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Just in time for new iPhone AT&T HSPA Roll Out Almost Done
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4.vic.healey@gmail.com - 22 May 2008 03:35 GMT posted Today, 9:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman
AT&T said that by the end of next month, its entire 3G wireless data network will be upgraded to HSPA. It will then focus on expanding its 3G footprint from 275 markets to 350 by the end of 2008.
4.vic.healey@gmail.com - 22 May 2008 03:48 GMT On May 21, 10:35 pm, "4.vic.hea...@gmail.com" <4.vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> posted Today, 9:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman > > AT&T said that by the end of next month, its entire 3G wireless data > network will be upgraded to HSPA. It will then focus on expanding its > 3G footprint from 275 markets to 350 by the end of 2008. More details and a comment from Infosync
The second half of June 2008 will mark a new era for AT&T. Will the Apple 3G iPhone show up on AT&T with HSUPA support around the 18th of June?
AT&T today announced that, in the next month, the company will deploy High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) technology in the six remaining markets across AT&T's entire 3G wireless broadband network. When done, AT&T will have completed its deployment of HSUPA technology, which complements existing HSDPA technology, making AT&T the only U.S. carrier to have fully deployed HSPA technology in its 3G network. Today the turbo-3G AT&T network is available in more than 275 markets, but another 75 markets will get such coverage by the end of the year.
With the new addition of HSUPA technology, AT&T 3G users are promised upload speeds between 500 and 800 Kbps, complementing the maximum 1.4 Mbps download speeds. However, while a couple of HSUPA data cards have already been added to AT&T's portfolio, the HSUPA multimedia smartphones are still missing.
The grin on Steve Jobs' face during his upcoming keynote on June 9th, if he slips AT&T's and America's first HSUPA multimedia smartphone out of his pocket, will probably make all of us think how simple that must have been. However, even giants like Nokia had their initial struggle with implementing HSPA technology, so has Apple moved from EDGE to HSPA in less than a year, it's quite an accomplishment.
Too good to be true some may say, and we honestly have no proof of what exactly the Apple 3G iPhone will and will not offer. The only thing we do know, is that the Apple 3G iPhone will likely be announced on the 9th and released by AT&T on the 18th or 19th of June 2008, perhaps to coincide with a real "AT&T HSPA party". Because, AT&T has yet to make a big mainstream deal out of its latest network upgrade.
The carrier simply admits that equally as important as the network is the device through with a customer experiences it; thus more 3G- enabled smartphones will be released in the summer and fall of 2008. So, what AT&T is really saying without actually saying it, is that they are waiting for Apple, HTC and perhaps Sony Ericsson to start shipping their HSUPA smartphones, and then first, the real action begins. We agree with AT&T; the carrier would get some serious action on its network by being host to the Apple 3G iPhone, HTC Diamond and Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 when the holiday season arrives.
Between 2005 and 2008, AT&T will have invested more than $20 billion in network improvements and upgrades - an average of $5 billion a year. AT&T recently turned down its older TDMA network, and that will allow the company to reuse valuable 850 MHz spectrum to expand and enhance 3G markets. AT&T plans to adopt LTE (Long Term Evolution) technology to reach even higher speeds in the long term. But before we start wishing for a LTE iPhone, let's get this 3G iPhone launch over with.
Kevin Weaver - 22 May 2008 07:06 GMT Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new one's will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even more then it does now.
On May 21, 10:35 pm, "4.vic.hea...@gmail.com" <4.vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> posted Today, 9:43 AM by Eric M. Zeman > > AT&T said that by the end of next month, its entire 3G wireless data > network will be upgraded to HSPA. It will then focus on expanding its > 3G footprint from 275 markets to 350 by the end of 2008. More details and a comment from Infosync
The second half of June 2008 will mark a new era for AT&T. Will the Apple 3G iPhone show up on AT&T with HSUPA support around the 18th of June?
AT&T today announced that, in the next month, the company will deploy High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA) technology in the six remaining markets across AT&T's entire 3G wireless broadband network. When done, AT&T will have completed its deployment of HSUPA technology, which complements existing HSDPA technology, making AT&T the only U.S. carrier to have fully deployed HSPA technology in its 3G network. Today the turbo-3G AT&T network is available in more than 275 markets, but another 75 markets will get such coverage by the end of the year.
With the new addition of HSUPA technology, AT&T 3G users are promised upload speeds between 500 and 800 Kbps, complementing the maximum 1.4 Mbps download speeds. However, while a couple of HSUPA data cards have already been added to AT&T's portfolio, the HSUPA multimedia smartphones are still missing.
