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Scott in SoCal - 30 Jul 2008 05:24 GMT
My AT&T cell phone was completely out of commission for about 45
minutes after the earthquake this morning. However, my co-worker, who
has a Verizon Wireless phone, was happily yakking with his wife.

God DAMN but that pisses me off!!!
Larry - 30 Jul 2008 05:30 GMT
> My AT&T cell phone was completely out of commission for about 45
> minutes after the earthquake this morning. However, my co-worker, who
> has a Verizon Wireless phone, was happily yakking with his wife.
>
> God DAMN but that pisses me off!!!

Shaking musta shook the Macbook ATT server off the little cart they keep it
on.  Sorry....(c;

t'aint fair.  Verizon's on CDMA with EVDO.
Ron - 30 Jul 2008 14:47 GMT
>My AT&T cell phone was completely out of commission for about 45
>minutes after the earthquake this morning. However, my co-worker, who
>has a Verizon Wireless phone, was happily yakking with his wife.
>
>God DAMN but that pisses me off!!!

Just a function of whose powerline got yanked by the quake. Its a crap
shoot, next time the results could just as easily be reversed.

And the BIG ONE. Its not a matter of if, its just a matter of when.
Dennis Ferguson - 30 Jul 2008 17:18 GMT
>>My AT&T cell phone was completely out of commission for about 45
>>minutes after the earthquake this morning. However, my co-worker, who
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> Just a function of whose powerline got yanked by the quake. Its a crap
> shoot, next time the results could just as easily be reversed.

They don't put backup batteries at cell sites any more?

I was in Boynton Beach, FL for hurricane Frances in 2004.  We had
T-Mobile, Sprint and AT&T phones in the house and I'm pretty sure
all of them had battery backup since the phones had service for
hours after the power went off.  Unfortunately the power was
off for 5 days, so all the phones eventually lost service
anyway.  The landline went too, I suspect because wires were
taken out somewhere since it didn't come back until several
days after the power came back on.

So we had no working phones at the house.  We were, however,
able to make the occasional call by going next door and borrowing
the neighbor's Verizon phone, which had also stopped working during
the hurricane but had service back the next day.  When we took
a ride down the freeway a couple of days later it became clear
just why that was; the Verizon cell sites had portable diesel
generators running them while everyone else's were dead all the
way to Fort Lauderdale where they still had power.

I'm not so fond of Verizon, and I'm not sure they behave that
way any more (it's bad for margins?), but in 2004 at least they
seemed serious about keeping their service up in a way that their
competitors were not.

Dennis Ferguson
Todd Allcock - 30 Jul 2008 21:27 GMT
> >>My AT&T cell phone was completely out of commission for about 45
> >>minutes after the earthquake this morning. However, my co-worker, who
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> They don't put backup batteries at cell sites any more?

There was an article about this in RCR Wireless News (a trade paper) after
the Katrina disaster.

As a general rule, Verizon uses diesel generators at EVERY SITE where
possible or allowed (some tower site owners don't allow fuel storage for
flammability reasons) and backup batteries at the rest.  AT&T, Sprint, and
T-Mobile mainly use backup batteries at most sites (but not all- they plan
for a smaller minimum "critical" number of sites to stay up during power
failures- ironic since major disasters, which overtax the system cause
power failures that reduce capacity!    
> I was in Boynton Beach, FL for hurricane Frances in 2004.  We had
> T-Mobile, Sprint and AT&T phones in the house and I'm pretty sure
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> generators running them while everyone else's were dead all the
> way to Fort Lauderdale where they still had power.

Verizon tries to store fuel for 3-5 days runtime.

> I'm not so fond of Verizon, and I'm not sure they behave that
> way any more (it's bad for margins?), but in 2004 at least they
> seemed serious about keeping their service up in a way that their
> competitors were not.

I'm also  ot a big fan of Verizon, but their disaster contingency is still
second to none.
Other cariers plans, literally, are to let the system go to hell and bring
in "COWS" (cell sites on wheels) to affected areas- that's cheaper than
backups at all sites.
Larry - 31 Jul 2008 15:09 GMT
> Other cariers plans, literally, are to let the system go to hell and
> bring in "COWS" (cell sites on wheels) to affected areas- that's
> cheaper than backups at all sites.

The solution to this problem is fairly simple.....

The FCC writes regulations for its LICENSEES, like broadcast stations,
sellphone carriers, etc.  All it has to do is stop taking bribes from the
carriers association, ignore its bribed politicians and write a reg that
says by X date all sellphone towers are REQUIRED, to keep their license and
remain on the air, to have emergency gensets and UPS for X days of
emergency operation.

That USED to be the FCC's job when the ENGINEERS, not the damned lawyers,
ran it.  ENGINEERS = GOOD.....LAWYERS = BAD.

Problem solved....next problem.  Sellular carriers aren't bankrupt...
 
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