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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / July 20083G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!
This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct which is a less power hungry network for voice calls.! Ha HA Boo Hah Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure... http://mobilitysite.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/windowslivewriter3gappleiphon ehasthebestbatterylife-804fbattery-life-chart-for-web-8c0c26ef-5978-4350-a19e-13 b9ac7419bb.jpg http://mobilitysite.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/windowslivewriter3gappleiphon ehasthebestbatterylife-804fbattery-life-chart-for-web-8c0c26ef-5978-4350-a19e-13 b9ac7419bb.jpg More on Gizmodo and PC World and a raft of others... LOL > This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone > sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > LOL I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss this point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab "test" done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's battery "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the gas-mileage figures posted on new cars, figures which have little relationship to real-world driving. Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT on it, is the key operative phrase? Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but you can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device being operative if and when you really need it. I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an hour, and you're not worried because if your battery runs down you're not that far from home, then we have different expectations and a way different perspective on how we need our phones to operate. No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above. >> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone >> sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for >the reasons mentioned above. Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels. For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people charge devices in their car, its new technology you may not have heard of its called a "car Charger". http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Car-and-Airplane-Charger-for-iPod-or-i-Phon e/2024492/product.html?cid=123620&fp=F&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10326243 When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental. >>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G >>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall > (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental. 1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the plane is flying. 2. It's becoming incredulous to me that there are actually guys like you that actually advocate adapting your behavior to suit the limitations of the device. Do you really mean this stuff or are you yanking my chain? So when you fly with your wife and kids, you make sure to sit outside that club so you can plug in? Unlike me, you never have to actually wait at the boarding area before the plane is boarding, often for periods of time with delays? Do you really fly or did you make that up? I fly several times a year. My experiences wouldn't allow for those accommodations. Actually, you're being silly even by recommending them. 3. Continental doesn't fly to Mexico. 4. I never said anything about car charging. You threw that in there to make yourself sound smart, didn't you? 5. I never said I have "trouble with my plane travels". If you've never flown past Chicago, I suppose you haven't experienced connecting flights to countries that don't have direct flights. 6. Your failure to recognize these issues as shortcomings of the device and to try to defend them with those ludicrous "solutions" makes you not a credible advocate. >>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G >>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the plane >is flying. Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an iPhone while on a Plane. >>>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G >>>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an > iPhone while on a Plane. I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!. > > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an > > iPhone while on a Plane. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've > never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!. you can check if your plane does here: http://www.seatguru.com/articles/in-seat_laptop_power.php > >>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power > >>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people > I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad > solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all > seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've > never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!. The only plane I ever phone the power socket on was the flight just before I bought the Targus Auto-Air Adapter. Never saw another one. ;-( I thought since I was flying the same route, on the same airline, with the same model airplane, my chances were pretty good.  SignatureClarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an > iPhone while on a Plane. Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight. > Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen > recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall > seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight. I have never had a jack either. I think they may be in first class.... SignatureCharles >> Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen >> recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall >> seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight. > >I have never had a jack either. I think they may be in first class.... Depends on your airline, AA's MD80s have power ports in some rows, but not all in coach, and all in business. That's all I fly on regularly enough to know, but check http://www.seatguru.com/ if you're planning a flight and want to find a seat with power. > > Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an > > iPhone while on a Plane. > > Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen > recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall > seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight. it depends on the airline. american airlines has seat power in all cabins (including economy) on all of the mainline aircraft. on their smaller planes, such as the crj, there isn't any seat power, but those planes are used for short flights so it's not a big deal. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:150720081848116670% nospam@nospam.invalid: > such as the > crj, there isn't any seat power, but those planes are used for short > flights so it's not a big deal. On those planes, you have to lean over the pilot and ask him to plug the cord into where the cigarette lighter plugs into the dash by the COMM/NAV display next to the fuel guage....