The grin on Steve Jobs' face during his upcoming keynote on June 9th, if he slips AT&T's and America's first HSUPA multimedia smartphone out of his pocket, will probably make all of us think how simple that must have been. However, even giants like Nokia had their initial struggle with implementing HSPA technology, so has Apple moved from EDGE to HSPA in less than a year, it's quite an accomplishment.
Too good to be true some may say, and we honestly have no proof of what exactly the Apple 3G iPhone will and will not offer. The only thing we do know, is that the Apple 3G iPhone will likely be announced on the 9th and released by AT&T on the 18th or 19th of June 2008, perhaps to coincide with a real "AT&T HSPA party". Because, AT&T has yet to make a big mainstream deal out of its latest network upgrade.
The carrier simply admits that equally as important as the network is the device through with a customer experiences it; thus more 3G- enabled smartphones will be released in the summer and fall of 2008. So, what AT&T is really saying without actually saying it, is that they are waiting for Apple, HTC and perhaps Sony Ericsson to start shipping their HSUPA smartphones, and then first, the real action begins. We agree with AT&T; the carrier would get some serious action on its network by being host to the Apple 3G iPhone, HTC Diamond and Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 when the holiday season arrives.
Between 2005 and 2008, AT&T will have invested more than $20 billion in network improvements and upgrades - an average of $5 billion a year. AT&T recently turned down its older TDMA network, and that will allow the company to reuse valuable 850 MHz spectrum to expand and enhance 3G markets. AT&T plans to adopt LTE (Long Term Evolution) technology to reach even higher speeds in the long term. But before we start wishing for a LTE iPhone, let's get this 3G iPhone launch over with.
SMS - 22 May 2008 11:20 GMT > Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a > big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new > one's will not have a battery door, Battery life _Will Suck_ even more > then it does now. Not in terms of bytes/watt-hour. Someone doing the same amount of data transfer on the 3G model will have better battery life. Of course most users will probably be doing a lot more web stuff once they get 3G, and are willing to make the trade-off.
You can already get battery sleeves for the iPhone that extend the battery life. While a user-replaceable battery would have been better in some ways, it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing the number of points of failure on the device, with two less connectors, and one less opening in the case.
Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can be powered by the big battery in the notebook.
Larry - 22 May 2008 14:38 GMT SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6 @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com:
> it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing > the number of points of failure on the device, with two less connectors, > and one less opening in the case. ...and all this time I thought it was so they could make it cheaper...
News - 22 May 2008 17:47 GMT > SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6 > @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ...and all this time I thought it was so they could make it > cheaper... ...or that fanbois couldn't deal with connectors and orifices.
Larry - 22 May 2008 19:48 GMT >> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:gLbZj.192$SN3.6 >> @flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ...or that fanbois couldn't deal with connectors and orifices. heeee hee
Kevin Weaver - 22 May 2008 18:51 GMT >> Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take a >> big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The new [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > users will probably be doing a lot more web stuff once they get 3G, and > are willing to make the trade-off. Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He said 3G uses more battery then edge.
> You can already get battery sleeves for the iPhone that extend the battery > life. While a user-replaceable battery would have been better in some > ways, it's just not part of Apple's design philosophy of minimizing the > number of points of failure on the device, with two less connectors, and > one less opening in the case. So one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life flaw ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about. IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why do they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ?
I've owned cell phones for over 10 years. I've never had a failure due to replacement of a battery. Thats Apple talk for screwing the end user. To have to send it to apple to get it replaced when it's dead is just more $$ for apple. And at some point in time it will need to be replaced. There just wanting the user to buy a new phone.
> Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can be > powered by the big battery in the notebook. AT&T is not going to allow that under there all you can use iPhone plan. You can already use the usb plug to charge the iPhone. Plug it into any usb port and it charges.
Larry - 22 May 2008 20:07 GMT > o one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life flaw > ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about. > IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why do > they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ? I'm sitting here typing on the Nokia BT folding keyboard paired to my Nokia N800 Linux tablet. Rdesktop, a free app of course, has me logged onto my WinXP box's Remote Desktop and Xnews is booted to get on usenet for this message.
Playing through the tablet's stereo speakers is KSEY, a cowboy music station in Seymour, TX in cowboy country. It's playing using mplayer, a free Linux media player that plays an amazing array of audio and video media iPhone won't. Mplayer was fed the station's connection, not from some browser spammer, but from Streamtuner, another free, of course, program that automatically catalogues Xiph and Shoutcast free streams and has its own bookmark system for my favorite radio and TV free stations.
