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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008so the iToy Apps Store has opened...
...and what a pitiful pile of nothing! Most of the applications there are simply glorified versions of webapps. Then there are some jaw-droppers: . $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you can get over the web for free (and you have to buy a separate app for each public transportation system that you want to monitor) . the company that has two Twitter clients (a free one that dumps advertising and a $10 one that doesn't) . multiple ebooks, each of which costs money, as opposed to a free ebook reader for the whole Gutenberg library . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in the App store?? I guess that it's a care of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...]. If you want applications for your iToy, jailbreak it and use Installer to get a much larger and better set of applications, most of which are free or shareware. Put another way, don't be in a hurry to upgrade to 2.0 if you already have an iToy; wait until Zibri & company finish the 2.0 jailbreak. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > . $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you can > get > over the web for free (and you have to buy a separate app for each > public transportation system that you want to monitor) > Do people who can afford a FruitFone on ATT for $100/mo ride the bus....or do they take the Beemer into town? I've never rode the bus...maybe that's why I don't have a FruitFone. I always figured bus riders would carry TracFones from Walmart. >> . $15 for an app to get public transportation schedules that you >> can get [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Do people who can afford a FruitFone on ATT for $100/mo ride the > bus....or do they take the Beemer into town? They take the bus. How else do you think they can afford the rate plan and applications necessary to make it even somewhat functional? I say this because over a year after the inital release and I have yet to meet anybody serious about mobile telephony or data with one of them. I have, however, seen a number of them in the possession of Walmart employees, most under the age of 20. One of them even told me that it was the best iPod he'd ever owned. > I have, however, seen a number of them in the possession of Walmart > employees, most under the age of 20. One of them even told me that it > was the best iPod he'd ever owned. hee hee....thanks. Great fun talking to the faithful on the waiting line at 0730 this morning. I had printed out the high resolution picture of the main circuit board and 3 of the guys on the line were techies who love gadgets. They hadn't seen ifixit.com's pictures and a lot of the rest of the line was standing very close by as we discussed the chipsets installed, most identified by ifixit.com's website last night. We're STILL trying to find its GPS receiver, chipset and antenna that must be imbedded into the plastic back because it's not on the PC board. > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? Doubtful- most of the fanboys here seem to already have a religion, and the Bible isn't it's Good Book... ;-) > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in > the App store?? To be fair, why shouldn't the author get reimbursed for his sweat if he's chosen to charge for his software? Doesn't he deserve 70% of $8 for his efforts? ;-) > I guess that it's a care of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...]. I dunno- it's also a case of convenience. Many people don't want to mess with jailbreaking and the (admittedly small) risks involved. If they can get the apps important to them for a few lousy bucks with the ease of iTunes shopping, and not altering their iPhone, so be it. > If you want applications for your iToy, jailbreak it and use Installer > to get a much larger and better set of applications, most of which > are free or shareware. > > Put another way, don't be in a hurry to upgrade to 2.0 if you already have an iToy; wait until Zibri & company finish the 2.0 jailbreak. Fair enough, but for iPhone 3G owners, the app store is the only game in town... >> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in >> the App store?? > To be fair, why shouldn't the author get reimbursed for his sweat if he's > chosen to charge for his software? Doesn't he deserve 70% of $8 for his > efforts? ;-) I have no problem with the author of an application selling his application for whatever price he sees fit. Some jailbreak community apps cost money; typically you have to purchase a product key to unlock them from demo mode. I do think that Sketches is strange that it is free to the jailbreak community, but $8 in the apps store. IMHO, it's a nice toy, but I wouldn't pay $8 for it. There are other apps that I have paid for. >> I guess that it's a case of a [...] and his [...] soon are [...]