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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / February 2008iPhone news - Starbucks is dumping T-Mobile
Good news, iPhone lovers! Hurray for Starbucks! They will get Internet access for free from the comfort of their neighborhood Starbucks in new deal. http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/11/got-atandt-starbucks-delivers-wi-fi/ Starbucks is dumping T-Mobile and serving you up a fresh heaping venti of Wi-Fi goodness. And what's the crema on that espresso? Why, it's this: "AT&T will soon extend the benefits of Wi-Fi at Starbucks to its wireless customers". The press release says spring 2008 -- still a little ways away, but soon "millions of AT&T and Starbucks customers will get Internet access free from the comfort of their neighborhood Starbucks." A side note - AT&T also has announced a major network expansion where they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in 2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. >A side note - AT&T also has announced a major network expansion where >they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in >2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. The continuing 3G/UMTS/HSPA expansion has long been planned and isn't directly related to the iPhone.  SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:10ce3b31-4f16-4e68-b86c- a71364a89996@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > Why, it's this: "AT&T will soon extend the benefits of Wi-Fi at > Starbucks to its wireless customers". The press release says spring > 2008 -- still a little ways away, but soon "millions of AT&T and > Starbucks customers will get Internet access free from the comfort of > their neighborhood Starbucks." Wifi is free to everyone at Panera Bread Cafe across the parking lot from Starbucks. The coffee is better and the eats are SUPERB! Starbucky can suck eggs....(c; >4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:10ce3b31-4f16-4e68-b86c- >a71364a89996@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Wifi is free to everyone at Panera Bread Cafe across the parking lot from >Starbucks. The coffee is better and the eats are SUPERB! Likewise at my favorite micro-roastery, Pacific Bay Coffee in Walnut Creek, CA. SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford > Why, it's this: "AT&T will soon extend the benefits of Wi-Fi at > Starbucks to its wireless customers". The press release says spring > 2008 -- still a little ways away, but soon "millions of AT&T and > Starbucks customers will get Internet access free from the comfort of > their neighborhood Starbucks." What's great about coffee houses around here is that except for Starbucks, almost all them provide free wireless to all. Plus better coffee as well. Some Starbucks do have free wireless, but most don't. > A side note - AT&T also has announced a major network expansion where > they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in > 2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. Hallelujah. If it took the 3G iPhone to get AT&T moving on 3G, that's fine. Maybe some real 3G competition will drive down prices, since Verizon seems to be taking the classic monopolistic supply and demand attitude for 3G of "we have all the supply, so we can demand whatever the #$%^ we want." >> A side note - AT&T also has announced a major network expansion where >> they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >attitude for 3G of "we have all the supply, so we can demand whatever >the #$%^ we want." This is totally silly. 3G network coverage has been continually expanding; 3G coverage is very good; and there's just no evidence that the iPhone, a small fraction of total subscribers, has any bearing on the issue. SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford > >Hallelujah. If it took the 3G iPhone to get AT&T moving on 3G, that's > >fine. Maybe some real 3G competition will drive down prices, since [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the iPhone, a small fraction of total subscribers, has any bearing on > the issue. I have to agree with John (while at the same time feelin 'screw your Followup To: header to .cingular). As an owner of a 3g phone and having used it for laptop tethering in several cities, AT&T's 3g's availability seems better in my own experience than anywhere near comparable speeds with say Sprint, who some revere as having the best data network. But if a hot product expands that network even further so be it. However, I think the original poster pretending that the AT&T 3g network is crippled with the iPhone to save it may not be someone using a whole lot of 3G in different areas. -- Todd H. http://toddh.net/ > I have to agree with John (while at the same time feelin 'screw your > Followup To: header to .cingular). As an owner of a 3g phone and > having used it for laptop tethering in several cities, AT&T's 3g's > availability seems better in my own