In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

I didn't look at the cites.  Instead, I glanced over my shoulder at
my brand-new, fresh from the cable company DVR.  It allows skipping
forward and back, and you can set the time interval from ten seconds to a
few minutes for each.  I set the Forward for 30 seconds, and the back for
10.  The feature is designed specifically to zap commercials.

OK, I looked.  The article doesnot deal with zapping commercials. I won't
bother with the others, as you seem to be confusing different things.

Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
sellphone!

That's not good enough:  I want the cost of a gallon of gasoline
per message or call, just for receiving it, even if I hang up
immediately or don't respond to the text message.  (Cell phone
companies can get 10% of what the advertiser pays for the accounting.)

Responding to a half-hour survey should pay at least the cost of
a full tank of gasoline or the cost of a month of cellphone service,
whichever is higher.  And this should be a *CASH* credit:  if advertisers
call you enough, you might be able to pay for your cell phone bill,
gas costs, car payment, and possibly child support each month.

And you can have "those good old days"!! I like the present a bunch
better. At least I have the funds to buy what I want instead of what I
had to have to survive!!

This whole thread is just so much crap & most of us know that!!!! I
don't depend on any US server to deliver my newsgroups, because I have
an overseas server paid for years in advance that will cover those
that are dropped here. astraweb.com

Tom J

Just a quick thought....

Mind you, I'm not a fan of advertising, but then here's a good point.
Broadcast TV is free. You don't have to have cable or satellite to have TV.
All they give you is more channels (and supposedly better reception)
But, they certainly aren't mandatory to watch television.

So then who the hell then actually pays for the programming.? That's right - ads.
Basically, a necessary evil, so to speak. You want free TV - you have advertising.

Then, with a TiVo, boop, boop, boop - no ads. Works for me....

Larry the luddite - at least you are consistent - for the umpteenth time...

On Jun 17, 10:07 pm, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com>
wrote:

Todd Todd you better get some medication. You are going to have your
mine blown but I figured out what they are doing and it is child's
play.

Do a Google search for 'IMSI catcher'. This is high tech GSM equipemnt
introduced a few years ago by a German firm that exploits weaknesses
in the design of the GSM network. Basically it allows for a man in the
middle attack on the GSM network that forces all nearby phones to
reveal their internal network number. Since the phone is nearby it is
perfect for receiving advertising directing them to your business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher

With that knowledge you can do far more than send the sucker SMS text
advertising but if you are really evil you now own their phone and can
send them special SMS data messages that reprogram it to do SPY
things. This is perfect for detectives, the CIA, and criminals in big
business.

To quote from an article several years ago...
Intercepting cellphone calls really is child's play

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/7216/127/

"I also queried his claim that interception is 'child's play' since he
had given no indication as to how the call is retrieved from the
compromised phone. It does indeed appear to be child's play. Here is
what Hafner told me:

"We can sent a service SMS to any phone (regardless of the operating
system) and reprogram the SIM card and/or parts of the phone. (A
service SMS is a specially formatted SMS that contains data
instructions for the reconfiguration /programming and/or update of
phones and SIM cards.).

"While usually a service SMS should be sent by the provider to upgrade
the SIM card and configure the phone, normal users can also simulate
this and send a service SMS. Here the phone and SIM card of the victim
are reprogrammed in a way that each entering or exiting phone call are
silently conferenced with the attacker.

"It is the victim's phone that creates a second 'hidden' conference
call to the attacker. Also the victim pays for this second telephone
call. (Equivalent to a 3-way conference call) In order not to show on
the monthly bill, the attacker can chose to get called on an anonymous
0800 number that is redirected through VoIP. In this way the call is
not charged to the victim and the number does not appear on the
monthly statement."

By goolly this stuff sounds like it was developed by Larry when he had
too much time on his hands. ;>) No wonder he calls them sell phones!