. > I dunno- it's also a case of convenience. Many people don't want to mess > with jailbreaking and the (admittedly small) risks involved. If they can > get the apps important to them for a few lousy bucks with the ease of > iTunes shopping, and not altering their iPhone, so be it. However, not only are you spending more money, but there are a lot of apps that you will never get that way. The Apple apps store will never carry anything like MxTube, Terminal, or Finder. > Fair enough, but for iPhone 3G owners, the app store is the only game in > town... Or you can get a much less expensive 3G phone that provides a lot more phone services (and much better battery life), and use the money you save to buy a much more capable Internet tablet... :-) -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in > the App store?? It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they now think they are entitled to everything for free. I'm afraid as baby boomer parents we have raised a generation of lazy, apathetic theives. They would never walk into a CD store, load up their pockets with CD's and leave....but don't think twice about doing the same thing with their computer. Get out of your Mom's house, get a job and then enjoy the fruits of your labor. Until then stop your whining. >> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? >> . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in >> the App store?? > It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they > now think they are entitled to everything for free. I'm afraid as baby > boomer parents we have raised a generation of lazy, apathetic theives. Gen X?!? I was developing software and designing Internet protocols back when your mommie was still wetting her diapers. In case you haven't figured it out yet, a great deal of literature, including the King James version of the Bible, either are long out of copyright or were never copyrighted to begin with. They are in the public domain, and are available in electronic form for free from Project Gutenberg and other sources. Anyone who pays for public domain ebooks is a sucker, especially to read it on a tiny iToy screen. If you're going to read ebooks, get a Kindle. As for Sketches, it is certainly the author's right to ask whatever price he wants. However, his current market plan seems to be to give it away for free to the jailbreak community via Installer, but charge $8 to people who use the App store. In other words, it is a stupidity tax on the fanboys who use the App store. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > >> . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? ... > In case you haven't figured it out yet, a great deal of literature, > including the King James version of the Bible, either are long out of > copyright or were never copyrighted to begin with. They are in the public > domain, and are available in electronic form for free from Project > Gutenberg and other sources. The $30 Bible app is for the NIV Bible, not the King James Bible. The NIV is copyright 1973 for the Old Testament, and 1978 for the New Testament.  Signature--Tim Smith Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in news:reply_in_group- 2F1B34.04175812072008@news.supernews.com: > The > NIV is copyright 1973 for the Old Testament, and 1978 for the New > Testament. Isn't that kinda irrelevant since it's about a superstition that is 2000 years old without a shred of evidence to support it? > Isn't that kinda irrelevant since it's about a superstition that is 2000 > years old without a shred of evidence to support it? So's Harry Potter, but it's copyrighted up the Wazoo! ;-) >> Isn't that kinda irrelevant since it's about a superstition that is >> 2000 years old without a shred of evidence to support it? > > So's Harry Potter, but it's copyrighted up the Wazoo! ;-) I don't think there much difference between believing in Harry Potter and believing in the major moneyed religions, is there? Harry Potter doesn't constantly ask for money....only once. > I don't think there much difference between believing in Harry Potter and > believing in the major moneyed religions, is there? Not in my mind... > Harry Potter doesn't constantly ask for money....only once. Seven books, a half-dozen movies, countless toys... Still cheaper than tithing, though.. ;-) On 7/12/08 11:55 AM, in article Xns9AD985F149638noonehomecom@208.49.80.253, > Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in news:reply_in_group- > 2F1B34.04175812072008@news.supernews.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Isn't that kinda irrelevant since it's about a superstition that is 2000 > years old without a shred of evidence to support it? Yeah, RIGHT! Moron... > > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? > > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in > > the App store?? > > It seems now that Gen X has been stealing music for so long that they > now think they are entitled to everything for free. As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony should be, right? > As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony > should be, right? Oxford thinks that it's OK to sign other people up on various spam mailing lists, such as he did to my old UW account on April 11. Everybody keeps logs these days, including his ISP and even the spammers. He ought to be more careful. He may wind up pulling that stunt on someone who will do more than just laugh at his immature behavior. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > > As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony > > should be, right? > > Oxford thinks that it's OK to sign other people up on various spam mailing > lists, such as he did to my old UW account on April 11. Everybody keeps > logs these days, including his ISP and even the spammers. i did? if so, that's pretty funny... and no, i use completely free wireless and my usenet account is an accounting fluke... i'm loving it :) > He ought to be more careful. He may wind up pulling that stunt on someone > who will do more than just laugh at his immature behavior. nah, i can do whatever i want as long as it's legal. > > > . are people nuts enough to pay $30 to read the Bible on an iToy?? > > > . the Sketches app, which is free to the jailbreak community, is $8 in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony > should be, right? that wasn't my comment. >> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony >> should be, right? > > that wasn't my comment. My apologies- keeping your sock puupets straight takes more work than I'm willing to put into it I guess. I momentarily confused "anon" with "none." I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away... > >> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and telephony > >> should be, right? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the > occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away... i don't do sock puppets, only pen names like Ben Franklin. >>> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and >>> telephony should be, right? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the > occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away... A new spate of real apps was posted to maemo.org today in honor of the FruitFone toystore rollout. For the SoulSeek P2P lovers, Linux's Nicotine has a new tablet version. Of more interest to me...and I'm sure every BUSINESS user...is the introduction of a beta-quality version of "Log Me In" for the N800/N810/N810Wimax tablets: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/logmein-client/ This is the client-side browser plugin using the Mozilla browser engine of OS2008 to connect and control "Log Me In", a 3rd party commercial PC/Mac remote controller/file transfer/audio streamer/remote desktop app: https://secure.logmein.com/labs.asp?lang=en The free version does this: https://secure.logmein.com/products/free/ The paid for Pro version does more: https://secure.logmein.com/products/pro/ and for the Enterprise users we add inventory tracking and reporting... https://secure.logmein.com/products/it/ a system already in use, it seems. This picks up where Remote Desktop leaves off, allowing me to logon to my mainframes and RAID beasts, move files in and out of the tablet or laptop at will, even play any audio files the PC's massive codec pack installations support....on the tablet's speakers, even if the tablet doesn't support it! Movie video would be asking too much of sellphone bandwidth....or even wifi. Watch the demo on the logmein website! I never saw it before finding the maemo port on maemo.org's new downloads, but already have the trial version (time limited, full features) running on my laptop and mainframes. I even played MP3 files ON THE LAPTOP AT HOME ON WIFI....to the tablet's speakers on Alltel EVDO 40 miles away roaming on Alltel in Walterboro, SC, at lunch....way cool...and all controlled from the tablet. It's "Sync" function will sync a folder on the remote unit, even tablet, with the same folder on the base server at the touch of a button....very useful to inventory control, off-site sales forces, remote offices...whether on a tablet or not. I can see a lot of uses in my own business for this system.....(c; I have a large repository of every Kawai electronic service manual ever produced, which, as a Kawai servicer the company sent me on a DVD. It's on the RAID box. So, now from a church with a Kawai umtisquat 5000, I can simply copy the file from the RAID to my tablet in the church 50 miles away over EVDO and won't have to carry the manual all dog eared and dirty or have to store lots of data on the remote. Very cool indeed! Even cooler is the files are PDF files I can boot on the tablet in Xournal, make notes on them to this specific job with the stylus and highlighter, like parts prices and marked up, and send the resultant marked file back home.....right from the organ in the boondocks!....(c; The new Pidgin port: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pidgin/ supports ICQ in addition to the other systems on the long list.... God I hate texting.....I'm a SKYPE kinda guy! On texting you can't hear them passionately panting in heat! Stupid kids! I haven't had time to play with all the rest. The app counter reads 214 today. A couple days ago it said only 204! I need more time....(c; App store my a.s.....Monkey Ball....geez. > Of more interest to me...and I'm sure every BUSINESS user...is the > introduction of a beta-quality version of "Log Me In" for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > app: > https://secure.logmein.com/labs.asp?lang=en Christ, Lar, you're (almost) as bad as Oxford! When _I_ pointed out LogMeIn to you several months ago, (before it was ported to the N800) as an alternative to Remote Desktop, you poo-pooed it as insecure and said how'd you never run _your_ data through someone else's server, since you didn't know who "they" were... Now that it's "touched" the N800, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread! (Now that I'm done picking on you, I'll second the notion that LogMeIn, is, in fact, the greatest thing since sliced bread!) ;-) > Now that I'm done picking on you, I'll second the notion that LogMeIn, > is, in fact, the greatest thing since sliced bread!) ;-) One of the fatal flaws of passing 62 years old is you tend to pass by things you've never seen before, even though you've held them in your hands and played with them. No, not that!.....You never forget THAT! Sorry I didn't remember or pay more serious attention to it before. I was strung out on Orb at the time......or maybe that single malt scotch a yachtsman gave me....