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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008MobileMe push mail now active
MobileMe's push mail is now active and running. Gizmodo's Jesus Diaz has the service working with his iPhone running the iPhone 2.0 software, and is running perfectly. He is now able to get email pushed to his iPhone in real time, both over Wi-Fi and the cell network. He was even able to get it to work perfectly while using a SIM from an unsupported carrier (Vodafone Spain) while in roaming and it worked just fine. With all of this in place, it will likely be very difficult for RIM and the Blackberry to keep up, given that Push email has been one of their main selling points for quite some time. > MobileMe's push mail is now active and running. >With all of this in place, it will likely be very > difficult for RIM and the Blackberry to keep up, given that Push > email has been one of their main selling points for quite some time. Please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that MobileMe is currently $100 per year (not $100 for a one-time purchase, but per year). Over $8.00 a month additional expense to the user to achieve about the same thing that the Blackberry does for FREE. How do you figure that RIM has to keep up? >> MobileMe's push mail is now active and running. >>With all of this in place, it will likely be very [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > about the same thing that the Blackberry does for FREE. How do you > figure that RIM has to keep up? You would be correct. $100/year, every year, ad nauseum. FruitFones charge for lots of things other devices do for free....like run useful apps! > Please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that MobileMe is > currently $100 per year (not $100 for a one-time purchase, but per year). > Over $8.00 a month additional expense to the user to achieve about the same > thing that the Blackberry does for FREE. How do you figure that RIM has to > keep up? MobileMe is around $75-$80 a year (ongoing) $99 is just the list price. http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/n40073?src=g >> Please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that >> MobileMe is currently $100 per year (not $100 for a one-time [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/n40073?src=g Answer the question posed, Oxtard. RIM offers the same functionality for free? How are they 'catching up'? > >> Please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that > >> MobileMe is currently $100 per year (not $100 for a one-time [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Answer the question posed, Oxtard. RIM offers the same functionality for > free? How are they 'catching up'? RIM doesn't offer anything even close to .Mac or now called "MoblieMe". MobileMe allows you to build and host custom websites via iWeb, it allows you to have a remote Hard Drive mount on any PC or Mac, it ties into your photo database with iPhoto, allows you to publish streaming movies, it's a push email service of course, allows you to see and work with your remote machines in realtime, manages / syncs all passwords on all apps on all of your machines. syncs dashboard and bookmarks across all machines. publish private and public Calendars, share address books of course, on and on and on... do you even own a Mac? Guess not... What RIM does is just a small subset of .Mac or MobileMe. If you just want what RIM does, then sure, there are plenty of free services for that. but nobody offers internet services as sophisticated as MobleMe. http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/mac.html >> >> Please. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that >> >> MobileMe is currently $100 per year (not $100 for a one-time [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > into your photo database with iPhoto, allows you to publish streaming > movies, But the phone doesn't record videos, so what content would I publish to a streaming site? > > MobileMe allows you to build and host custom websites via iWeb, it > > allows you to have a remote Hard Drive mount on any PC or Mac, it ties [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But the phone doesn't record videos, so what content would I publish to a > streaming site? what? then what are all the apps that record video used for? buzzzzt... wrong. somebody... insert the name "bob" doesn't know what the heck is going on with the iphone... http://www.iphonevideorecorder.com/ http://mytrini-iphone.blogspot.com/2008/01/showtime-video-recorder-for-ip hone.html and many more... >> > MobileMe allows you to build and host custom websites via iWeb, it >> > allows you to have a remote Hard Drive mount on any PC or Mac, it [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > and many more... So why PAY to record video when you can do it for free on most other high end smartphones? > > somebody... insert the name "bob" doesn't know what the heck is going > > on with the iphone... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So why PAY to record video when you can do it for free on most other high > end smartphones? you get what you pay for... so if you just want a cheesy little video recorder like other smartphones have, i'm sure there will be free versions in a few days... many developers are waiting on the official release tomorrow at 8am... i've been using 2.0 all day, and can tell you the world is about to change for all cell phone makers, i've installed a bit over 40 apps and they all work much better than i had hoped. the install process is incredible, just incredible. two taps of your finger and the app installs itself into the iphone dock, and that's "it"... sweet. > Answer the question posed, Oxtard. RIM offers the same functionality for > free? How are they 'catching up'? Come on, you guys are just trolling now. Do some research before posting this nonsense. Check out what MoblieMe is and come back. You and Larry (assuming you aren't sock puppets) are looking like total retards today. It might be wise to take a short break and educate yourselves. >> Answer the question posed, Oxtard. RIM offers the same >> functionality for free? How are they 'catching up'? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > total retards today. It might be wise to take a short break and > educate yourselves. I actually am reluctant to get involved in this childish, my-toy-is-better-than-your-toy, name-calling group, but the OP's post was about the "push email now up and running" and he was excited about that. Not all the other great things that MobileMe can do that BB can't. Allow me to make my point. If I don't want "to build and host custom websites via iWeb, have a remote Hard Drive mount on any PC or Mac, tie into my photo database with iPhoto, or publish streaming movies", and I just want push email, a phone that works well, and 3G internet access, I still have to pay $100/year, $8/mo, extra to achieve that with an iPhone over that of a BB. I find that disarming. It does reek of greed by Apple, a not-even-attempt-at- camouflage way of generating more revenue which seems to scream lack of respect for the consumer, and so should you find it disarming for those reasons. It may very well be "better" than what BB has to offer, but "better" isn't always "better" if you don't need or want what the packaged deal includes. And please remember, if you haven't read any of my prior posts, I WANT an iPhone. I love gadgets and technology. But I personally don't want to permanently increase my monthly expenses for things I won't use just to have this latest toy. I am of the side right now that, after all the hype wears off, and most people come to realize they don't use any of that stuff either, the iPhone's appeal will fade for many. No, I'm not predicting the demise of the iPhone, or the downfall of Apple, just an eventual leveling off. > Allow me to make my point. If I don't want "to build and host custom > websites via iWeb, have a remote Hard Drive mount on any PC or Mac, tie [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "better" than what BB has to offer, but "better" isn't always "better" if > you don't need or want what the packaged deal includes. I'm not sure that's entirely fair, however. Despite the OP's excitement over "MobileMe," it's hardly the only push e-mail solution out there for the iPhone. Any user with a work Exchange account can setup push for his work e-mail (if the IT admins allow mobile access), and personal users can get a free Exchange account from vendors like mail2web.com for push (I've used a Mail2Web account on my WinMo devices for a couple of years- makes deploying a new device dead simple. When my T-Mo MDA died two weeks ago, I replaced it with an AT&T Tilt. I entered the mail2web Exchange server settings and within two minutes of swapping my SIM from the dead MDA to the Tilt, my e-mail, contacts, calendar and tasks were sitting in the Tilt without it coming anywhere near my PC.) So while MobileMe is one method of getting push email on an iPhone, it isn't the only way. Besides, even without push, you can poll POP or IMAP e-mail every 15 minutes- you might need faster retrieval than that, but most people don't. (I do, but mostly because my push account is also my Visual Voicemail account. I don't want to wait 5, 10 or 15 minutes for missed call notifications or voicemail sound files to hit my phone.) [There you go Oxford- another pro-iPhone post from me. I'm "Fair and Blanced," just like Fox News...] ;-) > And please remember, if you haven't read any of my prior posts, I WANT an > iPhone. I love gadgets and technology. But I personally don't want to > permanently increase my monthly expenses for things I won't use just to > have this latest toy. I am of the side right now that, after all the hype > wears off, and most people come to realize they don't use any of that > stuff either, the iPhone's appeal will fade for many. I disagree for the most part, at least about the phone itself- the $30 data plan foisted upon iPhone buyers is the same price as any smartphone/PDA phone offered by AT&T- WinMo, Blackberries, etc. As long as people enjoy mobile data and e-mail, they'll see the value. I even suspect that AT&T will eventually