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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / December 2007100,000's of iPhones sold in Europe in last 72 Hours!
As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's the best selling phone they have ever had! --- Peter Erskine, chief executive of Telefonica's 02 Europe, said the mobile operator has sold hundreds of thousands of Apple iPhones in the UK since the heavily-hyped multimedia handsets went on sale last Friday evening. http://snipurl.com/1tizg or http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-20911760.ht m The news is even better for Germany but final sales haven't been tallied for all the 700 stores. --- So looks like Noika is now history in the upper end of the Cell Phone market. Once Apple introduces the lower end iPhone models they will fade away and the world will be a better place. Congrats O2, T-Mobile... Next up is Orange in France! November 29th! And in case you missed it, this is the event that shook Europe's cell market to its very core. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ Europe has never had access to such a modern cell phone, so it's good they are finally getting a taste of high end, quality products! http://www.iphone.com/ - > As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, > breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's > the best selling phone they have ever had! 100,000 sheeple paid $$$$ to be iPhone beta testers... > Peter Erskine, chief executive of Telefonica's 02 Europe, said the > mobile operator has sold hundreds of thousands of Apple iPhones in the > UK since the heavily-hyped multimedia handsets went on sale last Friday > evening. > > http://snipurl.com/1tizg I have a strong feeling that story will be corrected/retracted later today. The same article said "In a conference call with reporters Erskine declined to reveal how many iPhones it has sold," So which is it? "Hundreds of thousands" or "declined to say?" Then the article states: "He said early sales had been in line with its original expectations..." "Original expectations" for O2 has been reported to be 200,000 by Christmas. I'd say "hundreds of thousands" in three days could quite possibly be considered EXCEEDING expectations rather than "in line" with them! Reportedly, O2 purchased "hundreds of thousands" from Apple for sale in the UK, so the writer has either confused figures somewhere in the story, or iPhones are completely sold out in the UK this afternoon! I highly doubt the UK launch weekend sold more than the US launch! Interestingly enough, the WSJ, BBC, or the Daily Telegraph don't seem to have carried this story. Maybe they know something CNN doesn't? > The news is even better for Germany but final sales haven't been > tallied for all the 700 stores. Because Germans can't count? What retailer can't tally product sales virtually instantly in this day and age? I hope T-Mo DE did well with it. My DT stock can use another boost. > > Peter Erskine, chief executive of Telefonica's 02 Europe, said the > > mobile operator has sold hundreds of thousands of Apple iPhones in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have a strong feeling that story will be corrected/retracted later today. because.. it doesn't agree with you? CNN has the scoop, you don't. > The same article said "In a conference call with reporters Erskine > declined to reveal how many iPhones it has sold," [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > afternoon! I highly doubt the UK launch weekend sold more than the US > launch! Ah, within the first 30 hours Apple sold 270,000 in the US, so within 72 hours, 100's of thousands is right in line for such a great product. This will push iPhone sales up to 1,800,000 for the last 200 days. > Interestingly enough, the WSJ, BBC, or the Daily Telegraph don't seem to > have carried this story. Maybe they know something CNN doesn't? Or, WSJ, BBC, or the Daily Telegraph have old info. CNN usually doesn't make mistakes. > > The news is even better for Germany but final sales haven't been > > tallied for all the 700 stores. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I hope T-Mo DE did well with it. My DT stock can use another boost. Yes, or you could invest in AAPL, up over 50% in the last year. :) > "Oxford" wrote: > Ah, within the first 30 hours Apple sold 270,000 in the US, so within 72 > hours, 100's of thousands is right in line for such a great product. > > This will push iPhone sales up to 1,800,000 for the last 200 days. Doubtful. Sales were dismal according to street sales in Europe. http://tinyurl.com/2shtnm Local AT&T stores have reported far less in sales too, with more buying their newer "Tilt" model which does far more. Marketing 101 has it passing the Bell Curve for initial buyers. Why would the Europeans want a phone to use on their superior network that's slower and does less for more money? I'd like to see Apple's demographic model on that! B~ > > "Oxford" wrote: > > Ah, within the first 30 hours Apple sold 270,000 in the US, so within 72 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Doubtful. Sales were dismal