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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint
This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy extras and carry them in your pocket. http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/2008/06/samsung-instinct-with-haptic-feedbac k.html Sunday, June 22, 2008 Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more! The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network. This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for. With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you just switch them out while you charge the other. With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call comes through. A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store, and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled though larger previews with filmstrip mode. Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want your most-used features to be placed front and center. Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store, games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on- the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail, whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service. On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses. What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable, 3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed materials with CD. > This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy > extras and carry them in your pocket. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed > materials with CD. How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct. So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to $210. Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so you have to buy another one again. Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text? Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is needed to keep the instinct running during the day? Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC? What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration? 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:2f5aaab7-b15a-4350-8cb8- b47394d14b05@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy > a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct. Sorry, fanboi, memory is UNLIMITED because YOU get to hotswap microSDs any ol' time ya want! Maybe you'll be able to, someday, but not before Apple wants YOU to have control of the FruitFone. > So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then > add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to > $210. Oops...it's not an SD card, it's a microSD card. Either way you just GOTTA quite buying sh.t from the FruitFone store! Here's the real prices: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo= 3799796&Sku=C10-1130 2GB with FREE SD adapter to go in a WINDOWS box - $10 http://www.buy.com/prod/dane-elec-4gb-microsdhc-micro-secure-digital-high- capacity-card/q/loc/101/207498748.html 4GB Class 4 - $30/free shipping. http://www.buy.com/prod/dane-elec-2gb-microsd-secure-digital-sd- card/q/loc/101/204304890.html Buy.com also has a 2GB microSD with SD adapter for the PC so you can swap pictures/movies/music/stuff back and forth to the Instinct for $10 each with free shipping. 16GB/2=8 cards x $10 = $80, not $180 to $210 where you shop. > Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so > you have to buy another one again. Er, ah, I don't know about the Fruit company, but every SD or microSD device I own you have to FIGHT to get the tiny cards out of the devices clutches, locked inside. My stuff even has a door to keep it clean that seals. I suppose I could lose them, but I have a little carrier card I made for the back of the N800 Linux tablet for SD cards anyone could make. I cut two pieces of plastic as wide as the battery compartment door that goes the full width across the back of the tablet, but not up the curve to the antenna radome at the top. These pieces simply match the length and width of the door. They are glued to a piece of blue (to match my blue LEDs, of course) foam from a craft shop (Walmart) that's as thick as the SD cards are thick, which isn't much. A notch in the foam is cut for each card so the card fits into the notch between the hard plastic sheets so only a tiny sliver of the SD card, the end opposite the contacts, protrudes when the card is hard into the slot. A combination of the foam squeezing on the sides of the card and a little vacuum that forms when the card comes out of the slot, holds the cards FIRMLY inside my little card carrier. There are 4 slots, side by side, to put cards/microSD-to-SD adapters so I can plug my MotoROKR Z6m's microSD cards into the tablet's external SD slot, on the battery compartment door, glued together and glued to the door. There's just enough sticking out to get your fingernail to hook the card's edge, keeping them out of the dirt and from being lost. Storage, using 16GB cards, would be 16GB internal, 16GB external (online at a time) plus four more 16GB in the storage slots if I like for a total storage of 96GB of maps, movies, music, photos, satellite tiles, aeronautical charts, little used but quickly installable apps, and some really stupid nonsense....all in one device... 96GB is a LOT of storage...(c; But, in reality I have two 16GB cards in the little Linux box, 2 8GB cards I had before the 16GB cards and a 4GB SDHC card. The last slot is the microSD to SD adapter, which also houses an extra 2GB microSD card to swap with my ROKR Z6m when I get tired of the music on its other 2GB microSD card. It's a regular memory store! > Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple > does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the > plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text? No, because it takes the CHOICE of what you want online, and the ability to CHANGE what's in the memory slot in a couple of seconds the FruitFone cannot offer...just like most other sellphones. How long does it take to erase 9GB of movies you're tired of and REPLACE them with 9GB of NEW movies off alt.binaries.movies.divx....not even including the conversion time to one of the codecs the FruitFone can play? Download 9GB off iTunes through your computer and let us know how long that takes. > Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is > needed to keep the instinct running during the day? microSD cards are much smaller and thinner than my SDHC beasts. You could make a simple credit card carrier like the one on my battery compartment but as small as a credit card that would carry a dozen around its edges...right in your wallet. > Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that > Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC? If you have a removeable memory card, you don't need to "sync". You can have your OWN STUFF!.....well, except on Verizon where Verizon blocks everything in firmware, like makin' your own ringtones out of MP3 files. > What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration? We'll see....won't we....(c; Be honest...you'd kill for freeware apps and a real memory card, would't you? My AppleFan friend: My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are cheaper all the time. When you buy products from more than one company (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit). By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to. Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector. MANY advantages of some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective look around, if that is possible. On Jun 22, 10:30 am, 4iFone <McPherson.truck.2...@gmail.com> wrote: > This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy > extras and carry them in your pocket. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed > materials with CD. How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct. So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to $210. Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so you have to buy another one again. Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text? Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is needed to keep the instinct running during the day? Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC? What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration? > My AppleFan friend: > My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are > cheaper all the time. the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there are obviously alternatives. > When you buy products from more than one company > (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my > phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software tomtom has announced navigation software for the iphone already. > so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect > using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit). the 3g iphone has a real gps, not one which is tied to the internet. > By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super > battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to. the vast majority of cellphone users only have one battery and never need a spare. > Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector. i don't know what a 'usp' connector is, but if you mean usb, the iphone charges off usb. > MANY advantages of > some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective > look around, if that is possible. in order to be objective, one must first have the facts correct. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040720081923158325% nospam@nospam.invalid: > the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards > and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is > built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most > people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there > are obviously alternatives. I agree with you, fully. The FruitFone has no need of memory, at the moment. You're not allowed to run anything on it that will need memory, except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too. Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the ability to change it at will, is unnecessary. I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card. ....at least I have choices....(c; > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040720081923158325% > nospam@nospam.invalid: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to > store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too. i don't know where in the world you got that idea. apple does not prohibit using the included memory to store whatever is needed. > Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the > ability to change it at will, is unnecessary. it most definitely is a real computer, and one which runs unix. it also comes with 4 (now discontinued), 8, 16 or 32 gig (in the case of the ipod touch) of memory. > I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I > got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on > my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card. > > ....at least I have choices....(c; everyone has choices. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:050720080054003094% nospam@nospam.invalid: > it most definitely is a real computer, and one which runs unix. it > also comes with 4 (now discontinued), 8, 16 or 32 gig (in the case of > the ipod touch) of memory. GREAT! Take your FruitFone to: http://xournal.sourceforge.net/ Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool! Install it on your Unix FruitFone for me. Take a picture of the display on it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean a dead newsgroup noone cares about. I'll be watching for the picture. Then, go to: http://www.abisource.com/ and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word processor than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware. Take a picture of Abiword on the FruitFone screen with any document loaded into it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean, too. Let us all see how much Unix software that little Sellphone can run. There are just two of them....common ones anyone can use. You should have no trouble installing them from the FruitFone's Application Manager. They're just normal tarball files it will be able to download and install. We'll all be waiting for your postings! I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for rdesktop running on the FruitFone: http://www.rdesktop.org/ so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS.... Install it on yours. All these programs are quite tiny, so you have plenty of memory on a 4GB FruitFone to install and store them. That won't be any problem at all. OK, feed us some more horseshit for tonight. Very entertaining.... > GREAT! Take your FruitFone to: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word processor > than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware. the iphone is not intended to replace a desktop or laptop computer. while those apps might be able to be ported, there really isn't much point. there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what works for them. > I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for > rdesktop running on the FruitFone: > http://www.rdesktop.org/ vnc already has been ported. > so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into > Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS.... yep, some people do just that. > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what > works for them. Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a smartphone for. When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a firm that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if they have actually delivered or not. (googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0?  Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a > smartphone for. the iphone isn't really ideal for word processing, nevertheless, there are two (so far) of which i am aware: zoho and goffice. as for book reading, there are several ebooks already available, and i'm sure more will become available in the future. > When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a firm > that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if > they have actually delivered or not. i hadn't heard that, but with the apps store opening next week, i'm sure there will be more info. > > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. > > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the iphone isn't really ideal for word processing, nevertheless, there > are two (so far) of which i am aware: zoho and goffice. I gather both of those keep the file on a web site somewhere, not in the iPhone. That may be the best alternative available, but I can't say I like it. > as for book > reading, there are several ebooks already available, and i'm sure more > will become available in the future. I'm not talking about buying eBooks in specialized formats. The books I read are generally either downloaded for free from Gutenberg as text, manuscripts of books I've written or am writing, or (occasionally) a manuscript I'm reviewing for a publisher. They are in either text or Word format. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- D18789.16402705072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: >> there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. >> pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0? David, the FruitFone has no I/O other than what the carrier wants to sell you. Its USB port simply isn't implemented to transfer user files to/from other systems and the port is incapable of being put in host mode so the FruitFone could act like a real computer, to output the word processed document to a printer, for instance. It's bluetooth capability is also hobbled up which prevents you from using a bluetooth connection to a BT printer or other computer for document output, storage and printing. Your choice is to email it in and out, or possibly if it's allowed and supported, move it in and out through the awful itunes syncronizer nannybot. Ebooks are probably way too big for emailing. I'm not sure how big a file you can move over FruitTunes, but I suspect the carrier, hell bent on limiting data transfers to devices they control to boost profits, will have a low limit or tolerance for huge file transfers. For ebooks on the move, I'd suggest a Nokia N800 Linux tablet (around $200). Put your ebooks on any sized SD card you may already have and plug it into the handy external SD card slot located in a little magnetic door under the stand/handle below the display. Then, automatically install Evnice, the Linux document viewer: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/ The Maemo OS2008 port of it is free from: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/evince/ Its reviews are posted there, too. The N800's big SD cards (mine are both 16GB) have massive storage for a large range of ebooks/mags/etc. Not limited to just one card, because the SD cards are all hot-swappable (just open the door which automatically dismounts them from Linux, pull out the card and plug in another, close the little door which mounts the new card as a new drive automatically), you can carry your entire library of books in a watch pocket in your jeans....an immense library anywhere you go. Of course, you'll need to make margin notes, highlight text with your yellow highlighter and be able to make any kind of hand drawings on those PDF ebooks, I suppose. So, you'll need Xournal, another great Linux program ported to the Maemo platform: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal/ http://anidel.blogspot.com/search/label/xournal http://xournal.sourceforge.net/ I have a friend who is involved in major building construction for a major contractor. His whole company has fallen in love with Xournal since I set him up with it. There he stands on top of a building with a troublesome AC unit, let's say. He emails his secretary back at the office to send him the required drawings and schematic in PDF form for this unit. She emails them to him. He boots the PDF into Xournal and makes notes and drawings on the very drawings for the unit, highlighting the parts needed from the parts list with any notations their procurement people may need to assemble the needed parts.....then Xournal creates a new layered PDF file with all his drawings and notes on it to email back to the office for resolution. As he still has the original, unannotated drawings she originally sent him, further notations and layers can be added for further clarification....right on the drawings......all done from a little Linux tablet up on the roof of a 42 story building over a sellphone or wifi without lugging the laptop out of the truck, or going down to the truck in the lot. Xournal is now one of the most-downloaded apps for the Nokia tablets, right up there with Maemo Mapper (like having GPS connected Google Earth in your pocket with full vehicle tracking) and the snazziest media players like Canola 2. For word processing, nothing beats Abiword, a part of Open Office Suite on Linux. Abiword is freeware from thousands of coders working on it for years. You can run Abiword on: AbiWord: Supported Platforms Here's a list of platforms that AbiWord currently supports: * BeOS (Intel) * FreeBSD (Intel) * Linux (Intel) * Linux (PowerPC) * MacOSX (10.2 and higher) * Microsoft Windows 95 * Microsoft Windows 98 * Microsoft Windows NT * Microsoft Windows 2000 * Microsoft Windows ME * Microsoft Windows XP * NetBSD * QNX (Neutrino) * Unix (Generic) and now it has been ported to the Nokia N8xx Linux internet tablets: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ This project is in Beta 4 since January, but it works really good. Chinook is OS2008, which is a free upgrade from Nokia for the N800 so it runs N810 code. OS2007 is bora, but everyone is upgrading to OS2008...soon to have another major revision with even more new toys free. What's neat about Abiword is all the cross platform support. You can run the same word processor on Mac, Windows, Linux and your tablet, without all the conversions and nonsense....for free! Even though the Maemo Abiword isn't complete, most of its functions work very well. Onscreen typing sucks, however, but that is easily cured with the addition of the Nokia folding Bluetooth keyboard, a nearly full sized QWERTY keyboard with queer, but usable, 3rd function that takes some getting used to. The top row functions as the number/character row with an Fn key toggle that slows you down, some. The N810 keyboard is a thumb keyboard and nearly useless for typing real documents. Both the N800 and folding keyboard fit in a Case Logic laptop hard drive carrying case like a glove. There's even room for a second Li-Ion battery for the N800 and a few memory cards in the case if you're careful...a very compact useful PC when Bluetooth DUN tethered to your Sellphone as a modem. FruitFones my a.s.....nothing but a controlled toy and box office! > David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- > D18789.16402705072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Ebooks are probably way too big for emailing. That is not the case. I routinely email people the full text of books, and receive the full text of books in email. It would be a little slower with a 3G iPhone, since I gather it's slower than the broadband connection I usually use, but still entirely doable. Having to use email to get material in and out would be a minor nuisance, but only a minor one. > I'm not sure how big a > file you can move over FruitTunes, but I suspect the carrier, hell bent > on limiting data transfers to devices they control to boost profits, > will have a low limit or tolerance for huge file transfers. The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is less than a meg. > For ebooks on the move, I'd suggest a Nokia N800 Linux tablet (around > $200). Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket, although not unusably so. What I want is a pocket sized device that combines phone, web appliance, and pda, with the pda used in part for reading and light editing of books--marking things I want to change in my own manuscripts. The iPhone seems pretty good for the first two purposes, although a higher resolution screen and a physical keyboard would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be squeezed into it. ... > Of course, you'll need to make margin notes, highlight text with your > yellow highlighter and be able to make any kind of hand drawings on > those PDF ebooks, I suppose. So, you'll need Xournal, another great > Linux program ported to the Maemo platform: I don't use pdf. I generally use Word or the equivalent--my Nokia 9300, which is my current cell phone, will read and write word compatible files. ... > For word processing, nothing beats Abiword, a part of Open Office Suite > on Linux. Abiword is freeware from thousands of coders working on it > for years. You can run Abiword on: I currently run Open Office on my eee PC, under Linux. It's a nice machine, but it doesn't either fit in my pocket or connect to cellular networks. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now > Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you > happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be > squeezed into it. Exactly the Nokia tablet is not a phone. It would not suit my purposes. I also want to be able to get e-mail where Wi-Fi is not available. Which means cell data. I want a pocket sized device like you describe plus one that is an iPod too, so I can dispense carrying that device around too. I checked out the Sprint device yesterday and it won't meet my needs. I am sure it will meet the needs of others. It is great there are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am can't say for sure without owning one. No device is going to be perfect. Any device is going to have some compromise. My main concern is the touch screen keyboard. Right now I am leaning towards getting a 3G iPhone. I can buy one and try it during the 30 days return period to see if it meets my needs. I have no problem returning purchases that don't. I returned the Newton that I bought years ago that failed to meet my needs within the 30 day return period.. These groups seem to be full of kooks who hate the iPhone for no rational reason, and full of kooks who love it for no rational reason. I will ignore them and rely on my own judgement. SignatureCharles Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:060720081002547355%fort514 @mac.com: > Exactly the Nokia tablet is not a phone. It would not suit my purposes. > I also want to be able to get e-mail where Wi-Fi is not available. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am > can't say for sure without owning one. His statement about not being able to connect without wifi is not true. The N8xx tablets all have Bluetooth DUN to connect to your sellphone data through a capable sellphone. My N800 tethers to a ROKR Z6m on Alltel EVDO at about 1Mbps for internet on the road. Mounted in its suction cup windscreen mounting bracket so I can see the various mapping softwares' picture, it downloads on-the-fly the map tiles for Maemo Mapper, for instance, over the link. I also listen to one of my fav internet radio stations on the road using Streamtuner, which feeds the links for Shoutcast or Xiph to mplayer for radio and TV stations. To listen to Cowboy music, you must listen to a proper radio station in Cowboy Country. That'd be KSEY in Seymour, TX, one of the few real radio station left run by humans, not corporations. www.radioksey.com give a listen..(c; Steal your kids portable game player and carry it around all next week. Every time you want to use a phone, hold it up to your ear opened up as it's about the size of an iPhone. Now, make the actual call with your tiny sellphone you're using now. Doesn't that feel better and less conspicuous than the Gameboy? With a dual-unit setup you have a CHOICE whether to carry along the computer part....or NOT. If you're going shopping, for other than FruitFone accessories, you wouldn't, given a choice, carry the FruitFone. If you're going for groceries, you wouldn't, given a choice, carry the FruitFone, either. If you're going anywhere that might endanger the expensive FruitFone with water, overheating, physical abuse...given the choice....you'd have left it in the car or at home, such as cleaning out the gutters on that rickety ladder and getting all dirty. With a normal sellphone, you drop it in your pocket and don't give it a second thought. It's only $50, after all. With the FruitFone, N800, expensive Blackberry, WinMo PDA....you're endangering a MUCH MORE FRAGILE device with water and dirt and SCRATCHES TO THE SCREEN....and thinking twice about that $600 replacement cost if you bust it. Replacements are NOT going to be $199 when it falls off the ladder onto the driveway being big and kicked out of your pocket by bumping it against the ladder step. THIS is why I think the much more intelligent choice is a SEPARATE fragile computer device and a cheaper sellphone you can replace with a refurb that's not so fragile tucked away in your back pocket. The two device scenario just makes more sense. It's not always appropriate to be carrying around a miniature laptop, no matter how cutesy it is.....because you MUST have that sellphone for comms....With two devices, you're never forced to. You can get email on your sellphone, if it's that important. Read it on the sellphone and leave it on the server so that it will automatically download to the tablet when it's more appropriate to use that, after you come down off the ladder. Y/N messages are still easy from the sellphone's crappy email client...same as now. Cut out an exact cardboard replica of the FruitFone and test it for appropriateness for a week or two and see how sick of being forced to carry it around in places you wouldn't you get. If you can tolerate it, great! Buy it. But carrying it around for 10 minutes at ATT is no test of your meddle to tolerate carrying around a big fragile tablet all the time just so you can answer the phone. Think, man, THINK!! > His statement about not being able to connect without wifi is not true. > The N8xx tablets all have Bluetooth DUN to connect to your sellphone > data through a capable sellphone. My N800 tethers to a ROKR Z6m on That is nice but some only want one device. Not two or three. Not a separate phone, tablet and iPod. > so fragile tucked away in your back pocket. The two device scenario > just makes more sense. It's not always appropriate to be carrying > around a miniature laptop, no matter how cutesy it is.....because you > MUST have that sellphone for comms....With two devices, you're never > forced to. It makes sense to you. I say everyone should choose the scenario which makes sense to them. > Cut out an exact cardboard replica of the FruitFone and test it for > appropriateness for a week or two and see how sick of being forced to > carry it around in places you wouldn't you get. If you can tolerate it, > great! Buy it. But carrying it around for 10 minutes at ATT is no test > of your meddle to tolerate carrying around a big fragile tablet all the > time just so you can answer the phone. Think, man, THINK!! If I get an 3G iPhone I will have an actual device to test for 30 days. I don't need a cardboard replica. As I said I would have no hesitation returning it if I could not tolerate it. If I get one I will post about it including if I return it. SignatureCharles > > Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you > > happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am > can't say for sure without owning one. I have no use for an iPod, which is part of the problem. The iPhone seems designed as phone, web device, and iPod (now also gps). What I want is phone, web device, and pda (and gps would be nice as well). So the iPhone probably fits your requirements better than mine. A number of phones have been announced, and a couple are even out, that seem to fit my requirements, but the ones that are out so far have problems. The Nokia E90 I actually bought, tried, and returned. Its 3G (as of the time I got it, at least) is on a frequency that no US carrier supports, and its word processor can only hold one book at a time and takes ten minutes or so to load a book, making it much inferior to my 9300 from that standpoint. All of them are a bit small in the keyboard and screen dimensions, save for the HTC Advantage which is probably too big (but I haven't actually seen one) and uses an odd two piece design that looks less convenient than a mini-notebook form factor. The iMate ultimate is one possibility, but the screen is only 2.8." I'm hoping that when the Android phone eventually appears, one of the versions will fit my requirements. Ideally I want something which can fit in my pocket with at least a 640x480 screen, preferably four inches or so diagonally, 3G connection, decent word processing software and a usable physical keyboard. My old Psion Revo fits in a pocket and has a surprisingly usable keyboard, but of course it isn't a cell phone, is obsolete in several ways, and is no longer on the market or supported. ... > These groups seem to be full of kooks who hate the iPhone for no > rational reason, and full of kooks who love it for no rational reason. > I will ignore them and rely on my own judgement. Yes. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: > The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is > less than a meg. I suppose just text will fit. My ebooks are usually technical manuals, journals, technical books full of drawings and magazines. Magazines are the worst. A pdf of a magazine is from 15-50MB, easy! National Geographic is usually around 38MB every month. Email would croak...(c; Some mags like Scientific American at 5-7MB is doable in email. No thanks. I'd just rather pop the 16GB SDHC into the USB adapter and let the file manager copy them all over to one of the big cards marked ELIT. I don't have time to sit and choose and email like a snail, even on broadband. Besides, it would eat the battery doing all that downloading. And, many people, including FruitFone people need to save that 5GB/month limit for more useful things. > David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- > 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is usually around 38MB every month. Email would croak...(c; Some mags like > Scientific American at 5-7MB is doable in email. I don't have any need for graphics in the books I read on my cell phone. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: > I currently run Open Office on my eee PC, under Linux. It's a nice > machine, but it doesn't either fit in my pocket or connect to cellular > networks. The eee is a nice machine, but seems to lack the company-encouraged community of Linux hackers that Maemo created to support it with eee- enhanced freeware. I played with a couple, one at CompuZone that one of the techies had with him. He's trying to sell it, now, so he can buy an N800. The killer was the 4GB or 8GB "solid state disk" drive. I suppose you can plug in an SDHC card, but I seem to remember something about it didn't support a very big card, so I suppose you'll need a USB adapter for the big cards for storage sticking out the side. In a technology time where memory is just dirt cheap, that should have been 40GB and 80GB, not 4G and 8G. The OS and programs are tiny on Linux and that's not the problem....it's the storage for MEDIA that takes up so much space. > David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- > 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The killer was the 4GB or 8GB "solid state disk" drive. The Linux version comes with 20 Gig internal. > I suppose you can > plug in an SDHC card, but I seem to remember something about it didn't > support a very big card It takes at least an 8 gig, which is what I have, and I know of no limit other than what cards are available. > so I suppose you'll need a USB adapter for the big > cards for storage sticking out the side. In a technology time where memory > is just dirt cheap, that should have been 40GB and 80GB, not 4G and 8G. > The OS and programs are tiny on Linux and that's not the problem....it's > the storage for MEDIA that takes up so much space. I have a 120 gig Passport USB hard drive--weighs a few ounces, holds all the stuff that I don't absolutely have to have on the eee itself. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- 4C7968.16204906072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: > I have a 120 gig Passport USB hard drive--weighs a few ounces, holds all > the stuff that I don't absolutely have to have on the eee itself. I ordered a new Maxtor 250GB USB laptop (self-powered from USB) drive yesterday. They were $99 at Best Buy, but I never buy anything from BB before smartly pulling out the N800 on Sellular internet to "check prices" with the real world. Some little computer company had the drive for $66 with free shipping, so I ordered it....from right inside Best Buy's computer department in the hard drives section. One of the blue shirts asked me what I was doing because I had my credit card in my hand. "I'm buying this drive for $66 with free 3-day shipping and no sales tax.", I told him as I completed the shipping forms on the tablet and pointed out the drive I wanted. 33% off is 42% off with taxes!.... Best Buy can do better.... > > I currently run Open Office on my eee PC, under Linux. It's a nice > > machine, but it doesn't either fit in my pocket or connect to cellular [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > community of Linux hackers that Maemo created to support it with eee- > enhanced freeware. It doesn't really need that- it's a "real" Linux PC with a standard PC architecture. Any Linux software for PCs will run on it. Your tablet needs a "Community" because it's NOT a PC, and needs software customized for it's non-x86 processor and unique hardware configuration. "Off the shelf" Linux software can be loaded on the EEE- no "hacking" or "porting" necessary. Where a hacker community has sprung up for the EEE is in the hardware- the hackers have added touchscreens, internal USB ports to hide GPS, cell data cards, more storage, etc. > I played with a couple, one at CompuZone that one of > the techies had with him. He's trying to sell it, now, so he can buy an > N800. > > The killer was the 4GB or 8GB "solid state disk" drive. I suppose you > can plug in an SDHC card, but I seem to remember something about it didn't > support a very big card, so I suppose you'll need a USB adapter for the > big cards for storage sticking out the side. It supports up to the current maximum- 32GB, AFAIK, but I use an 8GB as a fixed "D" drive. (The 8GB was cheap and large enough for my purposes.) > In a technology time where memory > is just dirt cheap, that should have been 40GB and 80GB, not 4G and 8G. It's a $300 PC- 32GB SDHC cards cost over half of that! Look a why thos Macbook Airs are too expensive- SSHDs are (relatively) expensive. > The OS and programs are tiny on Linux and that's not the problem....it's > the storage for MEDIA that takes up so much space. It's a real PC- standard cards, USB drives, etc. will work, no hacking necessary. I played with the included Linux OS for two days and slapped XP on mine instead. XP used 2.5 GB of the included 4GB "hard drive" but there's plenty of space on my 8GB SDHC card. It's a nice web-connected device- I'm not using it as a media PC- just an e- mail/web/remote terminal for the family when traveling. I typically use my WinMo phone for all that. (about the eeePC) > It's a $300 PC- 32GB SDHC cards cost over half of that! Look a why thos > Macbook Airs are too expensive- SSHDs are (relatively) expensive. ... > I played with the included Linux OS for two days and slapped XP on mine > instead. XP used 2.5 GB of the included 4GB "hard drive" but there's > plenty of space on my 8GB SDHC card. It's worth noting that Todd and I are talking about different models. Mine is the newer 900, which costs about $550, has a 9" screen and, in the Linux version, a 20 gig flash "hard drive." Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now > It's worth noting that Todd and I are talking about different models. > Mine is the newer 900, which costs about $550, has a 9" screen and, in > the Linux version, a 20 gig flash "hard drive." Yes- I should have made that clear- sorry. I bought mine shortly before the new model (900 series?) was released. I have the lower end 4G Linux unit with 7" screen and webcam which listed at the time for $399, but was offered at Buy.com on a special $300 deal. For $300 lousy bucks I couldn't resist, and frankly didn't expect much. I was very impressed however, by the performance if the device particularly considering it's low-end specs. It even handles media playback and VoIP well. IIRC, the 9" has a faster processor and more memory in addition to the larger SSHD drive in the original device's form-factor. I'll wager it's even more impressive! David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr- 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET: > Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you > happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be > squeezed into it. Sentence one simply isn't true. The N800 connects via BT DUN to my ROKR Z6m sellphone modem, about the only thing the ROKR is good for except as a mediocre MP3 player. The Z6m has EVDO "broadband", a nebulous term that means it goes faster than 1X did, but way slower than your cable modem. The N800 autoconnects to my cell's data link at bootup and every 5 minutes at idle because EVDO is a ppp over BT that dumps and disconnects you when dormant. So far, until the bastards at Verizon kill it, Alltel provides unlimited service, the only one left here, so staying connected just speeds up everything, not waiting for the connect-on-demand. Sentence 2 - so is the FruitFone, Blackberry and PDAs. I can't imagine having to carry anything bigger than the Z6m, any more, into a store or the mall just to have a phone. I'm not forced to carry my "computer" just to have sellphone service, another way of pitching the one unit vs 2 unit argument. My only gripe with the Z6m is I'm old and I lose it every once in a while because its so tiny. Any device that's a PDA and so tiny is worthless unless you have supervision because even the 800 pixel N800 is way too small many times as a web browser. This zooming in and out crap on a smaller screen is stupid. I wear 4.50X reading glasses and that makes the screen "bigger" so I can read it without all the zooming and scraping around on a page. Sellphones should fit in a big watchpocket or with your glasses in a pocket T shirt, my "working uniform" since retiring. In cold climates, it matters lots less with all the jacket pockets. Here in the South where we try to be as naked as the cops will allow in the heat, it's much more of an issue. Nokia seems to be on the right track developing a new phone that bends around your wrist. Dick Tracy would be very proud of them. That phone, if it ever materializes, will blow away the rest. Just fold it up and put it in your pocket or wrap it around your wrist (or neck?) and be on your way. I'll be dead before it comes out, but find it very interesting. Your last sentence left out the need for a better resolution real touchscreen with the choice of a much more accurate stylus, again having to screw around with the zooming in and out nonsense. If they're going to go to a higher resolution display you want, they must dump the cheap capacitive, low res touchscreen for a higher res stylus screen so you can precisely point and draw. Lack of a stylus eliminates the FruitFone from any useful drawing or graphic tablet devices, such as Xournal. It's very hard to pick the link you want on normal webpages because your fingertip is just too big for the tiny points and a higher res screen will just make it much worse. The lack of a good keyboard is easy to fix. Open the damned bluetooth protocols on the FruitFone to include HID and there's already 20 keyboards to choose from. I'm not interested in the N810 because it has a useless thumb keyboard I cannot type on. The N800 BTed to the Nokia folding keyboard is a FAR better arrangement for typing. I'm typing on it on this message using Linux rdesktop over free wifi from Linda's Diner having lunch to my WinXP box's Remote Desktop running Xnews on Knology Cable broadband. All FruitFone needs is a little Bluetooth work and you can drop a keyboard in your bag for when you really need a typing keyboard. Maybe FruitFone v15 will have a foldout foot so it will stand up on a table, then have a laser virtual keyboard projected on the tabletop so you can just type on the table, itself, when you want. I think the virtual keyboards out there are really cool, but I don't think they'd work well in a brightly lit restaurant. Texting in a technobar on a virtual keyboard from FruitFone v15 standing on its end....talk about a chick magnet!...(c; Retype my reply on a FruitFone or PDA and let me know how long it took and how many errors you made...(c; nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:050720081329587530% nospam@nospam.invalid: >> GREAT! Take your FruitFone to: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > while those apps might be able to be ported, there really isn't much > point. We don't need these deflections. YOU said the FruitFone was a UNIX COMPUTER, not I. I was suggesting you INSTALL some unix/linux freeware that is very useful, even on the FruitFone, for free! The REAL point is YOU CAN'T...because it's not a computer, especially a "Unix computer". All Unix computers I ever saw had installable applications stored on some kind of memory device and ran code to do useful things the administrator had installed. FruitFones do neither. > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what > works for them. What the hell is this deflection supposed to mean? All I asked you to do is to install some tiny unix/linux apps anyone can download for free, boot them up and take a picture of the screen of the FruitFone and post the picture so we can verify that, in fact, the softwares were running on a FruitFone, cracked or not. Then, using the FruitFone's application manager again, you simply uninstall them and go about your miserable life. It's really quite simple! >> I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for >> rdesktop running on the FruitFone: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > yep, some people do just that. Interesting. I've never seen one piece of evidence or picture of VNC running on a FruitFone, even disconnected from any useful system. I'd think Jobs would be waving the FruitFlag in shock and awe at the business community if the damned thing ran even a piece of VNC business could use.....but there's NOTHING....(crickets chirping in a deserted drivein).... > >> http://xournal.sourceforge.net/ > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > We don't need these deflections. YOU said the FruitFone was a UNIX > COMPUTER, not I. actually, apple did. > I was suggesting you INSTALL some unix/linux freeware > that is very useful, even on the FruitFone, for free! and i'm suggesting that it's silly to make the iphone do things that it's not well suited to do. if word processing is important, then there are better devices to use. but if one really wants to install unix freeware, there's nothing stopping them from doing so. > The REAL point is YOU CAN'T...because it's not a computer, especially a > "Unix computer". then what is it? > All Unix computers I ever saw had installable > applications stored on some kind of memory device and ran code to do > useful things the administrator had installed. FruitFones do neither. iphones definitely can have applications installed. what ever gave you the idea they could not? > > there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms. > > pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what > > works for them. > > What the hell is this deflection supposed to mean? it means that if something doesn't do what you want, buy something else. why must one device satisfy the needs of everyone? > >> I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade > for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Interesting. I've never seen one piece of evidence or picture of VNC > running on a FruitFone, even disconnected from any useful