experience than anywhere near > comparable speeds with say Sprint, who some revere as having the best > data network. AT&T has rolled out 3G in the major markets, but there are a lot of smaller, but still urban, markets where Verizon and Sprint have had 3G for a long time, but where AT&T does not. I.e., I have a friend in Madison Wisconsin, which is a moderate size city, who switched to Sprint solely because AT&T had no 3G there yet. I guess that someone could plan their travels so they never visit a city where AT&T has not yet deployed 3G, and then proclaim that "in their experience" AT&T's 3G coverage is as good as Sprint's or Verizon's, and that this would technically be a true statement. But it smacks of one of "he who must not be named" earlier posts, advising that if you plan your travel routes in a way that you always have GSM coverage then GSM coverage is as good as CDMA or AMPS coverage. See "http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080207/bs_nf/58238" "Avi Greengart, an analyst with industry research firm Current Analysis, said that "the only thing surprising about this expansion is that it took them so long." Greengart added that AT&T's 3G network has not been as broad as those of Verizon Wireless or Sprint Nextel, and "this catches them up."" Given his history, you need to be very careful about agreeing with "he who must not be named," unless he provides irrefutable evidence to support his position, which is something that we've never seen happen yet, for obvious reasons. Okay, I'll be a good Gator and from now on remove all follow-ups from alt.cellular.cingular. >> I have to agree with John (while at the same time feelin 'screw your >> Followup To: header to .cingular). As an owner of a 3g phone and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Madison Wisconsin, which is a moderate size city, who switched to Sprint >solely because AT&T had no 3G there yet. Coverage is actually quite good in secondary markets, as shown below. >See "http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080207/bs_nf/58238" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Greengart added that AT&T's 3G network has not been as broad as those of >Verizon Wireless or Sprint Nextel, and "this catches them up."" The part you left out (surprise, surprise): AT&T is expanding its 3G footprint. The telecommunications giant announced Wednesday an expansion of its third-generation wireless broadband service to more than 80 cities in the U.S. before the end of this year. The rollout will mean AT&T's 3G service will be available in about 350 markets in the U.S., including the top 100 cities, and will add more than 1,500 cell sites. If we back out those 80 cities, we see that 3G is already available in 270 markets, far above the first year rollout, and very good nationwide coverage. AT&T said its 3G service will deliver downlink speeds between 600 and 1400 kbps. Previously, the announced downlink speed for its BroadbandConnect 3G network, as described on the AT&T Web site, has been 400 to 700 kbps, with bursts up to 1 megabit per second. I'm already seeing sustained speeds well over 1 Mbps here in the Bay Area, as noted in a prior post (complete with screen shot). To keep claiming Verizon is ahead is both silly and just plain wrong. SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford > But if a hot product expands that network even further so be it. This is what "some observers" say is happening. "The upgrade has another subtle effect: paving the way for a 3G iPhone. Last November, AT&T Chief Executive Randall Stephenson said a 3G-enabled iPhone would debut sometime in 2008. It did not surface at Macworld in January, to the disappointment of many fans. Some observers speculate that Apple (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) kept the device under wraps until AT&T, the exclusive wireless carrier for the iPhone in the United States, could expand its 3G network." "http://www.forbes.com/wireless/2008/02/07/ATT-3G-wireless-tech-wire-cx_ew_0227at t.html" With iPhone sales lagging, the key to reviving sales is to get the 3G model out as soon as possible. I was talking to an Apple employee that was web browsing on his iPhone yesterday on the train to SF, and I asked him when the 3G model was coming out. All he said was "soon, I hope." We don't know why Apple didn't put 3G in the first model. Some claim it was battery life, some claim it was that they wanted to wait until 3G was more widely deployed, some claim that with 2G they could do one model for the whole GSM world while with 3G they'd have to do two different models to keep costs under control. > With iPhone sales lagging, What planet do you live on? SignatureMike >> With iPhone sales lagging, > > What planet do you live on? You need to keep up. Here's some of many, many stories about what's going on: "http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2008/tc20080212_504818.htm?cha