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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!
Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhone, great reading.... 1) David Pogue - One year and 11 days ago, our nation was swept by iPhone Mania. TV news coverage was relentless. Hard-core fans camped out to be the first in line. Bloggers referred to Apple¹s new product as the ³Jesus phone.² It was a stunning black slab of glass: a cellphone, a brilliant music and video player and the best pocket Internet terminal the world had ever seen. The huge, bright, touch-sensitive screen made it addictive fun to rotate, page through or magnify your photos, videos and Web pages. Today, the iPhone is in the hands of six million people. Clumsy touch-screen lookalikes from rival phone makers line the shelves. And Friday is the iPhone¹s second coming. much more here: http://snipurl.com/2vbkr [www_nytimes_com] 2) Walt Mossberg Apple Inc.¹s iPhone has been the world¹s most influential smart phone since its debut a year ago, widely hailed for its beauty and functionality. It was a true hand-held computer that raised the bar for all its competitors. But that first iPhone had two big drawbacks: It was expensive, and it couldn¹t access the fastest cellular-phone networks. On Friday, Apple is launching a second-generation iPhone, called the iPhone 3G, which addresses both of those problems, while retaining the look and feel of the first model¹s hardware and software. much more here: http://snipurl.com/2vblo [wallstreet_journal_com] all details here: http://www.apple.com/iphone > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon > > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. > > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon > > > > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. If so, then they can read the groups relevant to the iPhone, rather than have to deal with your pathetic, irrelevant, fanboi crossposting. And "proly cuz"? Really? Your ridiculous posts betray your lack of experience, but do you have to type like a 13 year-old IM-ing his classmates? > And "proly cuz"? Really? Your ridiculous posts betray your lack of > experience, but do you have to type like a 13 year-old IM-ing his > classmates? it was sent from my blackberry, using its crappy keyboard :) jk, LOL! > > > Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon > > > > Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. Then I am sure they would subscribe to the relevant group then? >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon >> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less. > >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon > >> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that > they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less. Are these morons `paid` by Apple? > Are these morons `paid` by Apple? That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and omissions. .....and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost. > Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote in >> Are these morons `paid` by Apple? > That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple > employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and > omissions. > .....and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost. I doubt that they work for Apple. Their behavior discredits them, Apple, and the Apple products that they shill. Apple tries to live down its fanboy reputation; and would muzzle, or more likely dismiss, them if they were identified as employees. Apple employees (I know several) have to drink the Kool-Aid as a condition of employment, but not even the Kool-Aid turns them into fanboys. The more serious problem at Apple is extreme insularity. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989...@news.individual.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that > they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less. If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like the above when there are those who are looking for information and appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE. On Jul 9, 9:01 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote: > David Moyer wrote: > > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989...@news.individual.net>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that > they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less. If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like the above when there are those who are looking for information and appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE. There is a difference between the two. Knowing and then the BS you spew over and over again. It's you that need's to get the life. > > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. > > You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined > > by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the above when there are those who are looking for information and > appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE. That doesn't excuse Oxford's continued crossposting. Where does your slippery slope end? Are the Cletus KKK posts here ok because someone might "appreciate" racist drivel? Maybe the recent Islamaspam is ok because it might be interesting to someone on a cellphone NG? The point stands that anyone who might "appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually ON TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere. > > > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > developments" can go to the SEVERAL groups where such posts are actually ON > TOPIC, and don't need Oxford, you, or I to "deliver" them elsewhere. I wonder what will happen after the iPhone 3G comes out tomorrow. BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has Stereo Bluetooth. "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in news:- cqdnW7NvvtmlOvVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com: > BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it has > Stereo Bluetooth. NADA....no A2DP to play your music on..... It's the same old phone with a 3G upgrade. > "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in news:- > cqdnW7NvvtmlOvVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It's the same old phone with a 3G upgrade. Thanks for the info on the iPhone 3G and Stereo Bluetooth isn't just for "music." You can also use Stereo Bluetooth for the Slingplayer Mobile. http://www.slingmedia.com/go/spm But I wonder how long it will take Slingplayer Mobile to make it to the iPhone. > But I wonder how long it will take Slingplayer Mobile to make it to the > iPhone. <http://gizmodo.com/395415/sling-on-iphone-video-hands-on> >> > > > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, >> > > > that's [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > BTW after all the hype about the iPhone 3G I still don't know if it > has