system. <http://code.google.com/p/vnsea/> > and i'm suggesting that it's silly to make the iphone do things that > it's not well suited to do. if word processing is important, then > there are better devices to use. but if one really wants to install > unix freeware, there's nothing stopping them from doing so. On the other hand, it's hard to understand why the iPhone isn't suited to do useful things that its hardware is easily capable of accomplishing. If it permitted connection to a bluetooth keyboard and contained, or let me install, a standard office suite--the equivalent of what I have on my Nokia 9300--I would probably have one already, and would almost certainly buy the 3G version when available. As both a customer and a stockholder, I think it reasonable to complain when a firm fails to include in a product features that I and many other customers would want, and that would cost almost nothing to include. The third feature I would like is the ability to use it as a WiFi modem to connect laptops to the web via the cell network. I can see at least one good reason for Apple not to provide that--it might substantially increase the amount of bandwidth used, which would be a cost for the cell provider. But even there, I would think it would make sense to provide it as a higher cost option--what AT&T currently does for people who want the ability to connect their laptops to the net via the AT&T cellular system. Signaturehttp://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/ Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic. Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple wannabee? No WiFi or WiMax, what was Sprint thinking? Do they really have a signal everywhere? Clearly cellphone-quality photos! No internal storage: 2-GB microSD card included (upgradeable to 8 GB only not 16 GB or greater). Can't edit attachments. Web browser needs a serious reworking, not even close to the beautiful easy to use iPhone Browser Includes a stylus ... but provides no slot to stow it, don't you just love it? And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's worse cellular provider according to public opinion. > Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple > wannabee? > > No WiFi or WiMax, what was Sprint thinking? Do they really have a > signal everywhere? More places than AT&T. > Clearly cellphone-quality photos! Equivalent to the iPhone. > No internal storage: 2-GB microSD card included (upgradeable to 8 GB > only not 16 GB or greater). Internal storage is for children. > Can't edit attachments. Anybody needing to edit attachments on a phone is a wnnabe. > Web browser needs a serious reworking, not even close to the beautiful > easy to use iPhone Browser It's a phone, not a computer. > Includes a stylus ... but provides no slot to stow it, don't you just > love it? > > And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's > worse cellular provider according to public opinion. In terms of customer service, yes. In terms of network, AT&T falls far short in terms of 3g coverage. >> Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple >> wannabee? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > In terms of customer service, yes. In terms of network, AT&T falls > far short in terms of 3g coverage. If 4phun's information is correct, I think he has made some very valid points. I don't agree with your responses to them. If it were, as you put it, simply "a phone, not a computer" then it wouldn't need to have any of the functions it has; it would just need to make calls. The bottom line is that, you may call it what you want, but if it's going to do stuff, it should do it well, not half-assed. Common, stylus but no place to stow it? Who thought of that??? And why compare the price of one to the other with different storage memories? That's an apple/oranges way of looking at things, which is what I think they're counting on. We'll see how much of an "iPhone killer" this thing turns out to be. About the same as the LG Voyager, I suspect. >>> Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple >>> wannabee? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > We'll see how much of an "iPhone killer" this thing turns out to be. About > the same as the LG Voyager, I suspect. Maybe a person's choice of a phone is like comparing apples to oranges. We all have our preferences. Why does one have to be a killer of the other? Can't they all live harmoniously together in a sort of phone fruit salad? >Maybe a person's choice of a phone is like comparing apples to oranges. We >all have our preferences. Why does one have to be a killer of the other? >Can't they all live harmoniously together in a sort of phone fruit salad? One minor caveat - At&t is ever more profittable every quarter; Sprint PCS is losing money and in danger of putting itself up for sale. >>>> Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple >>>> wannabee? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > killer of the other? Can't they all live harmoniously together in a > sort of phone fruit salad? Excellent response. You got my attention! :-) >>> Can you feel the pain of using the 2008 Sprint Instinct Apple >>> wannabee? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > If 4phun's information is correct, I think he has made some very valid > points. Which ones? > I don't agree with your responses to them. If it were, as you > put it, simply "a phone, not a computer" then it wouldn't need to have [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > We'll see how much of an "iPhone killer" this thing turns out to be. > About the same as the LG Voyager, I suspect. What about the long list of things he readily ignores in making the comparison? True voice dialing, turn-by-turn GPS navigation, Video recording capability, expanded media file compatability, voice command functionality, etc. Those are real functional differences. His need to focus on things like a place to put a stylus shows the desperation of his position. >>> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> amazed us all with the following in >>> news:6a43bdf5-57c9-4d55-82c0-ca8c11c88c56@ [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Those are real functional differences. His need to focus on things > like a place to put a stylus shows the desperation of his position. Well, so, ok. You have some good points too. :-) The only thing that irks me about either of these "phones" is that they built them without true MS Outlook compatibility. Guys like me, who have, for better or for worse, made themselves dependent upon MS Outlook at both home and business, need that. Please spare me the MS Exchange and MobileMe alternative suggestions. Either one is a lacking compromise at best. My Blackberry Curve syncs flawlessly with Outlook and that sort of locks me into it. I would get an iPhone if it did the same. >The only thing that irks me about either of these "phones" is that they >built them without true MS Outlook compatibility. Guys like me, who have, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Blackberry Curve syncs flawlessly with Outlook and that sort of locks me >into it. I would get an iPhone if it did the same. Try att.com/iphone or apple.com/iphone Do you not know about the iPhone 3G? All of Apple's competitors are trying to match the iPhone, and Apple has now greatly surpassed the iPhone, with the iPhone 3G. "It supports Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync, delivering push email, calendar, and contacts" http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/ > And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's > worse cellular provider according to public opinion. That's for customer service, not network coverage. >> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. > >That's