(c; Be careful not to bump the throttle in and scare the hell out of the other passenger....singular.... "We must have quite a headwind, today. There goes the Greyhound Bus, with our luggage on it, beating us to town on the main road below!" On 7/15/08 10:48 PM, in article Xns9ADD21B9B91Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253, > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:150720081848116670% > nospam@nospam.invalid: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "We must have quite a headwind, today. There goes the Greyhound Bus, with > our luggage on it, beating us to town on the main road below!" You need to stop drinking so heavily. George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in news:C4A3667D.BC72% ghost_topper@hotmail.com: > You need to stop drinking so heavily. It's not me it's the copilot! The stewardess filled his glass with bourbon 3 times! >> Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an >> iPhone while on a Plane. > > Except most planes DO NOT HAVE the necessary jack for it. Out of a dozen > recent international trips NONE had the jack. I can really only recall > seeing it ONCE during a domestic flight. It seems to depend on the airline. When I was flying American frequently the business class seats had 12V cigar lighter power jacks. There is usually an EmPower jack on United flights I take. Singapore Airlines has 110V AC sockets, Cathay Pacific has EmPower jacks, I think Virgin Atlantic has EmPower jacks, some Air Canada planes have EmPower jacks. I haven't found any power sockets on the Alaska Airlines, Southwest and Mexicana flights I've taken recently. I used to pay closer attention to this, but what I mostly wanted power for was my laptop and the Macbook Pro I carry now seems to want more power than any of these support (the Macbook wants 85W but the power plugs all seem to be limited to 70W) so now if the flight goes longer than my laptop battery I usually just sleep instead. I would note that I've seen "charging stations", with a bunch of AC power sockets, in the gate waiting areas of an increasing number of airports I've changed plans in. The airport I specifically remember these in is LAX, the stations all have Samsung ads attached. Even in airports without these, however, I can usually find a wall socket to use to recharge the laptop between planes. Dennis Ferguson >> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall >> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental. [...] > 3. Continental doesn't fly to Mexico. I've flow Continental from Houston to Mexico City, Zihuatanejo and Morelia. I think there are 6 or 8 flights a day to Mexico City alone. > 4. I never said anything about car charging. You threw that in there to make > yourself sound smart, didn't you? When I flew with them frequently American Airlines had car-style 12V power sockets in the seats, at least in business class, on all the flights I took on MD80s. I don't know if they still do, but someone who really wanted to be prepared to use whatever power the aircraft had to offer might want to carry one of those too. > 5. I never said I have "trouble with my plane travels". If you've never > flown past Chicago, I suppose you haven't experienced connecting flights to > countries that don't have direct flights. I've never found connections a problem, however, since I can usually find an AC wall socket to recharge from. Only the plane itself can be a problem. > 6. Your failure to recognize these issues as shortcomings of the device and > to try to defend them with those ludicrous "solutions" makes you not a > credible advocate. I don't know. I travel quite frequently, but manage to get along pretty well without carrying extra batteries for anything. I used to do this, but once I used the extra battery I never seemed to get around to charging it again so it just ended up being more dead weight to lug around. Now I recharge things when I get the opportunity and live with whatever the single battery provides. To each his own. Dennis Ferguson > trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting > potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm on a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > picking me up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT > on it, is the key operative phrase? the iPhone battery will last over 20 hours for music, it's just 3G that really sucks power. You can always bring along a 2nd battery pack for the iPhone and just use regular AA batteries until your heart is content. here is one of many solutions: http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html Nobody beats Apple in battery life, their Laptops are the same way... lasting around 20% more than anyone else. Apple has many more resources and has been working on battery life since the late 80's. Companies like Samsung, Nokia, Motorola simply can't built devices that last as long, they don't have the expertise. Even simple things like "proximity sensors" that sense the "mass of your head" when you are talking, and power down unneeded features is something most of the other phone makers don't know how to do... Get an iPhone, it's the best on the market by far. >> trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not counting >> potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7 hours I'm [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info. > Nobody beats Apple in battery life, their Laptops are the same way... > lasting around 20% more than anyone else. The above just reeks of "fanboi" broohah, does not address the post, and was unnecessary. > Even simple things like "proximity sensors" that sense the "mass of > your head" when you are talking, and power down unneeded features is > something most of the other phone makers don't know how to do... That is an impressive feature and has not gone unnoticed by me. > Get an iPhone, it's the best on the market by far. It's possible that it is. Let's see what happens in the next few weeks. >> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's? >Thanks for the info. http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UPB10%20Battery:1994039128 is better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB. >>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UPB10%20Battery:1994039128 is > better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB. Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the non-replaceable battery problem is growing. >>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the non-replaceable >battery problem is growing. That's the guy I carry (or a similar one), it can recharge nearly any of my devices. I also carry it's big brother, which can run my laptop for several hours, that guy also has a USB power out. Another option, which I have not personally tried, is a fuel cell: http://mytreo.net/store/xproduct.php?xProd=1126 I'm sure you can get it elsewhere, probably with just the iPod tip rather then adding another $3 for it, I just happened to have the link handy due to the fact that mytreo was one of the first vendors to offer this particular product. Plenty of choices. Personally, I'd rather carry one external battery that is capable of recharging all of my devices then to purchase individual spare batteries for each of my devices and try to juggle charging each of those spares -- However, I travel gadget heavy. Conversely, for those few trips where I don't travel gadget heavy, I can definitely see the appeal of a single replaceable battery. My only objection is that I never manage to charge the replaceable battery unless I carry a dedicated charger, I tend to forget to swap batteries in the device when I am recharging. >>>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > battery unless I carry a dedicated charger, I tend to forget to swap > batteries in the device when I am recharging. I own and take an iGo with me when I go on extended trips. I have three tips for the three devices I currently take with me. But I like to put that in my suitcase and use it when I'm away, not try to hook all that stuff up when I'm in the air. Flying these days is tough enough without having to worry about that too. > > here is one of many solutions: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > dead, would that accessory sustain several phone calls on a pair of AA's? > Thanks for the info. yes, should give you around 8 hours more of talk time if your internal battery is dead (which would be very unlikely)... i assume that's using alkaline batteries, probably much more if you go with lithium. >>> here is one of many solutions: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > battery is dead (which would be very unlikely)... i assume that's > using alkaline batteries, probably much more if you go with lithium. Gotcha. Thanks. >the iPhone battery will last over 20 hours for music, it's just 3G that >really sucks power. I'm still weirded out by this one, on my RAZR2v9, 3G mode was far better on my battery. On my TILT I believe the same, although I haven't actually tested it. Does Apple have a fantastic EDGE chip, or a poor 3G chip? > Nobody beats Apple in battery life, Bzzzzzt, wrong again. Sony's beat them all, hands down. > No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery > user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge > an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of using it for > the reasons mentioned above. no, you are incorrect. that's more about an UNEDUCATED public since people still don't realize that apple is using lithium ion batteries so the need to replace them on the fly isn't necessary like it was 5-10 years ago. Apple is just ahead of the public, and of course your "uneducated" comment continues to show this ignorance. if you want more battery power, just take it! there are PLENTY of battery extenders for the iPhone, just get one and be done with it. http://www.jr.com/kensington/pe/KEG_33396/ http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/12/03/iphone.battery.pack.debuts/ http://fastmac.com/iv.php >> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery >> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > no, you are incorrect. that's more about an UNEDUCATED public since > people still don't realize that apple is using lithium ion batteries So are Motorola, LG, Samsung and Blackberry, to name a few. What's your point? > so the need to replace them on the fly isn't necessary like it was > 5-10 years ago. You won't understand the importance of this need, so I won't try to explain it > Apple is just ahead of the public, They are ahead of the public by using very common battery technology? How do you figure? > and of course your > "uneducated" comment continues to show this ignorance. Actually, if I look for ignorant, uneducated comments, yours will do just fine. > if you want more battery power, just take it! there are PLENTY of > battery extenders for the iPhone, just get one and be done with it. Or gee, maybe I'd want to just swap out the battery with a fully charged one, like I can with just about every other phone on the market. Unlike you fanbois who readily push these "battery extenders," most of us don't find the need to replicate the Bat Utility Belt. >> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery >> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://fastmac.com/iv.php Your recommendations are good ones. However, your statement about the batteries being lithium ion is unrelated to the question at hand and has nothing to do with whether users want a user-replaceable battery or not. >> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone >> sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >and outlet, a pc, or charger of any sort and just want to carry a spare >battery on your camping trip or whatever, geese, what kind of moron are you >>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G >>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> and just want to carry a spare battery on your camping trip or >> whatever, geese, what kind of moron are you There does seem to be that mentality RBM, I agree. As I said in another post, some of these guys are willing to adapt their world to the device instead of expecting it to adapt to theirs. any of those recommendation were silly, impractical, and immature. It seems a little incongruous to me that some of them feel it's OK to have this little, portable device, and EXPECT and ACCEPT that they'll be tethered to the wall or a power pack that's larger than the phone itself. And they think that's a solution for someone who bought a minitaure device- that cables, power-packs, and wall sockets have to come along with it! Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often expensive and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period. >>>>This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G >>>>iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have > been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period. Gotta remember, they are first and foremost fanbois... > Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often expensive > and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize what could have > been an easy solution: make the battery pack user-changeable. Period. what are you trying to do Carl? it seems like with every valid solution you balk and want to somehow not carry an extra battery for the iphone, but will carry an extra one for the other types of smartphones. i think you'll be shocked at how long the battery lasts in the iphone, it will be plenty for a flight to mexico... just make sure bluetooth, 3G, wifi is off and you'll have no problem. if you don't believe me, get a little $4 battery pack, get some lithium AA batteries and you'll be fine for the flight back as well. >> Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often >> expensive and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > if you don't believe me, get a little $4 battery pack, get some > lithium AA batteries and you'll be fine for the flight back as well. I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying an extra battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail carrying an extra battery since that's not possible with the iPhone. An extra battery for my BB (or for my last Motorola) is about 3 sq in and weighs a fraction of an ounce. It's not a box that's the same height, width, and greater in thickness than the phone itself. And it doesn't require an external hook up along with its related cable. What a cumbersome arrangement for a small, portable device. We used to call these types of alternatives "patchwork" solutions in the old days. Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow for a user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid issue. Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of defending this fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should be helping to apply pressue on Apple to correct this in future versions. If you've followed my posts, you'd see that I'm attracted to the iPhone and may very well get one. I'm neither a "fanboy" nor a detractor. But these questions have come up here from time to time and I am often surprised at how some are so willing to overlook deficiencies in the iPhone that were "corrected" in other products long ago, and so defensive of the product in an emotional way that belies that it's just an object. What was that psychological condition that the TV show Boston Legal created for one of its characters where she fell in love with various household appliances? Objectophilia? Be careful or we'll soon be finding "Objectophilia" actually defined in the next edition of DSM (the psychiatrist's manual of psychiatric disorders). > Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow for a > user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid issue. > Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of defending this > fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should be helping to apply > pressue on Apple to correct this in future versions. no, that would weaken the physical structure of the phone and make it much less reliable. removable batteries really aren't needed in today's world, it's just the public's mindset of living in the 80's when you DID need to have extra batteries that is in error. >> Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow >> for a user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > today's world, it's just the public's mindset of living in the 80's > when you DID need to have extra batteries that is in error. After everything that's been said here, that's your position? You're not one of those guys who, after someone finishes speaking, makes them feel like you weren't listening to anything they said, are you? The advantage for you here is that you had the chance to go back and re-read everything, but you blew the opportunity to even pretend to be a good listener. All of my phones had replaceable batteries, including my current BB Curve. None of them were "structurally weak" or "unreliable". I'll beg to differ, replaceable batteries are still needed in today's world. I hate to go around full circle and repeat what's been said here a few times, but it depends on your personal usage need. > All of my phones had replaceable batteries, including my current BB Curve. > None of them were "structurally weak" or "unreliable". I'll beg to differ, > replaceable batteries are still needed in today's world. I hate to go around > full circle and repeat what's been said here a few times, but it depends on > your personal usage need. but none of them are as study as the iphone, you'll see. the iphone battery lasts a looooong time, longer than any other smartphone, you'll see. >I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying an extra >battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail carrying an extra [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >portable device. We used to call these types of alternatives "patchwork" >solutions in the old days. While I can't disagree, let me offer the flipside. I carry an AT&T TILT, external GPS (for use with my laptop), a laptop, a Treo 680 (well, I'm selling it), plus a couple other goodies. For me, an external battery solution makes sense for a couple reasons: 1) I can use it with all of my devices. 2) I can charge it. #2 is the killer, when I was carrying a spare Treo 680 battery, it always worked great until the first time I used it, then I'd never manage to get it recharged unless I carried a dedicated charger with me at all times. With the external battery, I carry one USB power source, the external battery, and one power cable for each device along with the device. This allows me to charge both the external battery as well as the device when I have wall power. The other thing to remember is that an external battery is bigger for a reason: The little APC unit I carry has several times the battery capacity of the iPhone's internal battery. Even if the iPhone's battery was easily swappable in the field, I'd still have to carry several of them to equal the power of one external unit. Each to their own I suppose -- I don't even own an iPhone at this point, so I have no personal bias, but I can tell you that for my own devices, I've stopped buying spare batteries and moved to the external units. >> I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying >> an extra battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > devices, I've stopped buying spare batteries and moved to the > external units. In another one of my posts you'll read that I own and use an iGo (a portable recharging system which uses different tips for different devices). So I'm not opposed to external power/charging devices. But I like to stow that in my suitcase and use it at my destinations for keeping things charged in my hotel room or apartment. Not when I'm on the go. For that I'd prefer a replacement battery. One of the guys showed me an external AA battery power extender. I thought I could live with that for those rare "emergency" moments. I get where you're coming from and at this point I'm certainly feeling like I've beaten the dead horse. For those of you still reading, I still think the iPhone is a very appealing device, and despite what I see as its drawbacks, I probably will eventually own one. > No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery > user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide > to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of > using it for the reasons mentioned above. I think I've found a solution! http://www.earthtechproducts.com/p2649.html Should keep a FruitFone running for days, especially if you leave it in the sun! It may be the ONLY solution.....