Stereo Bluetooth. It does not. Quick synopsis of the first 3 reviews: David Pogue / NYTimes - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good." - Feels better in your hand due to the curved back - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for example." - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store Walt Mossberg - "it mostly keeps its promises." - "more capable version of an already excellent device" - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected - Greatly improved audio, much louder speaker - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone - Better voice coverage with 3G. "At my neighborhood shopping center, where the first iPhone got little or no AT&T service, the iPhone 3G registered strong coverage." Edward Baig / USA Today - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait." - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing - Supports PowerPoint attachments; mass move or delete multiple e-mail messages - 10-30 seconds to load popular websites on 3G. - GPS was very accurate - Speaker sounded better for both speakerphone and music. - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the older iPhone." > Quick synopsis of the first 3 reviews: > > David Pogue / NYTimes > - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good." > - Feels better in your hand due to the curved back > - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for > example." Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The "antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there. > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right? > > - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for > > example." > > Huh? There are lipstick-sized bluetooth GPS modules on keychains. The > "antenna isn't too small," the software just isn't there. yea, that one makes no sense. > > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS > > Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right? third parties have already demoed voice dialing, video recording and mms. perhaps bluetooth stereo could be added in firmware, although i do not think it's at the top of the list. >> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to >> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > yea, that one makes no sense. Agreed. The sad part is when a technology JOURNALIST like Pogue lets crap like that slide, and accepts it at face value. I'm not necessarily picking on Apple here, either. I have a hard time believing Apple said anything of the sort- I suspect Pogue misunderstood/miswrote whatever he was trying to convey. >> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mms. perhaps bluetooth stereo could be added in firmware, although i > do not think it's at the top of the list. I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P profiles via third-party hacks. While I rarely agree with Oxford about anything, he's correct that the most important single advancement to the iPhone this coming Friday will not be GPS, 3G or the new iPhone hardware itself, but the app store and it's ability to deliver third party apps to all iPhones without Jailbreaking or hacking. Friday the iPhone actually becomes what both the fanbois and journalists have claimed it to be all along, but which it fell far short of in reality- a mobile computing platform. No company's "vision," not even Apple's, can anticipate all uses actual USERS will have for a device, and as Windows Mobile, Palm, Symbian and RIM developers have shown us, smartphones can be used for a myriad of things their inventors NEVER anticipated! Apple, with the iPhone's original release, made the same mistake Windows Mobile and Palm did originally- envision these devices as peripherals dependent on a desktop computer "mothership" as the source of all apps, PIM data, files, etc. The original concept were that these devices were portable "file viewers" that you used to take your PCs files with you in a smaller package. When third-party developers pushed the limits of what these devices could do, even the manufacturers woke up and realized that they could also be used as mobile computers independent of an umbilical cord tying them to a desktop PC. To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, rather than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-) It'll be interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's impressive hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing, biorhythm calculating, calorie counting, etc. programs that amateur mobile developers seem to think the world always needs one more of! ;-) Hopefully Dataviz (who made some noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing for Apple) will port their excellent Palm Docs-to-Go mobile office suite to the iPhone and allow viewing/editing of Office documents on the phone itself, if only so my buddy doesn't have to e-mail himself a pile of Word docs each time he leaves for Europe! > I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P situation > as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their first AD2P > profiles via third-party hacks. i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can, all the better. > No company's "vision," not even Apple's, can anticipate all uses actual > USERS will have for a device, and as Windows Mobile, Palm, Symbian and RIM > developers have shown us, smartphones can be used for a myriad of things > their inventors NEVER anticipated! very true. some of the stuff that's been announced and/or demoed looks quite interesting. > To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, rather > than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-) i think apple figured it out long before that (like when they announced web apps and people laughed). it takes time to put together an sdk, the documentation, the apps store and the infrastructure to support it all. > It'll be > interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's impressive > hardware, other than the plethora of recipe filing, biorhythm calculating, > calorie counting, etc. programs that amateur mobile developers seem to think > the world always needs one more of! ;-) one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution method can scale as the device gains popularity. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:090720081433537611% nospam@nospam.invalid: > i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can, > all the better. Next thing you know, you FruitFoners will want someone to install Bluetooth Private Area Networking so you can steal music and movies off the 32GB SDHC cards in my N800 over BT PAN or OBEX or FTP. How awful.... You should be ashamed going behind Steve's back like that after all he hasn't done for you! > > I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P > > situation [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can, > all the better. You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-) > > To Apple's credit, it only took them one year to figure this out, > > rather than the six or seven it took Microsoft to realize it! