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NEWS: iPhone tops Windows Mobile for Web Browsing

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Ron - 04 Dec 2007 21:52 GMT
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=106&qpmr
=14&qpdt=1&qpct=0&sample=4


In less than 6 months iPhone has surpassed all Windows Mobile devices
put together.
4phun - 04 Dec 2007 23:58 GMT
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qp...
>
> In less than 6 months iPhone has surpassed all Windows Mobile devices
> put together.

Is this due to a better user interface?  Larger screen?
What do you think caused the iPhone to surpass all Windows Mobile
devices?

This news is also interesting because the iPhone is only found on the
AT&T network in the USA. Phones which use Windows Mobile are found on
every last one of them including AT&T.

BTW did anyone notice the AT&T DSL network was down for nine hours for
some reason yesterday?.
Kevin Weaver - 05 Dec 2007 00:07 GMT
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qp...
>>
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> BTW did anyone notice the AT&T DSL network was down for nine hours for
> some reason yesterday?.

Your area, mine was up all day.
Kurt - 05 Dec 2007 01:19 GMT
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> > http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qp...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> BTW did anyone notice the AT&T DSL network was down for nine hours for
> some reason yesterday?.

You talk like it was nationwide. It's been years since I've had an ATT
DSL outage. Worked fine for me.

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Ron - 05 Dec 2007 03:38 GMT
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qp...
>>
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>BTW did anyone notice the AT&T DSL network was down for nine hours for
>some reason yesterday?.

It was down in Bell South Territory.  It was up without issue in SBC
territory.
The Ghost of General Lee - 05 Dec 2007 04:47 GMT
>>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qp...
>>>
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>It was down in Bell South Territory.  It was up without issue in SBC
>territory.

And according to all reports I've seen in the bellsouth.* groups, it
was merely another DNS issue.  Bellsouth is famous for them.  Many
manually switched to AT&T DNS servers and the problems instantly went
away.
Todd Allcock - 05 Dec 2007 07:13 GMT
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=106&
qpmr=14&qpdt=1&qpct=0&sample=4

> In less than 6 months iPhone has surpassed all Windows Mobile devices
> put together.

Very impressive.

That report says that more iPhones were used for _web browsing_  (i.e. hit
more webpages) that WinMo-based phones, and acknowledges that it doesn't
reflect sales of phones.

The last sales figures I found posted for WinMo phones (from Gartner) were
3.1 million in 1Q '07.
Larry - 05 Dec 2007 14:36 GMT
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fj5jba
$533$1@aioe.org:

> Very impressive.

Now, let's compare it with Opera 8 or Firefox's new tablet on an
800 pixel wide, N800 screen.....(c;

No comparison....

Larry
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you're downloads threaten their networks......
....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Kurt - 05 Dec 2007 16:23 GMT
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fj5jba
> $533$1@aioe.org:
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>
> Larry

The N800 weighs half a pound and is twice the size.
No comparison.

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Larry - 05 Dec 2007 18:21 GMT
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-
493D72.08232105122007@news.giganews.com:

> The N800 weighs half a pound and is twice the size.
> No comparison.

Hmm....You must have seen a different one....

Size N800

   * Weight: 206 g (206-135=71g heavier)
   * Length: 75 mm (75mm-61mm=14mm longer)
   * Width: 144 mm (144mm-115mm=29mm wider)
   * Thickness: 13 (/18) mm (18-11.6=6.4mm thicker)

Size and weight iPhone

   * Height: 4.5 inches (115 mm)
   * Width: 2.4 inches (61 mm)
   * Depth: 0.46 inch (11.6 mm)
   * Weight: 4.8 ounces (135 grams)

Not anywhere near double in size.  Real speakers and a changeable
battery and memory cards aren't THAT heavy...(c;

Of course, mine weighs lots more if you consider all those
PROGRAMS and VIRTUAL PALM PILOT I've added to it....(c;

Larry
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All this doesn't really matter.  I don't have to hold mine to my
ear to talk on the phone....which looks really silly no matter
how you spin it.

CozmicDebris - 05 Dec 2007 18:51 GMT
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns99FD8836F2FBEnoonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:

> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-
> 493D72.08232105122007@news.giganews.com:
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>
> Larry

You'll have to excuse Kurt- his view of the world is somewhat skewed, due
to the position of his head up the Apple corporate a.s.
Larry - 05 Dec 2007 19:36 GMT
> You'll have to excuse Kurt- his view of the world is somewhat skewed,
> due to the position of his head up the Apple corporate a.s.

