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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / May 2008NEWS: iPhone spreading around the world.
Australia, the Czech Republic, Egypt, Greece, Italy, India, Portugal, New Zealand, South Africa, and Turkey. Will all get the iPhone sold by Vodaphone. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080506/tc_nf/59624 Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before December > Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before > December Hell, Nokia will sell 10M phones before lunch, tomorrow..... >> Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before >> December > >Hell, Nokia will sell 10M phones before lunch, tomorrow..... Biodegradebable candybar phones of 5 year old design, yes. > Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before > December Maybe before July 15. AT&T sent out an email yesterday forbiddiing AT&T retail associates taking a vacation or days off from June 15 to July 15. They want all hands on hand and ready to cover a big launch of something. The smart money notes that the only other time AT&T did this was last year on the same dates when the Apple iPhone was first released. Could there be something new from Apple that will drive a large mass of customers into AT&T stores the last half of June? On May 6, 6:13 pm, Ron <roncliff...@peoplepc.com> wrote: > Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before > December Maybe before July 15. AT&T sent out an email yesterday forbiddiing AT&T retail associates taking a vacation or days off from June 15 to July 15. They want all hands on hand and ready to cover a big launch of something. The smart money notes that the only other time AT&T did this was last year on the same dates when the Apple iPhone was first released. Could there be something new from Apple that will drive a large mass of customers into AT&T stores the last half of June? BFD! > Could there be something new from Apple that will drive a > large mass of customers into AT&T stores the last half of June? An angry mob of disgruntled current iPhone owners storming AT&T stores when AT&T drops the price of 1st-gen iPhones to $99 with 2-year contract to make way for the new model? ;-) (Just kidding!) > An angry mob of disgruntled current iPhone owners storming AT&T stores > when AT&T drops the price of 1st-gen iPhones to $99 with 2-year > contract to make way for the new model? ;-) > > (Just kidding!) I don't think this is a joke. The new iPhone is only $199 trying to move them. It would make sense to sell the warehouses full of 2G obsoletes at $99, or even less. For the price the vendors are going to charge for the simplest 3rd party programs, they oughta give the damned things away, much like printers just to sell you jet ink! >> An angry mob of disgruntled current iPhone owners storming AT&T stores >> when AT&T drops the price of 1st-gen iPhones to $99 with 2-year [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >them. It would make sense to sell the warehouses full of 2G obsoletes at >$99, or even less. A fictious scenario. Stores are running out of iPhones, and no more are in the pipeline. No need for closeout pricing in the U.S. > A fictious scenario. Stores are running out of iPhones, and no more > are in the pipeline. No need for closeout pricing in the U.S. How many do you want, today? Locked or unlocked? >> An angry mob of disgruntled current iPhone owners storming AT&T stores >> when AT&T drops the price of 1st-gen iPhones to $99 with 2-year [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > them. It would make sense to sell the warehouses full of 2G obsoletes at > $99, or even less. The whole "$199 for 3G iPhone" is a ridiculous internet rumor. I VERY much doubt AT&T is going to sell it for that. Perhaps the _current_ iPhone will dip to $199 when the new 3G version comes out, but for all the iPhone hype, why would they sell it for the same or less than, say, a Tilt, when past experience shows them if they make enough noise about it before launch, they can charge whatever they like and watch the sucke.. er, um, lemmin.., ah, um, "buyers" line up. A low-ball price on the new iPhone greatly devalues both it, and the 2G version, in one fell swoop, and frankly, is a very un-Apple-like strategy. Look at the iPod line, for example- while todays iPods are far more featured than prior models, they sell for the same price as older units did. So a "Nano", which today has far more memory and plays video, is still a $150-200 piece, just like the first was Nano was years ago. A current model iPhone, at least in the US, is going to be "$400" or so, regardless because that's the current high-end that phones command in the US, and Apple isn't going to let it become a $200 phone like a Blackberry or WinMo phone. Just my opinion, of course, so take it for what it's worth... > For the price the vendors are going to charge for the simplest 3rd party > programs, they oughta give the damned things away, much like printers > just to sell you jet ink! Again, the iPod had been very successful with a "pay me now AND pay me later" hardware/iTunes strategy, so why would Apple rock that boat? "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvv70t$nsn$1 @aioe.org: > The whole "$199 for 3G iPhone" is a ridiculous internet rumor. I would think it would be in response to the jailbreaking, causing a failed marketing strategy that failed miserably. Sellphone companies have a long history of subsidized phones. Why should the now-older iPhone be any different. Googly-eyed buyers are no longer staring longingly with their noses pressed up against the door glass panting to get into ATT stores..... I would have said $350, but that may be dreaming in today's DEPRESSION market. > "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvv70t$nsn$1 > @aioe.org: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > failed > marketing strategy that failed miserably. I disagree- it was brilliant. Sell ALL iPhones at an above-cost inflated rate, so if one is unlocked and "misses" activation