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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN! People are now starting to line up for the biggest innovation event in human history! Records will be broken as Apple continues to modernize the obsolete Cell Phone industry.  SignatureENGADGET: iPhone 3G lines start at the Apple Cube So we heard some really over-eager folks have decided to get a jump on the iPhone 3G line -- a really, really big jump. Obviously, we had to head down and see if it was true... and it is. Right now, about ten people have started a line outside of Apple's flagship store on 5th Avenue in New York. Word is that the family at the head of the queue are attempting to break some kind of record which involves their baby -- which kind of sounds a little intense if you ask us. On the other hand, you didn't hear Greg Packer complaining, right? We're going to wrangle some of these cats for an interview and video, so stay tuned! For right now, check some more pics after the break. more here: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub e-one-week-early/ and here: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/it-has-begin-iphone-line-forms-at-nyc- apple-store-aapl- come join the party! http://www.apple.com/iphone/ - > The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN! And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap). Again. >> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN! > > And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap). > > Again. Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time?? Now THERE's a "legacy" to pass on to the next generation! Thousands of babies were conceived in 1969 at the BIGGEST line ever....Woodstock.....mostly at the porta potties. I was there........I think.....(c; > Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time?? iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date. > > -- Mark -- I didn't see FruitFone babies for sale at the App Store......probably not approved by Sir Steve, yet. > > Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time?? > > iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3261002880075387210 "Lonely men who have never had sex--not even with a Catholic priest." "How do you explain this to your imaginary girlfriend?" "When is your baby due?" "June 27, six weeks." "Wow....that's the last time he'll ever see female genitalia." "Seriously...have you ever talked to a woman without having to give your credit card number?" "I have a spoiler....Here's a spoiler: you will die alone." "So this is to help you breathe....and which of these buttons calls your parents to pick you up? "The groom has kissed the bride, after years of practicing on his sister...And now the nerds are congregating for the ceremonial banging of the plastic toys; this is what a nerd circle jerk looks like." >> Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time?? > > iPhone fanboys don't reproduce. Many have not even had a date. Well, I'm not an iPhone "fanboy", but I have been married twice. Believe me, dating is overrated. Play with your cell phone; stay out of trouble. ;-) >> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN! > > And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap). > > Again. Seven days til launch. That means what, 21 days until the first wave of discounts are offered? No? So, it's fourteen days before they brick a bunch of users for watching a video that isn't Apple Approved? God, even when the Mac was new and I was an Apple tech this sort of sh.t was boring. Now, over a phone? There are just some people who don't value themselves at all except by whether they have the same gadget as someone else, that's the only thing it can be. A whole group of people who realize they're pretty much worthless and need something to own they can think makes them into something even if the something it makes them is just an idiot consumer. have a good one > There are just some people who don't value > themselves at all except by whether they have the same gadget as someone > else Next up on SNL: dozens of a-holes buy a phone. "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote: > And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap). I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave the group. It's obviously very exciting that world is about to see the first universal phone, and FINALLY with the most applications people can actually use. This is a milestone event for everyone that owns a cell phone. Ness, you'll get an iphone soon enough, don't worry! The iPhone application base as of today is 1,886, and on launch day it will be over 4,000... I as you, can't wait to get rid of all those obsolete Symbian, Blackberry, WinMobile devices! And once they are gone and true opensource on the iPhone reigns, the world will be a better place! http://www.apple.com/webapps/ more here: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub e-one-week-early/ and here: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/it-has-begin-iphone-line-forms-at-nyc- apple-store-aapl- come join the party! http://www.apple.com/iphone/ - Ness - 1 group penalty! Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-42D543.20034304072008 @news.qwest.net: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to attend, Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the meeting hall to prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and its attitude, from attending and expressing their views to the Commission. .....One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new FruitFone, making it look to the most stupid and naive public driving by that there is huge demand for a $600 sellphone toy that doesn't really do anything except eat money. Sure would love to get a look inside that Apple store's accounting programs to see what they're charging it to.....(c; > > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub > > When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to attend, > Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the meeting hall to > prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and its attitude, from > attending and expressing their views to the Commission. ah, larry, apple hasn't spent a single "cent" on seat warmers in all of its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one place only... great products! > .....One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in > line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sure would love to get a look inside that Apple store's accounting programs > to see what they're charging it to.....(c; sounds like you are jealous of someone having a vastly better products than what Nokia can come up with. Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones, it's only people like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being "ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone involved. you'll get an iPhone soon enough! so don't worry! http://www.apple.com/iphone/ >Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones I dispute it, and most other people dispute it, too. SignaturePaul Miner >> > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one place >only... Mindless obedience to "think different" just like Apple tells you? >great products! Oh, so close! >> .....One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in >> line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >sounds like you are jealous of someone having a vastly better products >than what Nokia can come up with. You couldn't pay me to own a Nokia until they take some basic UI design lessons. >Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones, I do. >it's only people >like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being >"ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone >involved. Entirely remade? Oh, like the revenue sharing? Or the limited choice in plans? Or the "active at home" scheme? > Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones, it's only people > like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being > "ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone > involved. Except that you said all this last year when iPhone 1.0 launched, and all I see a year later is Apple fixing some of their most agregious errors- lack of 3rd party support, failed revenue-sharing model, lack of features shared by other phones in it's price range (GPS, 3G), etc. > you'll get an iPhone soon enough! so don't worry! > > http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Someday, perhaps, when it actually can do what "real" PDA/smartphones do, and do it off-network. >>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/iphone-3g-lines-start-at-the-apple-cub >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > great products! Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes changed, almost overnight. While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me. The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes, which makes it even worse. I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly. Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device than the iPhone for practical use? It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access, albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term browsing. I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers? And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the device while it's relatively new. Time will tell. ♦♦♦ Todd I have been syncing OUTLOOK with the old iPhone from day one using iTunes sync function. Duh? It does not sync in version 1.14 with Outlook notes without a thrid party helper application which is FREE. I understand the new version iPhone OS 2.0 does sync Notes to but I will only know for sure when I see it in action. Microsoft has aided Apple immensely by releasing Vista for new PCs. It has aided Apple's entry into the mobile phone market by releasing Microsoft Windows Mobile and Smartphone software. ♠♠♠ ! > Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps > "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the > device while it's relatively new. Time will tell. In message <5cd852b6-fafa-43ee-8a9b-9c808c73c7e0@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> >Microsoft has aided Apple immensely by releasing Vista for new PCs. Has it? In one year, Vista has a larger market share then OSX has managed in what, seven? ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.] > Has it? In one year, Vista has a larger market share then OSX has > managed in what, seven? That's correct, in spite of the fact that OS X sucks MUCH less. :) (I think I am finally comfortable using Vista on my personal computer(s). I just got a brand-new laptop that runs Vista Ultimate. But it took almost 18 months for me to get to this point.) SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol > Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps > "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes > changed, almost overnight. apple was never close to bankruptcy, if you remember... on their darkest day, they had $1.1 billion in cash and no long term debt. but yes, they did go through a several year period of slowing sales some 12 years ago. the iMac turned everything around, not the iPod. and no, Microsoft had to pay Apple for software thefts in 1997, but it was a small amount, something like $150 million. > While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a > gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes, > which makes it even worse. but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the iPhone, you can get started here: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ > Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device > than the iPhone for practical use? it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no significant developer base. > It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s > and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the > device while it's relatively new. Time will tell. The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling. The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact. - [...] >> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell >> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact. I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000 Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or government contracts allowing them, any more than many government departments will allow them. He said making sure that vendors and other visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake" thing, Apple... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > > The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > government contracts allowing them, any more than many government > departments will allow them. the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. > He said making sure that vendors and other > visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle > as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge > security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake" > thing, Apple... Apple solved that Enterprise concern awhile ago. >>> The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it can be enabled. The capability can't exist at all. >> He said making sure that vendors and other >> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Apple solved that Enterprise concern awhile ago. By ignoring the lack of enterprise users? SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > >> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone > >> using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it can > be enabled. The capability can't exist at all. then get them without the camera. if a company wants 10,000 of them, apple will sell them that way. just ask. or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix. > >> He said making sure that vendors and other > >> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > By ignoring the lack of enterprise users? apple has given them what they want, central camera disabling, central erase, what else do you want them (or any camera vendor) to do? >>>> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone >>>> using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > then get them without the camera. if a company wants 10,000 of them, > apple will sell them that way. just ask. When Apple gets smart enough to offer version without a camera to enterprise users, the way RIM did with the 8800 series, then maybe the Iphone will merit some consideration. > or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix. Sure, that ought to do wonders for the warranty. >>>> He said making sure that vendors and other >>>> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > apple has given them what they want, central camera disabling, central > erase, what else do you want them (or any camera vendor) to do? They'll have to eliminate the camera completely if they want to sell to the largest market segment in the world. As it is, their target market is just consumers looking for the latest new gadget. Maybe that's why AT&T had to give them the largest subsidy of any smartphone. They knew they couldn't sell them otherwise. SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > >> Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it can > >> be enabled. The capability can't exist at all. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > enterprise users, the way RIM did with the 8800 series, then maybe the > Iphone will merit some consideration. apple can sell them without cameras, just ask. > > or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix. > > Sure, that ought to do wonders for the warranty. what? burnishing the lens would not affect the warranty. > >>>> He said making sure that vendors and other > >>>> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > AT&T had to give them the largest subsidy of any smartphone. They knew > they couldn't sell them otherwise. largest segment in the world? not even close. the companies needing that level of security only represent a couple 100,000 units at most. it's a yawner of a segment if you are concerned about sales. if a company needs mass iphone deployment, just ask apple for no camera, or disable the camera. both are easy to do. Enuf AAPL "advocacy". If there is a single reason not to buy a single AAPL product, it is you. WTF cares about any product advocated by NG shills like you. If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing more people off. > Enuf AAPL "advocacy". > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing > more people off. you just can't handle the truth. someday, you too will move up to a Mac & iPhone, but until then, you'll continue to suffer with windows & winmobile. grow up News! > Enuf AAPL "advocacy". > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing > more people off. If I though he was a representative of Apple instead of just a wannabe sucking on Steve Job's butt, I would never consider owning another Apple product. As it is, he's completely cured me of any latent desire I might have had for an Iphone. SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 >> Enuf AAPL "advocacy". >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > product. As it is, he's completely cured me of any latent desire I might > have had for an Iphone. We figured out he was some low level clerk or most likely stockboy at a backwater Apple store... With SEVERE delusions of grandeur.. along with the rest of the various mental illnesses that become quite obvious if one reads the crap he posts. >>> Enuf AAPL "advocacy". >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > With SEVERE delusions of grandeur.. along with the rest of the various > mental illnesses that become quite obvious if one reads the crap he posts. Yep, he does seem to be severely in need of professional help... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > > If I though he was a representative of Apple instead of just a wannabe > > sucking on Steve Job's butt, I would never consider owning another Apple [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > With SEVERE delusions of grandeur.. along with the rest of the various > mental illnesses that become quite obvious if one reads the crap he posts. you just can't stand factual information, so you become upset when correct information is presented to you. poor nessy, can win for losing. >> We figured out he was some low level clerk or most likely stockboy at a >> backwater Apple store... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > poor nessy, can win for losing. #1 - You have presented ZERO "factual information" not now - not ever. Kinda hard to lose to your complete bull sh.t - and I haven't. I HAVE (multiple times) pointed out just how full of crap YOU are. So it's actually me = winner. #2. I am certainly not "upset" - more like entertained and amused. You are so delusional, maybe a bit of pity for the mentally ill retard is in order. >> >> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed >> >> someone using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > then get them without the camera. if a company wants 10,000 of them, > apple will sell them that way. just ask. Proof? Or is this yet another one of your lies? > >> Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it > >> can be enabled. The capability can't exist at all. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Proof? Or is this yet another one of your lies? no proof is needed, i just know that apple will built to suit if the volume is right. so run the numbers, $500 per phone, 10,000 units, half a million, call them once your purchase order is ready and they'll make them. 408.996.1010 Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in news:apony- 80F4AD.23285005072008@news.qwest.net: >> >> Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it >> >> can be enabled. The capability can't exist at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > no proof is needed, i just know that apple will built to suit if the > volume is right. The you are lying, if you can't provide proof of yet another false statement. > >> > then get them without the camera. if a company wants 10,000 of them, > >> > apple will sell them that way. just ask. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The you are lying, if you can't provide proof of yet another false > statement. nope! call them at: 408.996.1010 - simply say you want to order 10,000 iphones without cameras and have a purchase order ready for $5,000,000. fact is, 100% chance they will fulfill your order. they do this sort of thing all the time IF the order is significant. 