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William Bray - 26 Aug 2003 04:28 GMT

At recent "The Future of Communications" meeting, often aired on C-Span,
the representatives from Verizon and SBC (Cingular?) both spoke in
unision. With 6 major providers they felt that it was too many.

The Verizon spokesman went on to say that Verizon did not want to
considered "just another mere talk phone provider." They want to make
their cell phones comparable to their land line DSL internet services.
Maybe is some remote future?

Recently I have been hearing every day folks commenting that they would
see what was left "when all the dust settles."

So who should get of Dodge?

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Bill Radio - 26 Aug 2003 07:47 GMT

William,
Qwest will throw in the towel at the end of this year. This gives Sprint
more customers. That leaves AT&T, Cingular and T-Mobile heading toward
convergence. So it isn't who will leave , but who will merge.

Only the carriers think 6 is too many. Consumers should have a choice. I
like our current choice of 7, soon to be 6. The carriers would be happy to
have half as many customers, as long as they're paying double the price!

Bill Radio
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> At recent "The Future of Communications" meeting, often aired on C-Span,
> the representatives from Verizon and SBC (Cingular?) both spoke in
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> So who should get of Dodge?

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Dan W. - 26 Aug 2003 14:40 GMT

I would guess that we could expect to see 2 major CDMA players and 2
major GSM players?

Verizon
Sprint
ATT/Cingular/TMob
ATT/Cingular/TMob

What i'm really curious about is what will happen with the GSM folks.
Who will merge with whom? I know it's only speculation, but i'd still
like to know before i made any changes. I'd hate to leave AT&T for
T-Mobile only to have the two become one in 12 months.

With Cingulars recent purchase of Spectrum and AT&T's recent buy-back of
debt, it makes me think that Cingular will remain on it's own and T-Mob
and AT&T will join forces in some way, shape or form...

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"Bill Radio" <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote in article

> William,
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Baylor reinhart - 26 Aug 2003 15:13 GMT

Would also like to see ATTWS acquire the remainder of Suncom here in
Central VA.

hominid7@hotmail.com (Dan W.) wrote in article
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> I would guess that we could expect to see 2 major CDMA players and 2
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phone man - 26 Aug 2003 17:42 GMT

That will happen soon enough.

baylorr@hotmail.com (Baylor reinhart) wrote in article
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> Would also like to see ATTWS acquire the remainder of Suncom here in
> Central VA.

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William Bray - 27 Aug 2003 03:01 GMT

At present Cingular has signed in with Suncom. However, AT&T has the
greatest GSM foothold in Florida. As T-Mobile has just signed new deals
with AT&T a stronger GSM presence in that state may develop.

baylorr@hotmail.com (Baylor reinhart) wrote in article
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> Would also like to see ATTWS acquire the remainder of Suncom here in
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Group Special Mobile - 26 Aug 2003 15:49 GMT

>With Cingulars recent purchase of Spectrum and AT&T's recent buy-back of
>debt, it makes me think that Cingular will remain on it's own and T-Mob
>and AT&T will join forces in some way, shape or form...

People can speculate on M & A's till the cows come home and frequently
do. What else is new?

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Rob - 27 Aug 2003 00:20 GMT

So where is Nextel in you estimation?

Similar technology is nice, but when businesses merge or buy another
it's not just because they use the same staples in their stapler.
Nextel and Sprint are carrying the biggest debt load of the Big 6 and
T-Mobile's shareholders have never been happy with the purchase of
Voicestream. Nextel has the most attractive customer base and with the
other carries adding "push to talk" (I hope they don't sue me for
using that phrase). Seems Nextel is a pretty attractive target.

As we have seen the carries want and need bandwidth. Towers are
towers. I could see a carrier buying/merging with another,
retrofitting the prime towers and selling off the other assets.
Foreign ownership will matter too. Sprint, Nextel, Cingular and
Verizon hold most of their cards here in the good old USofA. T-Mobile
and AT&T have significant foreign ownership and those partners have
plans for the future.

I could see:
Verizon buyout Nextel (PTT and a huge base of business customers)
Cingular merging with Sprint (they really deserve each other)
AT&T & T-Mobile (But only if the Germans or Japanese blink)

Don't go out and buy stock with my thoughts in mind, but don't be
surprised if you see Nextel and Sprint go first.

--Rob

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William Bray - 27 Aug 2003 02:50 GMT

What of Nextel? Nextel is not considered to be in the same ball park as
most carries. However, with the recent plunge of VZS into PTT Nextel
may be in for a tail spin. PTT has been Nextel's strong point &
Motorola phones were designed to run on Nextel's iDENT system (which is
why they get such poor performance on GSM systems). Now you get PTT on
CDMA. Does anyone see an attack on Nextels' market?

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Group Special Mobile - 27 Aug 2003 15:36 GMT

>Verizon hold most of their cards here in the good old USofA. T-Mobile
>and AT&T have significant foreign ownership and those partners have
>plans for the future.

You're not aware then that Vodafone owns 45% of Verizon Wireless?

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