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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / April 2004ATT allowing connection into Cingular?
Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS customers in SF bay area, reported that now they are able to connect using Cingular. They are local to SF Bay area and before today (?) they could not use Cingular. I am on Cingular but as always I am not able to connect to ATTWS. Any one else noticed this? -akm > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -akm Are you sure it just started today, or did they just get 'cingular' on their handset today? There's a huge difference. I travel all over the U.S. Long before Cingular considered placing a bid for ATT, I would know that I was ON ATT (with my cingular handset) as the handset would display "cingular extend" rather than just "cingular". Oh, and if I dialed 611 while my cingular handset said "cingular extend", I'd get an ATT recording. I never got hit with roaming charges for using ATT's towers with a cingular handset. I guess my point is, why would ATT allow Cingular customers to place calls (since LONG before the merger), but not the other way around? I very much doubt if your friends on ATT got access to Cingular TODAY. So probably one of two things happened: 1) Your friends always had access to cingular where available, but some new cingular towers went live in their area recently, so now they have more coverage, and (coincidentally) that extra coverage is cingular OR 2) Maybe ATT changed their firmware to reflect 'cingular' (which makes sense as ATT is now Cingular!) instead of 'roaming' or 'ATT extend' or whatever the ATT handset would display while on a cingular tower. Thus, your friends are now AWARE that the towers they've been using are cingular. My best guesses, anyway. -Dave I just forced a manual selection of Cingular with my ATT GSM phone in Detroit. It worked. ATT covers Detroit and I've never had access to the Cingular network on GSM before. Back on TDMA, Cingular and ATT had some backup coverage agreements in Detroit. I'll let you know at the end of the month whether this gets billed as a roaming call. Stu > > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > My best guesses, anyway. -Dave >I just forced a manual selection of Cingular with my ATT GSM phone in >Detroit. It worked. ATT covers Detroit and I've never had access to the >Cingular network on GSM before. Back on TDMA, Cingular and ATT had some >backup coverage agreements in Detroit. I tried doing that but I only show att or t-moble.  SignatureKnight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. > >I just forced a manual selection of Cingular with my ATT GSM phone in > >Detroit. It worked. ATT covers Detroit and I've never had access to the > >Cingular network on GSM before. Back on TDMA, Cingular and ATT had some > >backup coverage agreements in Detroit. > > I tried doing that but I only show att or t-moble. Indeed. The only GSM networks in Portland, OR are T-Mobile & AT&TWS. Cingular has not yet entered the Portland market. In fact, Cingular long held no CMRS wireless licenses at all anywhere in Oregon. Only recently did Cingular finally acquire in the Portland BTA a PCS C3 10 MHz disaggregation from NextWave. However, Cingular will not enter the market now w/ a newly constructed network but will instead wait until the merger is complete to absorb & rebrand the existing AT&TWS network in Portland. Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ >Indeed. The only GSM networks in Portland, OR are T-Mobile & AT&TWS. >Cingular has not yet entered the Portland market. In fact, Cingular [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >until the merger is complete to absorb & rebrand the existing AT&TWS >network in Portland. uug now I won't get better reception in my shop. atleast not for a long time. sounds like I should get a multi band phone. SignatureKnight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. > I just forced a manual selection of Cingular with my ATT GSM phone in > Detroit. It worked. ATT covers Detroit and I've never had access to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Stu It shouldn't, as the opposite wouldn't happen. That is, if you forced your cingular handset to use ATT, cingular wouldn't charge you for roaming (on the nation plan, anyway) But again, I fail to see how this could possibly be a new development, as cingular/att have had a cooperative agreement since long before the merger was even considered. -Dave I never had Cingular coverage in the Detroit market before on GSM. On TDMA, there was a similar arrangement. This makes me happy because ATT has virtually no coverage at the University of Michigan and Cingular has pretty good coverage there. Stu > > I just forced a manual selection of Cingular with my ATT GSM phone in > > Detroit. It worked. ATT covers Detroit and I've never had access to the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cingular/att have had a cooperative agreement since long before the merger > was even considered. -Dave > It shouldn't, as the opposite wouldn't happen. That is, if you forced your > cingular handset to use ATT, cingular wouldn't charge you for roaming (on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cingular/att have had a cooperative agreement since long before the merger > was even considered. -Dave While the two companies have had a reciprocal roaming agreement for some time, they didn't offer the same level of service to their respective customers. While Cingular customers have always (well, for a long time anyway) been able to roam on all (or most) of ATTWS' system for free, ATTWS has charged its customers to roam on Cingular's (and anyone else's) network unless they had subscribed to a Digital One Rate plan. A roaming agreement between two companies does not guarantee that one company will include the other company's network into their preferred provider plan for no extra charge, and while Cingular has opted to do so, ATTWS has not (until now apparently). In general, ATTWS' nation plans have been pure on-network plans for a while and didn't offer any free off-network roaming whatsoever. This has been true for both the Digital Nation and the Next Generation Nation plans. I hear that ATTWS will start offering new nation plans with free roaming on preferred partner networks starting 04/18/04 (see http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=document&doc_id=132540&verticalID=3 4&vertical=Business+and+Finance&industry=). > While the two companies have had a reciprocal roaming agreement for some > time, they didn't offer the same level of service to their respective > customers. While Cingular customers have always (well, for a long time > anyway) been able to roam on all (or most) of ATTWS' system for free, > ATTWS has charged its customers to roam on Cingular's (and anyone > else's) network unless they had subscribed to a Digital One Rate plan. Awww . . . that explains my confusion. So it seems some ATT customers did get more coverage recently, but Cingular customers always had the expanded coverage. -Dave It's been happening to me here in Philly for the past week. Sometimes my phone says Cingular. ATTWS is now sharing towers here in the Philly area. > > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > My best guesses, anyway. -Dave that and roaming agreements are finally experiencing smooth handoffs, which, here in Harrisburg, is still iffy at best. A lot of it may have to do with both carriers converting to 850 GSM in many overlapping markets. >Subject: Re: ATT allowing connection into Cingular? >From: "ben skversky" bskversky@comcast.net [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >> My best guesses, anyway. -Dave Jeff Ream I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about I just checked my phone, Before, when I tried to select Cingular, it said "Error" or "denied" ( I don't remember exactly) and now, I can select Cingular. Does this mean I can use the Cingular towers without roaming charges??? (I have a national ATTws plan) if this is the case, then "HELLO v600!" > that and roaming agreements are finally experiencing smooth handoffs, which, > here in Harrisburg, is still iffy at best. A lot of it may have to do with both [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about Further more. My t68i keeps jumping back and forth from ATTws to Cingular. while my 6310i favors the ATTws towers when I manually select ATTws then put it back to autoselect. and favors the cingular towers when I manually set it for Cingular then put it back to Autoselect again. I will have to play with it at work tomorrow since I get NO ATTws signal at my desk, but I do get Cingular there. > I just checked my phone, Before, when I tried to select Cingular, it said > "Error" or "denied" ( I don't remember exactly) and now, I can select [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > > > I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about Yet another update. I tried to connect to a Cingular tower at work, and I get the message "No System Access" so I am not sure exactly what is going on here. > Further more. My t68i keeps jumping back and forth from ATTws to Cingular. > while my 6310i favors the ATTws towers when I manually select ATTws then put [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > > > > > I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about On Howardforms, there was a discussion about the fact that there was a problem with the West Coast. Apparently, it has been fixed. > Yet another update. I tried to connect to a Cingular tower at work, and I > get the message "No System Access" so I am not sure exactly what is going on [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > > > > > > > I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about If its fixed, then its not happening at my work then. I just tried it and it said "No System Access" Works fine at home though, which is nice. > On Howardforms, there was a discussion about the fact that there was a > problem with the West Coast. Apparently, it has been fixed. [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > > > > > > > > > I am the drummer your color guard captain warned you about > I just checked my phone, Before, when I tried to select Cingular, it said > "Error" or "denied" ( I don't remember exactly) and now, I can select > Cingular. Does this mean I can use the Cingular towers without roaming > charges??? (I have a national ATTws plan) No. When your phone says anything other than AT&T, you'll pay roaming charges. Until (and assuming that) the merger is actually executed, Cingular and ATTWS are required by law to conduct "business as usual" at arms length. And ATTWS policy says that those with National plans will pay roaming charges when they are not on the ATT network. > It's been happening to me here in Philly for the past week. Sometimes my > phone says Cingular. ATTWS is now sharing towers here in the Philly area. Hasn't it always been that way, though? It doesn't make sense, logically, that ATT would allow cingular users to use their towers, but not the other way around. I was using ATT with a cingular handset long before the merger was considered. -Dave > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -akm The GSM MAP is quite promptly & elegantly malleable in its controls over network selection. GSM network-side roaming administration is largely transparent to the mobile. Via relatively simple updates pushed down through the network, Location Areas may be added or subtracted at will from various roaming agreements. In a nutshell, each GSM network is intelligently informed about whom (i.e. which other carriers' roamers) may roam where (i.e. in which Location Areas). Thus, Cingular & AT&TWS could begin - and apparently have begun - almost immediately to open their respective GSM networks - for manual network selection at the very least - to all subs of both carriers w/o requiring any handset intervention. On the other hand, the integration of two merged IS-41 networks (e.g. CDMA, TDMA, AMPS) - as will be the case w/ the merged Cingular-AT&TWS TDMA/AMPS footprints - requires SID transitions &/or dissemination of an entirely new PRL - the latter most certainly requiring handset intervention for each affected sub. Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ >> Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS >> customers in SF bay area, reported that now >> they are able to connect using Cingular. And as a Cingular customer, I recently used AT&T in northern Indiana. (I also had to reinitialize my voicemail last night.) --kyler >And as a Cingular customer, I recently used AT&T in northern Indiana. I am an AT&T customer and had a roaming charge on my last bill. CS told me that I had roamed into a Cingular area (I hadn't) but they took the charge off of it. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>> Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS >>> customers in SF bay area, reported that now >>> they are able to connect using Cingular. > > And as a Cingular customer, I recently used AT&T in northern Indiana. Likewise in Maui, HI with my 8390. > Kyler Laird wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Likewise in Maui, HI with my 8390. Here in the southside of Indianapolis In, I have been bouncing back and forth between cingular and ATT. for a couple weeks now. confirmed with customer service, for customers with certain plans, now we are on "expanded home area". it basically covers the central california for the bay area customer. we can use cingular network without roaming charges. this means better signal in my office and in my apartment. please confirm that your plan has this feature with attws. > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -akm > Today couple of my friends who are ATTWS > customers in SF bay area, reported that now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -akm Back in the fall of last year, AT&T Wireless instituted Best in Class service. With this service in certain markets, if AT&T has a weak signal, AT&T will let you roam on Cingular or T-Mobile without roaming charges. This has nothing to do with the unaccomplished merger. AT&T had that in North and South Carolina for a long while. Although you might be on Cingular towers, the phone might still show AT&T Wireless. SignatureEarl F. Parrish It's not just cingular. Aws has new roaming agreements with other carriers too. |
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