He was usin' an Apple measuring stick on the N800...(c;

Over at Best Buy, one of the Apple boys said, in reference to the
N800 someone had asked me about, "It isn't a PDA, either."

It was priceless.  "Yes, er, ah, it is.", I smiled.  Just the day
before I had mounted the beta version of Garnet Virtual Palm OS
Machine on it:
http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/index.html
adding another 30,000 or so more programs it can now run...or
will very soon.  VM is in beta and is free.  I'm hoping they'll
turn it 90 degrees to landscape mode so it fills the screen in
the final release, but, functionally, it sync'd right up with my
Palm Desktop and runs all the Palm software I had installed on my
little Pilots, before.  It syncs over the wifi or internet if
you're "out" somewhere.  You do have to tunnel it through the
router's firewall, before you go.  Paying SELLphone to sync it
is, of course, unnecessary.

It even made Palm Pilot noises during the demo on the stereo
speakers in front.......PRICELESS...(c;

Larry
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Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
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....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Todd Allcock - 05 Dec 2007 20:22 GMT
> You'll have to excuse Kurt- his view of the world is somewhat skewed,
> due to the position of his head up the Apple corporate a.s.

Personally, I find Kurt's positions quite reasonable.  Unlike the Oxfords
of the world, Kurt doesn't pretend his iPhone is the be-all, end-all,
device for everyone, just that it's the best mobile device for HIS needs.

Equally, I'd never suggest it isn't the right phone for him, despite the
fact it isn't for me.
Kurt - 05 Dec 2007 23:10 GMT
> > You'll have to excuse Kurt- his view of the world is somewhat skewed,
> > due to the position of his head up the Apple corporate a.s.
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> Equally, I'd never suggest it isn't the right phone for him, despite the
> fact it isn't for me.

Exactly. I saw the N800 and saw large device that does a whole lotta
stuff I'll never need. Never been a fan of 3rd party apps the way they
wreaked hovoc on my Treo. Aside from the techies (like all you guys) I
think most of the world want a device that is small, works fast and has
a good amount of functionality.
I can't imagine navigating around the N800 being any easier than the
iPhone.  The N800 looks potentially like a great travel replacement for
a laptop, but having to add hardware on to get it more like one makes me
prefer a small laptop. Waiting to see what Apple unveils in January.

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Larry - 06 Dec 2007 04:20 GMT
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-
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> Exactly. I saw the N800 and saw large device that does a whole lotta
> stuff I'll never need. Never been a fan of 3rd party apps the way they
> wreaked hovoc on my Treo. Aside from the techies (like all you guys) I
> think most of the world want a device that is small, works fast and has
> a good amount of functionality.

The functionality comes from the apps, not from the hardware
companies.  If you wanted an pocket webTV appliance, I suppose
you did the right thing.  I just can't imagine using something as
big as the iPhone for a PHONE, though.  It's too big for a phone
and every time I see someone using it, as soon as they hang up,
they go into this polishing routine to get their face off it with
the "cleaning cloth" I think it comes with.

> I can't imagine navigating around the N800 being any easier than the
> iPhone.  The N800 looks potentially like a great travel replacement for
> a laptop, but having to add hardware on to get it more like one makes me
> prefer a small laptop. Waiting to see what Apple unveils in January.

To navigate around the web browser you click the icon in the
upper left corner of its desktop.  Pick your favorite from the
list, just like Iphone sliding your greasy fingers over the
window if you don't like the clean stylus that doesn't need
Windex after use.  The browser opens and loads the WHOLE webpage,
not some "custom" piece of it.  The + and - buttons magnify the
display up to 320% if you want it bigger.  It scrolls many
ways...with the scroll button, dragging your greasy finger or
stylus over the display, or using the same dragbars any PC or Mac
uses with stylus or your BT mouse if you want one.  Other than
the touchscreen, it works just like any PC.  The center button on
top of it toggles full screen if you like.  Full screen leaves
the URL line at the bottom with the useful controls, including
the favorites on the lower left.  It's nothing special, which is
its point.  Click the URL with the stylus brings up the stylus
keyboard.  Click it with your finger fills the screen with a
BIGGER-than-iphone finger keyboard for easy typing, unless you
have a BT keyboard attached which supercedes the screen keyboards
automatically.

Let's face reality, NONE of the tablets, including the N810 with
slideout keyboard, are anything you want to type this message on.  
But, with the Nokias, the BT keyboard, after a little adjustment
for the 3 to 4 use keys, gives you your laptop keyboard back WHEN
YOU WANT IT....not continuously like the laptop when you don't
need it.  Again, N800 has a choice.  I don't like the N810
slideout keyboard any more than the one on the Sony pocket PC or
any PDA...They just don't fit a typist, at all.  I wanted a real
keyboard the day I got it.  I'm a typist.

