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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / June 2008AT&T to cut price of new 3G iPhones
AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple iPhone. When the 3G iPhone is introduced this summer, AT&T, the exclusive U.S. iPhone sales partner with Apple, will cut the price by as much as $200, according to a person familiar with the strategy. AT&T is preparing to subsidize $200 of the cost of a new iPhone, bringing the price down to $199 for customers who sign two-year contracts, the source says. Apple is expected to have two versions of the new iPhone, an 8-gigabyte-memory and a 16-gigabyte-memory model with price tags widely expected to be $399 and $499. AT&T and Apple declined to comment. > AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple > iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the new iPhone, an 8-gigabyte-memory and a 16-gigabyte-memory model with > price tags widely expected to be $399 and $499. OK. > AT&T and Apple declined to comment. Ummmm....AT&T did just comment. Unless you FORGOT to mention that this is actually nothing more than a RUMOR... Well, it seems unlikely to me that the 3 G iPhone will have 8 / 16 GB considering they let the 8 GB model of the current one "die". I much more suspect 16/32 GB or larger. Just my two cents... Am 30.04.2008 1:06 Uhr schrieb "Elmo P. Shagnasty" unter <elmop@nastydesigns.com> in elmop-A0145F.19063929042008@nntp3.usenetserver.com: >> AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple >> iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Unless you FORGOT to mention that this is actually nothing more than a > RUMOR... Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Rene Raggl said: > Well, it seems unlikely to me that the 3 G iPhone will have 8 / 16 GB > considering they let the 8 GB model of the current one "die". > > I much more suspect 16/32 GB or larger. I'm hoping for the 32GB version, myself. :)  SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #20. Despite its proven stress-relieving effect, I will not indulge in maniacal laughter. When so occupied, it's too easy to miss unexpected developments that a more attentive individual could adjust to accordingly. > Unless you FORGOT to mention that this is actually nothing more than a > RUMOR... It may be a rumor, but similar changes have recently occurred in the iPhone pricing system in other countries, in an effort to jump-start disappointing iPhone sales. Apple seems determined to increase their market share in handsets, and fixing the pricing model is a necessary step. "http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/03/german-iphone-buyers-get-discounted-8gb-handsets/" "http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/15/o2-offers-iphone-discount-t o-uk-buyers-through-june-1" [alt.cellular.cingular removed. Cingular no longer exists.] > > Unless you FORGOT to mention that this is actually nothing more than a > > RUMOR... > > It may be a rumor, but similar changes have recently occurred in the > iPhone pricing system in other countries, in an effort to jump-start > disappointing iPhone sales. HEATHEN! you will be BANISHED! Go forth, and drink no more from the ade of Kool! YOUR NAME WILL FOREVER BE KNOWN AS HE WHO TELLS LIES! Disappointing iPhone sales INDEED! Sales are EXACTLY where the Steve of Jobs wanted them to be at this time--which is to say, BEYOND expectations! Such talk--"disappointing iPhone sales"! The only thing that's disappointing is you, to your parents! > AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple > iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > AT&T and Apple declined to comment. There is no free lunch.... they will stick it to you on monthly fees. The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost. > The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost. What is this load of bollocks? I see people repeating this statement like some kind of mantra. My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a shared minutes plan. In article <0b6a16f3-55fc-4066-b951-feb74c3a7da6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > The iPhone is very nice for those that can expense the cost. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a > shared minutes plan. That simply makes you in the minority, or simply had a stupidly expensive phone / plan before. The iPhone is priced at the upper end of mobile phones (although not the most expensive) and the data plans are expensive (largely because phone companies are being greedy) ... so the iPhone *IS* very expensive for many people. Personally I couldn't even justify buying one at even 1/10th of the current price. Helpful Harry Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o) > My cellphone bill went DOWN when I bought my iPhone. I was previously > paying $49.95/mo (not including voice plan cost) for unlimited > BlackBerry data. Now I pay $20/mo for unlimited iPhone data and I have > the same voice plan. I wind up paying about $150/mo for two iPhones > (wife's and mine) and two regular cellphones (for my in-laws) on a > shared minutes plan. Why were you paying $50 for Blackberry data, unless you needed access to a Blackberry Enterprise Server, which the iPhone can't access anyway? You're comparing Apples to oranges (or Blackberries.) Different data products entirely. You might as well say "my daily expense for lunch dropped from $30 to $5 after buying an iPhone. That and I started going to McDonald's instead of Morton's..." > "iPhone News" wrote: > AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > AT&T and Apple declined to comment. That's because Nokia must be laughing their butts off. I can already tell you what's in the next generation of iPhone already: 1. Built-in proprietary battery that requires you to send to Apple to get fixed, but it is outdated by then. 2. Built-in RAM so you do not get the capability of using your own mini-SD cards to increase same (or change MP3 files). 