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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / May 2008OZ 42mbs 3G iPhone To Be Fastest In The World
OZ 3G iPhone To Be Fastest In The World By David Richards | Thursday | 22/05/2008 Australia will have the fastest Apple 3G iPhone in the world a senior executive of Telstra has told ChannelNews. "We know what is coming we have seen the new device and it will be available on our network as soon as it is launched in the USA. By Xmas this phone will be capable of 42mbs which will make it faster than a lot of broadband offerings and the fastest iPhone on any network in the world " they said. "We believe that this will be a major driver for many peope to invest in a new smart phone it will will also create a big buzz as many vendors plan to launch new smart phones at the same time" they added. The 3G version of Apple's iPhone will become available very soon after its June 9 unveiling by CEO/chairman Steve Jobs at the Apple Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco say Apple insiders. ChannelNews has also been told that Telstra already have 3G phones for testing. Jobs said recently that Apple plans to release a software kit that allows developers to make applications for the iPhone and iPod touch. The latest move shows that Apple is lifting restrictions on the iPhone after facing public scrutiny when hackers unlocked their iPhones to work on other cell carriers. In addition, Apple locked out 3rd party application use. Jobs said that unlocking the iPhone for 3rd party development use may give users access to hundreds of new applications which are not currently available for the mobile gadget. Apple's decision to open up the iPhone and touch to outside developers is a step many users and industry watchers have been hoping for and demanding since the device's release. So great was the desire for third-party applications that many iPhone users and more recently iPod touch users have taken it upon themselves to crack the gadgets and install everything from banking programs to games. iPhone games could be the next hot item, as music is hot for the iPod. Investment bank Piper Jaffray, which surveyed Apple stores earlier this month found that the iPhone is not available at half of the Apple USA retail stores, that both the 8GB and 16GB models were unavailable from the online store, and that shortages have been reported recently in the UK, suggesting the older models are beig cleared out, ahead of a new model. But wait there is more... next post On May 25, 1:35 pm, "4.vic.hea...@gmail.com" <4.vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote: > OZ 3G iPhone To Be Fastest In The World > By David Richards | Thursday | 22/05/2008 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of 42mbs which will make it faster than a lot of broadband offerings > and the fastest iPhone on any network in the world " they said. > But wait there is more... next post How can that be so? If the 3G iPhone is built using the same chips as the first one it will max out at around 7 Mbps! Gixmodo says maybe 14.4 Mbps but not 43 mbs... • The iPhone beta firmware code specifically mentions the Infineon S- GOLD 3. • There have been multiple press and analysts' reports about Infineon getting the contract for the next version, continuing its relationship with Apple—right now the iPhone uses the Infineon S-GOLD 2 as its baseband chip. The S-GOLD 3 tops at 7.2Mbps. Gizmodo also observes... So yes, the Telstra network may support 14.4mbps devices, but most likely—and unless there were five million supersecret 42Mbps baseband chips that nobody knows about, hidden in an subaquatic lair in the Pacific—the iPhone 3G, already well into production ahead of its June 9 launch, will not support those speeds for a very long time to come. Maybe the unnamed Telstra senior executive is implying that, next Xmas, Apple will introduce an iPhone with a radically redesigned motherboard using that supersecret baseband chip that nobody knows about right now. Bottom line Job's Apple may pull another rabbit out of the hat to the astonishment of the world. > So yes, the Telstra network may support 14.4mbps devices, but most > likely—and unless there were five million supersecret 42Mbps baseband > chips that nobody knows about, hidden in an subaquatic lair in the > Pacific Those "electric computers" in the "188 mysterious cargo containers"... >> So yes, the Telstra network may support 14.4mbps devices, but most >> likely—and unless there were five million supersecret 42Mbps baseband >> chips that nobody knows about, hidden in an subaquatic lair in the >> Pacific > > Those "electric computers" in the "188 mysterious cargo containers"... Shun the unbelievers! >>> So yes, the Telstra network may support 14.4mbps devices, but most >>> likely—and unless there were five million supersecret 42Mbps baseband [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shun the unbelievers! Long live the non-fanboii. On May 25, 1:35 pm, "4.vic.hea...