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GSM and analog phone?

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Jerry - 23 Aug 2004 18:48 GMT
Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the state seem
to be analog only.
Jerry - 23 Aug 2004 18:51 GMT
> Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
> enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the state seem
> to be analog only.

I should add I'm not interested in cameras or other such. A good, basic
phone, hopefully with a color screen is all I need. I currently have a Nokia
3595IM.
John Cummings - 23 Aug 2004 22:55 GMT
> > Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
> > enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the state
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> phone, hopefully with a color screen is all I need. I currently have a Nokia
> 3595IM.

The Sony Ericsson T62u has analog, GSM/TDMA on 800 and 1900 MHz, and is
available from ATTWS. It's a GAIT phone, and you'll need one of the
"multi-network" plans. It also does GPRS data, like your Nokia 3595.

John C.
Jerry - 23 Aug 2004 22:18 GMT
> > > Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
> > > enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the state
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> John C.

I'm currently on a GSM America family plan which, I presume, is not a multi
band plan. I don't need a plan when I'm out of GSM range nor do I care about
data usage either. I'm just interested in occasional or emergency use when
in such areas. If necessary, roaming charges are OK in this instance. Would
the phone work in this instance?

Jerry
Nicholas Long - 23 Aug 2004 22:47 GMT
Unfortunately you cannot have a Family Plan on the multiband plan.  You
could either go with a cheap prepaid plan or just carry your old unactivated
TDMA phone for free 911 service.

> > > > Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
> > > > enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the
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> Jerry
RexYBlue - 24 Aug 2004 01:32 GMT
>Unfortunately you cannot have a Family Plan on the multiband plan.  You
>could either go with a cheap prepaid plan or just carry your old unactivated
>TDMA phone for free 911 service.

Are you sure? I have a Siemens S-46 (GSM + TDMA, no analog) from a
while ago. I popped in my SIM and the phone works fine with my GSM
America plan. The TDMA side is not activated, but it works, and I bet
I could call 911 on it. If this person purchased a used  SE T62u on
ebay, I bet the GSM side would work fine with his GSM America SIM. The
TDMA and analog would then be available, not for occasional use, but
for 911 emergencies only, without changing his service plan.
Stuart Friedman - 24 Aug 2004 02:39 GMT
The interesting thing about the S46 is that the ESN for the TDMA side is in
the phone, not on the SIM.  As far as a mobile provider was concerned, your
TDMA side is an unactivated phone.

It would be interesting if you could activate your phone through one of the
locus prepaids or something similar.  You could then lock the phone to GSM
unless you needed the analog.

Cingular has the Nokia 6340 which includes analog and TDMA.  I wonder what
would happen if you inserted an ATT multiband SIM in an unlocked phone.

Stu

> >Unfortunately you cannot have a Family Plan on the multiband plan.  You
> >could either go with a cheap prepaid plan or just carry your old unactivated
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> TDMA and analog would then be available, not for occasional use, but
> for 911 emergencies only, without changing his service plan.
Joseph - 24 Aug 2004 02:25 GMT
>> > > Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
>> > > enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the
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>in such areas. If necessary, roaming charges are OK in this instance. Would
>the phone work in this instance?

What you want does not exist.  If you want an emergency phone get a
non-activated AT&T TDMA phone and program it for 123-456-7890 and you
will be able to dial 911 and use the American Roaming Network and pay
per call with a credit card, collect or calling card.

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Todd Allcock - 24 Aug 2004 04:59 GMT
> I'm currently on a GSM America family plan which, I presume, is not a multi
> band plan. I don't need a plan when I'm out of GSM range nor do I care about
> data usage either. I'm just interested in occasional or emergency use when
> in such areas. If necessary, roaming charges are OK in this instance. Would
> the phone work in this instance?

AFAIK, no.  The SIM probably wouldn't allow access to "unfriendly"
carriers other than 911 calls.

My rather inelegant but workable solution is a TDMA/analog prepaid
phone for rural roaming.  JusTalk is an ATTWS reseller who sells $10
prepaid cards good for 6 mont s.  For under $2/month, I have a phone
that works pretty much anywhere my GSM phone doesn't.  I simply
activate "Forward if out of reach" on my GSM phone when traveling.  If
my main phone is in-network, it receives calls, if not, the JusTalk
phone does seamlessly.
Joseph - 24 Aug 2004 02:23 GMT
>> Does ATTWS have any phones that are GSM and analog? The GSM works well
>> enough between the major cities here in AZ but large parts of the state
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>phone, hopefully with a color screen is all I need. I currently have a Nokia
>3595IM.

The Ericsson T62U does GSM, TDMA and analog.  

There are no combination GSM/TDMA/analog phones that have color
screens.  Color screens are pretty much useless in bright outdoor
light and I'm not sure what you think the advantage is.  They also
consume more battery life than regular displays.  Color screens and
polyphonic ringers are gimmicks pure and simple.
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John Navas - 24 Aug 2004 06:49 GMT
>There are no combination GSM/TDMA/analog phones that have color
>screens.  Color screens are pretty much useless in bright outdoor
>light and I'm not sure what you think the advantage is.  They also
>consume more battery life than regular displays.

All true.

>Color screens and
>polyphonic ringers are gimmicks pure and simple.

My own assessment:

Color is nice with a good transflective screen.

Polyphonic ringers are good period -- better to have realistic sound than a
primitive beeping.  My own phone plays a nice rendition of the Darth Vader
theme when my ex calls, and Joplin's Maple Leaf Rag when my daughter calls.
:)

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Jerry - 24 Aug 2004 07:36 GMT
There are no combination GSM/TDMA/analog phones that have color
> screens.  Color screens are pretty much useless in bright outdoor
> light and I'm not sure what you think the advantage is.  They also
> consume more battery life than regular displays.  Color screens and
> polyphonic ringers are gimmicks pure and simple.
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I find the color display on the 3595 much easier to read than the
green/black display on my old 5165.
Joseph - 24 Aug 2004 16:33 GMT
>There are no combination GSM/TDMA/analog phones that have color
>> screens.  Color screens are pretty much useless in bright outdoor
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>I find the color display on the 3595 much easier to read than the
>green/black display on my old 5165.

Outdoors in bright sunlight?  That's usually the problem with color
displays.

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Jerry - 24 Aug 2004 17:13 GMT
> >There are no combination GSM/TDMA/analog phones that have color
> >> screens.  Color screens are pretty much useless in bright outdoor
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In Phoenix I stay out of the sun as much as possible :^)

Seriously, you're right that the 3595 is harder to see in the sun but I've
always been able to shade it enough to use. It just doesn't happen often
enough to be much of a concern.
 
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