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the documentation, the apps store and the infrastructure to support it > all. Yeah, I was being tongue-in-cheek, or at least cheeky, anyway... > > It'll be > > interesting to see what developers can wring out of the iPhone's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution > method can scale as the device gains popularity. It manages to deliver an impressive number of songs- I'm sure it can handle a few thousand apps! I suspect the app store will be a work in progress, perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional cost. I wouldn't expect some unknown author's "Hello World" app to get the same consideration as Tom Tom's GPS software, for example, which would be a good thing- many mobile software distributors, like Handango, are difficult to navigate unless you know your desired app by name or developer, due to the hundreds of cheesy "me too" apps cluttering up every software category. (This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several years- mostly nearly-identical database apps differing only by title and subject- i.e. a stamp collecting "app", coin collecting "app", VCR tape database, DVD database, etc. No one has the heart to tell him that one general purpose database app- or even a spreadsheet- would replace almost his entire library!) ;-) > > i'm not sure third parties can add bluetooth profiles, but if they can, > > all the better. > > You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store > model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-) maybe, but that hasn't happened with the current model. it could be that not too many people are interested, or that it's just not worth the effort. > > one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be > > a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution > > method can scale as the device gains popularity. > > It manages to deliver an impressive number of songs- I'm sure it can handle > a few thousand apps! except songs don't need to be submitted for evaluation. it's not clear to me how apple is going to manage a huge onslaught of apps being submitted. > I suspect the app store will be a work in progress, no doubt it will be. the ad-hoc method of distribution will probably grow into something less centralized and more useful to everyone. > perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular > downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to navigate unless you know your desired app by name or developer, due to > the hundreds of cheesy "me too" apps cluttering up every software category. that works both ways. having a level playing field, where anyone can write the next killer app and not just big companies with money, is great. if a company can buy their way to the front screen of the apps store, then it's not so level anymore. > (This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has > single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > general purpose database app- or even a spreadsheet- would replace almost > his entire library!) ;-) heh, that's a bit excessive. > > You're probably right- it might not work via the official SDK/app store > > model- that might be something best left to the "Jailbreakers." ;-) > > maybe, but that hasn't happened with the current model. it could be > that not too many people are interested, or that it's just not worth > the effort. Quite possibly. With Windows Mobile, a variety of devices are available, so adding stuff like AD2P support to older models is more a function of "borrowing" drivers and software from newer, similar, devices and seeing which ones a) work, and b) don't crash the device > > > one good thing about the way the apps store works is that there will be > > > a lot less crap. however, i'm not so sure the central distribution [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to me how apple is going to manage a huge onslaught of apps being > submitted. I'm no developer, so I could be all wet, but I assume the SDK has been designed to protect the device from illegal function calls, or direct hardware access, so perhaps as long as the SDK (and only the SDK) was used, the app will be "assumed certified" at least until proven otherwise. > > perhaps giving "premium" shelf space to known developers or popular > > downloads, much like eBay offers "featured listings" for an additional [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > great. if a company can buy their way to the front screen of the apps > store, then it's not so level anymore. eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system- I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc. would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be able to "earn" their status. > > (This reminds me of a guy who hangs out on the WinMo usenet groups who has > > single-handely written over 5,000 free WinMo "apps" over the last several [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > heh, that's a bit excessive. Two new ones today! www.cebeans.com is his site if you want to see a preview of what Friday might hold for the new app store! ;-) Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:g53q64$k6u$1 @aioe.org: > www.cebeans.com http://www.cebeans.com/LoveVibrator.vb "Love Vibrator"! I love it....Great website...(c; Has POWER and SPEED slide controls on the screen....in pink!...(c; Website warns about inserting the Pocket PC...hee hee. Finally someone has come up with a useful WinCE app....hee hee. Does it abort if you get a call or just dump the caller to voicemail?..... ....could have timing problems..... Wonder what happens if it crashes?? > Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:g53q64$k6u$1 > @aioe.org: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Wonder what happens if it crashes?? Someone needs to port this app to the FruitFone!! Gives new meaning to the "Multitouch"....hee hee....(c; > > Finally someone has come up with a useful WinCE app....hee hee. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Someone needs to port this app to the FruitFone!! Gives new meaning to the > "Multitouch"....hee hee....(c; iBrate is already available on the iPhone and has been for awhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqqwRvgyB8 David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-02B907.21110109072008 @news.qwest.net: > iBrate is already available on the iPhone and has been for awhile: AHA! No POWER and SPEED controls! Gotcha!....(d^:) > > iBrate is already available on the iPhone and has been for awhile: > > AHA! No POWER and SPEED controls! Gotcha!....(d^:) this one does :) it even vibrates in rhythm to your music. http://www.ohmibod.com/ David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-CAB4CC.22182109072008 @news.qwest.net: > this one does :) it even vibrates in rhythm to your music. > > http://www.ohmibod.com/ Cool!....