@gmail.com" <4.vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote: > OZ 3G iPhone To Be Fastest In The World > By David Richards | Thursday | 22/05/2008 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of 42mbs which will make it faster than a lot of broadband offerings > and the fastest iPhone on any network in the world " they said. > But wait there is more... next post How can that be so? If the 3G iPhone is built using the same chips as the first one it will max out at around 7 Mbps! Gixmodo says maybe 14.4 Mbps but not 43 mbs... • The iPhone beta firmware code specifically mentions the Infineon S- GOLD 3. • There have been multiple press and analysts' reports about Infineon getting the contract for the next version, continuing its relationship with Apple—right now the iPhone uses the Infineon S-GOLD 2 as its baseband chip. The S-GOLD 3 tops at 7.2Mbps. Gizmodo also observes... So yes, the Telstra network may support 14.4mbps devices, but most likely—and unless there were five million supersecret 42Mbps baseband chips that nobody knows about, hidden in an subaquatic lair in the Pacific—the iPhone 3G, already well into production ahead of its June 9 launch, will not support those speeds for a very long time to come. Maybe the unnamed Telstra senior executive is implying that, next Xmas, Apple will introduce an iPhone with a radically redesigned motherboard using that supersecret baseband chip that nobody knows about right now. Bottom line Job's Apple may pull another rabbit out of the hat to the astonishment of the world. *Bottom line* Should have said, Pull it out of his a.s! A true fanboi could have not said it any better. "4.vic.healey@gmail.com" <4.vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:d196c021-8a78-4efc-9201-66083d500338 @l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > ob's Apple may pull another rabbit out of the hat to the astonishment > of the world. OVERCLOCKING, OVERCLOCKKING.......the 6 Ghz iphone....comes with a 500 pound charger and dual fork lift batteries in a big wagon with a towing harness for users to pull..... 42Mbps will bring a desktop to its knees.... >Australia will have the fastest Apple 3G iPhone in the world a senior >executive of Telstra has told ChannelNews. "We know what is coming we [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >ChannelNews has also been told that Telstra already have 3G phones for >testing. Does anyone know if the Australian model iPhone will work in the USA? I am going to be visiting Australia in November and might be interested in purchasing one of the phones while visiting (if they will operate in the USA). Best, Bob Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C. Neurological Surgery 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA 510-849-2555 "Ex Tristitia Virtus" > Does anyone know if the Australian model iPhone will work in the USA? > I am going to be visiting Australia in November and might be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bob Yes, but the American carriers will be limited to 2GB/month and....well....you do the math.... >> The 3G version of Apple's iPhone will become available very soon >>after its June 9 unveiling by CEO/chairman Steve Jobs at the Apple [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > interested in purchasing one of the phones while visiting (if they > will operate in the USA). Australian 3G operates on 850 & 2100 MHz. AT&T 3G operates on 850 & 1900 MHz. An Australian 3G iPhone will only work well on AT&T if Apple supports all 3 of those bands in a single model of the phone. If Apple does do a 3-band 3G phone I may want to buy one, however, since it would save carrying several phones when I travel which is what I do now. There are very few phones which support both North American and European 3G, in fact the AT&T 8525 is the only one I know and it isn't very attractive. Dennis Ferguson > AT&T 8525 is the only one I know and it isn't very attractive. How about Nokia's new N78 Linux smartphone, Dennis? It runs WCDMA and GSM/GPRS/EGPRS on lotsa bands with automatic selection. I want one....