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cynthia kleeschulte - 28 Apr 2004 00:11 GMT
did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla
Paul Cardoza - 28 Apr 2004 00:41 GMT
>did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla

NOW.
Joseph - 28 Apr 2004 00:59 GMT
>did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla

Tomorrow morning at 9:30 am.  A guy in the mall told me.  
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Robert M. - 28 Apr 2004 02:58 GMT
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> did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla

You can roam on most of them now.
Trey - 28 Apr 2004 03:45 GMT
> In article
> <wMBjc.54593$um3.1052527@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>
> > did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla
>
> You can roam on most of them now.

minus the towers around my office. when I go into Manual selection, it sees
the Cingular towers, but it says "No system access"
Jim Gilliland - 28 Apr 2004 13:12 GMT
>>>did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla
>>
>>You can roam on most of them now.
>
> minus the towers around my office. when I go into Manual selection, it sees
> the Cingular towers, but it says "No system access"

The roaming agreement that is now in place between ATTWS and Cingular
allows ATTWS customers to roam on Cingular towers in areas where ATTWS
doesn't have towers themselves.  If there is an ATTWS tower nearby, the
Cingular tower is going to reject your access.  It wouldn't make any
sense for ATTWS to allow you to access a competing tower in an area
where ATTWS already provides coverage.

The same is true for any carrier and any roaming agreement.

Note that the roaming agreement in place between these companies has
nothing to do with the proposed merger, which will take place many
months from now (assuming that it does go through).
Trey - 28 Apr 2004 14:24 GMT
> >>>did n-e one here when attws  will be using cingulars towers? -kayla
> >>
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> nothing to do with the proposed merger, which will take place many
> months from now (assuming that it does go through).

I do not get any ATTws signal in the office. but I guess there is good
enough signal outside to not allow roaming. (even though Cingular works in
the office) oh well. I will just wait for the merger.
Jim Gilliland - 29 Apr 2004 13:45 GMT
>>The roaming agreement that is now in place between ATTWS and Cingular
>>allows ATTWS customers to roam on Cingular towers in areas where ATTWS
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> enough signal outside to not allow roaming. (even though Cingular works in
> the office) oh well. I will just wait for the merger.

It's not a question of where you have signal, it's a question of where
ATTWS _believes_ (rightly or otherwise) that it already provides
coverage.  It would make no sense whatsoever for any carrier to allow
you to roam to another carrier (thereby incurring costs) when the "home"
carrier can provide its own coverage at the same location.
John S. - 28 Apr 2004 16:38 GMT
>The same is true for any carrier and any roaming agreement.

Actually roaming agreements can be worded any way the two carriers want them to
read!

So without seeing how they are structured, it is impossible for you to make the
statements that you made in this message.

My take on it is that if you hit a Cingular (or other roaming partners tower)
tower instead of an AT&T tower your call will go through and you will not be
charged roaming.  Doesn't matter if you are in an area covered by boh carriers
or not.

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Jim Gilliland - 29 Apr 2004 13:49 GMT
>>The same is true for any carrier and any roaming agreement.
>
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> So without seeing how they are structured, it is impossible for you to make the
> statements

It really has nothing to do with the wording of the agreement.  Cingular
would gladly let ATTWS use ALL of its towers - since it gets paid by
ATTWS for every call-minute that it serves to an ATTWS customer.  But
ATTWS doesn't want to pay more than necessary to its roaming partners,
so they make sure that the only authorized Cingular towers are those
where ATTWS doesn't provide overlapping coverage.  Pretty simple.

> My take on it is that if you hit a Cingular (or other roaming partners tower)
> tower instead of an AT&T tower your call will go through and you will not be
> charged roaming.  Doesn't matter if you are in an area covered by boh carriers
> or not.

You don't need to take my word for it.  Just go and try it out!  Or just
take Trey's word for it - he's already made this discovery.
John S. - 29 Apr 2004 15:18 GMT
>You don't need to take my word for it.  Just go and try it out!  Or just
>take Trey's word for it - he's already made this discovery.

I am going to as soon as I get to an area that has poor AT&T signal (my home
for instance). I will then manually select Cingular as they have pretty good
coverage wher I live.

More when I get home next - probably the end of May.

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Jack - 29 Apr 2004 19:02 GMT
At my house I have an ATT signal but can still select Cingular and use it.

Sacramento, CA
> >You don't need to take my word for it.  Just go and try it out!  Or just
> >take Trey's word for it - he's already made this discovery.
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> John S.
> e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
 
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