Navigating the N800's functions is, like the Linux GUIs its roots
came from, MUCH easier than any Windoze device.  For instance, I
don't have to hunt for software on the webpages.  All tablet
software also loads its presence into the Application Manager.  
You click the app launcher in the middle on the left of the main
screen, Click TOOLS, pick Application Manager and it opens.  
There are 3 buttons.  What's already installed, so you can
uninstall it.....What's available to install, so you can pick
what's new to install.  (It updates itself from Maemo.org before
its list loads so the list is fresh.)  The third button is Update
what is already installed, because there are hundreds of
programmers with complete access to the open source software that
are constantly saying, "Wouldn't it be neat if this....." and can
add their ideas to everyone else's ideas, making the next upgrade
if the community on the project agrees.  To update ALL your
installed software, except the kernel of course, you click UPDATE
after it lists what has updates available....and it just does it.  
To update the OS, or restore it if you trash it, you plug it into
the USB port on a Windows box, download the OS firmware installer
and press OK.  If you screw up the firmware upgrade, you just run
it over again and all is forgiven....unlike my damned Netgear
Skype Phone whos upgrade to ver .46 trashed the wifi connection
to my Netgear router...or anyone elses.  It's going back to
Netgear, again.  All the software I've installed, including the
new Garnet Palm Virtual Machine for running Palm software, has
only used a fraction of the onboard 128M of memory.  There's no
programs on the 2 8GB SD cards at all.  I still have 70M of free
space.  Linux programs are really tiny for what they do.

The N800 is NOT a travel replacement for a good laptop with hard
drives, big screen you can stand to watch for hours, business
software your income depends on for survival.  That would be a
lie.  N800 IS the most addictive mobile toy I've even owned,
though.  All these are TOYS, iPhone included.  I just think N800
is much closer to the laptop than any tablet controlled by the
money mongers that run SELLphone companies trying to bleed you
dry selling you something that SHOULD have either come with it,
or been available for a ONE TIME charge, not a monthly fleece
which is what ALL Sellphone companies aim to do....lock it up and
screw 'em.  SELLphones are only good for mobile modems.

Now, for the adventurists, there's Xterm....Luckily, recovery
from the PC installer, while erasing EVERYTHING you EVER
installed, yourself, if you didn't backup your stuff to a memory
card, is easy.  Not everyone should be allowed to boot Xterm on
any Linux box....probably me included...(c;  Any software that
croaks a Linux box, usually doesn't trash it.  This is also true
of the N800 hackerware under development.  Just uninstall it and
you're back running.  Lots of it I had no use for, like the
interactive periodic table of the elements or mathematics
graphing software.  I didn't have any use for gnumeric
spreadsheet, at first, until I figured out it works great with my
Excel spreadsheets off the big boxes....if you squint...(c;

Sure makes a great Skype phone replacement for the crappy Netgear
I keep in the bedroom....(sigh)  Wish Skype would hurry up and
make a driver for the little webcam I miss from the laptop,
though.

Larry
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....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Kurt - 06 Dec 2007 16:44 GMT
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-
> FF4860.15105305122007@news.giganews.com:
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> they go into this polishing routine to get their face off it with
> the "cleaning cloth" I think it comes with.

I use Invisible Shield (similar coating they use on helicoptor rotors),
no smudges. Can't imagine what you mean about it being big, it's smaller
than my Treo was. Fits in my front pants pocket, flat.
No goofy holsters.

> > I can't imagine navigating around the N800 being any easier
> than the
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> any PDA...They just don't fit a typist, at all.  I wanted a real
> keyboard the day I got it.  I'm a typist.

Now see, I wanted a phone that did web, email and contacts all easily
synched with my desktop. To click virtually one button to get something
is great. I wanted it small, but functional. iTunes is a nice bonus.

iPhone keyboard is plenty big when you turn screen from portrait to
landscape mode (Another great feature).

I think the N800 is a great tablet, and good for those who do a lot of
typing. It's also still kind of what you call "WebTV" just bigger, with
more features.

How do you carry yours around?

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Tim Smith - 10 Dec 2007 06:03 GMT
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-
> 493D72.08232105122007@news.giganews.com:
>
>> The N800 weighs half a pound and is twice the size.
>> No comparison.
...
> Size N800
>
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>
> Not anywhere near double in size.  Real speakers and a changeable

1.68 times the size.
 
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