according to street sales in Europe. > http://tinyurl.com/2shtnm Indeed. Quote from above: Pundits are already falling over themselves to explain the iPhone's flopping in Britain, and the arguments are exactly what people have been complaining about since the phone's initial release in the States: It's too expensive. It's too slow without 3G support. It's locked to one carrier. Other alternatives abound. Ouch. Bob Campbell > "Bob Campbell" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Ouch. This ad from a phone forum says it best: http://tinyurl.com/3b86wt B~ > Local AT&T stores have reported far less in sales too, with more buying > their newer "Tilt" model which does far more. Marketing 101 has it passing > the Bell Curve for initial buyers. Defend "far more"? I don't think you can -- and you definitely cannot acknowledge iPhone's actual features and claim those low-price models do far more. Jeez, either change the way you comment about products or change your conclusions. You make yourself look downright stupid. > Why would the Europeans want a phone to use on their superior network that's > slower and does less for more money? Defend "does less"? It has superior features in MANy ways -- how can such narrow and slow-minded people keep harping on two features it doesn't have and not acknowledge four that it does BEST? > Local AT&T stores have reported far less in sales too, with more > buying their newer "Tilt" model which does far more. Marketing 101 > has it passing the Bell Curve for initial buyers. It'll hurt when reality sets in..... Infoworld, October 2007: "For the three months ending Sept. 30, net profit increased 85 percent over the third quarter of 2006, to €1.6 billion ($2.3 billion). Net sales rose 28 percent to €12.9 billion. Earnings per share rose 90 percent to €0.40. The company shipped 112 million units, 26 percent more than in the same period a year before. Nokia estimates it holds a 39 percent share of the mobile market." Nokia sold more phones, yesterday, than Apple has since it started!.....hee hee...(c:) Using my Linux-based, Nokia N800 Maemo software HP42C scientific calculator, if 112M is 39% of the market, all of 'em sold over 287,000,000 phones in just the THIRD QUARTER! That's 1,148,000,000 (with the B) phones in a year! It's amazing ANY of us can make a call in all THAT NOISE!!...(c; Larry  SignatureLet's pretend each phone puts out .2W (200 mw). If we get them to all make a call simultaneously, their combined power output will be 229.75 MEGAWATTS of RF power.....JUST FROM THE PHONES THAT SOLD IN THE LAST YEAR! If everyone transmits at once, WE MAY SPLIT THE PLANET APART, MAKING NUCLEAR WAR LOOK LIKE A PICNIC! Governments better be nice to us! Imagine the worldwide SELLphone CHARGING load on the world's electrical grid! In article <colalovesosx-E46E3F.11171212112007@mpls-nnrp- 02.inet.qwest.net>, colalovesosx@supersmart.com says... > CNN usually doesn't > make mistakes. LOL. No...they just outright lie and slant the news to suit their managements' views...by design. They are notorious at covering only one side of the argument. SignatureJud Dallas TX USA > > I have a strong feeling that story will be corrected/retracted later > > today. > > because.. it doesn't agree with you? CNN has the scoop, you don't. No, because, as I pointed out, the story contradicted itself, much like you often do. If you read it with a critical eye you could've figured it out yourself. Or did you actually believe nearly 1% of the population of the UK bought an iPhone this weekend? > Or, WSJ, BBC, or the Daily Telegraph have old info. CNN usually doesn't > make mistakes. Except they apparently did, didn't they? ;-) money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-20913866.htm "CORRECTION 02 Europe chief executive encouraged by early iPhone sales November 12, 2007: 08:43 AM EST (Corrects iPhone sales figure to read tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands)" QED... In article <colalovesosx-E46E3F.11171212112007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>, > Ah, within the first 30 hours Apple sold 270,000 in the US, so within 72 > hours, 100's of thousands is right in line for such a great product. Really? How big do you think the UK is? Oxford <colalovesosx@supersmart.com> wrote in news:colalovesosx- E46E3F.11171212112007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net: > Ah, within the first 30 hours Apple sold 270,000 in the US, so within 72 > hours, The American public education system must be doing a great job to make so many of them THAT stupid....(c; Larry SignatureYou can tell there's extremely intelligent life in the universe because they have never called Earth. > "Todd Allcock" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have a strong feeling that story will be corrected/retracted later > today. A CE will never admit to something bad on his shift, like giving the exact number of phones "really sold." > The same article said "In a conference call with reporters Erskine > declined to reveal how many iPhones it has sold," > > So which is it? "Hundreds of thousands" or "declined to say?" My thoughts exactly. I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! > Then the article states: "He said early sales had been in line with its > original expectations..." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd say "hundreds of thousands" in three days could quite possibly be > considered EXCEEDING expectations rather than "in line" with them! The Europeans already have better phones and network than the iPhone supports. Adding, they get far better phones for a lesser price too - even free! Why would they take a step backwards for a phone that does less (i.e. non MMS, SMS, no GPS, dismal cmaera, and faster 3G over slower E) and costs more? > Reportedly, O2 purchased "hundreds of thousands" from Apple for sale in > the UK, so the writer has either confused figures somewhere > in the story, or iPhones are completely sold out in the UK this > afternoon! I highly doubt the UK launch weekend sold more than the US > launch! Same here. Here's one take on the iFlop sales: http://tinyurl.com/2shtnm I also believe the "rush in the store" on YouTube was a premeditated marketing scam. Didn't see that anywhere else. > Interestingly enough, the WSJ, BBC, or the Daily Telegraph don't seem to > have carried this story. Maybe they know something CNN doesn't? The iPhone may indeed be the over-hyped flop of the century and go the way of the Disney phone. There are too many more PDA's that do so much more, have far more programs, and far more and better support than to settle for something with so much less. B~ > I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 > people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! More like one every other store, no? > > I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 > > people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! > > More like one every other store, no? yes, peg messed up, that's 245,000 waiting in line :) >>>I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 >>>people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! >> >>More like one every other store, no? > > yes, peg messed up, that's 245,000 waiting in line No, more like one every other store. > > I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 > > people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! > > More like one every other store, no? Umm... don't fall for his shallow tricks. The articles said that one store had that many people. It also said there were 700 stores. He had no reason to combine the two facts -- but even if he did, the natural combination would be to assume all stores had lines of 350 people, (also clearly not what was reported) not to assume 350 stores had two people each. >>>I also liked the statement of 700 stores with 350 >>>people waiting outside. What is that? Two per store? LOL! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people, (also clearly not what was reported) not to assume 350 stores > had two people each. Or, more likely, given the lack of capabilities, one every other store. > The Europeans already have better phones and network than the iPhone > supports. Adding, they get far better phones for a lesser price too - even > free! Why would they take a step backwards for a phone that does less (i.e. > non MMS, SMS, no GPS, dismal cmaera, and faster 3G over slower E) and costs > more? For the things you conveniently (and routinely) ignore. The things that do not fit that exact user you just described, but DO FIT OTHERS!! Like -- huge internal storage HUGE screen better, simpler interface simpler, slimmer design excellent music software/synching Personally, the screen trumps EVERYTHING. Everything I want such a device for needs the highest resolution available in a pocket device -- so compare ONLY devices near 320x480, and come back. > Then the article states: "He said early sales had been in line with its > original expectations..." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd say "hundreds of thousands" in three days could quite possibly be > considered EXCEEDING expectations rather than "in line" with them! well, maybe they sold 200,000 in the first three days--that's technically "hundreds of thousands"--and expect to sell zero more between now and Christmas. > As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, > breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://snipurl.com/1tizg The corrections came as fast as I suspected... http://guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/12/telecoms.apple "Erskine stressed it is 'early days' and refused to give an exact figure for his company's sales in the UK, ADDING ONLY THAT REPORTS THAT OVER 100,000 BEING BOUGHT WERE EXAGGERATED." [emphasis mine.] "Mobile phone company O2 claims to have sold 'tens of thousands' of iPhones over the weekend, despite little evidence of a repeat of the long queues seen outside stores when the device launched in the US over the summer..." "There have been reports that O2 and Carphone stores have seen lacklustre sales of the phone, but Erskine said 'the initial feedback is we are in- line with our expectations'." >> As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in >> Europe, breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > lacklustre sales of the phone, but Erskine said 'the initial feedback > is we are in- line with our expectations'." please report him to news@qwest.net All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all projections for sales and profits, and history is repeating now in Europe, and will again next year in Asia. > All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original > iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all > projections for sales and profits, and history is repeating now in > Europe, and will again next year in Asia. Sounds like yet another Oxford sock puppet, complete with spamming the same cell phone groups! Bob Campbell >> All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original >> iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Sounds like yet another Oxford sock puppet, complete with spamming the >same cell phone groups! >Bob Campbell Can't handle the truth. > >> All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original > >> iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Can't handle the truth. You didn't OFFER any 'truth'! You only made a broad, baseless CLAIM, connected it to another broad claim that has even less basis, and connected THAT to something that hasn't even happened, but which you claimed to be factual already. Apple didn't exceed ALL EXPECTATIONS for sales. Some were far too optimistic, and many expected more. History is not repeating (not in either of those ways) in Europe. Sales aren't even given in much degree yet, so it's stupidly insane to make claims about how wild the sales are. Asia -- well, I don't know how you can claim this is a fact, it hasn't happened yet. There is NOTHING for you to base a conclusion on -- even the plans for rollout aren't given, let alone expectations and logistics. Lots can happen legally, financially, technologically, and certainly with competitors, before Apple releases in Asia. No one but Oxford would claim all these success before anything is known about them. Gotta be Oxford. > > All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original > > iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sounds like yet another Oxford sock puppet, complete with spamming the > same cell phone groups! nope, Ron used a PC to post that, I would never touch such crap. > All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original > iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all > projections for sales and profits, and history is repeating now in > Europe, and will again next year in Asia. I hope they have a 3G version by the time they get to Asia or they won't have a phone which works in the two richest markets, Japan and Korea. Dennis Ferguson > I hope they have a 3G version by the time they get to Asia or > they won't have a phone which works in the two richest markets, > Japan and Korea. By that time the profitable early adopters will have already purchased something else. There is no shortage of models that already provide all the world's flavors of 3G, but they aren't as inexpensive as the 2G iPhone. The reason for the iPhone's relatively poor success in Europe at the introduction is due to the lack of 3G. When the 3G model comes out it'll take off (that's what all the market analysts say anyway). If you look at the music player market, there are numerous devices available which are cheaper and more capable than the iPod (better sound quality, user-replaceable battery, and FM radio), but in the phone market the competition is much more expensive, though more capable in terms of features (which justifies the higher prices). A 3G iPhone with a GPS, that sells for $500 would effectively force down prices, especially since the iPhone price doesn't require a contract and with unlocking can be used inexpensively anywhere in the world that has a GSM network. SMS ???• ? <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: > > I hope they have a 3G version by the time they get to Asia or > > they won't have a phone which works in the two richest markets, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > introduction is due to the lack of 3G. When the 3G model comes out it'll > take off (that's what all the market analysts say anyway). I walked into my local Carphone Warehouse and had a play with the iPhone. The store was empty aside from the lonely and bored sales assistant. When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's mainly for gadget freaks. SignatureImmunity is better than innoculation. Peter > When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's > mainly for gadget freaks. At $400 it's actually a nice portable device to use on WiFi when traveling outside the U.S.. It's just using the web browser on Edge that's not something you'd want to do too much. Think of it as a quad-band unlocked world phone ($200 value), an MP3 player with 8GB ($90 value), and throw in some limited PDA functionality which is worth at least the remaining $110. If you can't do your own unlocking, budget $40 for an unlocking service to do it. Once unlocked, you're free from that onerous $70/month fee, and when traveling you can use prepaid SIM cards. There are 3G devices that provide the remaining functionality (and more) but they cost a lot more than $400 when you buy them without the carrier subsidy. I've got two relatives on a cruise now, and I gave them an old Motorola phone that's 900/1800/1900 MHz, and got them a MaxRoam SIM card. I also loaded up some audiobooks on Rome and Egypt onto an MP3 player. I also got them a travel alarm clock with dual time display, calculator, etc. An iPhone would have been ideal for them to store all their travel information, use for the audio books, to use as a phone, and to use as an alarm clock. Two fewer devices, and one less charger. The cruise line charges 75¢/minute for WiFi access so I don't think they'd have done much web browsing on the ship, but in before and after it would have been useful at the hotels which have free WiFi. Add a GPS and map functionality, and the value goes up by at least $150. Personally, 3G would be worthless for me on an iPhone since if I bought one I would not be using a postpaid account which provided 3G access in the first place. But if it did have 3G, I think a lot more postpaid users in Europe would be buying it. The reason it didn't have a good launch in Europe is because everyone is just positive that a 3G version is just around the corner. But the 3G version will probably cost more, both in initial cost and monthly cost. > Personally, 3G would be worthless for me on an iPhone since if I bought > one I would not be using a postpaid account which provided 3G access in > the first place. But if it did have 3G, I think a lot more postpaid > users in Europe would be buying it. ?? You don't need a postpaid account to get 3G access in a lot of places. T-Mobile in the UK provides 3G HSDPA service to prepaid accounts with the usage charges capped at 1 pound per day (they'll only complain if you use more than 45 MB per day for several days in a row). I use this for Internet access when I travel there since the hotels often seem to think it is appropriate to charge $30 or $50 per night for the in-room Internet service. The ability to get reasonably priced, reasonably speedy Internet service with a prepaid SIM is precisely the reason I carry a 3G phone for overseas travel now. Dennis Ferguson > I walked into my local Carphone Warehouse and had a play with the > iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's > mainly for gadget freaks. but MOST people would never use the 3G connection in the first place. It's too slow! plus it eats battery life. MOST people will use the iPhone's modern 802.11g connection since it's more widely used and free. - >> I walked into my local Carphone Warehouse and had a play with the >> iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > but MOST people would never use the 3G connection in the first place. but most people DO use 3G in countries where it's widely spread! > It's too slow! Yes, and 2G is much slower, so...? > plus it eats battery life. MOST people will use the > iPhone's modern 802.11g connection since it's more widely used and free. use 802.11g...? where? at home? at the office? What about the rest of the planet? > >> I walked into my local Carphone Warehouse and had a play with the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's too slow! plus it eats battery life. MOST people will use the > iPhone's modern 802.11g connection since it's more widely used and free. Note that 802.11 uses a great deal of power as well. Also, 802.11 is not as widely available as 2G or 3G service, and it's often not free when it is available (check any airport in the U.S., very few have free wireless). When you're at home or at work you're not going be using the iPhone for web browsing anyway, either on 2G, 3G, or WiFi. You'll be using a notebook or desktop machine with a nice big screen and a real keyboard and mouse. If 3G for the iPhone has a significantly higher monthly cost then 2G, then it won't fly because iPhone users are generally not professionals who are being reimbursed for monthly charges as is the case with Blackberrys and Windows Mobile based devices. Apple is attempting to address the WiFi user market with the iPod Touch, but they are ignoring a large North American niche that is looking for an unlocked quad-band World Phone to use primarily when traveling outside of North America, but that still want the other iPhone capabilities (WiFi, PDA stuff, etc.). I can't use AT&T as my U.S. carrier because they lack coverage in too many area in the U.S. to which I travel. However I'd like the iPod WiFi capability in the U.S., and the phone capability when traveling outside the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. A lot of Verizon users are in the same boat--unwilling to give up the coverage that Verizon excels at, but wanting a good GSM phone/PDA/web access device to use when traveling. A lot of the iPhone unlocking is to be able to use prepaid SIM cards when traveling outside North America. In countries where 3G is widely deployed, it's widely used by professionals, and it's difficult to sell a web access device that doesn't support it. This is why the iPhone didn't meet early expectations in sales in Europe. > but MOST people would never use the 3G connection in the first place. Wrong again, Oxford! > It's too slow! plus it eats battery life. MOST people will use the > iPhone's modern 802.11g connection since it's more widely used and free. Wrong again, Oxford! Bob Campbell > When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's > mainly for gadget freaks. Such a statement reflects that you think the ONLY important function of this device is it's internet operation. I have to figure you have hard it has more features than that? Features like a great music player, a great pocket-sized movie viewer, a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ? Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly because of the poor screen res offered in the competition. >> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's >> mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a fantastic way to share images, a great PDA... do any of these sound > useful (not for you alone -- to any consumer) ? But it doesn't so any of these any better than many other Smartphones and in some cases (particularly the PDA functionality) falls far short of mot smartphones. The GUI may be cool, but the functionality behind it is extremely pedestrian. > Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly > because of the poor screen res offered in the competition. Actually, quite a few do these days. >>>When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's >>>mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Actually, quite a few do these days. Not to mention onboard GPS radios. >> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's >> mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly > because of the poor screen res offered in the competition. So why, with all that built-in horsepower, doesn't it offer voice dialing? As we get more restrictions (for good reason) on use of cell phones in cars, voice dialing would seem like a good thing to have. For that matter, it might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you don't even have to look at it to know whether to answer or not. Could be that that's a feature it already has though. If not, seems like an opportunity for someone. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com >>> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then >>> it's mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles > www.ChainReactionBicycles.com Wait a minute- the whyphone doesn't have voice dialing? Never thought to test for that. No mention of it on the website, either. Even my teenager's low-end free Sanyo has voice dialing- true voice recognition at that. I can hear Oxtard now- they didn't include it because the technology is not good enough for such a superior product. Of course, the only way they could improve on the current generationof mobile voice recognition software would be to have it read your mind. Wow- this phone is turining out to be a bigger piece of crap than I could have ever imagined. > Wait a minute- the whyphone doesn't have voice dialing? Never thought to > test for that. No mention of it on the website, either. Even my teenager's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > could improve on the current generationof mobile voice recognition software > would be to have it read your mind. Or that Jobs claimed that voice dialing used too much power! Or maybe voice-dialing will be something that you can download from iTunes for 99¢ per name. In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T Tilt (HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is also a lot more expensive, and lacks the ease of use of the iPhone in several ways. The 8925 is for geeks, the iPhone is for the masses that appreciate a product that doesn't have a long learning curve. > In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure > the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS > functionality, in order to compete against products like the AT&T > Tilt (HTC 8925). But the HTC 8925, while much more capable, is > also a lot more expensive, It's $299 w/2-year contract, but $549 without. > and lacks the ease of use of the iPhone in several ways. Certainly. > The 8925 is for geeks, the iPhone is for the masses that appreciate > a product that doesn't have a long learning curve. Agreed. Since I'm certainly a geek, I'm chaffing at the bit for the T-Mo version of the Tilt, supposedly available in February... >> In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure >> the second rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's $299 w/2-year contract, but $549 without. I saw an ad last week for $249 with contract. But that's the thing, a lot of us don't want to be on AT&T contracts, because the AT&T coverage isn't so great. This is why the massive effort to unlock the iPhone happened, and also why sales were less than expectations forcing a price cut. > > At 18 Nov 2007 16:24:15 -0800 SMS æ¯èæâ¢ å¤ wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > lot of us don't want to be on AT&T contracts, because