n=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories" "http://www.smartphonetoday.com/articles/2008/2/2008-2-13-A-Slowdown-For.html" "http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/11/apple_shares_rise_on_citi_recommen dation.html" The 3G iPhone, combined with a expanded AT&T 3G network, will get a lot of the patient, more tech-aware, non-early adopters, to buy the iPhone (plus of course a lot of the early-adopters will upgrade to the 3G model). >>> With iPhone sales lagging, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Here's some of many, many stories about what's going on: For every one of those I can find 100 that say the iPhone is doing just fine--and definitely inline with Apple's goal to sell 10 million by the end of this year. Sorry. SignatureMike >>>> With iPhone sales lagging, >>> What planet do you live on? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fine--and definitely inline with Apple's goal to sell 10 million by the end > of this year. Sorry. I doubt it. Plus of course Apple's stated goal is immaterial, company's set "goals" all the time, and they're unrelated to what's actually going on in the marketplace. All the experts agree that the iPhone is in a sales slump, only the reasons given for the slump sometimes differ. Some blame the recession, some claim that it's due to the cost (in the non-U.S. markets anyway), some claim that potential buyers are waiting for the 3G model, some claim that it's the lack of features such as voice dialing. A few weeks ago, a UK article blamed rumors of an upcoming 16GB model (which turned out to be true) for the slump in the UK. In reality, it's a combination of factors, though "I'll wait for the 3G model" is what I hear the most in my own circle of colleagues and friends. >>>>> With iPhone sales lagging, >>>> What planet do you live on? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I doubt it. I don't. They are halfway there already. > Plus of course Apple's stated goal is immaterial, > company's set "goals" all the time, and they're unrelated to what's > actually going on in the marketplace. All the experts agree that the > iPhone is in a sales slump, They claim the *economy* is in a slump. Big surprise there. > factors, though "I'll wait for the 3G model" is what I hear the most > in my own circle of colleagues and friends. I won't argue that some people have waited for the 3G model, no doubt about that. How many though, is the question. But aside from 3G Apple has not put all its cards on the table either. There are plenty of things the iPhone could use, and Apple can deliver, that can be rolled out this year (not that I am a fan of holding back features). Then there's the SDK that is due out before the end of this month. In a month the iPhone will be far from the completely locked down, no apps able to be added, device it was when it was released--and it still sold well in that form. Oh yea, and the hacking community just scored big over the last few weeks. Since firmware 1.1.2 was released back in October there had been no easy way to unlock the iPhone. Now there is, with ZiPhone, Geohot's tool (almost anyone can do it). With estimates of unlocked iPhones at 25% of all iPhones sold--and keep in mind it wasn't unlocked for the first two months of its existence--this will no doubt cause the unlockers to start buying in droves in case another update closes the holes used to get in. Well, if they can: Apple could sell more if they weren't so heavy-handed about it (limiting purchases, tracking credit cards to enforce, etc.). SignatureMike > I don't. They are halfway there already. It's not the Apple goal that I doubt, it's the contention that meeting that goal by the end of 2008 has any relationship to how well the iPhone is selling at this point in time. I'm sure they will meet their sales goal. By the end of 2008 the 3G model will be on sale, and there may be further price cuts, and the phone will be deployed into more markets around the world, and at lower prices. Remember how the met their last sales goal, they cut the price by 33%. You have to learn to look at the big picture when you look at marketing hype from any company. > Oh yea, and the hacking community just scored big over the last few weeks. > Since firmware 1.1.2 was released back in October there had been no easy way [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Apple could sell more if they weren't so heavy-handed about it (limiting > purchases, tracking credit cards to enforce, etc.). Well they've lightened up on that a little, now allowing more units per credit card. I guess Apple feels that selling less total units, but more AT&T activated units, is financially more desirable. >> Oh yea, and the hacking community just scored big over the last few >> weeks. Since firmware 1.1.2 was released back in October there had [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I guess Apple feels that selling less total units, but more AT&T > activated units, is financially