(c; General Sleek design; Capable multimedia computer * Search and find places and know how to get there, with integrated A-GPS * Tag images automatically with location tagging and upload directly to the web * Browse the internet with large 2.4” display, access the web over Wireless LAN (WLAN) with automatic hotspot authentication * Up to 24-hour music playback time, scroll to your favorite tracks using Navi™ wheel * Access images, music, podcasts, video with high speed WLAN, or 3.5G connection Operating Frequency * Dual mode WCDMA 900/2100 (HSDPA), GSM/GPRS/EGPRS 850/900/1800/1900 MHz * Automatic switching between bands and modes Dimensions * Volume: 76.5 cc * Weight: 101.8 g * Length: 113 mm * Width: 49 mm * Thickness: 15.1 mm Memory Functions * Up to 70MB internal memory * MicroSD memory card support (hot swappable) * Approx. memory capacity indication with included 2GB microSD card: o Video (VGA @ 15fps): up to 120 min o Photos (3.2 megapixel): up to 3,400 photos o Music (eAAC+): up to 1,500 tracks* * Capacity based on 3:45 per song with 48 kbps eAAC+ (M4A) encoding on the Nokia Audio Manager. Capacity with 128 kbps AAC encoding is up to [1500] songs. Power Management* * Battery: Nokia Battery BL-6F 1200mAh * Talk time: up to 190 minutes (WCDMA); 260 minutes (GSM) * Stand-by time: up to 320 hours (WCDMA); 320 hours (GSM) * Still images: up to 375 pictures (3.2 megapixel) * Video capture: up to 215 minutes (VGA @ 15fps) * Video call: up to 125 minutes * Video playback: up to 280 minutes (VGA @ 15fps) * Music playback: up to 24 hours (offline mode) * Web browsing: up to 3 hours (3.5G) * FM radio: up to 14 hours *Operation times may vary depending on radio access technology used, operator network configuration and usage. Display and User Interface * 2.4” QVGA (240 x 320 pixels) TFT color display with up to 16 million colors and wide 160° viewing angle. Ambient light detector - to optimize display brightness and power consumption * Operating system: Symbian OS * User Interface: S60 3rd Edition, Feature Pack 2 * Java™: MIDP2.0 * C++ and Java SDKs Call Management * Call logs, speed dial, voice dialing, voice commands, and talking ringtone * OMA PoC 1.0 Messaging * E-mail (SMTP, IMAP4, POP3), MMS, SMS Data Transfer* * Dual mode WCDMA 900/2100 (HSDPA) with simultaneous voice and packet data (PS max speed UL/DL= 384/3.6MB, CS max speed 64kbps) * Dual Transfer Mode (DTM) support for simultaneous voice and packet data connection in GSM/EDGE networks. Simple class A, multi slot class 11, max speed DL/UL: 118.4/118.4 kbits/s * EGPRS class B, multi slot class 32, max speed DL/UL= 296 / 177.6 kbits/s *Actual achieved speeds may vary depending on network support. Imaging Imaging and Video * Up to 3.2 megapixel (2048x1536 pixels) camera, Carl Zeiss Optics, Tessar™ lens, 20x digital zoom, MPEG-4 VGA video capture of at 15 fps * Secondary camera, CIF (352x288 pixels) sensor * On device photo editor (manual & automatic) and video editor (manual) * 2.4” QVGA (240 x 320 pixels) TFT color display with up to 16 million colors and wide 160° viewing angle. Ambient light detector - to optimize display brightness and power consumption * Nokia XpressShare solution - share easily from Photos application or after capture via email, by using Bluetooth connectivity or MMS * Video call and video sharing support (WCDMA network services) * Online album/blog: image/video uploading from Photos application or camera post-capture view * Tag images automatically with location tagging and show on a map where they were captured. * Nokia XpressPrint solution – online printing service or direct printing via USB, Bluetooth connectivity (BPP), WLAN (UPnP), from compatible memory card * Transfer and organize photos and video between your device and compatible PC Mobile Video * Video resolutions: up to VGA @ 15 fps * Audio recording: AAC stereo, 48kHz * Digital video stabilization * Video clip length: max 60 min per clip * Video file format: .mp4 (default), .3gp (for MMS) * White balance: automatic, sunny, cloudy, incandescent, fluorescent * Scene: automatic, night * Color tone: normal, sepia, B&W, negative * Zoom: Digital up to 8x Mobile Photography * Still image resolutions: up to 3.2 megapixel (2048x1536) * Still image file format: JPEG/EXIF * Auto focus * Auto exposure - center weighted AE * Exposure compensation: +2 ~ -2EV at 1/3EV step * White balance: automatic, sunny, cloudy, incandescent, fluorescent * Scene: automatic, user, close-up, landscape, night, night portrait * Colour tone: normal, sepia, B&W, negative * Zoom: Digital up to 20x * LED flash * Secondary camera, CIF (352 x 288) sensor Camera Specifications * CMOS, 3.2 megapixel (2048x1536) * Carl Zeiss optics: Tessar™ lens * Focal length: 4.6 mm * Focus range: 10 cm ~ infinity * Macro focus distance: 10 cm - 30 cm Music Music Features * OMA DRM 2.0 support for music * Integrated FM transmitter (88.1 – 107.9 MHz)* * Nokia Internet Radio * Stereo speakers * Nokia Stereo Headset HS-45/AD-54 * Digital music player: supports MP3/ AAC/ AAC+/ eAAC+/ WMA with playlists, equalizer and album art * Synchronize music with Windows Media Player 10 & 11 * Rip your CDs with one click, converting and transferring music to your device using Nokia Music Manager * Stereo FM radio (87.5-108MHz /76-90MHz) with Visual Radio™ support *The legal status of FM transmission varies from country to country and is subject to change. Read more about the legal status of FM transmission and check with your local authorized Nokia dealer for the most up-to-date information. Explore Navigation * Integrated Assisted Global Positioning System (A-GPS) * Pre-installed Nokia Maps application and downloadable maps * Easy-to-use email client with attachment support for images, videos, music and documents * Compatible with Nokia Wireless Keyboard SU-8W (sold separately) Browsing * Nokia Web Browser with Mini Map * Web feeds support (RSS) * xSP framework support Digital home * Access multimedia content on your compatible home media network over UPnP Java Applications * Java™: MIDP2.0 * Over-the-air download of Java-based applications and games Other Applications * Personal Information Management (PIM) * Advanced S60 PIM features including contacts, calendar, to-do list, notes, recorder, calculator, clock, converter * Office applications: Quickoffice supports viewing of common e-mail attachments and Adobe PDF Reader * Settings wizard for easy configuration of e-mail, push to talk and video sharing * Data transfer application for transfer of PIM information from other compatible Nokia devices * WLAN wizard Connectivity * WLAN IEEE802.11 b/g with UPnP support * USB 2.0 high-speed through micro USB connector * Bluetooth wireless technology 2.0 + EDR * Nokia AV connector 3.5mm * Nokia Nseries PC Suite connectivity with USB, and Bluetooth wireless technology * Local synchronization of contacts and calendar to a compatible PC using connection * Remote over-the-air synchronization * Send and receive images, video clips, graphics, and business cards via Bluetooth wireless technology Video RealPlayer media player * Full-screen video playback to view downloaded, streamed or recorded video clips * Supported video formats: MPEG-4, H.264/AVC, H.263/3GPP, RealVideo 8/9/10, Flash 3.0 * Up to 30fps playback Package Contents Standard Sales Package Contents* * Nokia N78 (including Nokia 2GB microSD Card MU-37) * Nokia Battery BL-6F * Nokia Travel Charger AC-5 * Nokia Music Headset HS-45/AD-54 * Nokia Connectivity Cable CA-101 * User guide * Quick Start guide * DVD >> AT&T 8525 is the only one I know and it isn't very attractive. > > How about Nokia's new N78 Linux smartphone... Everything I'm finding on the n78 says it's Symbian's S60 r3. Where are you finding that it's Linux? Reason I ask is that I'd be lining up for one if that were the case. viz: <http://europe.nokia.com/A4799136> <http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilephones/0,39051201,42689981p,00.htm> etc... tia, -Craig Craig <netburgher@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:VWV_j.5311$Ri.3508 @flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com: >>> AT&T 8525 is the only one I know and it isn't very attractive. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tia, > -Craig Oh, sorry....that's even better. zillion programs for Symbian phones....