10,000 iphones is right around the threshold. try it... 408.996.1010 > or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix. Is that the Dremel SDK? > > or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix. > > Is that the Dremel SDK? I think that's part of the HDK :) Please SPAM me: i-techstore@consultant.com i-techstore@consultant.com i-techstore@consultant.com i-techstore@consultant.com i-techstore@consultant.com i-techstore@consultant.com > > I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone > > using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. Tell that to the Marine who refuses to let you into the facility he has the responsibility for guarding. Fact: no one will ever believe you when you say "oh, but it's been disabled in software, don't worry". > > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Fact: no one will ever believe you when you say "oh, but it's been > disabled in software, don't worry". but in a corporate environment, with corporate issued iphones, it's plenty. >> > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > but in a corporate environment, with corporate issued iphones, it's > plenty. Thank you for that statement. It proves positively that you know nothing about corporate security. Telling a guard that "it's disabled in software" will do nothing. If there is a lens on the device, whether "burnished with a Dremel" or "disabled in software," (your suggestions - not Apple's) you will not carry it past the guard station. That's like telling a TSA agent that the gun you're carrying doesn't have a firing pin. And lest you think that the market for non-camera phones id limited to a couple hundred thousand, you again prove that you know little, if anything, about corporate security that affects MILLIONS of employees. Oxford, I have one question for you for which I already know you will give a non-responsive answer: In light of the fact that absolutely no one - not one single post - on any of the many NG's you have posted to has agreed with anything you have to say why do you continue to spout such nonsense? Are you being paid to do this? Do you get off on the abuse? The IPhone is designed for fanbois just like you - be happy, feel superior to us, and enjoy your new toy du jour. The rest of us luddites will just continue to toil away in the darkness with products we've found to meet our own unique needs. When the first iPhone came out you told us that it was "game over" and all the other carriers would disappear as well as all the other cell phone makers. That hasn't happened yet and is not about to anytime soon. You were wrong then and nothing has changed. > Thank you for that statement. It proves positively that you know nothing > about corporate security. Telling a guard that "it's disabled in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > phone makers. That hasn't happened yet and is not about to anytime > soon. You were wrong then and nothing has changed. someday, you'll catch up to the life i live, until then... i can only laugh at your ignorance surrounding cameras in the enterprise. the iphone is the most significant phone development since electronic telephone switching happened in the mid 1960's. now the world has its first successful unix cell phone, and it's upsetting Verizon and others to extreme levels. Ivan Seidenberg of Verizon how thinks the success of the iPhone is a "conspiracy" and "hates Steve Jobs". too funny, that's a company that had a chance to have the greatest electronic device of this generation and his company failed to win Apple's interest. that will perhaps go down as one of the biggest blunders of american business when this is all over. Verizon and others are dead in the water unless they can win the iPhone. it's going to get really interesting staring in 6 days! see ya on the other side! >> Thank you for that statement. It proves positively that you know >> nothing [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > it's going to get really interesting staring in 6 days! see ya on the > other side! As expected you failed to answer any of the direct questions put to you with direct answers. Standard fanboi behavior demonstrated by simply spouting the same lines over and over without ever addressing a direct question. Yes, just 6 more days till you make love to your new toy. The rest of us will just watch and smile. > Yes, just 6 more days till you make love to your new toy. The > rest of us will just watch and smile. i probably won't get one for awhile, 3G is pretty useless when you use WiFi. i just want the 2.0 software, and you don't need a new phone for that. 7 killed, scores injured as iPhone riots continue [Jul. 4th, 2008| 10:22 am] http://brunorepublic.livejournal.com/370981.html Friday, July 4, 2008 Bruno Republic News Service The death tally climbed to seven yesterday as the Canadian iPhone riots showed no signs of abating. Angry mobs upset at Rogers' proposed iPhone pricing and contract terms hurled PVRs and molotov cell phones at riot police outside of Rogers' headquarters. A militant group calling itself the Kanada iPhone Liberation League, or KiLL, issued a statement that they would struggle for an affordable iPhone with unlimited data "by any means necessary", threatening to turn all Rogers-owned business into "a sea of fire". "It is of national importance that we liberate the iPhone," read a statement from the KiLL. "For one year, Canadians have suffered without its greatness. At long last it has arrived, but our patience has been met with ruthless price-gouging that emmasculates the iPhone experience. We must stop this unfair pricing immediately, or Canada will witness a mass exodus never seen before as people flee to the USA, the UK, Germany, or any other country that offers unlimited data. We will attack Rogers in the streets, on the fields, on the seas, and on our blogs until our demands are met." Sammy Roguey, a military analyst with the Canadian armed forces, expressed skepticism that the KiLL's tactics would be effective. "Rogers is traditionally a no-compromise organization", he explained. "They have a scorched-earth policy. The KiLL discovered this earlier this week, when they kidnapped several Rogers staff. That kind of pressure might have worked against another company, but Rogers simply fired the abducted staff for their unauthorized absence, thus leaving the KiLL with no bargaining chip." more at link... http://brunorepublic.livejournal.com/370981.html 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:001ea84a-8296-4c74-883b- e752125bce95@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > The death tally climbed to seven yesterday as the Canadian iPhone > riots showed no signs of abating. Angry mobs upset at Rogers' proposed > iPhone pricing and contract terms hurled PVRs and molotov cell phones > at riot police outside of Rogers' headquarters. The angry mobs aren't there about the FruitFone. Canadians have hated Rogers for decades before the FruitFone was invented....