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GSM vs TDMA: Advantages?

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Jeremy - 19 Jun 2004 17:16 GMT
I've been a TDMA customer since 1999.  Have 3 lines.  Am perfectly satisfied
with the feature set that I have now.  No need for data, or surfing the web
on 2" screen.

Does GSM offer any advantage over TDMA when comparing the features that are
common to both systems?  Is the voice quality any different, for example?

Seems to me that unless one really needs the data services, it make no sense
to switch to GSM.  All that "M mode" hype is irrelevant to my needs--I just
want a phone that works, that has voicemail, and that displays when I have
an SMS or a Voicemail message waiting.
Joseph - 20 Jun 2004 01:22 GMT
>Does GSM offer any advantage over TDMA when comparing the features that are
>common to both systems?  Is the voice quality any different, for example?

Voice quality is better with GSM.  Feature-wise GSM has more native
features that work across all GSM systems.

If you don't need data or you don't think you need any GSM features on
new phones stick with TDMA.  The voice quality isn't quite as good,
but you'll give up analog roaming if you switch to GSM.  If you're in
urban areas it won't matter, but if you find yourself often in rural
areas it's probably better to have the multi-mode phones that you can
have with TDMA.

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John S. - 20 Jun 2004 04:14 GMT
>Voice quality is better with GSM.

No it's not!

Differences in phones and peoples ears sometimes make it seem better, or worse
as the case may be.

Technically it isn't better - it is the same.

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John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Bill Radio - 20 Jun 2004 07:28 GMT
Jeremy,
You are right on the mark.  Thousands of AT&T customers converted to GSM and
found the coverage much worse, and they quit AT&T as a result.  It depends
on where you are located.  In a handful of markets, like Cleveland, Philly,
Phoenix and several others, they use the same frequency band and coverage
has not been an issue.   Here, TDMA 850 MHz coverage was good, but had dead
spots.  When they just added 1900 MHz GSM service to the same sites, it was
noticably inferior.

Some day, they will make GSM work well.  If you have good service on TDMA,
stay with it for at least another year.

Bill Radio
Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at:
http://www.mountainwireless.com

> I've been a TDMA customer since 1999.  Have 3 lines.  Am perfectly satisfied
> with the feature set that I have now.  No need for data, or surfing the web
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> want a phone that works, that has voicemail, and that displays when I have
> an SMS or a Voicemail message waiting.
Trey - 20 Jun 2004 20:46 GMT
> Jeremy,
> You are right on the mark.  Thousands of AT&T customers converted to GSM and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at:
> http://www.mountainwireless.com

Another selling point for GSM is international travel. Once again, if you
don't travel over seas, then who cares.

Phones these days can do some much, that it is often forgotten that you can
call people with them too. I have to agree with Jeremy, I have no use for
internet, email, or even sending pictures via my cell.
txt messaging though, that's rather useful for me.
Joseph - 21 Jun 2004 00:22 GMT
>Phones these days can do some much

Huh?  What language was this supposed to be written in?

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Trey - 21 Jun 2004 04:30 GMT
> >Phones these days can do some much
>
> Huh?  What language was this supposed to be written in?

some much = so much.

Sorry, the Vicodin is making me feel a little too good I guess ;-)
R?bert M. - 21 Jun 2004 03:25 GMT
> Another selling point for GSM is international travel. Once again, if you
> don't travel over seas, then who cares.

Not all GSM phones have all the bands that might be needed overseas;
indeed some "International" phones have subsets of those bands.

> Phones these days can do some much, that it is often forgotten that you can
> call people with them too. I have to agree with Jeremy, I have no use for
> internet, email, or even sending pictures via my cell.
> txt messaging though, that's rather useful for me.
Joseph - 21 Jun 2004 04:28 GMT
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:25:34 GMT, "Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.cIty>
wrote:

>Not all GSM phones have all the bands that might be needed overseas;
>indeed some "International" phones have subsets of those bands.

If you have the right equipment it indeed is an international phone.
If you don't have all the required bands domestically you'll have
problems as well.  If you have a 1900 phone and the area you are in is
850 you're out of luck just as if you had an 900 phone and all that
was available is 1800.  It's a limitation of the user's equipment not
of the service.

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Trey - 21 Jun 2004 04:31 GMT
> > Another selling point for GSM is international travel. Once again, if you
> > don't travel over seas, then who cares.
>
> Not all GSM phones have all the bands that might be needed overseas;
> indeed some "International" phones have subsets of those bands.

