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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / March 2008Dallasnews: Apple bites into handheld gaming
Apple bites into handheld gaming 12:00 AM CST on Saturday, March 8, 2008 vgodinez@dallasnews.com Is Apple finally getting serious about games? Could be. When Apple unveiled its platform for letting outside developers create software for the iPhone and iPod Touch this week, some of the first programs shown were games from Electronic Arts and Sega. And more game developers seem likely to hop on the Apple cart, since the iPhone and its cousin the iPod Touch are both tremendously popular and fairly powerful mobile computers. What's really cool is that the games won't be sold on traditional cartridges or discs, but will be available solely as downloadable files. Even better, you'll be able to purchase and download the titles wirelessly at any Wi-Fi hot spot without connecting your iPhone or Touch to a computer. While gamers have clamored for years for portable-game makers to embrace the concept of wireless downloads, both Sony and Nintendo have been reluctant to relinquish their grip on physical media. With downloadable titles, you don't have to worry about losing or scratching your games, you can play any game in your library without having to swap cartridges or discs, and games stored on a hard drive generally load faster than software that has to be accessed from removable media. At this point, though, I think Apple's foray into games is more of a threat to Sony than to Nintendo. Sony's slick, powerful and expensive PSP is designed to appeal to the same high-end gadget shopper who's also likely to crave the iPhone. If my iPhone can play top-notch games and make phone calls, what reason is there to own a PSP? On the other hand, while the Nintendo DS and the iPhone both use touch- screen technology, the DS is far more of a pure entertainment device targeted at younger buyers with less money to burn. Sure, most 10-year-olds would probably love to have a $400-plus iPhone, but parental indulgence goes only so far. A $130 DS Lite is simply competing for a different buyer. Granted, a PSP isn't that much pricier at $170, but there's no denying that the machine is designed to appeal to older gamers, since the PSP is also capable of playing music and movies, hopping onto the Web, and connecting to your home network. Now, Apple hasn't yet made clear how vigorously it plans to market the iPhone as a game platform. In some ways, though, it doesn't matter. If enough outside developers flock to the iPhone and iPod Touch as game platforms and start releasing cool, exclusive titles for the devices, gamers will follow. When the CEO of Electronic Arts gets onstage with Steve Jobs and trumpets the fact that his company is working on an iPhone version of Spore, one of the most anticipated games of all time, well, it's hard not to wonder if the handheld game industry is about to get a lot more interesting. Victor Godinez covers technology for The Dallas Morning News. Read more of his video-game coverage at punchbutton.beloblog .com. 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:21c64f83-2834-40c0-a997- 14e16f422a78@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > Spore, one of the most anticipated games of all time, Spore? Games of all times? I wonder how many newspaper pages Apple had to buy to force him to say THAT?!....(c; God that IS funny, though...(c; > 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:21c64f83-2834-40c0-a997- > 14e16f422a78@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > God that IS funny, though...(c; I never heard of spore till I watched it. Some are saying that the 2.0 is a new phone. It should be called a firmware update not a new phone as some are saying. Call it what you will. A phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use. Now add push mail to it and it's going to last even less. When they offer a user replaced battery, (One you can change) Then I may buy one. Almost every phone has a battery door. So all this is just apple getting more into your pocket. > Call it what you will. A phone with a battery life that sucks and > won't last thru a day of use. Zero credibility. My iPhone lasts much longer than my last smartphone, and that is with Bluetooth and WiFi on 24/7. And my last smartphone didn't even have WiFi. But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously.  SignatureMike > But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket. >>But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. > > WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and > objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket. Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example. >> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design >> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in >> your pocket. > > Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example. Pooh, the "fanboi" card. So hip. I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you neither own nor know anything about. Too funny... SignatureMike >>>WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design >>>flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you > neither own nor know anything about. Too funny... Pooh, yourself. Fashion victims are too hip. In their own minds... I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one. On 3/8/08 3:44 PM, in article dM2dnUyxbvRMlU7anZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Group.name> wrote: >>>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design >>>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC > GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one. You are a dinosaur. > On 3/8/08 3:44 PM, in article > dM2dnUyxbvRMlU7anZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Group.name> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one. > You are a dinosaur. And you're a lemming. > > I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC > > GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one. > > You are a dinosaur. Yeah but he's a dinosaur with GPS, and has push e-mail now, rather than this summer... ;-) >>>I've used one, and it pales in comparison to the two year old PocketPC >>>GPS GSM phone I continue to use; no, I wouldn't own one. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah but he's a dinosaur with GPS, and has push e-mail now, rather than > this summer... ;-) Tools, not toys... On 3/8/08 3:34 PM, in article 63gf16F27ffq8U1@mid.individual.net, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote: >>> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design >>> flaws, and objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I love watching you idiots get yer panties in a twist over a device you > neither own nor know anything about. Too funny... It's just that they don't have anything else to do. Sooooo obvious! On 3/8/08 12:52 PM, in article oOydnYq3bq7hfU_anZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@speakeasy.net, "News" <News@Group.name> wrote: >>> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. >> >> WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and >> objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket. > > Issues that a fanboi might be blind to... for example. A 'hateboi' observation, no less... >> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, >> obviously. > > WE don't "hate it". What's this "we" sh.t? You weren't in that group. Your opinion means so little it's irrelevant. Go back to ogling the toothless wonders at Waffle House... I'm sure you're a big man over there. <chuckle> SignatureMike On 3/8/08 12:44 PM, in article Xns9A5B8CAC2DCB9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253, >> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. > > WE don't "hate it". We merely point out its omissions, design flaws, and > objectives, a WebTV device that acts like a Box Office in your pocket. Another dweeb spews bullshit. > On 3/8/08 12:44 PM, in article > Xns9A5B8CAC2DCB9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253, "Larry" <noone@home.com> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Another dweeb spews bullshit. And another fanboi spews his hatred for those that don't drink the koolaid. >> Call it what you will. A phone with a battery life that sucks and >> won't last thru a day of use. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over half is battery life. > "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message >> Zero credibility. >> >> My iPhone lasts much longer than my last smartphone, and that is with >> Bluetooth and WiFi on 24/7. And my last smartphone didn't even have WiFi. >> >> But keep on hating it. People like you need something to hate, obviously. > Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've gone > there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them waiting to > be returned. When they ask why there returning them over half is battery > life. Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-) I think the disconnect is in customer expectation. To folks (like Tinman and I, perhaps) who have used a variety of Smartphones with traditionally crappy battery life, an iPhone lasting 24-48 hours on a charge becomes an amazing feat- even a mythical one if the WiFi's left on! My current WinMo phone running BT and Exchange Push constantly, but WiFi off (unless I'm surfing the web or streaming), gets 12-18 hours under normal use (an two+ hours a day of e-mailing, surfing, Usenet, and/or calling) maybe 24 hours if I'm too busy to use it as a PDA that day. (At 11:00pm last night I was down to 30% of battery life.) But, I doubt most iPhone owners are prior smartphone users. I suspect most are first-time PDA/MP3 phone customers, and they're used to getting a week of standby from their RAZRs or Nokia candybars, so a phone that needs charging nightly is horrific to them. I suspect those returning an iPhone over battery issues would've returned a Treo, a Q, or a Tilt just as quickly. >> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've >> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them >> waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over >> half is battery life. > > Strangely enough, I believe both of you! ;-) Don't be that naive, Todd. He only has his (make-believe?) "friend." Never any actual proof. Even Navas ain't that bad. He said, and I quote, "A phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last thru a day of use." That statement is bullshit. I am a very heavy user and have no problem making it through a day--and not down to 10% either. Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people are bitching about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true defect. Those kinds of forums breed complaints more than praise, so they should be overflowing with battery complaints (people don't pop in to say, "everything was peachy today!"). And give folks more credit: they don't need to have owned a smartphone before understand that they actually use the iPhone a heck of a lot more than their prior phone. That said most of the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually more than one. Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the store. <g> SignatureMike >>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've >>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That statement is bullshit. I am a very heavy user and have no problem > making it through a day--and not down to 10% either. I really meant I believe his point about battery life- not the actual (ridiculous) numbers he throws around. I'm giving him "poetic license" to exaggerate as to the figures. His alleged imaginary circle of friends also includes AT&T store employees as well, IIRC. He's apparently in a unique position to get supporting info for his claims from both Apple and AT&T stores! ;-) > Visit any iPhone forum--say everythingicafe.com--and see how many people > are bitching about battery life. Very, very little--unless it's a true [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the iPhone users I know did in fact have a smartphone previously, usually > more than one. I'm just making the point that user expectations vary- my wife, for example is on her first Smartphone (a T-Mobile Dash WinMo phone.) While she loves it, the first few months were rough- she was never a heavy phone user, and constantly forgot to charge the damn thing because she came from phones that you charged every weekend whether it needed it or not! I, on the other hand, go back to analog "brick" handhelds that you not only charged every night, but often "freshened up" over your lunch hour to be sure it made it to the end of the day! > Better yet next time you are by an Apple store see how many iPhones are > being returned. Feel free to ask around. If you really feel gutsy ask > about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the > store. <g> I don't have to- the numbers speak for themselves- the satisfaction surveys for the iPhone are higher than any phone ever surveyed. I wasn't agreeing that massive numbers of iPhones are being returned; just that both battery claims of the iPhone- stellar and poor, are probably valid, based on prior experience and expectations. >>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've >>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the > store. <g> Google battery life on the iPhone. What do you see ? People are saying the same thing. Battery life sucks. So there all wrong as well ? Only a few have said the battery life is great. Then again if the device is something you love, you kind of look at it with closed eyes. I've used one for a week. Fully charged before going to bed. Not checking anything thru the web. During the day the phone calls mins were a total of about 30 mins.I had it set to check email every 30 mins. Battery was warning 20% left 10 hours later. Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after. On 3/8/08 6:26 PM, in article k9GAj.19561$R84.12654@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've >>>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > 20% left 10 hours later. > Bluetooth was used for the 30 min's of calling. But was turned off after. Take it back. It's a fluke. I get more than 3 hours use and 45+ standby with bluetooth on. If you are REALLY not lying (which I doubt) you should take it back. Your report is not the norm. > On 3/8/08 6:26 PM, in article > k9GAj.19561$R84.12654@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net, "Kevin Weaver" [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > it > back. Your report is not the norm. I told my friend of my findings. He was not interested at all. Nothing could split him from his iphone. I asked him if this happens to him. He said sometimes, but he is in his cube all day with it in its docking cradle being charged. His wife told me it's always docked when he is home. She used it for a few days to see if she wanted one herself. She loved it but in short, was finding it was needing to be charged every night. She is used to going almost a week with here L-7 Moto. The apple store sold a guy a iphone, He brought back 3 of them. They always said no problem try another one. After the 3rd one he was offered a 4th. But gave up after the 3rd. Maybe that run of batteries were bad. Apple said they did not think so. but was willing to do what ever it took. I have to give them that. > everythingicafe.com Too funny! Even the forum site has a STORE! sell, Sell, SELL!! Buy Buy BUY!! Do you really think a forum RUN BY AN IPHONE STORE is gonna let me post about how it sucks?! NOT! http://store.everythingicafe.com/ Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!! > "Tinman": > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > NOT! Your paranoid delusions aside, yes. > http://store.everythingicafe.com/ > > Sell me sumthin'! I got cash to BURN!! No you don't. No one who eats at Waffle House does. SignatureMike >>> Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've >>> gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > about the Beaver's claim... if you don't mind getting laughed outta the > store. <g> So were just to take your word but not mine ? Google Iphone battery life. See for yourself. If I were the