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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / December 2007Everyone knew the iPhone was a success, but wow!
In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by Symbian. That puts the iPhone ahead of smartphones running Symbian, Linux, and the Palm OS, but behind the first place RIM BlackBerry. The figures mesh with retail sales data already reported by NPD, which similarly described the size of the US market with a 27% chunk bit out by Apple¹s iPhone. Full details and a nice chart can be located here: http://snipurl.com/1vatb Enjoy! The iPhone is freakishly well done, if you don't have one yet, you will in a matter of time. Congrats to Apple for finally setting the Cell World in the correct direction. Cell companies are notorious for foisting poor quality handset on their users, so it's good to see Apple has stepped in to up the bar by 200+ levels. Apple will be the largest handset maker within 5 years... you can bank on it. All because the poor management that currently exists within the Cell Industry. Zero competition within the cell industry has made an easy entry point for Apple to exploit. http://www.iphone.com/ Learn to develop for the most popular cell phone here: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/ - >In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past >Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North >America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by >Symbian. WHAT???? A NOKIA IPHONE????? that's really hot news ;-) > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting their phone system to GSM as already noted. IMHO if you put big bucks in a CDMA phone you better figure it will be worth nothing in a few years. That should be no problem for most people who throw them away anyway as most are pieces of junk compared to the iPhone. Here is the link about cellular future in the WEST. http://www.3gamericas.org/English/news_room/DisplayPressRelease.cfm?id=3137&s=ENG or today's comment on the above at phonescoop http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2599 >> - > > Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and > South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple > choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting > their phone system to GSM as already noted. The platform that Verizon is looking at is much more like the CDMA platform than the GSM platform currently in use. >>> - >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > platform > than the GSM platform currently in use. I'd say this is not as simple - either way. Now, even though UTRAN LTE (which is what's we're talking about here) is more tightly coupled (and developed by) with 3GPP (than 3GPP2), it is planned to also offer interworking between LTE (in addition to GSM and WCDMA) and 3GPP2 (CDMA) systems. I'd guess this is important to say, for example VZW (Verizon Wireless). For more information on UTRAN LTE , one place to start could be the 3GPP pages, see http://www.3gpp.org/Highlights/LTE/LTE.htm > Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and > South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple > choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting > their phone system to GSM as already noted. Actually, CDMA continues to gain market share at the expense of GSM worldwide, and in North America has the largest subscriber base (which is why Apple went to Verizon with the iPhone first). The reason Verizon passed AT&T in the number of subscribers is because of their superior network. See the latest Consumer Reports for details. This is the reason that Apple approached Verizon first, they didn't care about GSM versus CDMA, they wanted the premium carrier for their new product. It's all moot, as the entire world is moving to CDMA, albeit a different version than the one used by Verizon, Sprint, and the carriers in Korea. > Actually, CDMA continues to gain market share at the expense of GSM > worldwide, and in North America has the largest subscriber base (which > is why Apple went to Verizon with the iPhone first). Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy company and charges high licensing fees. GSM is an open standard whereas CDMA is propietary. Apple went to Verizon at first as there IS MORE U.S CDMA customers than GSM customers. APPLE wanted to lock down its Iphone which is very common on CDMA systems. Verizon, the largest of the CDMA providers didn't want to play ball, therefore, Apple went to the next largest market penetration. That would be AT&T/Cingular  SignatureFrom the Desk of the Sysop of: Planet Maca's Opus, a Free open BBS system. telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org Web Site: http://pinkrose.dhis.org, Dialup 860-618-3091 300-33600 bps The New Cnews maintainer B'ichela > Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go > with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > providers didn't want to play ball, therefore, Apple went to the next > largest market penetration. That would be AT&T/Cingular The more likely scenario is that Verizon wanted to cripple the phone like they do all of their others, and Apple told them to get lost. >> Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go >> with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The more likely scenario is that Verizon wanted to cripple the phone > like they do all of their others, and Apple told them to get lost. No. Verizon turned Apple down. > No. Verizon turned Apple down. Regardless, Verizon still sucks due to their predatory business practices. >> No. Verizon turned Apple down. > > Regardless, Verizon still sucks due to their predatory business > practices. While their business practices may suck, and I've criticized them repeatedly for some of the crap they pull, you of course understand how they've now managed to pass AT&T in retail subscribers. Every survey of users as to what matters most to them gives the same result--coverage. Handset selection is usually somewhere near the bottom of the survey results. If you look at Consumer Reports, JD Power, or any other independent survey, the results are always the same, and always overwhelming when it comes to coverage comparisons. In Consumer Reports it's listed as "No Service." In 17 out of 20 markets, Verizon had the best score for "No Service," while in the other three they were tied with Alltel. > While their business practices may suck, and I've criticized them > repeatedly for some of the crap they pull, you of course understand how > they've now managed to pass AT&T in retail subscribers. No way I'll stand up for AT&T. I use TMO. Although this area is heavily Verizon, I've had no problems with coverage. But I'm guessing that the reason Apple didn't go with Verizon is because Verizon wanted to cripple the iPhone like they do the rest of their phones and Apple wouldn't let them. I'm hoping to see a non-carrier specific version of the iPhone at MacWorld in a couple weeks so I can dump my RAZR when my contract is up later this year. > But I'm guessing that the reason Apple didn't go with Verizon is > because Verizon wanted to cripple the