(c; Ever seen one of these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10 Same feel....no bitching, no begging, no headaches. I don't know how she keeps from laughing so long.....(c; It's the mobilephone version of one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGfaQCY_bo4 Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders.... > Cool!....(c; > > Ever seen one of these? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10 the end is near! wow. > Same feel....no bitching, no begging, no headaches. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders.... yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well, configure to order a babe here: :) http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-F5E713.22573209072008 @news.qwest.net: > yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well, > configure to order a babe here: :) > > http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd It's unnatural to have a cooperative female in 2008.....(c; > I'm no developer, so I could be all wet, but I assume the SDK has been > designed to protect the device from illegal function calls, or direct > hardware access, so perhaps as long as the SDK (and only the SDK) was used, > the app will be "assumed certified" at least until proven otherwise. the sdk has been designed to prevent access to certain things like direct control of the cellular radio. however, one need not use much of the sdk to write apps that won't be accepted, such as porn or hacker apps (e.g., wifi password cracking). someone at apple will have to install the application and see what happens when it runs. even if it takes just a few minutes to do that, it adds up. maybe apple thought it through, but it's not clear to me how it can scale. > eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system- > I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way > there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a > community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc. > would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be > able to "earn" their status. that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ? > > eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system- > > I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a > newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ? Well, to be fair, why should someone deserve a level playing field vs. Google when offering the world their first iPhone app? Why wouldn't the app store mirror the rest of the marketing world? Brewing a decent root beer in my garage doesn't automatically get me shelf space right next to A&W at the local grocer! Just being guaranteed ANY shelf space at the only official distribution point for iPhone software gives small/beginning/amateur developers a leg up compared to Palm, WinMo, etc. developers who need to find a distribution method on their own. > Just being guaranteed ANY shelf space at the only official > distribution point for iPhone software gives small/beginning/amateur > developers a leg up compared to Palm, WinMo, etc. developers who need > to find a distribution method on their own. Shelf space is easy when the shelves can be 50,000 kilometers long. All Apple needs to do is provide the server space to compliment the device and the developer community will soon fill the shelves with very useful applications. Cases in point: http://www.download.com/ http://www.tucows.com/ http://www.freeware-palm.com/ http://1st-spot.net/topic_pda.html http://www.mypocketpcmobile.com/PocketPCFreeware/tabid/203/Default.aspx http://www.sitepronews.com/freeware.html http://www.bestfreewaredownload.com/ This place is HUGE! etc...... Nokia tossed caution to the wind and provided shelf space to thousands of Linux geniuses after handing them all N770 - N800 - N810 Linux tablets at below cost. "Here, we invented this and would like to sell some. See what you can make it do. We've created a web domain for its new OS for you guys to use: http://maemo.org/ Put what you want to share up on there so everyone can benefit." The Linux hackers are still exploring its limits years later. They've gone beyond the Nokia OS. The tablet now runs Google Android, Garnet Virtual Machine so it will run all the Palm OS software, Debian Linux, Gnome software, etc.. I'm using the Wii remote to control the games...much to the delight of the people at the next table in a restaurant...(c; I've just installed the Linux versions of Open Office, Abiword word processor, Gnumeric spreadsheet on my 16GB internal memory card, just to see what it will do. These are the big, full versions. No telling how far the open source hackers can make it go..... .....once you get the goddamned company bureaucrats out of the way trying to obstruct every great thing they are trying to accomplish..... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:090720081622499792% nospam@nospam.invalid: > that works both ways. having a level playing field, where anyone can > write the next killer app and not just big companies with money, is > great. http://www.maemo.org/ > I wouldn't be surprised if third parties address the stereo AD2P > situation as well- many Windows Mobile-based devices received their > first AD2P profiles via third-party hacks. While I'm reading this, I'm listening to 60's Carolina Beach Music on my Motorola S9 playing MP3s on the microSD card in my MotoROKR Z6m. I used the super sophisticated Windows Explorer custom software from Windoze XP in click and drag mode to copy them from the G:\MP3\Beach Music directory to the \Beach directory on the tiny microSD card pluged into an SD adapter. 183 files copied to the card with no further intervention. I then, quite unceremoniously, pulled the card out of the adapter and plugged it into the top of the tiny phone. Completely unknown to Motorola, who could really give a sh.t, these MP3 files play quite loudly with fantastic base in the rubber headphones, drowning out the screams from my large parrots trying to get my attention so I'll go give them a monkey biscuit treat they like in the late afternoon. No 3rd party software installed or crashed or crashed the pitiful operating system in the ROKR playing these files or the Jimmy Buffett songs the ROKR found in other directories. Why can't a $600 FruitFone play beach music in these headphones this loud? > Why can't a $600 FruitFone play beach music in these headphones this loud? any iPod including the iPhone can fill a huge room with great sound. but remember the headphone jack is mainly for headphones! but the main dock port is where you go if you want full powered sound. here are some options for you Larry http://www.digitalmania-online.com/iPod-Speakers.html > Hopefully Dataviz (who made some > noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing for > Apple) will