My cousin figured that one out the hard way. He was all excited that he was
going to France for a month. I looked at his phone, and sadly informed him
that is the 850/1900 only, and wont work over there. oh well.
Scrumhalf - 22 Jun 2004 23:06 GMT
> Jeremy,
> You are right on the mark.  Thousands of AT&T customers converted to GSM and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at:
> http://www.mountainwireless.com

Bill, this is great advice!  My wife has ATTWS TDMA service which we
just renewed so as to add unlimited mobile to mobile calling.
Although the Reachout Unlimited service that allows one to add
unlimited MtoM calling requires a 2 year signup, we managed to
sweet-talk the salesman into giving it to us for 1 year because we
simultaneously changed my T-Mobile service to ATT GSM.  I have no
intentions of giving up TDMA/AMPS anytime soon.  The signal strength
is great, I have coverage just about everywhere I go and AMPS backup.
Trey - 23 Jun 2004 00:07 GMT
> Bill, this is great advice!  My wife has ATTWS TDMA service which we
> just renewed so as to add unlimited mobile to mobile calling.
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> intentions of giving up TDMA/AMPS anytime soon.  The signal strength
> is great, I have coverage just about everywhere I go and AMPS backup.

NO cell phone gets signal in my office. We even talked to a verizon tech and
he said if they put a tower right outside the building, it wouldnt matter,
there is so much steel and cement in this building it would all be absorbed.
anyways.. a few guys with a digital/analog phone have to turn their phones
off since the phone loses digital signal, flips over to analog mode and just
searches all day and kills the battery.  I have seen them lose a brand new,
full battery in one day in this building before.
having the analog may be helpfull, but it may also be your undoing.
Scrumhalf - 24 Jun 2004 00:24 GMT
> NO cell phone gets signal in my office. We even talked to a verizon tech and
> he said if they put a tower right outside the building, it wouldnt matter,
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> full battery in one day in this building before.
> having the analog may be helpfull, but it may also be your undoing.

Interesting - I guess it is all location-specific.  In the Portland
metro area, I have yet to find a single locations where my wife's
Nokia 8265 on ATT TDMA does not work.  Deep inside her office
building, at home away from windows, you name it, it works.  That's
why we are keeping our TDMA service until they shut it down.  My
T-Mobile on the other hand is reasonable outdoors but is marignal at
work and pretty much nonexistent at home.  We just signed up for an
ATT GSM account - let's see how good that is vs. the T-Mobile.
Upset - 23 Jun 2004 04:44 GMT
> > Jeremy,
> > You are right on the mark.  Thousands of AT&T customers converted to GSM and
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> intentions of giving up TDMA/AMPS anytime soon.  The signal strength
> is great, I have coverage just about everywhere I go and AMPS backup.

This was a good deal that you received.  Let me however warn you of
something.  You received unlimited Mobile to Mobile on a 1 year
signup.  However you are required to have a 2 year contract.
Essentially they gave you an override because they wanted your
business.  The problem is that if sometime over the next few months if
you want to change your plan as in switch to a plan with more or less
minutes, you will lose that unlimited mobile to mobile, because you
are on a 1 year plan.  No matter how much you bother ATTWS they will
take it away from you.  I know this because I had something better
than the unlimited Mobile to Mobile.  Then I switched to a plan with
more minutes, and lost the special override that they gave me.  What
special feature did they give me... I'll keep you guessing.  So just
to let you know, you'll probably have to keep your plan exactly as it
is now.
John Klug - 28 Jun 2004 05:19 GMT
> just renewed so as to add unlimited mobile to mobile calling.
> Although the Reachout Unlimited service that allows one to add
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> intentions of giving up TDMA/AMPS anytime soon.  The signal strength
> is great, I have coverage just about everywhere I go and AMPS backup.
At our cabin, Dobson Cellular One is the only company that provides
even a weak signal.  Verizon is the other cellular band carrier, and
is nearly unusable.  I have had good luck with a Nokia 6360 TDMA phone
and a 3dB antenna and a DA4000 3W booster.  Without the 3W booster, I
have to find a hill.  I just got a Siemens S56 from E-Bay, since
Dobson has added a GSM overlay.  Connected to the same equipment, the
S56 cannot find a network, unless I am on a hill, and a little rain
wipes that out, while the 6360 makes a call just fine.  This is my
first test of a GSM 850 phone connected to an antenna is a weak signal
area.  It appears that GSM is lacking.
 
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