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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 2008The "REAL" reason to get an iPhone
Snipped from CNN a 24-year-old grad student, spent the night outside an AT&T store in Atlanta, keeping his cheer up with bags of Doritos, three games of Scrabble and two packs of cigarettes. Asked why he was waiting in line, he responded simply "Chicks dig the iPhone." > Snipped from CNN > > a 24-year-old grad student, spent the night outside an AT&T store in > Atlanta, keeping his cheer up with bags of Doritos, three games of > Scrabble and two packs of cigarettes. Asked why he was waiting in line, > he responded simply "Chicks dig the iPhone." I was surrounded by them as they were waiting to get a new 3G iPhone. All were converting from Verizon. Poor Verizon took a hit today ;>) And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :) On Jul 11, 7:04 pm, DTC <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote: > Snipped from CNN > > a 24-year-old grad student, spent the night outside an AT&T store in > Atlanta, keeping his cheer up with bags of Doritos, three games of > Scrabble and two packs of cigarettes. Asked why he was waiting in line, > he responded simply "Chicks dig the iPhone." I was surrounded by them as they were waiting to get a new 3G iPhone. All were converting from Verizon. Poor Verizon took a hit today ;>) >And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :) It IS UP BY 50% year over year. >On Jul 11, 7:04 pm, DTC <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote: >> Snipped from CNN [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Poor Verizon took a hit today ;>) BFD. The point I was getting at was he was tooting watch the stock climb when the 2.0 iPhone is released. Well it's out and the stock is down. >>And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Poor Verizon took a hit today ;>) > BFD. The point I was getting at was he was tooting watch the stock climb > when the 2.0 iPhone is released. > > Well it's out and the stock is down. well, that has very little to do with the iPhone 2.0... it's about 40% due to Steve's 2nd health scare, 30% oil prices, 20% the housing collapse and 10% general bearishness. apple continues to outperform the markets so look at a chart comparing apple and the S&P 500, DOW and Nasdaq and you'll see the iPhone 2.0 has been very well received. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=1y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=%5EGSPC,%5EIXIC, %5EDJI - Yeah. You said the prices will go up when the iPhone 2.0 sells. Your a flake. Thanks for playing. >> BFD. The point I was getting at was he was tooting watch the stock climb >> when the 2.0 iPhone is released. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - > Yeah. You said the prices will go up when the iPhone 2.0 sells. Your a > flake. > Thanks for playing. i never made any claim to apple stock price in correlation to the iphone 2.0 release. more egg on your face. > >And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :) > > It IS UP BY 50% year over year. yep, Verizon is seen as a complete joke by investors, or "people in the know" like me. this spells it out quite clearly. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=vz Verizon just can't compete against smarter companies like Apple. > yep, Verizon is seen as a complete joke by investors, or "people in the > know" like me. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Verizon just can't compete against smarter companies like Apple. YOU.... "in the know" - The last sentence above proves the exact opposite. It is so utterly stupid, not further elaboration is needed. Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in news:apony- BC606D.20043411072008@news.qwest.net: >> >And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :) >> >> It IS UP BY 50% year over year. > > yep, Verizon is seen as a complete joke by investors, or "people in the > know" like me. Sorry- reading things on the bathroom wall at work doesn't make you "people in the know". > this spells it out quite clearly. > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=vz > > Verizon just can't compete against smarter companies like Apple. Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each other? > Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each > other? Oxford doesn't understand the difference between technology sector and utility sector. He only understands that one utility turned down his preferred toy, therefore (in his warped sense of reality) that utility is doomed. Yesterday's embarassing rollout of the iPhone 3G, in which many customers were left without any phone service at all and the iTunes upgrade server was unavailable until late at night, shows how very far Apple needs to go before it can become a serious player as opposed to a fad. It'll be interesting to watch what happens when it dawns on the fanboys worldwide that by using mobileme they've given all their private data to the US government. Of course, that assumes that mobileme eventually is made to work. Apple doesn't seem to understand scalability yet. Meanwhile, Big Red continues to be the US carrier of choice with people who want their mobile phone service to work. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. >> Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each >> other? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. Well said. > It'll be interesting to watch what happens when it dawns on the fanboys > worldwide that by using mobileme they've given all their private data to > the US government. Of course, that assumes that mobileme eventually is > made to work. Apple doesn't seem to understand scalability yet. That doesn't scare me half as much as letting ATT have their private data stored in Isreal for the Mossad to have access to..... All landline phone company records are stored in Israel. Ask yourself why......