port their excellent Palm Docs-to-Go mobile office suite to the > iPhone and allow viewing/editing of Office documents on the phone itself, if > only so my buddy doesn't have to e-mail himself a pile of Word docs each > time he leaves for Europe! just a small correction, Dataviz began as a Macintosh company some 24 years ago and have developed for the Mac the entire time. > > Hopefully Dataviz (who made some > > noise on their blog a few months ago about the fesability of developing > > for Apple... > just a small correction, Dataviz began as a Macintosh company some 24 > years ago and have developed for the Mac the entire time. Yep- virtual brain aneurysm on my part, sorry! I meant to peck "developing for iPhone", not "developing for Apple"! The original Dataviz blog post is here: http://mobileofficeblog.dataviz.com/2007/10/apple_announces_iphone_sdk_1.htm l ...but says very little other than "we'll think about it..." > > - "According to Apple, the iPhone¹s G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh well, there's always iPhone 3.0, right? or, more likely, a simple update when the app is done. kinda like the did with the itunes store. i guess google earth is coming too, that'll be interesting with a multi-touch screen. David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-926A85.02152109072008 @news.qwest.net: > or, more likely, a simple update when the app is done. kinda like the > did with the itunes store. i guess google earth is coming too, that'll > be interesting with a multi-touch screen. Man it's SO cool, especially in 3D! Come see for yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is Oh, wait, that was last JUNE '07! Old Skool?? > Man it's SO cool, especially in 3D! Come see for yourself! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is > > Oh, wait, that was last JUNE '07! > Old Skool?? wow, that guy was still using a 1990's Stylus! how primitive can you get! and gosh, that was the slowest google earth demo i've ever seen. why did he have to use two hands, that seemed a quite primitive as well. Hello Oxford, I see that you are using a new pen name. > - Sound is much improved. "In fact, few cellphones sound this good." Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had better sound quality. > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for > example." Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just about every user of a cell phone in Japan. > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones. > - "the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store Golly gee, just like what people on all other phones have had for many years. Too bad it is crippled like Verizon's GetItNow, instead of being open the way it is on Windows Mobile and any Java phone. > - "it mostly keeps its promises." Golly gee, "mostly"? Talk about damning with faint praise. > - Battery drained much more quickly using 3G, as expected Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it lasts longer in 3G. > - Data speeds 3-5x faster than original iPhone Golly gee, this is from the same Oxford who insisted that 3G was useless and that Steve Jobs destroyed its future. Of course, those of us who have used 3G for many years knew quite well that 3G had faster data speeds. > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones. > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the > older iPhone." Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for > > example." > > Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just > about every user of a cell phone in Japan. tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it didn't do turn by turn. > > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS > > Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones. three of those have been announced already. > > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing > > Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones. you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth, they exist or will exist. > > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work > > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the > > older iPhone." > > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones. there are extended batteries available. most people only have one battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the iphone might not be the best choice. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:090720081433517514% nospam@nospam.invalid: > iphone might not be the best choice. You got that right, Bo! > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:090720081433517514% > nospam@nospam.invalid: > > > iphone might not be the best choice. > > You got that right, Bo! way to go taking it out of context. for some people it's not the best choice. for others it is. >Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using >3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it >lasts longer in 3G. I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post, but I'd like to ask about your phone. I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in Japanese. I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages now, and it's been totally frustrating. May I ask both where you're posting from and what instrument/network you're using? DGI > that will finally allow me to access and input data in > Japanese. http://gjiten.garage.maemo.org/ It's not a phone, per se, but it bluetooths to phones and makes emails and calls via Skype (to Japan for free). See the webpage for japanese support, which installs at a single click, with many other script languages. Maemo is Linux and Linux supports Japanese very well. Nokia N800/N810/N810 Wimax >> Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using >> 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it >> lasts longer in 3G. > I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post, > but I'd like to ask about your phone. Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more than you ever wanted to know. You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software. One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes, there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays $2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!] Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone! To fix that, I found xda-developers.com to be an invaluable resource http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes and especially http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298919 which not only details how to change a Japanese OS WM device into English OS (and WM6), it also discusses how to add Japanese support to the English OS (which is what you want). Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese text. Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English, and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one of the basic models such as an 812SH. However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100 band and GSM-only in the US bands. Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such. The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't feel like hacking. I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at least not yet. You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider one of the keitais. I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good to go. > May I ask both where you're posting from and what > instrument/network you're using? Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in rural Alaska or Japan. I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone), and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with domestic service. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. >The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on there. >there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally limited my options a good deal. >You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese >capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight edge in the voting, don't ask me how. One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it would be strong as well. You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it very much! DGI >>The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their >>perversion of Japanese The only thing worse than Micro$oft's perversion of Japanese is the Japanese perversion of Engrish!....(c; http://www.engrish.com/ Great fun when you're bored. "Be Happy - Fock Lots!" It was in the window of a store selling condoms and supplies, I kid you not.....(c; There's a whole chain of "Happy Drug Stores"! ....and none of them are in Berkeley...(c; > I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It > happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally > limited my options a good deal. Rumor states that KDDI au is switching channels to the same ones used elsewhere in the world, so presumably newer KDDI au phones will roam with Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, and Telus in North America. The problem is in getting the subsidy code from KDDI (AFAIK, Verizon is pretty unique in using a subsidy code of 000000 for all their phones), and then getting your carrier to activate that ESN (Verizon CSRs will if you ask really, really, nicely -- I've done it). >> You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese >> capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. > I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight > edge in the voting, don't ask me how. I can imagine! > One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive > impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or > Palm device with a useful browser. Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is hyped as being a full browser, but of course it is not really "full" and is idiosyncratic in its own ways (albeit not as bad as WAP). There is a bug in the current 1.1.4 release that requires you to jailbreak your iToy and change some filesystem ownerships to make Safari work with some pages that have logins. For example, Hotmail won't work at all usefully until you do that. I don't know if they fixed it in 2.0 or not. > I must admit I haven't really > examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it > would be strong as well. It depends. The WM version of IE is a basically a WAP browser. You need to buy something like Opera Mobile to get a real browser on WM. The real problem with both WM and iToy is the lack of screen resolution. The iToy has better resolution than most WM phones, but it pales compared to the screen on the Nokia N800. It's actually possible to view a page on the N800/N810 without having to zoom in and out all the time like you do on the iToy. Good luck! -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work > > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the > > older iPhone." > > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones. sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine. http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one. http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak. > > Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on > > iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones. > > sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine. > > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html ...and they said you can't tether an iPhone! > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one. > > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt! > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak. He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I assume. No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could just carry this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW > > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW (smirk) i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the first take-a-parts. David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-904180.22285409072008 @news.qwest.net: > i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly > will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the > first take-a-parts. ....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend", within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c; > i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly > will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the > first take-a-parts. the first take-apart has been posted and the battery is no longer soldered. <http://live.ifixit.com/images/OTQqbZKJ4PfZLZYf-large.jpg> >> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy >> > work day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine. Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks. At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers. > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak. Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to hell. > >> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended > >> battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time > you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers. i never said "weeks", more lies from you... but it does work for about a week with normal use. > > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to > hell. and i agree it's not necessary, but just pointing out they are available to Mark. David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-03A09D.01111009072008 @news.qwest.net: > - "According to Apple, the iPhoneûs G.P.S. antenna is much too small to > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for > example." Biggest crock of horseshit I've seen yet over this PoS.....