(c; > > > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but in a corporate environment, with corporate issued iphones, it's > plenty. Tell that to Battelle as you ask to go into their main facility. Want to make a bet on what will happen? > Tell that to Battelle as you ask to go into their main facility. Considering they do so much Homeland Security stuff and thus have to meet DHS security metrics, I'll be that no one cares if you brought in a camera phone. [snicker] > > Tell that to Battelle as you ask to go into their main facility. > > Considering they do so much Homeland Security stuff and thus have > to meet DHS security metrics, I'll be that no one cares if you brought > in a camera phone. [snicker] Not true. You're not even allowed to bring your phone into Battelle, period. Leave it at the front desk, thank you very much. Except for Oxford. His camera phone is perfectly OK. I know it, because he told me so. >>> Tell that to Battelle as you ask to go into their main facility. >> Considering they do so much Homeland Security stuff and thus have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You're not even allowed to bring your phone into Battelle, period. > Leave it at the front desk, thank you very much. Ummm...what I was alluding to was since DHS was involved, that would imply a Katrinaesque lack of security. > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software. And conversely it can be un-disabled via software. Clearly you do not understand government, cooperate, and medical security. http://www.hipaadvisory.com/live/kicking/kicking1.htm http://medicalnewswire.com/artman/publish/hipaa.shtml http://lastmilemktg.net/category/hipaa/ http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/loose-visiting-policies-lead-hipaa-violations-292 067.html Security guards (excluding TSA screeners) are savvy to which phones have cameras. So they know if your device has a camera. By prohibiting all phones with cameras, they don't have to worry about hiding, camouflaging, or disabling the camera. >> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" >> device than the iPhone for practical use? > > it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no > significant developer base. Your opinion means nothing- you've never used one. The application inventory for Balckberry dwarfs anything that the iPhone has. And before you stick your foot in it further- you need to investigate more than the Blackberry site to find them all. More lies from the Oxtard. > > it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no > > significant developer base. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you stick your foot in it further- you need to investigate more than the > Blackberry site to find them all. I had several clients with them before the iPhone appeared. Now we all laugh at how primitive they were. The app library is miniscule compared to the iPhone. 4,000 apps by July 11, and everyone better than what is available on a BB. it's like a ghost town: http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/ compared to this: http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html >> > it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no >> > significant developer base. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I had several clients with them before the iPhone appeared. Now we all > laugh at how primitive they were. Apple store janitors have clients? I don't want to ask.... > The app library is miniscule compared to the iPhone. 4,000 apps by > July 11, and everyone better than what is available on a BB. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html You can't read reall well, can you? You need to look further than that, newbie. > > > ...no significant developer base. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html I checked the Blackberry app store at Handango- ONE mobile software vendor- and it returned this: "3,846 titles for BlackBerry(R)" Pretty crowded "ghost town" they've got there... > The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead > starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling. It's statements like the above absurdity that takes you from mere fanboi to complete idiot. It's one thing talking about a product (or company) you like. It's totally another thing when you pull crap directly out of you a.s like the above. Remember your wi-fi predictions that have crashed and burned? Remember how you po-pooed 3G because your jesus phone didn't have it. I can go on and on recounting the asinine sh.t you have posted. Bottom line OxTARD - you don't even have an actual clue, do you? STFU and go away - please. > > The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is > > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead > > starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling. > > It's statements like the above absurdity that takes you from mere fanboi to > complete idiot. nah, you just aren't a student of history like I am. The Blackberry is fast becoming the Diamond Rio, the iPhone is just too popular for them to continue. you'll see! > It's one thing talking about a product (or company) you like. It's totally > another thing when you > pull crap directly out of you a.s like the above. It's based on solid historical research, I'm just the messenger. > Remember your wi-fi predictions that have crashed and burned? > Remember how you po-pooed 3G because your jesus phone didn't have it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > STFU and go away - please. Ah, but my WiFi predictions have come true, a year later you can go pretty much anywhere and have free WiFi, and this continues at an ever accelerating rate. WiMax continues to gather steam as well, so having the slow, battery eating 3G won't matter to most people with iPhones. >> > The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is >> > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > you'll see! The only thing I see (and many others) is a clueless, rabid fabboi. With NOTHING to back up the complete bull sh.t he spews... Student of history - my a.s. Pre-school, at best. Or short bus...? >> It's one thing talking about a product (or company) you like. It's totally >> another thing when you >> pull crap directly out of you a.s like the above. > > It's based on solid historical research, I'm just the messenger. You are an idiot - nothing more. Certainly not a "messenger"... Absolutely no "history" at all to back up anythjing you say. Not a shred. >> Remember your wi-fi predictions that have crashed and burned? >> Remember how you po-pooed 3G because your jesus phone didn't have it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > accelerating rate. WiMax continues to gather steam as well, so having > the slow, battery eating 3G won't matter to most people with iPhones. BZZZZZT - Wrong!! Your "WiFi predictions" have NOT come true - the exact opposite. Almost all of the muni WiFi projects have failed. Crash and burned you dolt. WiFi has gone nowhere - and it won't. Then you (still) are wrong about 3G. It (may) be what actually makes a difference worldwide with your beloved ifruit phone - I find it extremely laughable that the actual thing that (may) help the damn thing