(c; http://www.rense.com/general18/isr2.htm Rense is quoting the Fox News reporting... Do YOU trust the Mossad with your credit card numbers? It has been said here before that some (me?) hate the iPhone for no apparent reason. That just isn't true. It is a flawed device and contrary to what the nutjob fanBOY club says, it is FAR from perfect. Now, don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a great little handheld. The touch screen is a ton of fun to use, the music- and video-playback capabilities are fantastic, and it's one of the better mobile Web-browsing devices out there. The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people. The iPhone 3G is AT&T only. This alone means that a good chunk of the country should look elsewhere. AT&T simply isn't the best carrier in many places. And anyone with half a brain picks the carrier first - THEN the phone. Purchasing ANY phone without considering the carrier that you'll use first, is certainly putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. The iPhone 3G costs more than $199. The pricing is complicated, but the real deal is that a new 16GB model could possibly cost you as much as $699. The iPhone 3G isn't worth the upgrade because you'll pay more for an iPhone 3G contract each month. The iPhone 3G's battery life is going to SUCK. If you want to use your iPhone as your MP3 player, PDA, e-mail device, AND phone, you'll never be able to actually use the damn thing (certainly not all day). And, given this, that battery STILL isn't user-replaceable. Stupid, stupid, STUPID! The iPhone 3G's storage is limited to 16GB. For a phone with this feature set to not have a flash memory slot is also just plain DUMB. The iPhone 3G is NOT a feature leader. The touch screen and user interface are actually quite nice, but when it comes to features, the iPhone isn't a leader and certainly isn't as compelling as the fanBOY would lead you to believe. What's missing? That support for additional flash memory; stereo Bluetooth support; picture messaging; video recording; and the rudimentary ability to cut-and-paste text. Its 2-megapixel camera doesn't even have a flash! And then - there is that (non field replacable) battery. In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone 3G. > The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people. Duh. You are stating the obvious. There is no reason one phone model should be the best for most people. And of course the iPhone has flaws. Every phone has flaws. None are going to be perfect. While it may not be the best phone for most people it is going to be the best phone for many people. I intend to try it out myself for 30 days (there is a 30 day return policy) as soon as the lines are over with. They were still lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T store a few blocks from here. So some sure think the phone is best for them.  SignatureCharles >> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T store a few blocks > from here. So some sure think the phone is best for them. Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let some gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually learning a skill etc. > Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let some > gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually > learning a skill etc. Translation: I can't afford an iPhone. >> Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let >> some gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually >> learning a skill etc. > > Translation: I can't afford an iPhone. THe translation is more along the lines of: I wouldn't be caught dead with a teenagers iPod as my phone. >>> Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let >>> some gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > THe translation is more along the lines of: I wouldn't be caught dead with > a teenagers iPod as my phone. Exactly, why would a normal adult be envious of some electronic gadget that pretty much anyone can buy? >>>> Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let >>>> some gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Exactly, why would a normal adult be envious of some electronic gadget > that pretty much anyone can buy? Or, why buy a new phone (and contract) when you already have a phone that does what you need! If you have a good reason to buy a new phone, the iPhone MAY be just what you need. OTOH, even if you need a new phone, the iPhone MAY be a poor choice for your needs. >>>>> Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let >>>>> some gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Or, why buy a new phone (and contract) when you already have a phone > that does what you need! This may be the best point made yet. > If you have a good reason to buy a new phone, the iPhone MAY be just > what you need. OTOH, even if you need a new phone, the iPhone MAY be a > poor choice for your needs. > Exactly, why would a normal adult be envious of some electronic gadget > that pretty much anyone can buy? Spending so much time and energy whining about a product you despise? The transparency of the trolls jealousy is pretty obvious. A bit crazy, but truly real. For what other reason would you care about what smartphone/PDA we choose to use anyways? >> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most >> people. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > store a few blocks from here. So some sure think the phone is best > for them. You're confusing that some people think the iPhone is the PHONE that's best for them as opposed to the GADGET that's best for them. There is a difference. In truth, imho, the iPhone is not a 'phone', but a tune player and web browser with a phone in it. Now that may be what many people want. I can't say I'm not one of them perhaps. But it's definitely not the best PHONE for anyone It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone. > It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including > not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone. I agree with the gadget part of your post. It is the other features than the phone draw me to the iPhone. Best service provider is subjective. Location has a lot to do with it. I do think Verizon still is the best service provider here. It was the last time I tested phones about three years ago. But a major reason I figure I can get by with an iPhone on AT&T is that I will still have a Verizon phone. Right now I have two Verizon phones. One is issued to me by my employer. It is a basic phone. I have to carry two phones anyway and one will still be on Verizon. SignatureCharles >>> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most >>> people. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >PHONE for anyone It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including >not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone. ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United States. > ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United > States. Right. They did a bang-up job with all of the iPhone 3G activations that first day, didn't they. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >> ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United >> States. > > Right. They did a bang-up job with all of the iPhone 3G activations that > first day, didn't they. Oh, and Trollboi, lest we forget, you were complaining about AT&T not too long after switching from Sprint... SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >>> ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United >>> States. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Oh, and Trollboi, lest we forget, you were complaining about AT&T not too >long after switching from Sprint... ATT will still be here in its current form a year from now, Sprint won't be. ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.] > ATT will still be here in its current form a year from now, Sprint > won't be. And your point is....? You're crowing about AT&T now, but back when you started with them, you were whining. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >> ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United >> States. > > Right. They did a bang-up job with all of the iPhone 3G activations that > first day, didn't they. I'd still lay the blame at Apple for this "pre-bricked" b*llsh*t. AT&T's job is to provide a customer with a phone and a working SIM. No other phone in AT&T's arsenal needs to be tethered to a computer in order to contact the manufacturer's server for permission to "activate" it. If the phones were shipped ready to use, like EVERY OTHER GSM phone on planet Earth, there wouldn't have been any snafus yesterday (other than the overload of iPhone 1.0 owners trying to upgrade to 2.0, but that wouldn't affect new activations if those phones also didn't need to contact the same servers.) >> ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United >> States. > > Right. They did a bang-up job with all of the iPhone 3G activations that > first day, didn't they. Charleston, South Carolina area report..... 3G implemented in downtown Charleston, about half of North Charleston, Mt Pleasant across the harbor from Charleston where the lawyers live and parts of James Island. The bedroom community of Summerville, where thousands and thousands of middle class customers live is EDGE only, as is all the surrounding communities. What ATT did was to install 3G on a few towers where the bankers and lawyers work and live. To hell with the rest including the iPhone owners. Both Verizon and Alltel provide wide area EVDO coverage wherever the company has phone coverage. Alltel provides broadband EVDO in the damnedest place in the boondocks! Tiny hamlets and all the little roads between them have broadband internet service to keep my Alltel-connected music streaming driving out in the country. ATT my a.s....it's sh.t! >> ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United >> States. > >Right. They did a bang-up job with all of the iPhone 3G activations that >first day, didn't they. Had too many activations; system couldnt keep up at first; same thing happened last year. Many stores are sold out already. http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/availability.html?state=TX On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:39:54 -0700, "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com>unsucessfully tries to tear down the iPhone 3G >It has been said here before that some (me?) hate the iPhone for no >apparent reason. That just isn't true. It is a flawed device and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people. Some maybe? >The iPhone 3G is AT&T only. This alone means that a good chunk of the country >should look elsewhere. AT&T simply isn't the best carrier in many places. >And anyone with half a brain picks the carrier first - THEN the phone. >Purchasing ANY phone without considering the carrier that you'll use first, >is certainly putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. Now that analog has been turned off, ATT coverage reaches more people than any other carrier. >The iPhone 3G costs more than $199. The pricing is complicated, but >the real deal is that a new 16GB model could possibly cost you as much >as $699. Sorry, for MOST people the cost will be $199. >The iPhone 3G isn't worth the upgrade because you'll pay more for an iPhone >3G contract each month. $10 more for the data portion cause you'll likely be using far more than 50% more data. >The iPhone 3G's battery life is going to SUCK. If you want to use your iPhone as >your MP3 player, PDA, e-mail device, AND phone, you'll never be able to actually >use the damn thing (certainly not all day). And, given this, that battery STILL isn't >user-replaceable. Stupid, stupid, STUPID! WRONG - It is user replaceable, just Apple isnt providing instructions. The 3G battery IS NOT soldered in. >The iPhone 3G's storage is limited to 16GB. For a phone with this feature set to >not have a flash memory slot is also just plain DUMB. The Biodegradable Sprint phones that have memory slots are typically limted to a 8 Gig add-on card (and that card is extra cost) >The iPhone 3G is NOT a feature leader. The touch screen and user interface are actually >quite nice, but when it comes to features, the iPhone isn't a leader and certainly isn't as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone 3G. "Free" phones you mean with a 2 year contract also. And name one with all the features you just listed. And I certainly dont want any phone using the inferior 1900 MHz Band. > WRONG - It is user replaceable, just Apple isnt providing > instructions. The 3G battery IS NOT soldered in. But you have to take the phone apart don't you? I don't think that is exactly the common definition of user replaceable. That is a fudge of the definition of user replaceable. SignatureCharles > Now that analog has been turned off, ATT coverage reaches more people > than any other carrier. I don't think that this is true now. Also, once the acquisitions are complete, it certainly will not be true. >>The iPhone 3G's battery life is going to SUCK. If you want to use your iPhone as >>your MP3 player, PDA, e-mail device, AND phone, you'll never be able to actually [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > WRONG - It is user replaceable, just Apple isnt providing > instructions. The 3G battery IS NOT soldered in. Yes, someone is going to carry a little screwdriver around and dick around with disassembling the phone to swap a battery. You know exactly what I meant and it stioo stands - the iPhone does NOT have a field replacable battery > And I certainly dont want any phone using the inferior 1900 MHz Band. Hey bucko - what freqs do you think your beloved iPhone uses? If you stand by your above statement, you don't want an iPhone either. You DO know that AT&T isn't just 800Mhz, right?? > Sprint phones that have memory slots are typically > limted to a 8 Gig add-on card (and that card is extra cost) But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the card as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? Sorry to see that you're still stupid and slow. >> Sprint phones that have memory slots are typically >> limted to a 8 Gig add-on card (and that card is extra cost) > >But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the card >as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? Delete the existing music, load more music on instead. Not as convenient, but for most users, it does the trick. >>> Sprint phones that have memory slots are typically >>> limted to a 8 Gig add-on card (and that card is extra cost) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Delete the existing music, load more music on instead. Or keep the music and put in a new card to get more. Or switch from a music card to a movie card. > Not as convenient, but for most users, it does the trick. "Doing the trick" sounds more like settling for the limitations of a device instead of having greater freedom to do what you really want. > >>But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the > >>card as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Doing the trick" sounds more like settling for the limitations of a > device instead of having greater freedom to do what you really want. Six of one, half-dozen of the other, I guess... I use a 2GB Micro SD in my WinMo phone, and never swap it out (other than stick it in a reader to transfer files.) If my Tilt had 8GB or 16GB on board, I probably wouldn't bother with external storage. Obviously large internal storage PLUS an external slot would be the best of both worlds, but of the iPhone's solution (large internal memory, no external) or the solution of typical phones (little intenal memory, external slot), neither has a clear advantage, IMO- both fall short of the ideal. > Delete the existing music, load more music on instead. > > Not as convenient, but for most users, it does the trick. I got four 16GB SDHC cards for the tablet marked MOVIES How long will it take iTunes to load 64GB into a FruitFone?? Oh, never mind, it doesn't play the DivX movies, anyways... > Oh, never mind, it doesn't play the DivX movies, anyways... A brain dead iPhone | iTunes user can easily convert DIVIX to the iPhone with the free Vidoria application and one or two clicks. I do it all the time. I have regular DVDs and such as well as downloaded DIVX converted for my iPhone. New DVDs come with an iPhone file already on them. You still don't get that type of support for Nokia or other wannabe touch cellphones. The left coast supports media for the iPhone only. 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:5cca191a-85d4-4210-aac2- 3e38deb31729@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: > You still don't get > that type of support for Nokia or other wannabe touch cellphones. The > left coast supports media for the iPhone only. What kind of support do I need? I might be missing something! I download the movies from alt.binaries.movies.divx...... I compress them further with the media converter JAVA the hackers wrote so it doesn't use so much memory on the little cards....... I copy the output 343KB files to the 16GB card I swap with the external card then play with mplayer full screen.... What kind of support do I need to do such simple things?? Do I need a nanny watching over my shoulder, too? > What kind of support do I need? I might be missing something! > > I download the movies from alt.binaries.movies.divx...... > Do I need a nanny watching over my shoulder, too? You might need an attorney. You just admitted to be a thief in a public forum. anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-2AA3A1.19343813072008 @news.giganews.com: > You might need an attorney. > You just admitted to be a thief in a public forum. So......arrest me. > anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-2AA3A1.19343813072008 > @news.giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So......arrest me. OK. If you insist. > But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the > card as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? Anybody got a soldering gun with a tiny tip for these damned little wires??....(c; Bubba > > But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the > > card as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? > > Anybody got a soldering gun with a tiny tip for these damned little > wires??....(c; if soldering is a little too advanced or you, you can always use butt crimp connectors. http://www.crowbarelectricalparts.com/Butt_Connectors.htm but since the battery in the iPhone 2 is even easier to replace, you wouldn't need them in 4 years or whenever the battery in the iPhone 1.0 starts to fade. Yeah those are going to fit inside the case alright. >> > But they are not limited to 8 Gig of data because you can swap out the >> > card as many times as you want. How do you do that with an iPhone? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > wouldn't need them in 4 years or whenever the battery in the iPhone 1.0 > starts to fade. > Yeah those are going to fit inside the case alright. there is plenty of room if you buy the right crimp... hee he, this is clear indication Kevin Weaver has never done anything "electronic" but make "toast"... toooo funny! > And I certainly dont want any phone using the inferior 1900 MHz Band. ...then you don't want AT&T on PCS! > In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone 3G. Worst attempt at trolling I've seen in years. >> In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone >> 3G. > > Worst attempt at trolling I've seen in years. Why? It's the truth. |
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