more desirable. Apparently so, or perhaps their carrier agreements demand some sort of action on their part. But I don't think the logic means more people will go with AT&T, in meaningful numbers. Sure there are unlockers in the USA who chose to go with T-Mobile. But that doesn't seem to be a lot, and they might not have bought an iPhone at all if they had to go with AT&T (locked into a contract, better native T-Mobile coverage in their home area, etc.). By far most of the people I know with unlocked iPhones are in other countries. There are now thriving iPhone communities in most every country where it can be used, but without a sanctioned carrier (Taiwan, Vietnam, Russia, China, Singapore--you name it). The UK might be different, because the official carrier really offered crappy plans initially. That has now been changed, but even before the price drop I was seeing a lot of unlocked iPhone users converting over to "legitimate" users after the iPhone was released over there. SignatureMike >>> Oh yea, and the hacking community just scored big over the last few >>> weeks. Since firmware 1.1.2 was released back in October there had [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Apparently so, or perhaps their carrier agreements demand some sort of > action on their part. All they had to do was tell AT&T that they couldn't do anything to stop the unlocking. > But I don't think the logic means more people will go with AT&T, in > meaningful numbers. Sure there are unlockers in the USA who chose to go with > T-Mobile. But that doesn't seem to be a lot, and they might not have bought > an iPhone at all if they had to go with AT&T (locked into a contract, better > native T-Mobile coverage in their home area, etc.). Ironically AT&T probably cares less than Apple about the unlocking. It's not like that the people that are unlocking the iPhones and activating them on T-Mobile would have become $60/month AT&T customers if the iPhone was impossible to unlock. > By far most of the > people I know with unlocked iPhones are in other countries. There are now > thriving iPhone communities in most every country where it can be used, but > without a sanctioned carrier (Taiwan, Vietnam, Russia, China, Singapore--you > name it). I see a lot of it in the U.S. too. I can't extrapolate the three people I know personally that have unlocked the iPhone and are using it T-Mobile prepaid or SpeakOut prepaid, but I suspect the number is in the tens of thousands at least. >>>> With iPhone sales lagging, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >fine--and definitely inline with Apple's goal to sell 10 million by the end >of this year. Sorry. Of course. But Steven's quaint world view is never troubled by facts. Things are always the way he wants them to be, not as they are. SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford Why would iPhone users love this ? They can connect free for the 20.00 there paying each month. Unless It's the slow edge network there pissed at. :) Better have a full charge on that lame battery life. I can't understand my friend. He is always charging that thing every chance he gets. He can't even make it thru the day on a full battery. He starts the day with it fully charged. 8am turns it on and it's set to check email every 30 min's. By noon with no talking it's lost 30% Talks about 20 min's a day. By 2pm its down to half. He then checks his stocks does a few other things and makes a call at 4:30 via Bluetooth to his wife. By 5:00pm it's letting him know he has less then 20% left. Add any other mix to that bag and he can't make it a full day. Great battery life. NOT! My treo does all this at many times faster and lasts 3 times longer. Quicker recharge time and I can replace the battery in less then 30 secs and for less then half the price. > Good news, iPhone lovers! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in > 2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. > Good news, iPhone lovers! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in > 2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. Has anyone seen a list of those 80 new cities? Anyone know if Madison WI is on the list? >> A side note - AT&T also has announced a major network expansion where >> they will deploy their high speed 3G network to 80 more USA cities in >> 2008 in anticipation of the new 3G iPhone. > >Has anyone seen a list of those 80 new cities? Anyone know if Madison WI >is on the list? My guesses are: (a) that Madison might well be, since AT&T has installed many new towers in WI over the past two years, and those new towers are probably easily upgradable to UMTS/HSPA, and (b) that AT&T is probably waiting for the availability of HSUPA, since it's more efficient and less disruptive to jump all the way to full HSPA instead of making two smaller steps. SignatureBest regards, John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford |
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