(c; >> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery >> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It may be the ONLY solution.....(c; So the new Apple iPhone, coupled with one of these, is reminiscent of the original "bag phones" (of which I had one) of the early '90's, but minus the 3 watts of transmit power. So, are we then actually moving backwards in technology??? :-) >>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery >>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > minus the 3 watts of transmit power. So, are we then actually moving > backwards in technology??? :-) Looks that way if you wanna talk and play all day or on a trip...(c; I had several bagphones....worked great! I stood in the eye of Hurricane Hugo in 1989 talking to someone in Ohio on my Motorola bagphone describing how beautiful the stars were...mostly because all the trees that USED to be in the way, were now somewhere else and someone else's trees were laying on the street from miles away. ......then the other side of the storm tried to move the house I was a refugee in back the other way the 6" it had already moved by the front side of the storm.....in the pitch black dark, the power system of SC having been destroyed.... > No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery > user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide to ge Crazy talk. I, like most, have not owned a spare battery for any phone I've had in the past several years (since I switched from dual-mode D- AMPS to GSM, in fact). >> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery >> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've had in the past several years (since I switched from dual-mode D- > AMPS to GSM, in fact). It would be crazy talk if we were comparing appes to apples (pun intended). But we're not. And, yes, with all my past PHONES I found a spare battery a waste of time and money too. But the iPhone is not inherently just a phone. Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss anything). Oh yeah, a PDA of sorts too. Five-in-one. And we're expecting it to last all day on one battery. It will. If you don't use it. Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take, and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently important to you at the end of that day. > Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take, > and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through > that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently > important to you at the end of that day. s/imminently/eminently I think. But anyway: Maybe I am such a stimulating person that I energize the electronics around me, or maybe the 3G just sucks - I don't know - but I do know that the 1st gen iPhone battery meets all my needs. I don't use video at all, and I strongly discourage people from calling me in voice mode; I primarily use SMS and email, plus audio playback. I do a lot of email (mostly wifi) and SMS during the day. On a "bad day" where I have been listening to the iPod for a significant percentage of the day while working, without power, I usually get the 20% battery warning on my drive home, but of course I have a car adapter to recharge it. I don't spend entire days traveling on airplanes with no source of external power - and if I did, I would not find it onerous to carry a couple of AA cells in a battery extender. I don't know the reasons why Apple chose to make the battery nonremovable in all these appliances - of course we all suspect "sleek" beat "replaceable" but nobody will ever know for sure. But it doesn't make the device a non-starter for my lifestyle - and clearly for many others it's the same story. I bought the iPhone because I already carried a BlackBerry 7290 and 60GB iPod, and I was considering purchase of a N800. The iPhone means one device to carry, one device to remember to charge, and it's $30/mo cheaper to run than a Blackberry with unlimited data. And a much more powerful web browser, which is important to me. >> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might >> take, and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Blackberry with unlimited data. And a much more powerful web browser, > which is important to me. I actualy checked a dictionary for "imminently" vs. "eminently" before I posted. Either would have worked, but "imminently" was closer to what I was trying to say. Check it yourself for the differences. My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB card I believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it as well as all the pictures I want to carry. You're incorrect about the unlimited data fees of the BB being more expensive, perhaps depending upon the carrier you're using. I pay $30/mo above my regular phone usage fees for unlimited data with Verizon, my total bill being no more than AT&T's iPhone fees. You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say that the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional google search to price compare or resolve an argument needing a fact, reading the NY Times while killing time, searching for an address or phone number of a restaurant, etc.) But the iPhone has that unexplainable, intangible appeal... ;-) At 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 -0400 Carl wrote: > You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say that > the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional > google search to price compare or resolve an argument needing a fact, > reading the NY Times while killing time, searching for an address or phone > number of a restaurant, etc.) Have you tried Opera Mini? (Go to mini.opera.com from your BB.) It's not quite as good as the iPhone browser/UI, of course, (no pinching/sweezing) but renders most of the same pages and has zoom/pan. I use it as a backup for my WinMo phone's included browser for sites it can't render or renders poorly. It gives a decent "desktop" experience. > But the iPhone has that unexplainable, intangible appeal... ;-) It certainly does. They made a very nice product that gets most of it right, then dropped the ball completely with the rest... >> You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say > that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > It certainly does. They made a very nice product that gets most of > it right, then dropped the ball completely with the rest... Yes, I have Opera Mini on my Curve and had it on my Pearl. The truth is, while I think it's extraordinarily clever, it's not my go-to browser on those phones. It introduces other problems while appearing to fix only the "look" of browsing on the BB's. In the end, I find the built in BB browser to be practical, faster, and clearer; ie. it gets the job done. I agree with your last paragraph. Apple has made an outstanding product, but with just a couple of tweaks