06:39 GMT Let the guessing begin. Sprint, T-Mobile or Nextel?
http://money.excite.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?news_id=reu-n05478430&feed=reu&date=2 0040405
AT&T plans return to wireless business Monday April 5, 4:34 PM EDT
By Justin Hyde WASHINGTON, April 5 (Reuters) - Less than two months after the sale of AT&T Wireless to Cingular was announced, AT&T Corp. (T) is already looking for a partner to help it get back into the wireless business.
The largest U.S. long-distance company has recently said it will quickly re-establish its brand in the growing market for wireless phones once the Cingular deal is complete, by reselling the service of another wireless company, as Virgin Mobile does with Sprint Corp. (FON).
The question being raised in the industry is whether AT&T will look to a rival such as Sprint, which could offer the widest coverage and a variety of services, or avoid a direct competitor in favor of a smaller player, such as Nextel Communications Inc. (NXTL).
AT&T, which was dropped from the Dow Jones Industrials Index last week, spun off AT&T Wireless in 2000 to cut its $65 billion debt after a failed attempt in the late 1990s to form a one-stop shop for telephone, data, wireless, and entertainment services.
But with wireless subscribers poised to grow beyond 160 million this year, surpassing the number of land-line users for the first time, large telecom companies see wireless services as an essential part of their business.
AT&T Chairman and Chief Executive David Dorman made it clear at a Gartner Group conference last week that regardless of which company it chooses as a partner, AT&T will not waste any time out of the wireless game.
"Upon closing approval of the Cingular acquisition of AT&T Wireless we'll get the brand back, and we'll be back in wireless probably the next day," Dorman said.
The Cingular deal not expected to close for several months.
"There are 22 million people using AT&T Wireless today. What's your bet on how many of those are brand loyal to AT&T?" Dorman said.
TO COMPETE OR NOT TO COMPETE
Among wireless companies, Sprint has been the most aggressive about jumping into the wholesale business, with Virgin Mobile and Qwest (Q) as its major resale customers so far.
Analyst Jeffrey Kagan said that given Sprint's moves as a wholesaler, its nationwide network and the variety of services it could offer, it was the most likely partner for AT&T.
"This industry is splitting into a wholesale and retail business," Kagan said. "At the same time, you're an archrival with a company, that company is a supplier or customer with you on another initiative."
But others say AT&T will be loath to offer any support to a direct competitor, especially when both companies would likely target the same customers with bundles of local, long-distance and wireless phone service.
That leaves Nextel and Deutsche Telekom's (DTEGn) T-Mobile as the two alternatives. Standard & Poor's equity analyst Kenneth Leon says AT&T is more likely to choose Nextel because the two have a similar focus on business customers, a market Dorman highlighted in his talk.
"Nextel has a brand that is well suited for high-end users and business customers, which might fit into AT&T well," Leon said.
Nextel did not immediately respond to a call for comment.
Jane Zweig, chief executive of The Shosteck Group, a Washington-based wireless consulting firm, said AT&T was one of several companies mulling ways to jump-start a wireless business by reselling services, which could create confusion among consumers.
"In the public's mind, it may look as though there's consolidation" in the wireless industry, Zweig said. "The reality is there's going to be a proliferation of brands."
Bill Radio Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at: http://www.mountainwireless.com
RexYBlue - 06 Apr 2004 15:30 GMT What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any speculations?
>Let the guessing begin. Sprint, T-Mobile or Nextel? > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at: >http://www.mountainwireless.com ---------------------------- To email me, remove the zz.
Robert M. - 06 Apr 2004 15:48 GMT > What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with > ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any > speculations? The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate division for a while, but unlikely.
Mike - 06 Apr 2004 16:18 GMT >> What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with >> ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any >> speculations? > >The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate >division for a while, but unlikely. Phillipe, are you that stupid naturally, or do you work hard to be that stupid?
The article BillRadio posted clearly stated that AT&T wants to "be in" the wireless business as a MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator), a la Virgin Mobile, which resells the Sprint network.
The OP's question is valid...but I'd assume the current ATTWS accounts will be migrated to Cingular as part of the deal. AT&T would likely have to "start from scratch" as an MVNO, but they would not have to erect new towers...
Mike
Robert M. - 06 Apr 2004 16:47 GMT > >> What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with > >> ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > have to "start from scratch" as an MVNO, but they would not have to > erect new towers... Where did I say otherwise, ort yoiu just looking for a reason to insult someone, so you do it reason or not. How childish
John S. - 07 Apr 2004 00:43 GMT >The OP's question is valid...but I'd assume the current ATTWS accounts >will be migrated to Cingular as part of the deal. AT&T would likely >have to "start from scratch" as an MVNO, but they would not have to >erect new towers... Actually the OP's original question was a bit tenuous as he said that he had a new 2 year contract with AT&T. He did not say AT&T Wireless Service. Because of the rest of his question, we all assumed that he meant AT&T WS.
Because he probably meant AT&T WS he WILL become a Cingular customer. No stupidity involved in that conclusion.
Now to turn your question back on yourself - "are you that stupid naturally, or do you work hard to be that stupid?" Keep in mind that AT&T WS and AT&T (the long distance company) are 2 completly different companies. If AT&T wants to be in the wireless business and AT&T wants to re-sell someone, it could be anyone.
Since AT&T WS has been using the AT&T name (leased, by the way) AT&T may well want to have their name associated with wireless, much like MCI wanted to have their name associated with wireless. It could be that the MCI and AT&T situation will turn out similarly.