(c; Point is it has the bands you wanted without the shitty ATT look. nice camera, DivX movies, Flash player, great browser, Realplayer, etc., too! >> AT&T 8525 is the only one I know and it isn't very attractive. > > How about Nokia's new N78 Linux smartphone, Dennis? It runs WCDMA and > GSM/GPRS/EGPRS on lotsa bands with automatic selection. The GSM band selection includes all the GSM bands there are anywhere. For me the problem is this bit: > * Dual mode WCDMA 900/2100 (HSDPA), GSM/GPRS/EGPRS 850/900/1800/1900 ^^^^^^^^ To run on AT&T 3G you need 850/1900 MHz there. Some of the best prepaid service in Europe runs on WCDMA 2100 MHz, however, and that is the only game in a few Asian countries, so you need that too. And now we've got 900 MHz WCDMA, which some European countries are starting to see as a solution for 3G in rural areas, not to mention T-Mobile's 1700 MHz WCDMA 3G service, which I might like to switch to if they price it right (and finish it some year). Nokia deals with this by offering multiple, market-specific models of their phones (in addition to the N78 above I think there's a second model which supports 850/1900 for North America, and maybe a third Asia-Pacific model which supports 850/2100). This is typical of most manufacturers. Because of this I need more than one phone, and because of that I don't buy smart phones; I instead buy the stupidest phones I can find with the appropriate band support which I can tether something else to for data service. I would really like one phone which supports at least the North American 3G bands plus 2100 MHz, and I'd consider a smart phone which included those bands. There is some reason manufacturers don't like to do all-band WCDMA phones (I think it has to do with the WCDMA RF power amplifiers, the digital chips always seem to do everything) which keeps them from doing the phone I want. I've been hoping Apple would do a more-band iPhone simply because Apple has a record of not doing too many models of anything, though that may be wishful thinking. Apple has no special RF expertise, and if Nokia can't do the phone I want I'd be surprised if Apple could. But you never know. Dennis Ferguson > The GSM band selection includes all the GSM bands there are anywhere. > For me the problem is this bit: > >> * Dual mode WCDMA 900/2100 (HSDPA), GSM/GPRS/EGPRS >> 850/900/1800/1900 > What's the problem? It CAN run on WCDMA...That doesn't mean it HAS to run on WCDMA. I don't understand that being a problem. The phone runs on all bands and all modes and simply selects the one you want, not being restricted when you change areas or countries. > >> * Dual mode WCDMA 900/2100 (HSDPA), GSM/GPRS/EGPRS > >> 850/900/1800/1900 > > > > What's the problem? It CAN run on WCDMA...That doesn't mean it HAS to run > on WCDMA. "WCDMA" is GSM's 3G data system. 900/2100 is international, 850/1900 is North American and 1700 is the new North American "AWS" 3G band (T-Mobile.) So, for all intents and purposes, that phone is a GPRS/EDGE-only phone here in the states. THAT'S the problem, at least for Dennis. > I don't understand that being a problem. The phone runs on all > bands and all modes and simply selects the one you want, not being > restricted when you change areas or countries. Almost. In Dennis' case, he'd like a phone that does voice AND 3G virtually anywhere. Most current phones can do voice and GPRS/EDGE anywhere, but only support 3G in EITHER the US or overseas. Japan muddies things up further- they mostly use a non-US frequency CDMA for voice, but overlaid 2100MHz (same as European) WCDMA (GSM 3G) for data and voice, so Euro-3G band phones, like that Nokia, can work in Japan on 2100, but most likely any forthcoming USA version (that will substitute 850/1900 WCDMA for 900/2100) will be a eunich in Japan because it will lack 2100. Much like how most early GSM phones were either US or European frequency due to the expense of cramming more bands in, most of today's "early" 3G phones offer only two or three of the (at least) six 3G bands currently in use worldwide. Dennis' solution is to use different 3G phones for different countries, others simply use a phone with domestic 3G and put up with slow EDGE data elsewhere. This is something you CDMA guys don't have to deal with. You already know from the get-go your handset is essentially useless outside North America! ;-) > "WCDMA" is GSM's 3G data system. 