3. Overpriced for what it isn't (a decent phone). 4. Lack of many options already available in other phones (ergo, their dismal overseas units vs. HTC, Nokia, whomever). 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their simpletons cannot use it nor want to. 6. Dumbed down Wi-Fi GPS that requires phone or Wi-Fi signal to get a server-based map. 7. Some upgrade that requires a price drop in a few months to a newer model. But their lemmings will follow....just like when they said "No one else will ever have a Touch-Screen." Yeah. Right. LOL! B~ Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, B. Peg said: > I can already tell you what's in the next generation of iPhone already: Bitter much? SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #75. No robots serving with me will be permitted to have emotion chips. > 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, SDK kit? Software development kit kit? is that like an ATM machine? SAT test? HIV virus? >> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, > > SDK kit? Software development kit kit? > > is that like an ATM machine? SAT test? HIV virus? Rio Grande river? SignatureMike > > is that like an ATM machine? SAT test? HIV virus? > > Rio Grande river? You'll need your PIN number for the ATM machine to get cash for your SAT test. You might be able to go to college, in which case statistically you'll be less likely to get the HIV virus. Regardless, it beats swimming the Rio Grande river to find employment and a future for your family. Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, Tinman said: > >> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rio Grande river? Yeah, but it's new AND improved! SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol "If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #75. No robots serving with me will be permitted to have emotion chips. >> "iPhone News" wrote: >> AT&T is planning to put some extra shine on the even sleeker new Apple [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >1. Built-in proprietary battery that requires you to send to Apple to get >fixed, but it is outdated by then. And Nokia doesn't use proprietary batteries? And 3rd parties already will supply a replacement battery assuming you want to keep using a 2 year + old iPhone. >2. Built-in RAM so you do not get the capability of using your own mini-SD >cards to increase same (or change MP3 files). The Built in RAM is more than you can get with any SD card. >3. Overpriced for what it isn't (a decent phone). The sales figures say different. >4. Lack of many options already available in other phones (ergo, their >dismal overseas units vs. HTC, Nokia, whomever). Again, sales figures say different. >5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their >simpletons cannot use it nor want to. Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so common on Treo devices. >6. Dumbed down Wi-Fi GPS that requires phone or Wi-Fi signal to get a >server-based map. Free WiFi is a problem? You'd rather pay $300 additional and up for a slightly better featured Garmin >7. Some upgrade that requires a price drop in a few months to a newer model. Sell you iPhone on eBay, buy iPhone 2 if thats what you want. >But their lemmings will follow....just like when they said "No one else will >ever have a Touch-Screen." Yeah. Right. LOL! Nokia lemmings fail to see the TRUTH about iPhone. >B~ > "Ron" wrote: >>> "iPhone News" wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And Nokia doesn't use proprietary batteries? Nope. Can change a N-95 BL-5F high-cap. battery out in a snap for $29.99 from TigerDirect. No dismantling of the phone or sending it off to Nokia is required. even Radio Shack for an OEM BL-5F for $15.99. > And 3rd parties already will supply a replacement battery > assuming you want to keep using a 2 year + old iPhone. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Built in RAM is more than you can get with any SD card. Ummm... Sorry, but you're wrong again. SanDisk SD cards now go up to 32 GB. Even the AT&T Tilt can accept a micro-SD card up to 32 GB when available. That's forwards thinking adn not planned obsolescece like the iPhone. >>3. Overpriced for what it isn't (a decent phone). > The sales figures say different. Yeah. Like Korea and China and Europe are just flocking to buy an outdated tech iPhone. Pleeze! >>4. Lack of many options already available in other phones (ergo, their >>dismal overseas units vs. HTC, Nokia, whomever). > > Again, sales figures say different. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16070/53/ http://www.infopackets.com/channels/en/windows/gazette/2008/20080128_iphone_sale s_projected_to_slow.htm If it's from macworld, you just know it's true. LOL! >>5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their >>simpletons cannot use it nor want to. > > Lots of 3rd party web based software already, SDK built > software starting in July, which should assure lack of crashes so > common on Treo devices. Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. Remember, the Apple is for those who don't like programming or playing with the technology. The power users will go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the phones to tailer their needs. >>6. Dumbed down Wi-Fi GPS that requires phone or Wi-Fi signal to get a >>server-based map. > > Free WiFi is a problem? You'd rather pay $300 additional and up > for a slightly better featured Garmin No. You didn't read correctly. "Server-based maps" as in you need a connection for the iphone to work as a GPS. Example, Garmin XT uses a micro-SD card along with the "built-in" GPS chip of such equipped phones and you can use the phone as a GPS unit away from a tower or Wi-Fi. Apple isn't there yet - or their owners are afraid to get out of the city away from a tower. >>7. Some upgrade that requires a price drop in a few months to a newer >>model. > > Sell you iPhone on eBay, buy iPhone 2 if thats what you want. Why take another step backwards? Heck, I could get an HTC Tilt and that technolgy offers me all of the above that the iPhone doesn't. Apple will come out with Gen-3 of the iPhone and copy other's technology who will have pulled away by then anyhow. >>But their lemmings will follow....just like when they said "No one else >>will >>ever have a Touch-Screen." Yeah. Right. LOL! > > Nokia lemmings fail to see the TRUTH about iPhone. Naw. The Nokia, Samsung, and HTC people just laugh at the children's toy iphone. However, the iphone serves a purpose for people with lower IQs and cannot work technology - and that is their greatest benefit. B~ Previously on alt.cellular.cingular, B. Peg said: > Why take another step backwards? Heck, I could get an HTC Tilt and that > technolgy offers me all of the above that the iPhone doesn't. Apple will > come out with Gen-3 of the iPhone and copy other's technology who will have > pulled away by then anyhow. I'm currently using a Treo, and I'm looking at possible replacements. I just tried a Tilt this week. I hated it so much I returned it within 24 hours. The UI absolutely sucks, par for the course for WinMob, I guess. What I care about is usability, and the Tilt sorely misses on most counts. The iPhone, on the other hand, hits on almost all counts, and once the third party software starts coming out it will hit on more. > Naw. The Nokia, Samsung, and HTC people just laugh at the children's toy > iphone. However, the iphone serves a purpose for people with lower IQs and > cannot work technology - and that is their greatest benefit. Maybe it serves the purpose for those who want something that just works the way things should, without needing to install extra stuff just to make it usable. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #86. I will make sure that my doomsday device is up to code and properly grounded. > The iPhone, on the other hand, hits on almost all counts, > and once the third party software starts coming out it will hit on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > works the way things should, without needing to install extra stuff > just to make it usable. Oh, the irony... > >>5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their > >>simpletons cannot use it nor want to. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Too bad Apple owner's cannot use it. anyone can use it. > Remember, the Apple is for those who > don't like programming or playing with the technology. really? then why is there a software development kit? > The power users will > go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the > phones to tailer their needs. there's a lot of software *already* even without the official sdk. the availability of an official sdk will only accelerate how much software is produced. >>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their >>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > go to HTC where forums like XDA constantly write programs and hack the > phones to tailer their needs. Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/ At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all BS. Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat. What's it been, a year now and still nothing. >>>> 5. Dismal lack of software - although they supply an SDK kit, their >>>> simpletons cannot use it nor want to. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/ On Jun 1, 2:56 pm, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by apple. > Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, It's all > BS. > > Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat. > What's it been, a year now and still nothing. Hmm My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see any need to buy one from Apple at this time. It is so easy - even Larry could do it! Vic ki4je 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:8c3479d8-9819-4e86-9ef1- 1b9796ac344c@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > My iPhone has screen after screen full of apps. So many I don't see > any need to buy one from Apple at this time. > It is so easy - even Larry could do it! > > Vic > ki4je Vic, how many apps can you run simultaneously and still talk to someone on the phone? I'm not talking about just installed apps using memory, I'm talking about apps actually doing something, using CPU cycles and accessing RAM. I heard it can only run one program at a time. Is that true? > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by > apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> http://www.modmyifone.com/nativeapps/ Are you just a total moron? There are tons of applications available, most for free. All created by Mac PROGRAMMERS without the SDK. Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone of OSX. You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ? Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ? Unless it has apple's ok, then the apps your talking about are not apps. Being the iTunes store is not open yet to sell software then there is none. How is the iPhone doing running flash ? :) Now go play with your iPhone. >> At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by >> apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be installed, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the backbone > of OSX. On Jun 1, 11:19 pm, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ? > Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It takes a one time run of the Ziphone application a total of 45 seconds to open any iPhone for freeware and paid applications. You can revirginize it using iTunes at any time if you need to return it to Apple. Once you get by the crayon stage in your posts of FUD you will begin to see even you could do it. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution wrote today it is by far the best ("an electronic jacknife of cellphones") multipurpose cell phone ever made and the easiest to use- most highly recomended to their readers. On Jun 1, 11:19 pm, "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithwea...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > You can install these to a stock iPhone without mods ? > Are you talking about them cheese ball one's on the apple site ? [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It takes a one time run of the Ziphone application a total of 45 seconds to open any iPhone for freeware and paid applications. You can revirginize it using iTunes at any time if you need to return it to Apple. Once you get by the crayon stage in your posts of FUD you will begin to see even you could do it. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution wrote today it is by far the best ("an electronic jacknife of cellphones") multipurpose cell phone ever made and the easiest to use- most highly recomended to their readers. I rest my case. *Mods* "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:gFJ0k.7133 $nW2.5960@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com: > How is the iPhone doing running flash ? :) Now go play with your iPhone. Now, Kevin....It's not nice to bring up glaring deficiencies... Michael <mikegoldnj@yahoo.com> wrote in news:48434bce$0$11633 $607ed4bc@cv.net: > Heard of UNIX? It's a bit more stable than Windows and it's the > backbone of OSX. This always intrigues me when someone says it. It may be true, but OSX programs are HUGE in comparison to Linux programs. Look here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=26&release_id=594 This is a video converter to make the big movies run smoother on the little tablet's limited resources. This is the download page, as this app runs on the PC, not the tablet. The latest release of this video converter has sizes of: Linux - 49KB Windoze - 3.83MB OSX - 7.5MB What am I missing? It's the same app. This is just one example. Unix/Linux programs are tiny, compared to Micr$oft bloatware. If OSX is Unix, you should be able to run Unix software. Why is it so big? > At this point it's all talk. Show me one app that's been released by > apple. Or anyone for that fact. Until apple allows apps to be > installed, It's all BS. > > Yes they will be here soon. But to date there has been squat. > What's it been, a year now and still nothing. The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator. I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too. I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there just has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the phone unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone. I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones run such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a heavy duty computer and be a phone, too..... > The first app we need is a memory mapper and CPU load indicator. > > I'd sure be interested to see what the PHONE apps are costing the iPhone > that cannot be used for running other apps. They occupy part of its > limited RAM, its main EPROM and use lots of CPU cycles, even when you're > not making a call. The comms with the towers take space and time, too. Actually, smartphones don't work that way. The "phone" is a completely separate chunck of the hardware under the hood that the "computer" (hardware and software) interfaces to, much like a modem or a printer on a desktop. This is how the "phone" can still function while the PDA is switched off. In my WinMo phone, for example, the phone even has a dedicated speaker- the OS has no access to the earpiece (a real pain for my VoIP software, which is forced to use the side mounted stereo speakers rather than the phone earpiece!) > I think this is one of the reasons for the limited apps that come with > it....and its lack of installable apps. If the user starts loading it up > with Mac bloatware and the stylish graphics running for pretty, there just > has to be a point at which the combo of user software and phone software > overrrun the processor and RAM, either causing a crash or making the phone > unusable. It has to be a phone FIRST....just like any smartphone. Not really- But when the device crashes, you lose UI control of the phone portion. Nothing is more frustrating than when the phone is "locked up" and you can't answer the incoming call the LEDs tell you is coming in because the UI won't respond to the "talk" button! > I don't think this is iPhone special. I think its why the smartphones run > such simpleton browsers and apps as BREW or WM or Palm. It can't be a > heavy duty computer and be a phone, too..... Why not? My WinMo phone runs a faster processor and has far more more memory and storage than my old DOS XT laptop did and has a multi-tasking OS that the laptop didn't. The real reason the devices are "stripped down" IMO, is that the industry (both Win and Mac) doesn't want to gut laptop sales. With Windows Mobile licenses at about $8, and XP/Vista licenses at about $25-30, which do think MS would rather sell? Even Steve-o wouldn't want each iPhone to equal one less MacBook in the world, would he? As long as the WinMo $8 licenses are sold as a supplement to, rather than a replacement of, a "real" Windows license, is MS happy. Therefore, (again, just my opinion) you won't be seeing any "laptop equivalent" phones anytime soon. This is also the reason, I think, that MS and Apple have stayed out of the "webtablet" biz, prefering to focus on tiny "Ultramobile" PCs or laptops that "fit in envelopes." |
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