on the partner carrier, you make a pile of money. If it's activated on the partner carrier you make two piles of money. Where's the "failure" in that? A worse scenario (for Apple) would be heavily discounted iPhones- then AT&T customers could snag one cheap, keep using their old phone, and unlock the iPhone and sell it on eBay for a profit, which AT&T wouldn't mind, since they'd still have the user under 2-year contract, but might be able to get out of paying Apple their cut if the phone is never activated on the AT&T network via iTunes. > Sellphone companies have a long > history of subsidized phones. Why should the now-older iPhone be any > different. Subsidized phones were an attempt to make the upfront cost of cellular cheaper and lower the barrier to entry. If people are willing to line up around the block for an unsubsidized phone, why should the carrier subsidize it? (Particularly in the goofy Apple revenue-sharing arrangement- AT&T is essentially giving the "subsidy" to Apple in the form of commissions.) > Googly-eyed buyers are no longer staring longingly with their > noses pressed up against the door glass panting to get into ATT > stores..... True. But wait until the 3G model hits- to paraphrase the sage Yogi Berra, it'll be Deja Vu all over again! The same Apple fans who ponied up $500 last time have had over a year to save their pennies for the next model. > I would have said $350, but that may be dreaming in today's DEPRESSION > market. > The same Apple fans who ponied > up $500 last time have had over a year to save their pennies for the > next model. Walmart is reporting a run Top Raman soup. heh heh heh >> Googly-eyed buyers are no longer staring longingly with their >> noses pressed up against the door glass panting to get into ATT [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ponied up $500 last time have had over a year to save their pennies > for the next model. I don't know about that. I've met quite a few who're not so rosey-glassed into being screwed to another pocket box office than they first were. >> Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before >> December [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > July 15. They want all hands on hand and ready to cover a big launch > of something. It's the HTC Touch Diamond that's going to launch. All the experts say that the Touch Diamond out iPhones the upcoming 3G iPhone. WiFi, Weather, FM, 3.2 MP camera, TouchFlo interface, and integrated GPS. Most importantly, it's a true PDA with tens of thousands of applications available. OTOH, it's probably not going to have as good a browser as the iPhone, and the built in flash is only 4GB (but expandable). > >> Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before > >> December [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > available. OTOH, it's probably not going to have as good a browser as > the iPhone, and the built in flash is only 4GB (but expandable). Nah that is a glorified Win Mo 6 device. Everyone in the world can sell that. SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:BIvUj.2039$7k7.1026 @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: > OTOH, it's probably not going to have as good a browser as > the iPhone http://securityevaluators.com/iphone/ Yeah, great... I'm also curious as to why Apple got University of Washington's Emerging Technology group to remove this from their own website: "University of Washington's Emerging Technology group published notes from Apple's Developing Web Sites for iPhone session from WWDC last week. The blog entry provides some interesting information for users and web developers alike about the iPhone's capabilities, and has been summarized below. Apple listed what the iPhone offers for websites: - the page view feature lets you look at multiple websites and documents by scrolling thru them one after another - Full PDF support - double tap for zoom in - one finger as a mouse used to -- pan page -- press and hold to display the information bubble - two fingers as a mouse used to -- pinch content to shrink - zoom out -- pan page -- scroll wheel events - new telephone links allows you to integrate phone calls directly from your webpage. remember this is only on safari. - built in google maps client for integrated mapping from your website A few iPhone size limitations / restrictions are noted in developing for the iPhone: - 10MB max html size for web page - Javascript limited to 5 seconds run time - Javascript allocations limited to 10MB - 8 documents maximum loaded on the iPhone due to page view limitations - Quicktime used for audio and video The notes confirm that there is no Flash and no Java support, and Apple recommends the following design considerations: - separate html and css - use well structured and valid html - size images appropriately dont rely on browser scaling - tile small images in backgrounds, dont use large backgroung images - iPhone supports both EDGE and WiFi. EDGE pipe is smaller than WIFI pipe so think about bandwidth when developing. - XHTML mobile documents supported - stylesheet device width:480px - apply different css for the iPhone. For example displaying a one column page for iphone vs a 3 column page on a desktop. - there are no scroll bars or resize knobs. the iphone will automatically expand the content - Avoid framesets, scrollable frames are automatically expanded to fit the content - iPhone User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419.3 - Video: H.264 baseline profile level 3.0 up to 640¡¿480 fps " I found it quoted in a digg.com forum on the iphone browser capabilities and guidelines website. Why did Apple want it removed from the original website, making it look like a lawyer-induced coverup? Are all these limitations and omissions true for the iPhone Safari browser? What about these?: http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/552 "The exploit developed by Independent Security Evaluators takes advantage of a number of security weaknesses in the iPhone, the company stated. The worst issues is that all the device