is the thing you are negative about above. More proof that you don't have even a single clue. BTW, WiMax is a completely different animal (NOT WiFi) and the jury is out. Sprint and Clearwire might pull it off - but then your beloved ifruit phone is exclusively AT&T - it will NEVER work on WiMax in the near future anyway. You are again very unclear of what you are talking about - as always. Oxy, you make it so easy!! >> > The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is >> > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Ah, but my WiFi predictions have come true, a year later you can go > pretty much anywhere and have free WiFi, Wrong again, tard. No free wifi in my neighborhood. I can hit 4 routers form my living room and all are locked. More lies form the newbie. > but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the > iPhone, you can get started here: Looking at only the FIRST page here, http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html I can see how useful those apps are. NAUGHT! Defend the home planet from asteroids Track and chart your weight loss (or gain) goals Track daily, weekly, and monthly spending limits See into the future, with Unfortune. Use this Runes reader to help reach your inner being Can you spot all states in the USA on the map? A slider puzzle Backgammon Search any product’s barcode A fun, fast, free and safe way for people to meet, flirt or date anywhere, anytime. fFollow professional and major college sports in real-time. Everyone likes knots, but nobody knows how to do a good one, now you can. >> but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the >> iPhone, you can get started here: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > fFollow professional and major college sports in real-time. > Everyone likes knots, but nobody knows how to do a good one, now you can You don't understand... These are the sort of "shiny object" that mesmerize AAPL fanbois. Not to mention they are all pay-to-play-then-pray-SDK-trash. DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:RC6ck.31510$ZE5.6322 @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: > Defend the home planet from asteroids Toy > Track and chart your weight loss (or gain) goals Why do I need to carry that with me? > Track daily, weekly, and monthly spending limits moderately useful if you have time to key in data on the fingerboard one letter at a time. > See into the future, with Unfortune. Toy > Use this Runes reader to help reach your inner being Toy > Can you spot all states in the USA on the map? Toy > A slider puzzle Toy > Backgammon Toy > Search any product's barcode Scanners are located throughout WalMart for free. Will it search the net for the best price?....NO. > A fun, fast, free and safe way for people to meet, flirt or date MySpace? Hooters? > fFollow professional and major college sports in real-time. www.espn.com - which is where I suspect the software collects its data. This is a webpage app....anyone can do it. > Everyone likes knots, but nobody knows how to do a good one, now you can. I can't believe this is a FruitFone app.....too funny. ONE moderately useful "app" anyone can do on their Palm Pilot in a hundred freeware apps, some 20 years old. REVOLUTIONARY! For this you pay $599?? DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:RC6ck.31510$ZE5.6322 @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com: > http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html HOW TOTALLY COOL! FruitFones are using NOKIA and RIM software! http://www.mywayfinder.com/applepowersearch/invalid-client- information.en.php "Clients and partners include the mobile phone manufacturers Sony Ericsson, Nokia and Blackberry (RIM)" I wonder if they're going to implement Wayfinder's map apps or just this little search daemon? Wayfinder comes on all the Nokia tablets since they bought the company out. It works really nice. I can't believe how detailed the POIs are. There's a laundromat about a mile from my house that's a Wayfinder POI, complete with its proper location and telephone number! Wayfinder on FruitFones....whoda thunkit?! > > http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Wayfinder on FruitFones....whoda thunkit?! it's no surprise, lots of the subset of rimm, sybian, winmobo apps will appear on the iphone over the next few months. the only main question is will these older apps be able to compete with the massive Mac development community? probably not, at least long term. everyone wishes them luck however! http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=7500&lang=en-UK Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-18D6E5.13071406072008 @dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net: > the massive Mac development community? Where the hell are they for the Mac? There's only half a shelf of software at the Apple Store at Best Buy, one reason it doesn't sell...the other, of course, being its awful high price. What's the website of the "massive Mac development community" you refer to?? https://garage.maemo.org/ > Where the hell are they for the Mac? There's only half a shelf of software > at the Apple Store at Best Buy, most software is sold on line these days. > one reason it doesn't sell...the other, of > course, being its awful high price. prices are comparable. for instance, adobe creative suite is the same price for either mac or windows. other applications are priced competitvely. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:060720081326370318% nospam@nospam.invalid: > prices are comparable. for instance, adobe creative suite is the same > price for either mac or windows. other applications are priced > competitvely. I was talking about the stupid computers with one button mouses.... Windows XP supercomputer - $895 Mac - $2495 The disparity is glaring, even for you blind boys. > > prices are comparable. for instance, adobe creative suite is the same > > price for either mac or windows. other applications are priced [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The disparity is glaring, even for you blind boys. apple hasn't shipped single button mice for many years... and your pricing is wrong... Mac supercomputer - $599 or $499 if you shop around. http://www.pcprices.net/macmini.shtml > Windows XP supercomputer - $895 > > Mac - $2495 > > The disparity is glaring, even for you blind boys. Specs, please. You've just made sh.t up out of thin air, just so you can throw your made-up numbers around. Without specs, anything in what you say is absolutely meaningless. I can come up with a $599 Macintosh, and I can come up with a $4299 XP machine. You know that, I know that, the whole world knows that. Windows XP supercomputer - $4299 Mac - $599 The disparity is glaring, even for those blinded like Larry. Larry, when you're as blind as fanboi Oxford, you really shouldn't throw stones. > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:060720081326370318% > nospam@nospam.invalid: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > I was talking about the stupid computers with one button mouses.... which stupid computers were those? it's definitely not macintosh. apple currently ships a *four* button mouse called the mighty mouse. it's a standard usb hid device, and should the user not find it satisfactory for whatever reason, it can be replaced with any usb standard multi-button mouse or trackball, including ones with scroll wheels. furthermore, the mac os has supported multi-button mice since the late 1980s. typically back then, multi-button mice used custom drivers, however, in the early 1990s, support for eight buttons (yes, eight) was added to the system, with no additional drivers necessary. > Windows XP supercomputer - $895 > > Mac - $2495 > > The disparity is glaring, even for you blind boys. without any specs, that comparison is meaningless. when you configure the hardware exactly the same (or as close as possible), the price difference is very small, and sometimes it's even cheaper for the mac. for example, here are some comparisons done about a year ago: <http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2007/0417_dt2800.html> <http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/desktop/2007/0807_dt1800.html> > > the massive Mac development community? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > https://garage.maemo.org/ The Mac community uses more modern distribution methods, so software is no longer burned to plastic, put in boxes, shipped to stores... in the Mac world, everybody simply downloads programs for their machines. Here are a bit over 19,000 OSX Apps. http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/ http://www.macupdate.com/ And actually, software on Macs is less expensive since developers no longer have to deal with customers living in the 80's. (no need for packaging or paper manuals, or wasteful retail stores) Poor Larry, always living 15 years in the past... Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in news:apony-FF4232.15355806072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level 3.net: >> > the massive Mac development community? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Here are a bit over 19,000 OSX Apps. Is that all? I thought there would ne a real selection to choose from. > > but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the > > iPhone, you can get started here: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > fFollow professional and major college sports in real-time. > Everyone likes knots, but nobody knows how to do a good one, now you can. Those are just the consumer Apps, wait until this friday for the full list of Business Apps. It has taken RIMM 6 years to do what Apple and their developers have done in "1". Expect over 10K iPhone apps this time next year, the iPhone SDK is extremely productive for developers. Build a great quality App in 6 weeks, where on the Palm, Sybian, RIMM, it takes over 5 months! You'll see on Friday! > > but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the > > iPhone, you can get started here: > > Looking at only the FIRST page here, http://www.apple.com/webapps/index.html > I can see how useful those apps are. NAUGHT! those are *web* apps. native apps will be available this friday when the app store opens, and unofficially, there are numerous apps available already. > Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps > "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps > 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. nonense. apple has had continuous profitable quarterly earnings for the last decade. prior to that they did have some unprofitable quarters, but they had (and still have) a huge amount of cash in the bank and were in no danger of bankrupcy. > I believe > it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the > specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing > with government regulation. microsoft paid apple $150 million in exchange for non-voting stock ten years ago for an out of court settlement regarding patent disputes and other intellectual property. since apple's stock went up in value by quite a bit, the 'punishment' turned out to be quite lucrative for microsoft. > Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes > changed, almost overnight. again wrong. the ipod was introduced in 2001 and it wasn't until 2003 with the introduction of the itunes music store when sales of the ipod started to dramatically increase. in 2004, with the introduction of the ipod mini and later, the 4th generation ipod, sales really started to climb. that's hardly overnight. > While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a > gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes > to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the > device is allowed to do. how are they limiting anything? apple released an iphone software development kit and anyone is free to write whatever apps they want. there is a restriction for selling (not writing) certain types of apps in the apple store, such as porn or hacking utilities, but that's to be expected. those types of apps will have to find an alternate distribution method. > Its failure to sync completely, easily, and > INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me. actually, that should work. > The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant > additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, what significant additional cost? > and, I think, is what did > Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes, > which makes it even worse. what's incomplete about it? > I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly. and microsoft is? > Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device > than the iPhone for practical use? in some ways it's better and in other ways it isn't. pick the device that best suits your needs. > It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s > and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term > browsing. obviously. that's true for all pocket sized devices. on the other hand, there's the comfort in not having to lug a laptop or a desktop everywhere. > I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell > phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers > will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers? > And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the > device while it's relatively new. Time will tell. yes, time will tell. >> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are >> perhaps "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > quite a bit, the 'punishment' turned out to be quite lucrative for > microsoft. While my time frame was wrong (it's been 11 years, not 5), Apple indeed appeared to be in trouble 11 years ago and appears to have been salvaged by that deal with Microsoft that you're minimizing as merely an "out-of-court settlement". Please watch the following video and particularly note the part where Jobs himself says, "Microsoft is going to be part of the game with us as we restore this company back to health..." (p.s.