900/2100 is international, 850/1900 > is North American and 1700 is the new North American "AWS" 3G band > (T-Mobile.) > So, for all intents and purposes, that phone is a GPRS/EDGE-only > phone > here in the states. THAT'S the problem, at least for Dennis. There was a news pointer on Yahoo Financial this morning to: http://seekingalpha.com/article/79190-more-good-news-about-the-3g-iphone "The chipset is rumored to be the the SGOLD3H from Infineon - a powerful chipset able to handle the type of 3G networking favored in Japan and Korea, WCDMA." Looks like Stevie is trying to make up for those terrible Asian sales problems..... > This is something you CDMA guys don't have to deal with. You already > know from the get-go your handset is essentially useless outside North > America! > ;-) At the price of overseas roaming, ALL American handsets are "essentially useless outside North America"......That's why there's Skype...(c; An iPhone can STILL generate a $4000+ ATT phone bill, simply left on in Europe, never making a call, from its email checking in. That story was never resolved that I can find....just buried. I'd much rather have CDMA's 800 Mhz footprint across America on Verizon/Alltel/Sprint and the other mature carriers, than this 1900 Mhz PCS nonsense where you have to be within 2 miles of a tower, which will never work in the country......no matter what nonsense goes on overseas. I'm no CDMA defender, if you look back. I blame the FCC for not doing what needed to be done, REGULATE Sellular to force every carrier on the SAME technology, instead of this stupid anti-churning divergence we've all endured since we left AMPS. Imagine if the FCC didn't regulate digital TV and CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, CNN, MSNBC all had DIFFERENT modulation schemes. What a mess...just like Sellular. >> This is something you CDMA guys don't have to deal with. You already >> know from the get-go your handset is essentially useless outside North [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > At the price of overseas roaming, ALL American handsets are "essentially > useless outside North America"......That's why there's Skype...(c; No, that bit is wrong. A GSM/UMTS handset with the right frequencies is perfectly useful outside of North America, you just take out the US carrier's SIM card and plug in a SIM from another carrier whose prices are good where you are. It isn't the handset which determines how you are charged, it is the SIM card. What the handset determines is whether you can make use of the cheap service or not. > I'd much rather have CDMA's 800 Mhz footprint across America on > Verizon/Alltel/Sprint and the other mature carriers, than this 1900 Mhz PCS > nonsense where you have to be within 2 miles of a tower, which will never > work in the country......no matter what nonsense goes on overseas. I have one of those too (thanks to the fact that the other line on the plan uses huge numbers of minutes roaming in Canada and Mexico), but if I had to have just one contract phone I'd keep the one with the SIM in it since the prospect of losing phone service in rural America worries me much less than the possibility of losing phone service when I get off the plane in a country where I don't speak a word of the language, don't have any local money and can't find the person who was supposed to be there to meet me. To each his own. And if you spent time in Mexico, actually, you'd have the opposite view about coverage. If you want good coverage in the country you buy the (Telcel) 1900 MHz GSM service, the only reason to use the 800 MHz CDMA service is if you are getting it cheap. All tradeoffs are really specific to where you are and what you do. Dennis Ferguson > And if you spent time in Mexico, actually, you'd have the opposite view > about coverage. If you want good coverage in the country you buy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dennis Ferguson I live IN Mexico.....Charleston, SC. All our Mexicans have Nextel, probably their boss'...(c; You need your lawn mowed? perhaps some new flowers for the driveway or the driveway resurfaced? ------------------------------------------------------- After the invasion is complete, I'm moving to Acapulco to get away from them.....THEN I'll need a Mexican phone.... Why do I have to dial 1 for ENGLISH? No place in Iran ever told me to dial 1 for Farsi! >> This is something you CDMA guys don't have to deal with. You already >> know from the get-go your handset is essentially useless outside North [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > At the price of overseas roaming, ALL American handsets are "essentially > useless outside North America"......That's why there's Skype...