relax the forced uptake of the data plan, just as they did for iPhone Sr. They'll probably force you to sign up with it, hoping it will wow you into keeping it, then let you drop it eventually. I agree with you that relatively few will opt for "MobileMe"- partly because of the cost, and partly because (as I understand it, but Oxford can correct me if I'm wrong) it has less functionality for Windows PC users, who by their sheer numbers will make up the majority of iPhone buyers, just as they make up the majority of iPod owners. > No, I'm not predicting the demise of the iPhone, or the downfall of Apple, > just an eventual > leveling off. Sure- that will happen as the hype and hysteria wear off, and consumers continue to get better educated. The (original) iPhone launched at a very good time for Apple- many cellular customers, who often based their choice of phones on whatever device was smallest, thinnest, or fashionable, were blissfully ignorant of the capabilities of mid- to high-end phones. By pushing an "internet" device to a primarily voice and texting public, Apple gave a wakeup call to carriers that they were missing the revenue boat on mobile data by assuming only Enterprise customers were interested in it. > So while MobileMe is one method of getting push email on an iPhone, it isn't > the only way. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > [There you go Oxford- another pro-iPhone post from me. I'm "Fair and > Blanced," just like Fox News...] ;-) thanks todd, i appreciate you working hard for the bright side of the force :) but will the iphone poll pop/imap when in standby? hum... > thanks todd, i appreciate you working hard for the bright side of the > force :) I call 'em like I see 'em... > but will the iphone poll pop/imap when in standby? hum... You tell us, I don't own one! I'd assume it does like all other smartphones... > > but will the iphone poll pop/imap when in standby? hum... > > You tell us, I don't own one! I'd assume it does like all other > smartphones... ah, thought you had one and knew about 2.0... i have 2.0 and don't see anything related to checking mail in 15, 30, etc minute increments. looks like there is a bit of a hack here, but it's still not what i want... http://modmyifone.com/forums/vbseo.php?vbseourl=downloads.php&do=file&id= 264 >> > but will the iphone poll pop/imap when in standby? hum... >> >> You tell us, I don't own one! I'd assume it does like all other >> smartphones... > > ah, thought you had one... No, I require a feature set far beyond what Apple offers in a phone. > I agree with you that relatively few will opt for "MobileMe"- partly because > of the cost, and partly because (as I understand it, but Oxford can correct > me if I'm wrong) it has less functionality for Windows PC users, who by > their sheer numbers will make up the majority of iPhone buyers, just as they > make up the majority of iPod owners. correct, windows is still quite weak when it comes to integrated cloud services. > partly because (as I understand it, but Oxford can correct > > me if I'm wrong) it has less functionality for Windows PC users, who by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > correct, windows is still quite weak when it comes to integrated cloud > services. If you mean Apple chooses not to fully support Windows, I agree. Other Cloud services support Windows just fine: Google, Exchange, Office Live, Live, Skydrive, etc... Although Microsoft could learn a few hings from the MobileMe concept- a good "Personal Exchange" service targeted at home users for only $5/month or so would be nice- full hosted Exchange (and it's $15/month or so fees) are overkill for home and SOHO users. I use the free and open source Funambol SyncML client to keep my mobiles, desktops and laptops in sync. They support iPhone as well, at least in a limited way. > > correct, windows is still quite weak when it comes to integrated cloud > > services. > > If you mean Apple chooses not to fully support Windows, I agree. Other > Cloud services support Windows just fine: Google, Exchange, Office Live, > Live, Skydrive, etc... well, Apple would have to port their entire iLife suite, their iWork suit, Apple Mail, iCal, etc, etc to have Windows work on par with a Mac using MobileMe. That's simply not going to happen, so yes, Windows is limited with MobileMe. Yes, you listed a tawdry collection of cloud pieces for Windows, but only Apple has been able to pull off the entire group of services under one sky. > Although Microsoft could learn a few hings from the MobileMe concept- a > good "Personal Exchange" service targeted at home users for only $5/month > or so would be nice- full hosted Exchange (and it's $15/month or so fees) > are overkill for home and SOHO users. I use the free and open source > Funambol SyncML client to keep my mobiles, desktops and laptops in sync. > They support iPhone as well, at least in a limited way. Yeah, i'm not sure what MS is doing everyday, they don't seem to be creating or modernizing any of their apps, just little tweaks here and there. Maybe Vista has them entirely sidetracked... but whatever the case, it certainly