- watch the video; you can choose to ignore the diggs commentary which preceeds it if you feel it's too biased): http://digg.com/apple/Video:_Macworld_Boston_1997_(Microsoft_pulling_Apple_out_o f_bankruptcy) > While my time frame was wrong (it's been 11 years, not 5), Apple indeed > appeared to be in trouble 11 years ago and appears to have been salvaged by > that deal with Microsoft that you're minimizing as merely an "out-of-court > settlement". apple was grossly mismanaged and was unprofitable during most of the 90s, and they were losing on the order of $1 billion per year. do you think just $150 million would be enough to salvage them? apple had a huge stash of cash then (and an even bigger stash now) and they were not in danger of going bankrupt. > Please watch the following video and particularly note the part > where Jobs himself says, "Microsoft is going to be part of the game with us > as we restore this company back to health..." (p.s.- watch the video; you > can choose to ignore the diggs commentary which preceeds it if you feel it's > too biased): and steve mentions the patent disputes early on. it was a smart business deal that helped both companies. > > microsoft paid apple $150 million in exchange for non-voting stock ten > > years ago for an out of court settlement regarding patent disputes and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > http://digg.com/apple/Video:_Macworld_Boston_1997_(Microsoft_pulling_Apple_out > _of_bankruptcy) but apple wasn't even close to bankruptcy, they had $1.1 billion in pure cash at the time. the "settlement" was mainly to resolve "patent disputes" with MS, and for MS to get IE as the default browser on the Mac to compete against Netscape, and continue to develop MS Office... if you had bothered to watch the entire Keynote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHNrqPkefI sure, apple wasn't in the greatest of health at the time, but they spent $400 million on a new OS 8 months prior to that keynote, so they weren't exactly poor either. learn the facts, before you post again. >>> microsoft paid apple $150 million in exchange for non-voting stock >>> ten years ago for an out of court settlement regarding patent [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > learn the facts, before you post again. It was an out-of-court settlement designed to save face. The chosen rhetoric (ie. "patent disputes") was designed to save face. Their computers were being sold to an ever declining market: they didn't have businesses lined up; they didn't have schools lined up; they didn't have hobbyists lined up. They had a small niche market amongst artists and graphics designers. I only knew one person who owned an Apple in the '90's and he used to spend half his life defending its declining popularity by arguing constantly about how much "better" it was than our PC's: probably true, but irrelevant in light of the then belief of Apple's demise. No matter which part of that video you want to perseverate on, you cannot dispute that Jobs speaks of restoring Apple "back to health". You can gloss over that as much as you choose, but it is the most telling phrase in the entire video. By the way, can you substantiate your "factual" assertion that they had "$1.1 billion in pure cash at the time"? Or do you just get to say it as if it's a fact and then challenge me to "learn the facts"? I dug up the video, having done at least a little DD before posting. You? What have you done? > By the way, can you substantiate your "factual" assertion that they had > "$1.1 billion in pure cash at the time"? Or do you just get to say it as if > it's a fact and then challenge me to "learn the facts"? I dug up the video, > having done at least a little DD before posting. You? What have you done? Here is a link to how much cash they had in 1997. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1997_Oct_17/ai_19892880 They did have a cash balance of $1.2 billion. However if the losses at the time had continued that would not have been enough, that is $150 million from Microsoft could not have made a difference. But the $150 million along with Microsoft's commitment to continue developing a Mac version of Office certainly helped from a psychologically perspective as part of Steve Jobs turnaround of Apple when he returned. Apple was certainly in big trouble in 1997. SignatureCharles >> By the way, can you substantiate your "factual" assertion that they >> had "$1.1 billion in pure cash at the time"? Or do you just get to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > psychologically perspective as part of Steve Jobs turnaround of Apple > when he returned. Apple was certainly in big trouble in 1997. Thank you for posting that link. But let's take a look at it more carefully. One of the specifics in it states: "The company reported a net loss of $816 million for the fiscal year ended Sept. 27, 1996, and a net loss of $1.0 billion for fiscal 1997", which shows a pattern of increasing losses, which would project to more than $1.0B in 1998. Another important specific stated in the article: "cash balances were $1.2 billion as of September 1997. However, liquidity could be reduced by expected near-term operating losses", strongly implying that the $1.2B cash balance could be wiped out within the next year if losses had continued at the same rate. So, when this report was written, in 1997, Apple was looking at having a zero, or minus, cash balance by 1998. Oxford could argue that Apple was not yet ready to be declaring "bankruptcy" based on those numbers (many large companies survive worse cash-flow issues for a time), but they certainly were in "trouble". > > Here is a link to how much cash they had in 1997. > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the same rate. So, when this report was written, in 1997, Apple was looking > at having a zero, or minus, cash balance by 1998. Wiggle, Wiggle... the fact remains, Apple had plenty of cash. The losses were due to Amelio's diligent house cleaning so Steve could return later in the year. > Oxford could argue that Apple was not yet ready to be declaring "bankruptcy" > based on those numbers (many large companies survive worse cash-flow issues > for a time), but they certainly were in "trouble". Yes, and I fully agree Apple was very poorly managed at the time. Forecasts, Sales and Production was "way" out of sync, too many product lines (newton, printers, cameras, scanners, emate, etc) but what the "public" saw was a massive effort to "focus" and that's messy with such a large company. There was never any valid fear that Apple would "go under", but there were concerns Apple would become a much smaller company... and for a time Apple did shrink down to something like $7 billion in sales... but today, they are a $30 billion company with around $19.1 billion in pure cash... one of |
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