This is all taking place in a little country restaurant owned by the Dukes family of pig farmers who open from Thurs to Sat feeding us all you can eat SC open pit BBQ fresh from their farm. Deeeelicious!
Internet service is Alltel EVDO about 800Kbps up here in the boondocks...$25/mo for unlimited data added to my phone bill. BT data comes from the MotoROKR Z6m little slidephone.
Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good!
4.vic.healey@gmail.com - 22 May 2008 23:10 GMT > Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good! Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone.
Kevin Weaver - 23 May 2008 00:15 GMT A few credit cards ? Try (10) I just checked. Keep trying to sell that POS...
On May 22, 3:07 pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good! Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone.
Larry - 23 May 2008 03:32 GMT "4.vic.healey@gmail.com" <4.vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:d715fcb8- 0e89-47dd-bb0e-ee9db7b47a2a@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> Well for starters you can do that with a device a little larger than a > couple of stacked credit cards when you have an iPhone. What you > describe with the Nokia N800 and various devices all cabled together > is downright clunky and uncool compared to the Apple iPhone. Hmm...noone thought it was klunky at any time.
Of course, I didn't need an external battery wrapper to make it run more than an hour, either.
If you plug the iphone into the battery extender, which is "klunkier"...(c;
By the way, Vic, there are no cables. N800 supports multiple BT connections simultaneously. It needs no cabling at all. With the sellphone modem in my pocket....noone knows...(c;
George Kerby - 23 May 2008 13:53 GMT On 5/22/08 9:32 PM, in article Xns9AA6E5EDF765Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253,
> "4.vic.healey@gmail.com" <4.vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:d715fcb8- > 0e89-47dd-bb0e-ee9db7b47a2a@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > connections simultaneously. It needs no cabling at all. > With the sellphone modem in my pocket....noone knows...(c; WTF is a "noone"?!?
Damn children...
George Kerby - 23 May 2008 13:50 GMT On 5/22/08 2:07 PM, in article Xns9AA699F33608Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253,
>> o one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life > flaw [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Why iPhone? How absurd. Life is good! Don't git that there phone plugged up with yer greasy paws now, boy.
SMS - 23 May 2008 01:07 GMT >>> Yeah, The same guy that said Edge was enough. Battery life would take >>> a big hit. That's why we (Apple) went with Edge. Quote from Jobs. The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He > said 3G uses more battery then edge. It does, if you're measuring by usage time rather than bytes.
> So one has to attach a battery sleeve to get pass the battery life flaw Yes.
> ? So end's that sexy and slim quote that Jobs talks about. > IF that were true about less connectors to address a POF then why do > they offer user replacement batterys for there laptops ? I suspect it's because it's much easier to make a reliable connector with larger contacts, and a more robust retention device on a notebook. I'm not saying what Apple did is good for the user. But if you look at one of the major points of failure of small electronic devices it's connectors and battery doors. How many users didn't buy an iPhone primarily because of the battery life?
> I've owned cell phones for over 10 years. I've never had a failure due > to replacement of a battery. Thats Apple talk for screwing the end user. > To have to send it to apple to get it replaced when it's dead is just > more $$ for apple. And at some point in time it will need to be > replaced. There just wanting the user to buy a new phone. Yeah, well there are plenty of iPhone battery replacement kits. For $14 you can get a battery and the tool and instructions.
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>> Hopefully the 3G model will also add tethering capability, and it can >> be powered by the big battery in the notebook.
> AT&T is not going to allow that under there all you can use iPhone plan. > You can already use the usb plug to charge the iPhone. Plug it into any > usb port and it charges. How much is the 3G data plan going to cost? Will there be a plan that allows tethering? This isn't known yet.
I'm not an iPhone fanboi. I wouldn't buy one because of several feature limitations, but the lack of a battery door isn't one of them.
DevilsPGD - 23 May 2008 01:37 GMT >Thats not what Jobs said when asked why was 3G not in the 1st round. He said >3G uses more battery then edge. The chipsets available at the time had some limitations (I believe one option had poor power consumption, and the other had some potential legal troubles)
Having owned a couple of 3G handsets now (Razr2 V9, TILT), in my own experience 3G is far better for battery life and reception/building penetration.
Dennis Ferguson - 23 May 2008 02:14 GMT > On May 21, 10:35 pm, "4.vic.hea...@gmail.com" <4.vic.hea...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Apple 3G iPhone show up on AT&T with HSUPA support around the 18th of > June? Not likely. I don't think the Infineon 3G chipset they are using in that phone supports HSUPA.
Dennis Ferguson
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