(c; I'm amazed how well it works across the Linux/Windoze platform bridge. > App store my a.s.....Monkey Ball....geez. "Monkey Ball", I thought they were downloading an account of Larry's teenage years for some reason. 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:22bf3699-ffeb-46b3-8905- ed321fb450d2@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: >> App store my a.s.....Monkey Ball....geez. > > "Monkey Ball", I thought they were downloading an account of Larry's > teenage years for some reason. No, that would be "Doom"....(c; On 7/12/08 11:56 AM, in article Xns9AD986061D95noonehomecom@208.49.80.253, > 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:22bf3699-ffeb-46b3-8905- > ed321fb450d2@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No, that would be "Doom"....(c; No that would be "fling the feces"... >>> As opposed to you, Oxy, who just thinks internet service and >>> telephony should be, right? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll try and be more careful. I should've realized it wasn't you- the > occasional use of correct capitalization should've given it away... Here's the whole list of apps from the: NOKIA INTERNET TABLET APP STORE Leave your wallet and credit cards in your pocket. Open Source is FREEWARE! http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/ It's html any browser will render. No special spyware needs be installed, no registration necessary unless you wish to post or join a team.... Sorry for the lack of "checkout" facilities, but many of the coders will take a donation from their own webpages if you've a mind to support them. ....damn.....out of memory errors.....again! Someone needs to build a tiny 500GB hard drive into an SD card case.... > Here's the whole list of apps from the: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/ oh my god! is that all they have? it's like i was back in the 1990's all over again with the Newton. you can't be serious that this is nokia's last best hope against the iphone? > It's html any browser will render. No special spyware needs be installed, > no registration necessary unless you wish to post or join a team.... you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone, just any regular itunes software will suffice. http://www.apple.com/itunes > Sorry for the lack of "checkout" facilities, but many of the coders will > take a donation from their own webpages if you've a mind to support them. no checkout? then how is a developer going to be interested in developing for their platform? they've been caught off guard to say the least. > ....damn.....out of memory errors.....again! > > Someone needs to build a tiny 500GB hard drive into an SD card case.... out of memory errors? you wouldn't see that on an iPhone, poor larry, caught in 1993, it's nearly unbearable to watch! > > http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/ > > oh my god! is that all they have? it's like i was back in the 1990's all > over again with the Newton. you can't be serious that this is nokia's > last best hope against the iphone? Actually the N8xx series Linux tablets are a niche product, aimed a small market. Being that they aren't phones at all (other than the ability to run IP telephony apps like Skype and Gizmo) they aren't positioned as competitors to the iPhone- Nokia sells phones for that. If Nokia's web tablet division disappeared from the face of the Earth tomorrow, Nokia probably wouldn't notice until September when their quarterly reports became past-due... Having said that, the tablets are slick little mini-computers. I'd probably buy one just for giggles except that I don't have the time to delve into another platform, despite the fact that Larry's posts make it sound like an absolute hoot to tinker with. He's a far better advocate for the Nokia tablets than you are for the iPhone, frankly, since he posts his real-world experiences with excitement, rather than your tired rhetoric, platitudes, and ridiculous claims. > you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone, > just any regular itunes software will suffice. Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an 80MB media player and library app. The only praise I'll give iTunes is that it's _slightly_ less annoying and akward than the abominable Zune software I'm forced to use to manage my kids' Zunes. Oh well, at least the Zune software is pretty... > > > http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/250/ > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > delve into another platform, despite the fact that Larry's posts make it > sound like an absolute hoot to tinker with. good points, thanks todd. > He's a far better advocate for the Nokia tablets than you are for the iPhone, > frankly, since he posts his real-world experiences with excitement, rather > than your tired rhetoric, platitudes, and ridiculous claims. bad points, no thanks todd. > > you don't need any special software to view all the apps for the iphone, > > just any regular itunes software will suffice. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > software I'm forced to use to manage my kids' Zunes. Oh well, at least the > Zune software is pretty... QuickTime is far more than just a "media player"... it's an entire multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive. check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... http://www.apple.com/quicktime/pro/technologies.html http://www.apple.com/quicktime/pro/specs.html that's why Macs are so much more usable on the web, while using a PC running Windows or Linux is like watching 1970's TV in comparison. http://www.apple.com/imac/ Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-4811C4.00004312072008 @news.qwest.net: > that's why Macs are so much more usable on the web, while using a PC > running Windows or Linux is like watching 1970's TV in comparison. > > http://www.apple.com/imac/ ...as a stockholder, too bad their balance sheet doesn't agree with you. Unfortunately, Mac/iPhone are niche products for a small percentage of the overall PC users who like being held by the hand and forced to do what Apple tells them to. ...besides, like it or not, the software is written for WINDOZE because one man, Steve Jobs, refused to let 3rd parties have at it like Micro$not did. Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage......Nuts. > Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft > stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage......Nuts. in 1967??? microsoft was founded in 1975. bill gates was still in high school in 1967, and there were no personal computers then either. >> Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft >> stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage......Nuts. > > in 1967??? microsoft was founded in 1975. bill gates was still in > high school in 1967, and there were no personal computers then either. And they weren't a public company until 1985, so there wasn't any Microsoft stock for sale to the public until then. And Microsoft didn't have a garage. Hewlett-Packard had a garage, Apple had a garage, Google had a garage, but Microsoft missed that stage. Dennis Ferguson On 7/13/08 2:11 AM, in article 130720080011514609%nospam@nospam.invalid, >> Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft >> stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage......Nuts. > > in 1967??? microsoft was founded in 1975. bill gates was still in > high school in 1967, and there were no personal computers then either. Don't let Reality get in Larry's way. The old fool said it - so it *IS*. Resistance is futile. All your base belong to him. > Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft > stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage... 1967? Have you ever gotten anything correct? You are an idiot. Funny yes, but a complete idiot. Please keep posting. On 7/13/08 9:14 AM, in article anon-52581F.10143513072008@news.giganews.com, >> Sure wish I'd taken a mini computer friend's advise and bought Microsoft >> stock in 1967 when they had 12 employees in Billy's garage... > > 1967? Have you ever gotten anything correct? You are an idiot. Funny > yes, but a complete idiot. Please keep posting. But, somewhere a village is missing Larry... On 7/12/08 11:52 AM, in article Xns9AD98564F1CF7noonehomecom@208.49.80.253, > Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-4811C4.00004312072008 > @news.qwest.net: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ...as a stockholder, too bad their balance sheet doesn't agree with you. Yeah, RIGHT! > > Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an > > 80MB media player and library app. The only praise I'll give iTunes is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > QuickTime is far more than just a "media player"... Quicktime <> iTunes... > it's an entire > multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive. That's marketing speak- translated into English, it's a media player with browser integration. So is WMP, Real, and to a lesser extent, Flash, Silverlight, Shockwave, etc. > check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.apple.com/imac/ Cupertino has you right where they want yo, eh? > > it's an entire > > multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive. > > That's marketing speak- translated into English, it's a media player with > browser integration. So is WMP, Real, and to a lesser extent, Flash, > Silverlight, Shockwave, etc. no, you are just talking about the "player", not all the API's for Apps, that can be utilized once QuickTime is installed. It's an entire layer of software that makes the machine more colorful, play crisper videos, better sound, music integration, etc... throughout the entire OS. > > check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cupertino has you right where they want yo, eh? i could careless about cupertino, i just like wonderfully designed products. someday you'll get a mac and see what everyone is talking about. > > > it's an entire > > > multimedia architecture that makes the web & your apps come alive. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of software that makes the machine more colorful, play crisper videos, > better sound, music integration, etc... throughout the entire OS. Yes... just like Windows Media... > > > check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... > > > > > > http://www.apple.com/quicktime/pro/technologies.html Yeah, Windows has nothing like it... ...other than Windows Media... > > Cupertino has you right where they want you, eh? > > i could careless about cupertino, i just like wonderfully designed > products. > > someday you'll get a mac and see what everyone is talking about. Or, at least what 6% of the computer buying public talks about... On Jul 13, 12:58 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote: > Or, at least what 6% of the computer buying public talks about... Actually Apple is similar to buying a Volvo, Mercedes or BMW; not everyone can afford one but those that do understand why they are worth it. I suspect these have less than 6% of the total car market. Does anyone who purchased one of these cars and similar products worry about it? I doubt it, they have a life. In article <40ac93c3-72fc-4028-9a0c-ac0f95159ded@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, > Actually Apple is similar to buying a Volvo, Mercedes or BMW; not > everyone can afford one but those that do understand why they are > worth it Finally, someone speaks the truth! If some of these posters spent as much time looking for a job as they do with their jealous whining in this group they might be able to join us on the cutting edge of technology. anon <anon@anon.com> amazed us all with the following in news:anon- ABE9C3.10115313072008@news.giganews.com: > In article > <40ac93c3-72fc-4028-9a0c-ac0f95159ded@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with their jealous whining in this group they might be able to join us > on the cutting edge of technology. Cutting edge? Where? > In article > <40ac93c3-72fc-4028-9a0c-ac0f95159ded@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with their jealous whining in this group they might be able to join us > on the cutting edge of technology. You surely meant the bleeding edge. Pass the Band-Aids and s'mores - for the camp-out (awaiting activation). >> check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... Thank goodness....(c; > check out some of the specs, windows has nothing like it... But I can guarantee that they will in the years to come. As usual, Apple leads...others just follow. > Actually the N8xx series Linux tablets are a niche product, aimed a small > market. Being that they aren't phones at all (other than the ability to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > probably wouldn't notice until September when their quarterly reports > became past-due... All correct. > Having said that, the tablets are slick little mini-computers. Indeed. It's a serious -- and quite affordable -- alternative to a Linux laptop. It fits in a shirt pocket, has enough resolution that you don't need to zoom in and out all the time like you do on an iToy, and is a completely open platform. The task of porting software from other Linux systems to it is generally little more than a recompile. > I'd > probably buy one just for giggles except that I don't have the time to > delve into another platform, despite the fact that Larry's posts make it > sound like an absolute hoot to tinker with. You should consider it. It's quite addictive, especially once you set it up with a bunch of community repositories (the Nokia one is pretty sparse). Last autumn, at a conference some PHB was bloviating about how mobile devices would never be able to handle large mail folders ("large" being "much more than 100 messages"). I decided that said PHB needed some humble pills, so I proceeded to demonstrate opening, threading, and scroll-viewing through a 55,000 message mailbox via IMAP on my N800 (no, this was not with Nokia's stock mail client -- stuff that people with the correct software on UNIX type systems (including Linux) do routinely. I later repeated the same feat on a jailbroken iPod Touch. It's a bit slower and clankier than the N800, but it could do it with the right software (not Apple's Mail.app). The most significant weakness with the iToy is the inadequate screen resolution and the on-screen keyboard that consumes nearly half the available screen space. Also, the scroller in Apple's API doesn't scale to views with 5-digit item counts (it's clanky with just 3-digit ones!), so you have to provide your own. > Except those of us without iPhones or iPods have no reason to install an > 80MB media player and library app. It was very hard for me to believe that anything could suck worse than Windows Media Player until I encountered iTunes. iTunes violates Apple's own human interface guidelines. Then there are all its wonderful "unknown error (69)" error messages that announce your device being turned into a brick. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > Then there are all its wonderful "unknown > error (69)" error messages that announce your device being turned into a > brick. Hmm...didn't know about this. I find it humorous that this is error 69, however....(c; I always considered 69 a "lucky number", sometimes VERY lucky! >> Then there are all its wonderful "unknown >> error (69)" error messages that announce your device being turned into a >> brick. > Hmm...didn't know about this. I find it humorous that this is error 69, > however....(c; I guess that you're not familiar with MIT hacker slang. "69" means "arbitrary random number" and not specifically that value. Typical actual numbers are 2002, -2, etc. The real issue is that it displays error codes without interpreting those codes to the user. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-DA689C.22045011072008 @news.qwest.net: > out of memory errors? you wouldn't see that on an iPhone, poor larry, > caught in 1993, it's nearly unbearable to watch! You can't run out of memory if your PoS only plays programs ONE AT A TIME! |
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