(c; Very funny....Case in POINT: http://www.slashphone.com/106/8137.html That suction cup is less than an inch in diameter. How big do you think its giant sized antenna is? It powers WAYFINDER on Nokia phones and tablets...even from your watch pocket in your jeans.... http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=3779&lang=US What a crock.....it's GPS antenna is HUGE! > Edward Baig / USA Today > - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait." > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_ other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing? >> Edward Baig / USA Today >> - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait." >> - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing > > I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_ > other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing? My daughter's $50 Samsung has voice dialing. The Razr had voice dialing. I can't think of any phone considered new that doesn't. Well, except for one. > > Edward Baig / USA Today > > - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait." > > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing > > I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_ > other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing? i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless, at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't remember whom) has announced voice dialing support. <http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080707/0413246.html> > i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless, > at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't > remember whom) has announced voice dialing support. It works very well on the models where you train it with your own voice, assigning a voice tag to the number in the phone book. The models with general voice-recognition work less well, especially on complicated names. also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software: I can't tell you how we got ahold of a first-generation iPhone loaded with version 2.0 of the iPhone operating system. What I can tell you is that if I do reveal this information, homicidal ninjas will come to my house and kill my family. Nevertheless, we do have one -- and we were able to take a look inside and find a few minute yet interesting changes. Here's a preview of some of the ways in which iPhone 2.0 differs from iPhone 1.0. iPhone 2.0, of course, is the operating system that will come preinstalled on iPhone 3G models when those start shipping on Friday, July 11. iPhone 2.0 will also be available as a free software upgrade to people who have first-generation iPhones. In the photo of the iPhone home screen, above, you'll notice at least two differences from the first-generation OS: there's a new Contacts application (on the old phone, contacts were accessible only via the "Phone" icon), and the long-awaited App Store is there (that's where you'll buy new iPhone-native software and games). And now, to the details... http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/exclusive-sneak.html > also quite decent - a sneak peek into the 2.0 software: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/exclusive-sneak.html It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the first one. My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support, but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which is the normal setup. Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA - It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data and towards the GSM data world of LTE. > It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the > first one. The new lower pricing will assure that. > My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support, > but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"... which > is the normal setup. I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but we'll see, I guess... > Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA - > It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data > and towards the GSM data world of LTE. That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of Verizon's foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that carriers would migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually, via system upades, without having to tear down and replace existing infrastructure. As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from CDMA to GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA network, much like WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on the 2G GSM system. Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international phone owners with the correct frequency bands roam in the US on Verizon's otherwise incompatible network the same way some GSM 3G phones with the right bands can roam on the 3G overlay of Japan's otherwise incompatible CDMA networks. >> It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with >> the first one. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but > we'll see, I guess... yeah - looks ok, as it mentions SSL for the connection, I should have read the iPhone page.... http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html >> Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA - >> It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > phones with the right bands can roam on the 3G overlay of Japan's > otherwise incompatible CDMA networks. Software problems bug Apple's launch of new iPhone http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/apple_iphone;_ylt=AqbHUzdbUeCMUYIu430GjzH6L5A5 iPhone "iPocalypse" as activations fail en masse http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/99178 iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/33040/iphone-3g-gets-reviewed-and-its-just-ok/ There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it seems. Max  SignaturePaul Miner >iPhone 3G gets reviewed and it's just OK >http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/33040/iphone-3g-gets-reviewed-and-its-just-ok/ > >There's more, but you get the idea. Not a great launch party, it >seems. Well, yes and no. I work for a Japanese company (though I'm in NY) and the "party" is a global one. I've already gotten breathless accounts from some of my colleagues there. But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the "review of reviews" you cite above says this: "A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract. As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements" made on this iPhone 3G version. " The first sentence is TRUE, the second is FALSE, or at least heavy editorialization. All three reviewers concluded that the phone is, on the whole, an improved version of the original, which they liked. They express their caveats in an even-handed way, and none of them conclude that the complaints "outweigh" the improvements. The three reviews are more like tempered endorsements, and two are closer to raves. This whole affair is fascinating on one hand as a tech story, and on the other as a look at certain aspects of human nature (spec. peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have