iPhone like they do the rest of > their phones and Apple wouldn't let them. I doubt it. Apple did the kind of things that Verizon does. I.e. if you want to use an iTunes song as a ring tone you have to pay twice, once for the song and once to use it as a ringtone. People complain about Verizon disabling ringtone creation in Motorola Phone Tools, with good reason, what Verizon did was a despicable act because they thought it would cut into ringtone sales. But when Jobs announced the ability to pay a second time for iTunes songs to be used as ringtones, he got thunderous applause. Verizon would not pay Apple a monthly fee per handset. They were willing to give up the customers that chose AT&T solely for the iPhone availability. I think it was a dumb decision by Verizon, but then I don't have access to all the studies led to their decision. > ... when Jobs announced the ability to > pay a second time for iTunes songs to be used as ringtones, he got > thunderous applause. Expected reaction by fan-sheep. > I'm hoping to see a non-carrier specific version of the iPhone at > MacWorld in a couple weeks so I can dump my RAZR when my contract is up > later this year. You reaize that AT&T has a multi-year exclusivity contract for the iPhone, right? (The pundits are claiming five years, though AT&T and Apple are, AFAIK, publicily silent about the terms.) You're better off just buying an unlocked one if you really want an iPhone. > You reaize that AT&T has a multi-year exclusivity contract for the iPhone, > right? (The pundits are claiming five years, though AT&T and Apple are, > AFAIK, publicily silent about the terms.) I know that. But they can come out with a different model that's not locked to a crappy carriet. > You're better off just buying an unlocked one if you really want an iPhone. I've considered that option too...or just buying one and unlocking it myself. > > You reaize that AT&T has a multi-year exclusivity contract for > > the iPhone, right? (The pundits are claiming five years, though > > AT&T and Apple are, AFAIK, publicily silent about the terms.) > > I know that. But they can come out with a different model that's not > locked to a crappy carriet. Somehow I think AT&T's lawyers just might have considered that possibility during the negotiations! You won't be seeing a competing unlocked mobile phone from Apple in the US. Buying an overseas grey market unlocked iPhone (from a country that requires unocked phones) is a possibility, however simply unlocking an AT&T locked model would be cheaper. Mark Thompson <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in news:markt- C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net: > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North > America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by > Symbian. That's funny- Microsoft doesn't have a lineup of phones. In fact, Microsoft doesn't sell a single phone. Oxtard and his sockpuppets need to get an education. > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North > America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by > Symbian. <SNIP> Is this Oxtard forgetting to use his alias? SignatureThe views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. <http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452> Oxtard sock puppet alert!! > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - > Oxtard sock puppet alert!! > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> - Microsoft, Apple, Symbian, don't act stupid guys, u all get the point, or maybe u don't... -and how many shares of Apple are you holding? > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your Iphone. > > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > > As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your Iphone. If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't be the success it is. Dennis Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-) Signaturenadie >> >> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dennis > Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-) And they'd have to cripple it. > > Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-) > > And they'd have to cripple it. How true. They'd probably remove all bluetooth support except headset profile, disallow it's use as a cellular modem, and prevent buying music via iTunes via cellular... ...Hey! Wait a minute,... On Dec 19, 10:58 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote: > > > Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ...Hey! Wait a minute,... LOL exactly 100% correct.. Apple is no different from the big V... the phone is already crippled just as much as ANY VERIZON PHONE... 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:e0c95598-9143-4ec7-906d-875f9aa5185f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com: >> - > Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and > South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple > choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting > their phone system to GSM as already noted. Thats retarded, you know Apple went to verizon and the FCC with a CDMA handset FIRST.... Verizon turned them down, so they went to ATT and GSM... Plus, the 4G/LTE GSM system Verizon is testing is nothing like the GSM the Hype-Phone uses... You are an idiot.. . >> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed >> > past [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dennis How much more crippled could it be and still be worth buying? > >> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > How much more crippled could it be and still be worth buying? Look at the Voyager for your answer. People buy that because they can't get an iPhone from Verizon. If you happen to live in the vast areas of this country where you can't even get an EVDO signal from Verizon you will find all their phones are crippled by having to use the butt ugly slow Verizon 1 RX. Network. The Voyager is crippled even more since it can not connect to WIFI in these areas. This is a real bummer for students who usually are covered by WIFI on most college campuses. >> DennisC <dennis_crow...@charter.net> wrote >> innews:0cb8ea25-1afe-44eb-96f4-6ba471f8c19c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.c [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > these areas. This is a real bummer for students who usually are > covered by WIFI on most college campuses. And how does any of that comment on the list of features that you so conveniently clipped? GPS Voice Dialing PUSH email syncing Limited web capapbility- not all media formats supported. Your wifi argument is lame- the chances of findng EVDO in a rural area is no worse than finding a wifi hotspot. The Voyager has more functionality than the iPhone, which is ridiculously funny considering the fact that it is tied to most locked down network on the planet. > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past > Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North > America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by > Symbian. Wow, I also hear McDonalds sold the most burgers. |
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