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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / May 2007Waiting For GPS
Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with integrated GPS. Real GPS, not the cell tower GPS lite stuff. Who thinks the provider is going to try to squeeze a usage fee out of customers when they start marketing phones like the Nokia N95? I read about a Blackberry Pearl due for a fall release that will have integrated GPS and I'm very interested. I will never pay Cingular or ATT a penny to use the GPS chip the phone manufacturer built in or the satellites tax dollars launched into orbit, but I just know they'll try to get it. Is it even legal for them to charge for a feature that they didn't invest in? I want it to work like it does in my car. I turn it on...it works. I don't get charged every time I access it. Does anyone have info on how the providers intend to handle this issue? > Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a > long [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they > start marketing phones like the Nokia N95? Cinular has already offered a GPS phone: the HP 6515; a Pocket PC phone with integrated GPS. And they didn't "squeeze" fees out of anyone. > Is it even legal for them to > charge for a feature that they didn't invest in? I want it to work like > it does in my car. I turn it on...it works. Anything that isn't illegal is legal! ;-) I assume carriers will try to sell ancially services to GPS-equipped customers, like nav software, but that's no different than selling mobile TVor message bundles. > I don't get charged every time I > access it. Does anyone have info on how the providers intend to handle > this issue? As I said, Cingular already had a GPS phone, and no, they didn't charge you to use it, but I think they offered a subscription to some navigation software that accessed real-time traffic and POI data. You could use your own software instead, of course. > Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long > time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > access it. Does anyone have info on how the providers intend to handle this > issue? Standalone GPS units are so cheap (and small), and require no service charge, why bother with a phone? Are you really going to need a GPS every day? Things to consider.  SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" >> Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long >> time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > GPS usage fees, but I think it was in the European market...just made me a > bit irritable. > >> Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long > >> time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > GPS usage fees, but I think it was in the European market...just made me a > > bit irritable. I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to the belt. Pretty Batman to me. I use a GPS in the car only - lock it in the glove compartment when not in use. Can't imagine needing one to walk around the city with. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to the > belt. Pretty Batman to me. Agreed. Although I find BT headsets pretty invaluable myself, I keep mine hidden under my shirt on a neck strap and only pull it out when needed. > I use a GPS in the car only - lock it in the glove compartment when not > in use. Can't imagine needing one to walk around the city with. Same here. I found a pretty neat model at Semsons called the iBlue that has a "deep sleep" standby mode. I can leave it "on" all the time, and shuts itself off when it's not communicating with my phone, and wakes up when the phone looks for it. The battery will last in sleep mode for about a month between recharges. This way it can stay hidden in the little "sunglasses compartment" by the domelight when in use or not. If it fails to connect to the phone, I know it's time for a recharge! > > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to the > > belt. Pretty Batman to me. > > Agreed. Although I find BT headsets pretty invaluable myself, I keep > mine hidden under my shirt on a neck strap and only pull it out when > needed. Yes, I have the one for the Treo. Also hide it. Always keep phone in pocket. > > > I use a GPS in the car only - lock it in the glove compartment when not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > little "sunglasses compartment" by the domelight when in use or not. If > it fails to connect to the phone, I know it's time for a recharge! The Garmin 330 has been great for me. I need a display large enough to read and unit with touch screen to easily program. Things fits in pocket, too. Phone display is too small. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" >> > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to the >> > belt. Pretty Batman to me. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > pocket, too. > Phone display is too small. I think my Treo would be large enough to use on a car mount yet small enough to be useful as a phone. The slimmer Blackberry Pearl due for release in the fall is the GPS enabled phone I'm waiting for. I'd hold out for the Nokia N95 because of the five megapixel camera, but I'm sure I'd be disappointed in the pics it takes as photography is a long time hobby . > >> > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to the > >> > belt. Pretty Batman to me. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I think my Treo would be large enough to use on a car mount yet small enough > to be useful as a phone. You'll sing a different song when you start needing reading glasses. :-) For me, it's bad enough pressing all the tiny buttons on my Treo to navigate around Google Maps for L.A. traffic. > The slimmer Blackberry Pearl due for release in the > fall is the GPS enabled phone I'm waiting for. I'd hold out for the Nokia > N95 because of the five megapixel camera, but I'm sure I'd be disappointed > in the pics it takes as photography is a long time hobby . Cell phone cameras were designed for the Japanese upskirt enthusiast. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" >> >> > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to >> >> > the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > For me, it's bad enough pressing all the tiny buttons on my Treo to > navigate around Google Maps for L.A. traffic. Already there...I'm 55, but still a gadget freak. I can just about manage the Treo without my glasses, but I'm gonna need longer arms soon. > >> >> > I see enough of the types with the earpiece and a phone clipped to > >> >> > the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Already there...I'm 55, but still a gadget freak. I can just about manage > the Treo without my glasses, but I'm gonna need longer arms soon. You got a couple years on me. I'm the same way. Treo is manageable in well lit area. The long arm thing makes the screen about 1/2" viewing area. I prefer the glasses. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > The Garmin 330 has been great for me. I need a display large enough to > read and unit with touch screen to easily program. Things fits in > pocket, too. > Phone display is too small. My "phone" is a T-Mobile MDA- a Pocket PC Phone with a 3" touchscreen, so that's not an issue for me! ;-) >> >> Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a >> >> long [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > I use a GPS in the car only - lock it in the glove compartment when not > in use. Can't imagine needing one to walk around the city with. I'd find a smartphone with integrated GPS invaluable in NYC. I visit frequently, but I'm not a native and often get all turned around coming up out of the subway. It would be great if my phone could tell me which direction to start walking. The unit that came with my car has saved the day numerous times. It shines in urban areas with countless wrong turns to be made, but out in the sticks, it often makes the most incomprehensible route suggestions taking me off the highway for a scenic jaunt through the backwoods for several miles only to dump me right back on the same highway I was on for no apparent reason. As far as wearing a bluetooth earpiece goes, mine stays in the car. I get weirded out by folks walking around talking to themselves. It not easy to tell the difference between a busy executive making deals and a paranoid schizophrenic. > >> >> Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a > >> >> long [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > themselves. It not easy to tell the difference between a busy executive > making deals and a paranoid schizophrenic. I prefer a portable GPS to the ones built into the car. I don't always need one, and I can move it to other cars as well as go off the battery charge. Screens are also nicely sized. Could never read a small hand-held in the car. I do have an Etrex for hiking, since I do a lot of back-country hikes out here in Ventura, Santa Barbara counties, but a GPS designed for an urban situation (directions, etc) wouldn't work well. Need elevation, speed, waypoints, etc. SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long > time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > access it. Does anyone have info on how the providers intend to handle this > issue? It depends if you're talking about using _just_ the GPS satellites, or doing something like Verizon and Sprint do which is a hybrid system. Certainly you should be able to buy a PDA phone that has a GPS and run whatever GPS applications that the PDA's operating system supports. You can do that now with something like the N95. The provider isn't involved. What Verizon and Sprint charge for is the use of their network in their location based services, but if you had a CDMA PDA phone with a GPS, where the OS supported a GPS application, you could use the GPS without charge as well. When you start talking about a subsidized handset, the carriers may try to disable any integrated GPS functionality that works without paying them something. >> Been switching back and forth between a Moto MPX220 and a Treo for a long >> time. I'm overdue for an upgrade, but I'm waiting for a phone with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > disable any integrated GPS functionality that works without paying them > something. Crippling devices is what makes me look outside the carriers inventory for replacement phones. |
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