the AT&T coverage > isn't so great. Sure it is -- it's fantastic! I never lose a call, never lose signal. (See, you can't make broad claims on things that are either subjective or really varying from region to region!) > This is why the massive effort to unlock the iPhone > happened, and also why sales were less than expectations forcing a price > cut. I don't think it was a 'massive' effort so much as a _publicized_ one. Lots of people were writing about it, almost entirely online. Look back at the players, you'll see it looks like quite a small effort, it just happened to be for a well-discussed item. > Or that Jobs claimed that voice dialing used too much power! Or maybe > voice-dialing will be something that you can download from iTunes for 99¢ > per name. Steve is the P. T. Barnum of our age. He is great at finding suckers > In any case, never buy the first version of a product, I'm sure the second > rev of the iPhone will add 3G, voice-dialing, and GPS functionality, in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > iPhone is for the masses that appreciate a product that doesn't have a > long learning curve. Well, I have an HTC 8925 (Tilt). Fortunately someone decided that *I* could figure out when I wanted to use 3G (or not), wifi (or not), GPS (or not., SMS (or not), expandable memory (or not), Voicecommand (or not), third party program (or not), custom software (or not), replaceable battery (or not), Bluetooth (or not), and so on.. Key is, I made/make those decisions for myself, rather than have someone else make them for me. BTW, my battery life on the 8925 is just fine. Now that's an amazing piece of technology. It seems to me that once you get past the basics, you encounter a learning curve. A Nikon is harder to use than an instamatic. Component stereo is harder to use than a boombox. A Porsche is harder to drive than a Chevy. And on, and on, and on. Harder to learn does not equal inferior. Don > It seems to me that once you get past the basics, you encounter a learning > curve. A Nikon is harder to use than an instamatic. Component stereo is > harder to use than a boombox. A Porsche is harder to drive than a Chevy. > And on, and on, and on. Harder to learn does not equal inferior. I agree, but for a lot of users, they will simply never even try to learn how to operate something more complex. Usually there's a logical structure to how a device works, but you have to understand that structure. I.e., to me, it's perfectly logical that to watch TV I have to: a) turn on the audio receiver and distribution center, and select "Cable/SAT" (two key presses). b) turn on the televison (two key presses). c) select the TV input (TV/video) (one key press). d) turn on the satellite receiver (two ket presses). e) select the channel by a variety of method, including scrolling, through the listings, or just scrolling through the channels. The kids get it, I get it, but the spousal unit, who can operate extremely complex medical equipment, took a long time to understand it. And of course visitors usually have a hard time with it. Of course there's also the old adage, "Design a system that even an idiot can use, and only an idiot will want to use it." > >> When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's > >> mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > So why, with all that built-in horsepower, doesn't it offer voice dialing? I don't see any reference to 'horsepower' above, but I don't know why it doesn't offer voice dialing. > As we get more restrictions (for good reason) on use of cell phones in cars, > voice dialing would seem like a good thing to have. Uh... because you want to support use of cell phones in cars, in spite of the good reasons? Cell phone use isn't a bad idea only because you use a hand for it -- it's because people aren't thinking about driving when they do it. > For that matter, it > might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you > don't even have to look at it to know whether to answer or not. Could be > that that's a feature it already has though. If not, seems like an > opportunity for someone. Interesting. I know phones can customize ringtones by user, I don't know if iPhone can do it already. It would seem clear that it could with a software update, since the hardware and software already show the caller. > > For that matter, it > > might be nice if the phone could tell you (via voice) who's calling, so you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with a software update, since the hardware and software already show > the caller. you can easily do that with iToner... http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/itoner/ > > When the iPhone moves up to the 3G standard it may sell, until then it's > > mainly for gadget freaks. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Note that few other devices offer most of those together -- mostly > because of the poor screen res offered in the competition. Just got back from Japan and had a very easy time using all the free Wi-Fi available to access web and email from my iPhone. The large screen makes it all so efficient. What a great device! SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > All the Apple haters who tried to put a negative spin on the original > iPhone rollout last June were proven wrong, when Apple exceed all > projections for sales and profits, and history is repeating now in > Europe, and will again next year in Asia Why do you think so? Are they issueing an updated and modern version of the outdated current iphone? > > http://snipurl.com/1tizg > > The corrections came as fast as I suspected... There have been no corrections so far. > http://guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/12/telecoms.apple > "Erskine stressed it is 'early days' and refused to give an exact figure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > queues seen outside stores when the device launched in the US over the > summer..." but CNN still disagrees with you... http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-20911760.ht m > > The corrections came as fast as I suspected... > CNN still disagrees with you... > > http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013- > 20911760.htm Um, no they don't- the correction was posted a few hours later, as I predicted: money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-20913866.htm "CORRECTION 02 Europe chief executive encouraged by early iPhone sales November 12, 2007: 08:43 AM EST (Corrects iPhone sales figure to read tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands)" I already posted this correction once- apparently you missed it. Interesting that CNN leaves an incorrect news article up even after publishing the correction. Sloppy of them. Maybe the "Dewey beats Truman" article is still in their archives! ;-) > Um, no they don't- the correction was posted a few hours later, as I > predicted: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > publishing the correction. Sloppy of them. Maybe the "Dewey beats > Truman" article is still in their archives! ;-) yeah, that is a mistake on their part... i thought maybe i still had it cached, but guess not... they still sold a bit over 100,000 in europe, not bad for 72 hours. - >>Um, no they don't- the correction was posted a few hours later, as I >>predicted: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Heard a report on NPR's Marketplace radio program this morning that several business reporting agencies have reported that the initial sales numbers for the iPhone in Europe have been "disappointing". > Heard a report on NPR's Marketplace radio program this morning that > several business reporting agencies have reported that the initial sales > numbers for the iPhone in Europe have been "disappointing". and every one of those reports came from companies not allowed to sell the iphone. Britain's largest carrier O2, simply had this to say: it's "the fastest selling device we have ever seen". stick with FACTS Stephan, it will help your reputation. > As predicted, the iFlop is off to an extremely strong start in Europe Who really gives a flying f.ck Oxtard, it has NOTHING to do with Nokia and most of the other newsgroups you are SPAMMING. Have fun with your iFlop but don't CRAP on about it like a broken record. SignatureThe views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> > Have fun with your iFlop but don't CRAP on about it like a broken record. Oxtardiarrhea. >> As predicted, the iFlop is off to an extremely strong start in Europe > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Have fun with your iFlop but don't CRAP on about it like a broken > record. please report him to news@qwest.net > please report him to news@qwest.net Is that his Internet Service Provider? SignatureThe views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> >> please report him to news@qwest.net > > Is that his Internet Service Provider? That's his news provider and most likely his ISP too > As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, > breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's > the best selling phone they have ever had! God, this iPhone crap is getting very annoying. Time for a "PLONK" for Oxford and iPhone........ >> As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, >> breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's >> the best selling phone they have ever had! > > God, this iPhone crap is getting very annoying. Time for a "PLONK" for > Oxford and iPhone........ Couldnt agree more. I mean, keep the iPoop discussion to the att and iphone groups, not the Verizon, Nokia, and T-Mobile groups. > > As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, > > breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's > > the best selling phone they have ever had! > > God, this iPhone crap is getting very annoying. Time for a "PLONK" for > Oxford and iPhone........ So what's stopping you? SignatureTo reply by email, remove the word "space" > As predicted, the iPhone is off to an extremely strong start in Europe, > breaking records in many cases. O2, Britian's largest carrier says it's > the best selling phone they have ever had! Europeans are homos and they don't bathe. |
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