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
John S. - 07 Apr 2004 00:37 GMT >The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate >division for a while, but unlikely. I suspect unlikely as well since the lease on the name and logo are up about this time too. AT&T WS leased the name (AT&T) and the logo (blue gloge) from AT&T for (I think) 5 years when they were spun off.
It only makes sense that Cingular would want to use their name and logo and eliminate all connection with the negative reports etc....... of AT&T WS.
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Andrew Shepherd - 08 Apr 2004 04:20 GMT > >The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate > >division for a while, but unlikely. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It only makes sense that Cingular would want to use their name and logo and > eliminate all connection with the negative reports etc....... of AT&T WS. Cingular the more reputable name than AT&TWS?!
The new kid on the block w/ the silly manufactured name has a better reputation than the one that is perceived to be the most solid & established company in the industry?!
Would Pepsi buy Coca-Cola and dump the name?!
Surely you jest...
If not for the expiry of the lease on the AT&T moniker - and speculation was that the mLife campaign was being positioned as a potential name replacement should the merger not have developed - I would retain the AT&TWS moniker for Cingular-AT&TWS.
AT&TWS has long developed a high-standing particularly among business & professional users, a lucrative demographic. To me, the pertinent question is: will those users stay or churn once the more consumer-focused Cingular takes over?
Compared to Cingular, AT&TWS is still - by a considerable margin - the more strongly-positioned wireless entity. The smaller fish, buttressed by its wealthy Baby Bell parents, is swallowing the bigger fish in this case.
Admittedly, recent history was not kind to AT&TWS. But look back a couple of years and it was Cingular who was in the wireless doghouse. It was Cingular about whom the negative reports were running rampant. But I suppose it is even more true that the public recollection has a lifespan of about 15 minutes...
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
Kev - 08 Apr 2004 05:00 GMT First of all Verizon Wireless has been and still is the "Largest, most reliable network". Secondly, both ATT and Cingular have been dogged with having weak coverage, old school phones (they carried the nokia 5100ish series phones till what, a year ago?), and customer service with ATT is below even Sprint PCS. The business customers are leaving ATT in droves because of number portability. Because now they don't have to worry about losing business by changing their phone number and going to a carrier that works more reliably. When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter who is "growing", who is "building", or what name they may be leasing. Having a phone that makes and recieves calls is priority 1 for businesses....that's something that no GSM service can deliver on like SprintPCS and Verizon Wireless...and that is a proven fact. CDMA coverage in the US is much more reliable than gsm. Why would a company wait for a service to improve, when your neighborhood electronics store offers an immediate improvement in your choice of carriers for 5 bucks more?
> > >The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate > > >division for a while, but unlikely. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > cinema@sprintpcs.com > http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ Jim Gilliland - 08 Apr 2004 12:50 GMT > Having a phone that makes and > recieves calls is priority 1 for businesses....that's something that no GSM > service can deliver on like SprintPCS and Verizon Wireless...and that is a > proven fact. Yikes! I dumped SprintPCS here and switched to ATTWS precisely because Sprint couldn't make and receive calls reliably. ATTWS GSM has been far superior to Sprint - there's really no comparison. Sprint CDMA, at least here in Northeastern Ohio, is the worst carrier on the market.
Joseph - 08 Apr 2004 14:26 GMT >> Having a phone that makes and >> recieves calls is priority 1 for businesses....that's something that no GSM [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >superior to Sprint - there's really no comparison. Sprint CDMA, at >least here in Northeastern Ohio, is the worst carrier on the market. This is exactly why it's foolish to say "A is great because they work for me and B is bad because they don't work for me." Anything that works with radio waves will have the variability that one service may work better for someone than another. Use whatever works for *you!*
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ben skversky - 09 Apr 2004 01:20 GMT Sprint PCS can deliver??? Deliver what, pizza? Get real, Sprint service sucks. Kev, you have no credibility after that inane post.
> First of all Verizon Wireless has been and still is the "Largest, most > reliable network". Secondly, both ATT and Cingular have been dogged with [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > cinema@sprintpcs.com > > http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ Scott Stephenson - 07 Apr 2004 01:58 GMT > > What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with > > ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any > > speculations? > > The ATTWS name will go away. Cingular could keep it as a separate > division for a while, but unlikely. AT&T owns the name- AT&T Wireless is paying to use it.
ben skversky - 06 Apr 2004 18:30 GMT I would think you will be with Cingular. They are buying the block of business from ATTWS.
> What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with > ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > ---------------------------- > To email me, remove the zz. John S. - 07 Apr 2004 00:46 GMT >I would think you will be with Cingular. They are buying the block of >business from ATTWS. No, they are buying the business called AT&T WS - no block involved there at all. But an actual seperate company from AT&T (Long Distance).
He WILL be with Cingular like the rest of us!
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
John S. - 07 Apr 2004 00:34 GMT >What I'm trying to guess is this: under my new 2-year agreement with >ATT will I have to stay with the new ATTWS or go to Cingular. Any >speculations? No speculation needed. You are an AT&T WS customer and you WILL become a Cingular customer.
AT&T WS and AT&T Long Distance are two completly seperate companies and if AT&T Long Distance decides to re-sell someone using the AT&T name, it will be WHOMEVER and have nothing to do with the AT&T WS/Cingular company - unless of course they decide to resell Cingular nationwide.
-- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Carl - 06 Apr 2004 15:44 GMT ATT is already getting their feet wet with wireless service. They are offering TDMA service in selected areas as part of a package called ATT One. Baltimore is one of the areas where the service is offered and it appears that the coverage is the equivalent of nationwide service.
Carl
> Let the guessing begin. Sprint, T-Mobile or Nextel? > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at: > http://www.mountainwireless.com
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