(c; Unlocked, the GSM phone can use local prepaid service. > An iPhone can STILL generate a $4000+ ATT phone bill, simply left on in > Europe, never making a call, from its email checking in. That story was > never resolved that I can find....just buried. Sure it was resolved. AT&T now warns iPhone customers of the possibility, and, IIRC offer a data shut off option for overseas travelers. Or did you mean resolved as in "AT&T refunded x dollars of the bill?" Who knows- only the guy with the big bill knows. Websites like the Consumerist never print the "good" when a corporation does the right thing- only the "evil." > I'd much rather have CDMA's 800 Mhz footprint across America on > Verizon/Alltel/Sprint and the other mature carriers, than this 1900 Mhz > PCS > nonsense where you have to be within 2 miles of a tower, which will never > work in the country......no matter what nonsense goes on overseas. AT&T- you remember- the largest carrier in the US, is a 800MHz carrier just like Verizon, Alltel, etc. They just happen to use GSM instead of CDMA. (Sprint, BTW, like T-Mobile, is a 1900MHz carrier exclusively- any "800" they support is via roaming only.) > I'm no CDMA defender, if you look back. I blame the FCC for not doing > what > needed to be done, REGULATE Sellular to force every carrier on the SAME > technology, instead of this stupid anti-churning divergence we've all > endured since we left AMPS. Agreed- I also agree that a single unified standard should have been adopted. > Imagine if the FCC didn't regulate digital TV and CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, CNN, > MSNBC all had DIFFERENT modulation schemes. What a mess...just like > Sellular. Agreed- I've used that same analogy myself- the analogy works pretty well since the guys behind NBC and CBS actually supported different TV broadcast standards in the beginning. The FCC back then did the right thing and essentially locked them all in a room until they picked a single standard! The exact same thing should've happened with cellular- the "official" US standard should've been chosen 20 years ago- TDMA, CDMA or GSM, and we'd all be happily stuck with it. (And any deficiencies of the chosen standard could've been "corrected" with overlays, the same way GPRS, 1X, UMTS, EVDO, LTE. etc. are "overlaid" on the original GSM and CDMA voice/1st gen data networks. >> I don't understand that being a problem. The phone runs on all >> bands and all modes and simply selects the one you want, not being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > any forthcoming USA version (that will substitute 850/1900 WCDMA for > 900/2100) will be a eunich in Japan because it will lack 2100. It is more than just the countries where only 2100 MHz works (Korea is another if you don't want to pay CDMA roaming rates), sometimes 2100 MHz is the best choice even when GSM is available. If you spend some time in the UK and expect to use the phone a lot, with Three prepaid service you can buy 700 minutes of voice (to landlines and mobiles) for $40 and a week of 3G data service for $10 (in a country where the hotels often want $30 a night or more for the in-room Internet service). You also get free roaming on sister networks in Ireland, Italy and Austria, and pretty good roaming rates in other EU countries. The only catch is that the service is 2100 MHz only, even for voice, so you have to have that kind of phone to use it at all. > Much like how most early GSM phones were either US or European frequency > due to the expense of cramming more bands in, most of today's "early" 3G > phones offer only two or three of the (at least) six 3G bands currently in > use worldwide. Dennis' solution is to use different 3G phones for > different countries, others simply use a phone with domestic 3G and put up > with slow EDGE data elsewhere. Yes, though in a lot of places 3G or EDGE isn't the choice. A lot of the operators which invested in 3G never bothered with EDGE, so if you don't have a 3G phone you're stuck with GPRS. The difference between those is big enough to make you really, really want to look for a 3G phone. Dennis Ferguson |
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