it could have been truly exceptionally outstanding. > Yes, I have Opera Mini on my Curve and had it on my Pearl. The truth is, > while I think it's extraordinarily clever, it's not my go-to browser on > those phones. It introduces other problems while appearing to fix only the > "look" of browsing on the BB's. In the end, I find the built in BB browser > to be practical, faster, and clearer; ie. it gets the job done. Agreed, with respect to my WinMo phone as well- Mini makes a nice backup, however, for those pages that the built-in browser either mangles beyond recognition, or refuses to display a "real" page instead of it's mobile-formatted substitute. > My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB card I > believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it as well as all I like the iPod interface, though - and we have content from the iTMS. I mostly listen to '50s and earlier radio programming from www.archive.org though. > You're incorrect about the unlimited data fees of the BB being more > expensive, perhaps depending upon the carrier you're using. I pay $30/mo $49.95/mo for unlimited BB data on AT&T, or at least that's what I was paying a year ago. That's in addition to voice and SMS package plans. Less with my employer discount. Currently I pay ~$150/mo for two iPhones and two regular phones on a shared minutes plan. > You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say that > the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional It's probably better now than it was on the 7290, but I found the 7290's browser very limited and frustrating to use. That's also partly because websites would detect it and redirect me to a WAP-like mobile version of their content. >> My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB >> card I believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > paying a year ago. That's in addition to voice and SMS package plans. > Less with my employer discount. Unlimited data on Verizon was $45/mo until about 3 months ago when they decided to be more reasonable for non-business users and offered a $30/mo plan which I switched to only due to the astuteness of a knowledgable Verizon rep. Turned out he was right. Many things change in a year though I can't speak for AT&T on this. > Currently I pay ~$150/mo for two iPhones and two regular phones on a > shared minutes plan. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > because websites would detect it and redirect me to a WAP-like mobile > version of their content. While I don't mind the web browser included on the BB and find it practical, some websites do detect it and switch you to the mobile version, but not all. I do believe you would find it greatly improved over the older 7290 though. I sometime use a program called Opera Mini which simulates a full-content browser on the BB. It looks pretty, but reduces the content down to unreadle size (I guess because th device's screen is so small). You then have to zoom in to sections of the content, and, while looking more "real", I find that to be more distracting than using the BB browser with its reduced content. I imagine the iPhone is better at this because the screen is much bigger. > Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an > internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss anything). > Oh yeah, a PDA of sorts too. Five-in-one. And we're expecting it to last all > day on one battery. It will. If you don't use it. no, no Carl... apple provided for all of those uses with an appropriate sized battery, they wouldn't have built it unless they knew a user would be satisfied. > Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take, > and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through > that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently > important to you at the end of that day. it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine. >> Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an >> internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine. Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer. :) Battery has a hard time lasting one day. I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion. Contacts are slow to appear. Typing can't keep up with input. Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update. Glad I don't own this POS... > > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you > > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine. > > Or just turn off the iPhone and it will last much longer. :) > > Battery has a hard time lasting one day. not the iphone battery, it lasts a bout a week with general use... 2, 3 days with hard use > I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion. > Contacts are slow to appear. > Typing can't keep up with input. liar! 2.0 runs the same speed as 1.0. it's fast... > Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update. nope... > Glad I don't own this POS... and the iphone doesn't deserve liars >> > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you >> > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not the iphone battery, it lasts a bout a week with general use... 2, 3 > days with hard use Total Bull and you know it. >> I've seen major slowdown with the 2.0 update. Menu's are in slow motion. >> Contacts are slow to appear. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update. Yeah I make this up. Google it. I played with my friends today after he updated it. It's much slower. But all the other's on google are wrong becuase you say it's not. > nope... > >> Glad I don't own this POS... > > and the iphone doesn't deserve liars It should. They need all the help they can get. > >> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update. > > Yeah I make this up. Google it. I played with my friends today after he > updated it. It's much slower. > But all the other's on google are wrong becuase you say it's not. then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0, and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed. >> >> Google slowdown after 2.0 firmware update. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0, > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed. Been there, done that. Still slow. Admit it. Can you say POS ? > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0, > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed. Not true. The feel of the device is significantly different under 2.0. Auto-replaced text sometimes appears magically before the popup that's supposed to let you decide if you want your word to be "corrected". And from time to time the device will get into a "mood" where you're typing and each key takes a second or more to pop up after you tap the button. > > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0, > > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > typing and each key takes a second or more to pop up after you tap the > button. something else is a miss, mine and plenty of others are working at the same speed as 1.0... so reinstall 2.0... their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if everything is installed correctly. >> > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0, >> > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if > everything is installed correctly. Then tell us why apple knows of this slow down and is looking into it ? You don't know squat. > their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if > everything is installed correctly. The "reformat and reinstall" school of thought really doesn't cut it. I love my iPhone, but frankly - you're full of it if you're rabbiting on about a fairly widely-reported issue and claiming it's a non-issue. I suspect that it's something to do with the "persistent IP connection" Apple provides to keep alive apps like AIM that would like to run in the background but can't. I never see the problem when I'm on WiFi; I think that when I'm on EDGE, sometimes the connection can't be established/reopened and the thread that's listening to that connection starts to chew up a lot of CPU time for some reason. I have no use for push data and would like to permanently and totally disable this feature, especially if it really is the cause of my slowdown. >> > it will work fine for your intended trip, it lasts far longer than you >> > might think. again turn off 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and you'll be fine. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >liar! 2.0 runs the same speed as 1.0. it's fast... I haven't played with the iPhone first generation enough to know, but on my iPod Touch, 2.0 is noticeably slower at some things, especially scrolling through ~170 contacts. However, the browser bugs seem to have been fixed, so that's nice. I also picked up an iPhone 3G today, it's about the same as the iPod Touch in 2.0 mode. *shrugs* Very much usable, but still, different. > Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take, > and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through > that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently > important to you at the end of that day. My phone battery last all day on a plane. That is because I turn the phone off since calls are not allowed.... On a plane I listen to my iPod and sometime watch a movie on the iPod. Never even came close to running out of battery power. Longest flight was 5 hours. If I had an iPhone it would be in airplane mode and I would guess it would have similar battery life to the iPod. On trains where calls are allowed I often run down the battery on my cell phone. But I don't carry a spare battery. I plug my charger into the outlet Amtrak kindly provides. I would do the same with an iPhone. SignatureCharles >> Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might >> take, and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > cell phone. But I don't carry a spare battery. I plug my charger into > the outlet Amtrak kindly provides. I would do the same with an iPhone. Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal point of view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never take an air flight longer than 5 hours and also ride the Amtrak train. Charles, please take your specific interest group in that corner over there. > Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal point of > view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never take an air flight > longer than 5 hours and also ride the Amtrak train. Charles, please take > your specific interest group in that corner over there. To be fair, however, long plane flights, IMO, are a special case, and not a reason to reject a particular phone. It's an unusually lengthy time without the ability to charge, coupled with longer than average use of portable electronics since you've got nothing else to do! I don't carry an external battery pack around everyday, but I carry two or three (including a homemade 4AA charger I cobbled together with parts from Radio Shack and change the output plug whenever I get a new PDA!) The reason for the multiples is when traveling with family, keeping two smartphones, two Zunes and my old Dell PDA (now acting as a media player) powered on long flights. Sure a replaceable battery on the iPhone would be welcome, but if the ONLY time it'd be a problem for you is a long flight, and would otherwise get you through a "normal" day, I wouldn't eliminate it from contention on that alone. An external/emergency charger isn't THAT much of a burden in your carry-on bag. (Carrying it around in your back pocket for a daily 4:30 PM refresh would be, however!) >> Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal >> point of view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > THAT much of a burden in your carry-on bag. (Carrying it around in > your back pocket for a daily 4:30 PM refresh would be, however!) Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that they felt that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a mistake. Now that is an arguable position imo. But that statement led to the overzealous defenders of Apple offering a pot pourei (sp?) of alternative solutions, none of which, again imho, truly satisfy the desire for a simple replaceable battery, and which appear instead as rationalizations. Etc. and so on, ad nauseum. Anyway, I love the iPhone concept, know within myself that I am gearing up toward getting one, and that if Verizon had gotten them, I would have been among the first, no question about it. Being on a Family Share Plan with Verizon, with three phones on the plan, is partly what's keeping me from making the switch, besides my doubts that AT&T is as good a phone service in my area. I'll bide a little time and probably break down after the hype dies down a little. I also want to make sure that Apple doesn't pull another "discontinue the 8GB model" or "lower the price" routine before I jump in. > Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that they > felt that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a mistake. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > simple replaceable battery, and which appear instead as rationalizations. > Etc. and so on, ad nauseum. True, but a practical matter, it really doesn't matter if they are rationalizations- Oxford, et al, might truly believe that the non-replaceable battery makes the iPhone "sturdier" or that Apple deemed it adequate for 5,237 years of normal operation between recharges, but in any case, that's the battery it's stuck with! Given that, the practical answer is to invest in the least offensive (to you) battery extender/eliminator if you're determined to buy an iPhone. Sure, in a perfect world, the battery would be swappable, but in reality, carrying a small eliminator is hardly more work, and only a bit more akward, than carrying a spare battery. With luck you wouldn't need it often anyway. I never use mine unless traveling, since between home, work and car, I generally have a charger handy if my PPC phone needs a quick top-up during the day. > Anyway, I love the iPhone concept, know within myself that I am gearing up > toward getting one, and that if Verizon had gotten them, I would have been [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sure that Apple doesn't pull another "discontinue the 8GB model" or "lower > the price" routine before I jump in. To be fair to AT&T, their online street-level coverage maps are pretty darn accurate. Another thing you can try- particulary before flipping an entire family to a new service, is to buy an el-cheapo AT&T prepaid phone from Target or Walmart and carry it around with you for a few weeks ensuring it has coverage everywhere you need it. (You can even forward all of your current phone's calls to the prepaid and carry that as a primary phone.) And, yes, I'm aware new customers get a 14-30 day trial with a new service, but especially with a family plan it's a heck of a hassle to port everyone over to a new service and then port back with your tail between your legs to you old carrier if it doesn't work out. You also might lose whatever "loyalty credit" (literal and/or figurative) your prior tenure built-up with your old carrier. Maybe it makes no difference, but when I'm "negotiating" with T-Mobile over a customer service issue, I feel I have far more leverage as a seven-year customer out-of-contract, than a new customer in one. For those reasons, dropping $40-50 on a prepaid phone and some airtime is a preferable trial to switching and taking advantage of the grace period (which most carriers prorate monthly fees on anyway, so it's not like the trial would be "free" anyway.) I wouldn't let the anti-AT&T posts here give you a negative impression- AT&T is a good service. I'd say Verizon still holds a SLIGHT edge, but it's not as great as some seem to think (I'm talking to you Steven Scharf!) ;-) and that edge certainly has narrowed since most analog roaming has been eliminated. Remember- every carrier doesn't work somewhere! If you're really hankering for an iPhone, I wouldn't let the fact that it's exclusive to AT&T deter you, unless by some dumb luck you live or work in an AT&T dead spot . >> Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that >> they felt that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > . Great information and a solid perspective. Thanks. I wasn't thinking of moving the whole family though, just myself. They like it where they are and neither use data services. I believe the two of them can stay on the Family Share Plan and they can reduce the shared minutes to reduce the costs. That's a very small set of phones, not "all 3G phones": Palm Treo 750, Palm Centro, Motorola Q9 Global, Samsung Ace, Pantech Duo, AT&T Tilt, LG EnV, HTC Touch Dual, Samsung Instinct, iPhone 3G. I have two 3G phones which have much longer battery lives than any of these. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone > sucks because of its little built in battery. No, that aspect of it's design sucks because of the little NON-SWAPPABLE battery. You seem awfully chipper pointing to a chart from an article titled: "3G iPhone's Mediocre Battery Life Still Beats Rivals..." http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/ (Of course, you only linked to the chart - not to the less-than-glowing article that spawned it. Hmmm....) > Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best > battery life of all 3G phones! No, it had the best battery life of the TEN smartphones PC World tested and put in the chart. No Nokia phone is listed, 3G "dumphones" like the Moto Razrs aren't listed, and I don't see any Blackberries. My wife's work- issued Blackberry runs so damn long compared to our WinMo phones, I've always suspected RIM has mastered Cold Fusion and just never told anyone... > It even beats Sprint's Instinct which > is a less power hungry network for voice calls.! > > Ha HA Boo Hah By about five minutes. Very impressive. > Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure... Oh, let's fix that link for you, 4phun: http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/ So the iPhone's battery life sucks a little less than the other phones tested. Wheee... PC World said of that stellar performance: "the 3G iPhone beat out the rest of the current 3G smart-phone pack, most of which fell shy of the 5-hour mark that's the cutoff between a word score of Fair and one of Poor in our performance ratings." Wow. The iPhone's battery life is "fair" instead of "poor." I wonder if Apple will add that to the brochure? My AT&T Tilt's battery life (coming in nearly an hour shorter than the iPhone's on that chart) is absolutely terrible. (Or should I say 'poor'?) I REALLY feel for the owners of the five phones on the chart that the Tilt beat. Hopefully those phones come with an external batery pack- maybe something along the lines of a backpack with a 12V deep-cycle marine battery in it! ;-) Looking at the chart you linked, I should be thrilled with the Tilt's battery life- it's 80+% of the iPhone's! If that's the case, the iPhone would get maybe 15 hours of life from my usage pattern compared to the 12 my Tilt gets. Wheeee... PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running at the end of a long and busy day." >> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone >> sucks because of its little built in battery. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > terms of battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops > running at the end of a long and busy day." And it's this last paragraph that is at the heart of this entire thread: there is some point, for some users, that the iPhone will stop running, most probably at some inconvenient time and place. And there's very little they can do about it, short of carrying around another box, larger than the phone itself, which advocates call "battery extenders". Someone made a reference earlier to the Bat Belt. It appears that's where this new technology is headed. > PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that > they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of > battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running at the Hmm. If you turn off 3G do you get exactly the same battery life as in the 1st gen iPhone? In article <c1732f29-dd52-467d-8c13-e5e6130d7b1b@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, > > PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is that > > they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in terms of > > battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops running at the > > Hmm. If you turn off 3G do you get exactly the same battery life as in > the 1st gen iPhone? according to apple's specs, the 3g iphone has a little better battery life than the original when it's in 2g mode. |
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