for customer service, not network coverage. Sprint with most dropped calls, and worst building penetration you mean due to it being stuck with inferior PCS 1900 MHz band? >>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. >> >>That's for customer service, not network coverage. > > Sprint with most dropped calls, Cite? >>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. >>> That's for customer service, not network coverage. >> >> Sprint with most dropped calls, http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls? With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest dropped calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless used its database of call data to research the facts of the claims. Using a sample of more than 80 million calls placed and received between January 1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless found Sprint, followed by Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have the fewest number of dropped calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best, most reliable network. >>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best, >most reliable network. Going by Houston, Tx, Los Angeles, New York City, and Miami; where I have experience, I can categorically state I have experienced 90% fewer dropped calls with AT&T than Sprint. But then thats why folks call Sprint Customer Service, and then give it the worst in the industry rating. > Going by Houston, Tx, Los Angeles, New York City, > and Miami; where I have experience, I can categorically state I have > experienced 90% fewer dropped calls with AT&T than Sprint. And how long has it been since you were with Sprint? At least 2 or 3 years by your postings, IIRC. You're hardly a reliable data point (for a variety of reasons...) >>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. >>>> That's for customer service, not network coverage. >>> >>> Sprint with most dropped calls, BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! >http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >calls, nearly 50 percent behind Verizon, the carrier claiming the best, >most reliable network. Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call placed within 2 minutes. I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped calls. >>>>>> And the best of all - you have to use SPRINT which may be the USA's >>>>>> worse cellular provider according to public opinion. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call > placed within 2 minutes. And how would you have them measure? > BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call > placed within 2 minutes. True... > I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the > time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and > call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped > calls. Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen equally across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks users of some carriers experienced either indicate another reason for callbacks, such as dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and T-Mo's customers are far more forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after hanging up... >> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >forgetful than Sprint's as a whole, and think of more things to say after >hanging up... You are just guessing here. We have no way to know. >>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > You are just guessing here. We have no way to know. Actually we do but we can't see the data that is logged for internal use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual termination. >>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual >termination. We all know Sprint is stuck with the inferior PCS band of 1900 MHz which results in greater attention and less of a reach from their towers and far poorer building penetration. We also know Sprint can no longer hand you off to Verizon Analog. >>>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!! >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > which results in greater attention and less of a reach from their > towers and far poorer building penetration. No- we all know the data as it has been presented. Sprint was found to have the fewest potential dropped calls. Any deviation from the true numbers would be equally shared by all carriers. Now go take your medicine- your paranoia is starting to show again. > Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what > they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped > calls. For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users on the other carriers don't make such second calls. >> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what >> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users >on the other carriers don't make such second calls. Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T. >>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what >>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the > largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T. The big four all have mobile to mobile. More subscribers would mean more calls generated, and therefore the percentage obtained by measuring in this manner would remain consistent from carrier to carrier if mobile to mobile calls were considered. Got some other half-baked logic to try next? > Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in > > Sprint with most dropped calls, > > Cite? He doesn't have a citation... Ron is the current incarnation of our old friend "Phillipe" who left Sprint years ago, but can't seem to ge over bad- mouthing them whenever possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Tbh_umdSg Actually I have found that those unbiased reviewers who have both the LG VU and the INSTINCT as well as the old first generation Apple iPhone love ....(drum roll here please)...the OLD 2G IPHONE by far over the other two newer phones. Yes they acknowledge some nice features but they say the real world user experience still remains far better with the iPhone. Can you imagine how for a few bucks more anyone can grab a new 3G iPhone in a couple of weeks instead of living with Korean iPhone wannabes for two years? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sbQ5oGCZtY You can view both biased reviews (mainly from Sprint shills) and unbiased reviews using the Firefox 3 plug in PicLens and use the search term "Instinct vs. iPhone". I love PicLens for in full screen mode you can easily see in review after review the iPhone screen is sharper and more attractive than the others when shown side by side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2_NUZBDoKU You don't even get the real web on Sprint's offering. Also you will be rolling on the floor laughing at the Microsoft means for zooming the screen etc. Both of the newer phones serve as a painful reminder of my old Dell Axiom may that beast rest in peace. 3g Apple iPhone Video Review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw Added: June 12, 2008 (More info) This is a video review of the upcoming 3g apple.. Killer video - must watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:fdca25b4-c6e2-4608-be2b- 6552f916df93@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > 3g Apple iPhone Video Review > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Killer video - must watch > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmlm5PYkjAw Thanks, Vic, for wasting our time.... > 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:fdca25b4-c6e2-4608-be2b- > 6552f916d...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks, Vic, for wasting our time.... Gottcha Larry ? ;>) |
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