reminds me of how Apple was functioning in the mid 90's. > a phone that works well, and 3G > internet access, I still have to pay $100/year, $8/mo, extra to achieve that > with an iPhone over that of a BB. it's more like $6.50 a month, nobody but newbies pay the full list price. > With all of this in place, it will likely be very difficult for > RIM and the Blackberry to keep up, given that Push email has been one of > their main selling points for quite some time. And once again, you completely misunderstand the Enterprise market. Push e- mail has been available outside of the Blackberry platform for quite some time- WinMobile, Symbian, and even dumbphones have had push for years. The allure of Blackberry for the Enterprise is BES and the reputation for security it has. "MobileMe," or even EAS, (Exchange over Activesync) isn't going to change that. Besides, even assuming the business e-mail features of the iPhone were good enough for the Enterprise, the biggest stumbling block against mass adoption by business is their exclusivity with AT&T. I've got nothing against AT&T personally, (I was a happy Cingular customer for over a decade,) but businesses tend to choose provider first, based on coverage, features, and price, and device second. EVERY national carrier offers Blackberry. ONE offers iPhone. iPhone News <invalid@nospam.net> wrote in news:invalid- F5CDE3.22352310072008@news.giganews.com: > RIM and the Blackberry to keep up, given that Push email has been one of > their main selling points for quite some time. RESEARCH IN MOTION (NasdaqGS: RIMM) After Hours: 117.40 Up 0.27 (0.23%)7:59PM ET Investors don't seem to be fleeing in droves at $US117.40/share.... We'll watch the numbers, carefully, tomorrow afternoon.... > RESEARCH IN MOTION > (NasdaqGS: RIMM) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We'll watch the numbers, carefully, tomorrow afternoon.... oh larry, what are we going to do with you? RIMM has dropped like a rock since the iPhone 2.0 was announced about 1 month ago. RIMM has gone from 135 to 117... a drop of about 15.5% and you posted "after hours" data, but in today's regular trading, RIMM was down 0.41 while Apple was up, 2.38, and up another 1.11 in AH. - And in the past month it's down 10.00 a share. What did the iPhone 2.0 do for apple to let there stock drop 10.00 a share in the past month ? >> RESEARCH IN MOTION >> (NasdaqGS: RIMM) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - > And in the past month it's down 10.00 a share. > > What did the iPhone 2.0 do for apple to let there stock drop 10.00 a share > in the past month ? no, it's only down 4.60 since the keynote, and much of that drop is related to SJ's health concerns, and the massive 45 point run up before the keynote. apple is outperforming the main market indexes, just as predicted. - Check the 30 day forecast yourself. >> And in the past month it's down 10.00 a share. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - >> And in the past month it's down 10.00 a share. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - You've used RIM's stock price drop as an argument that it's been 'hurt' by the iPhone, but you rationalize away Apple's stock price drop during the same period as due to Job's health concerns. And you've failed to take into account the entire Market's decline in the past few weeks. I would say at this point you've gone over the top in your advocacy/defense of iPhone and your prediction of Rim's demise. You've totally left the realm of objectivity. > I would say at this point you've gone over the top in your > advocacy/defense of iPhone and your prediction of Rim's demise. You've > totally left the realm of objectivity. Last Trade: 172.58 Trade Time: Jul 11 Change: Down 4.05 (2.29%) Prev Close: 176.63 Apple investors, ignoring the last 3 day rise of Gold (the standard of value) rising $44, don't seem to excited by FruitFone releases...being a little more realistic lot. Today was a VERY bad day for America. The largest private mortgage lender in the United States was closed and taken over by the FDIC to the tune of 4-8 Billion US dollars from a run on deposits caused by some politician's comments. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080711/indymac.html "IndyMac's collapse is second only to that of Continental Illinois National Bank, which had nearly $40 billion in assets when it failed in 1984, according to the FDIC." This is FAR more important than anything Apple in today's news..... Our country is in collapse and we're standing around worrying over a cheap PC board with a bunch of silicon soldered to it......That's sad in itself! > > apple is outperforming the main market indexes, just as predicted. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > of iPhone and your prediction of Rim's demise. You've totally left the realm > of objectivity. just looking at the facts. Rimm has dropped because of the iphone 2.0 announcement, there is no question. apple has dropped "some" because of the SJ health scare... but only apple is out performing the market by about 10%. that's a fact. |
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