only one saying what I've said, then it might be BS. All I'm saying is that I've used a friends and what another that works in a company apple store told me after I saw lots of them being returned. He just goes by what the buyer has said what the problem is to enter into the company database. I could care less. I don't own one. My Treo polls email every 20mins and surfs at 3G not EDGE. Has Bluetooth. Battery lasts about two days. The battery they use in the iPhone is longer lasting technology then what the treo uses. Wait till they add 3G to the iPhone. That battery will be Toast. Unless they add a battery door where the user can swap them out as needed. Apple blames the battery door would cause extra size to be added to the phone. That is a lie. If any would be added it would be less then a 1/16 If that. Look at any slim phone. they have battery doors that can be removed. Look at the size of the Razr which has a battery door. They could have made one but they wont. And we all know why they opt out on that one. > Apple blames the battery door would cause extra size to be added to > the phone. That is a lie. If any would be added it would be less then > a 1/16 If that. Look at any slim phone. they have battery doors that > can be removed. Look at the size of the Razr which has a battery door. > They could have made one but they wont. And we all know why they opt > out on that one. The "All Day iPHone" has one of those big ol' 5AH gelcell camcorder batteries that slips into a slot on the side like a floppy disk....(c; Sorry....evil thoughts....it's late. Charger weighs 12 pounds and dims the lights in "fast charge" mode... > Sure. My friend works at a apple store. He see's it everyday. I've > gone there to have lunch with him and he showed me over 50 of them > waiting to be returned. When they ask why there returning them over > half is battery life. Yea, "your friend," fourth-hand, etc., etc. Like I said, zero credibility. SignatureMike "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:DyzAj.16398 $Ch6.13064@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net: > So all this is just apple > getting more into your pocket. ...or OUT of your pocket, depending on your viewpoint...(c; On 3/8/08 10:56 AM, in article DyzAj.16398$Ch6.13064@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:21c64f83-2834-40c0-a997- >> 14e16f422a78@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Call it what you will. A phone with a battery life that sucks and won't last > thru a day of use. You really are showing your lack of knowledge here. Run along, and don't come back until you have facts, OK? > 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:21c64f83-2834-40c0-a997- > 14e16f422a78@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > God that IS funny, though...(c; Spore?? Nope. Now Lego Indiana Jones on the other hand ... ;-) Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320080925184566% anybody@anywhere-anytime.com: > Spore?? Nope. > Now Lego Indiana Jones on the other hand ... ;-) Wish they'd make 'em a little dumber so the old farts can win a little more often: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/scummvm/ Scumm's virtual machine on the N800 is great! We even have BUTTONS to play the games with! http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html This German has a great virtual keyboard for them, too.... > Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320080925184566% > anybody@anywhere-anytime.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html > This German has a great virtual keyboard for them, too.... Buttons?!?1 How quaint and 20th Century of you. Next you'll be telling me that your phone is connected by wires to big poles that go all the sides of the streets. ;-) With proper games now coming to the iPhone and iPod Touch, it wouldn't surprise me if someone starts making "gamepads" for them, either wireless one or ones that you connect the iPhone / iPod into to resemble a GameBoy / PSP ... I'm not saying such an idea is any good, just that it will probably happen. :-) Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320081912098071% anybody@anywhere-anytime.com: > With proper games now coming to the iPhone and iPod Touch, it wouldn't > surprise me if someone starts making "gamepads" for them, either > wireless one or ones that you connect the iPhone / iPod into to > resemble a GameBoy / PSP ... I'm not saying such an idea is any good, > just that it will probably happen. :-) Not unless Steve Jobs, your nanny, thinks it will be good for you....and the manufacturer agrees to add 30% to the price so Stevie and company can get their cut. > Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320081912098071% > anybody@anywhere-anytime.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the manufacturer agrees to add 30% to the price so Stevie and company can > get their cut. It's nothing to do with Apple. Just like with the iPod, there will (and are) lots of "accessories" that are made by other companies. > Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:090320080925184566% > anybody@anywhere-anytime.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wish they'd make 'em a little dumber so the old farts can win a little more > often: <snip> Rats! I meant to say that my "gaming" limit is something like Bubble Bobble and old C64 games under emulation on my Mac. |
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