it). DGI > But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal > attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > peoples' relationship with their tools, or toys, as some would have > it). So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner? >> But more to the point, it's interesting to note how personal >> attitudes are laying a heavy hand on the reporting. For example, the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that > is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner? He wasn't charactering these reviews, he was characterizing the reviewers. That's the current tactic of choice when the facts are against you. Note also, "the whole affair" as if it were something other than a product rollout by a company which claims to have the best products and the best technical people. Calling it an affair softens the real world aspect of things and tries to make failure a subjective rather than an quantifiable term. People who bought a phone and can't activate it are quantifiable entities, however, so such recasting attempts are pretty lame. This is the same kind of guy who thinks that if he scratches his nuts while he lies under oath it's not perjury since sex has entered the equation. Regards >So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that >is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner? I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your criticism at all. I believe you misunderstood me, and took that as an opportunity to be uncivil. I was characterizing a single article, it was an overview of three other reviews (only three major publications that I am aware of rec'd. this device in advance of its general release). This overview claimed that the three initial reviewers felt that the perceived disadvantages of the Apple product "outweighed" its advantages. The writer led the piece with that assertion. I read the three reviews that the overview refers to (and you may too if you wish), and they did NOT feel that way. So I was characterizing this ARTICLE, this OVERVIEW, as being misleading. I stand by that completely, and no, you may not paraphrase me if you don't mind. DGI >>So, if I may paraphrase slightly, you perfume pigs for a living and that >>is why you choose to characterize these reviews in this manner? > > I'm sorry, but I do not understand what appears to be your > criticism at all. Oh? Must be all that perfume you've been using... --- "The Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg, The New York Times' David Pogue, and USA Today's Edward Baig got their hands on the new iPhone 3G and have published reviews that gives us more reasons to wait than to upgrade. A few things have improved in this model, but all three reviewers complained about the iPhone's lack of video recording, MMS, AT&T's 3G coverage, and extra costs associated with AT&T's 3G service contract. As a matter of fact, their complaints far outweigh any "improvements" made on this iPhone 3G version. Many have anticipated an iPhone that would support AT&T's 3G network, yet both Mossberg and Baig seemed annoyed by the lack of 3G coverage in some areas. Mossberg says that the iPhone 3G registered strong coverage in his neighborhood, but found that calls regularly broke up on some major streets, and even had to borrow a cheap Verizon phone to complete an important call that was dropped three times on the new iPhone. Baig, on the other hand, couldn't access the 3G network in parts of his neighborhood. He writes, "Meanwhile, for all the hoopla involving AT&T's speedier, third-generation network, I couldn't access 3G in parts of my northern New Jersey neighborhood and elsewhere. When the fast network isn't available, the phone automatically reverts to the pokier and oft-maligned Edge network." They all agree that websites loaded faster on the 3G network than on EDGE, but Wi-Fi is "still the the fastest method for downloads." Baig says it took 10 to 30 seconds to load popular websites through 3G, and Mossberg found that checking email and surfing the Web on the 3G network was three to five times faster—but we already knew that. It may be easier and faster to access websites or check email on the new iPhone 3G, but for how long? Mossberg thought the iPhone 3G's battery drained much faster on a typical day than the battery on the original iPhone, while Baig found quite the opposite, yet admitted to getting low battery warnings towards the end of day. Either way, it looks like you'll need to charge your phone every night. Aside from all the 3G network issues, which is the touted feature on this new model, some minor improvements on the phone itself gave reviewers something to be happy about. For example, all three agree that the audio quality improved, the GPS feature was very accurate, and the curvier design felt better in your hand. Software improvements include a scientific calculator, an address book search box, parental controls, and instant language switching. Multitasking will be easier now that you can delete multiple emails, save photo attachments, and open PowerPoint files, although that may crash your iPhone as Mossberg found out. The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle." None of the reviewers were able to test the App Store, but all three seem to agree that the biggest attraction will probably be the third-party applications, not the 3G functionality, which is what many have been anticipating. So should you upgrade? Pogue says the iPhone 3G is a nice upgrade, "But it’s not so much better that it turns all those original iPhones into has-beens. Indeed, the really big deal is the iPhone 2.0 software and the App Store, neither of which requires buying a new iPhone." Mossberg agrees, and suggests iPhone owner who are ok with using Wi-Fi for data should "hold off and get the free software upgrade before deciding whether it’s worth getting the new hardware."" --- If you can make "fabulous" out of that review, then as I said, you are in the business of perfuming pigs. > The GPS feature, while better than the pseudo GPS feature on its > predecessor, is useless according to Pogue because "the antenna is much > too small to emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a > vehicle." Thanks for the info and bummer about the GPS. BTW I was given permission to try and pair an "iPhone 3G" to my Garmin Mobile 10 and it didn't find it so you can't even use a BT GPS with it. Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation. iPhone Campers? http://www.flickr.com/photos/cjh6793/2657626370/ Post being replied to: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.sprintpcs/msg/aa481c0211f2fa59 > Looks like the iPhone Campers will have to wait in line a few more > days if they want a GPS for turn-by-turn navigation. http://youtube.com/watch?v=IWAmxpQP0Ww Not really....(c; This is REAL GPS, not usi |
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