processes run with full administrator privileges. Moreover, the phone does not use address layout randomization and non-executable heaps to make exploitation more difficult, the firm's analysis said." Have they patched these flaws, too? How many users reading this newsgroup never heard of this flaw or installed the patch? How many much-more-naive users who have no idea even what usenet is have patched their boxes? I've asked many and they proudly, like good little Apple soldiers, tell me iPhone is perfect and noone ever trashed a Mac. The browser is just a simple Webkit clone. It isn't the rocket science Apple would like you to believe.' >SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:BIvUj.2039$7k7.1026 >@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm also curious as to why Apple got University of Washington's Emerging >Technology group to remove this from their own website: Because Apple charges for that information as part of attending a Developers Conference. No different than John Wiley getting upset if a Chemistry textbook of theirs was posted on the web. >>SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:BIvUj.2039$7k7.1026 >>@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No different than John Wiley getting upset if a Chemistry textbook > of theirs was posted on the web. Apple charges for the specification lists? That IS arrogance! >>>SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:BIvUj.2039$7k7.1026 >>>@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Apple charges for the specification lists? That IS arrogance! There are charges attached to the iPhone SDK, now at beta 5. > It's the HTC Touch Diamond that's going to launch. All the experts say > that the Touch Diamond out iPhones the upcoming 3G iPhone. WiFi, Weather, > FM, 3.2 MP camera, TouchFlo interface, and integrated GPS. Most > importantly, it's a true PDA with tens of thousands of applications > available. OTOH, it's probably not going to have as good a browser as the > iPhone, and the built in flash is only 4GB (but expandable). Not neccessarily. While WM6.1's native IE Mobile browser seems to be a bit of a kludge- (they've added zoom in/out like the iPhone', but under that it's the same old rendering engine) HTC is planning on including Opera Mobile 9.5 on many of the upcoming HTC phones, which is a desktop-quality browser that supports Flash. (MS, meanwhile, has promised an IE 6 compatible browser for WM7.) For those who can't wait for better browsers, Opera Mini 4 already has excellent zoom/pan rendering (a la iPhone), and works on virtually any Java-capable phone in existence. For WinMo (and soon for Symbial 60), the new Skyfire (www.skyfire.com) "browser", now in beta, supports Flash- it'll even play video from sites like www.hulu.com, or in2tv.aol.com, so I can get a "Man From UNCLE" fix from just about anywhere! ;-) Skyfire isn't a true browser in the traditional sense- it's a thin client app that works through Skyfire's proxy, so the real rendering work is done on Skyfire's servers, and the output of that is sent to, and displayed on, the device. (Much like Opera Mini.) I suspect Skyfire will eventually charge for use of the servers if/when it ever comes out of beta, like Bitstream's "Thunderhawk" proxy-based browser does. > (MS, meanwhile, has promised an IE 6 >compatible browser for WM7.) Rule number 1 in Technology. DON'T BUY PROMISES > > (MS, meanwhile, has promised an IE 6 > >compatible browser for WM7.) > > Rule number 1 in Technology. > > DON'T BUY PROMISES Agreed. Either way, it's a bit difficult to buy something not planned for release until 2009. I really mentioned it as more of a "look how long it takes to get MS off it's duff" than a purchase suggestion. Unlike with desktops or laptops, Windows Mobile devices don't get upgrades to new OS levels from MS- they come from the device manufacturer who has to customize them for each model, so it's no guarantee (or even a likelyhood) that a WM 6.1 device will ever see a WM7 upgrade. >> > (MS, meanwhile, has promised an IE 6 >> >compatible browser for WM7.) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >so it's no guarantee (or even a likelyhood) that a WM 6.1 device will ever >see a WM7 upgrade. Luckily there are folks who figure out how to upgrade the WM system on most devices. That's where Google is your friend. > On Fri, 09 May 2008 07:57:35 -0600, Todd Allcock >>I really mentioned it as more of a "look how long it takes to get MS off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Luckily there are folks who figure out how to upgrade the WM system on > most devices. That's where Google is your friend. Or, you can save time and go to xda-developers.com directly... ;-) >> On Fri, 09 May 2008 07:57:35 -0600, Todd Allcock >>>I really mentioned it as more of a "look how long it takes to get MS off [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Or, you can save time and go to xda-developers.com directly... ;-) Some might be called "developers" others might be called "hackers". > "Ron" wrote: > Australia, the Czech Republic, Egypt, Greece, Italy, India, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Looks like Apple will sell 10 million iPhones this year long before > December. "No, no! I have all Macs in my office and at home. My kids have ipods in every color and size. My wife has an iphone which she just dropped and cracked (" that's alright , I wanted a bigger one anyway......"). The way they do it is Apple comes out with a new bottom of the line model with twice the features for less than what you paid for your top of the line model (see early iphone buyers ) then comes out with one with all the bells and whistles at a higher price, so that you look at your old one like it is two cups tied together with a string. That way they entice the person who is new to drugs...er...phones with low prices and hose the addicts.........er.........loyals with newer higher priced stuff. Steve Jobs is killing me." A quote from a true Apple gosling. B~ |
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