http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090301063.html
Don Reisinger
TechCrunch.com
Wednesday, September 3, 2008; 5:00 AM
Symbian on Tuesday released its second quarter financial data. The
Nokia-owned company said that it bested last year's sales mark with
19.6 million units sold. That may seem high, but over the past six
months, 159 different Symbian OS-based mobile devices hit store
shelves, compared to just a handful from RIM and one from Apple.
The most glaring element of Symbian's release was that it only grew 5
percent over the past year. Considering mobile phone sales grew 12
percent in the second quarter, according to Gartner, and considering
Apple is selling 800,000 units each week, Symbian may be losing its
grip on the market.
But to declare the Symbian OS irrelevant is premature. It still reigns
supreme in OS market share and even with stiff competition from Apple,
RIM, and soon, Google, few companies have the ability to catch Symbian
anytime soon.
That doesn't mean it can't happen, though. Apple has already sold 6
million iPhone 3Gs in the past two months since launch and there's no
sign of it slowing down anytime soon.
In order to see exactly what would need to happen for the iPhone to
overtake Symbian in sales, I considered three scenarios: an annual
iPhone growth rate of 300 percent, 100 percent, and 50 percent. To put
that into perspective, expected iPhone 3G sales for the quarter ending
September 30 this year should be 900 percent higher than last year's
figures for first-generation iPhones, assuming Apple continues to sell
800,000 iPhone 3Gs per week through September.
Scenario 1: 300 percent sales growth
The 300 percent sales-growth scenario is our high estimate, but
considering Apple's growth is 900 percent over the past year, it still
represents a substantial deceleration. In order to derive a date for
when iPhone sales might overtake Symbian sales, I assume Symbian OS
will only grow at 5 percent each quarter, since it is a mature
technology. Then I apply the 300 percent growth rate to Apple's
previous-year sales for each quarter subsequent to Apple's latest.
Based on those calculations, the iPhone would be able to supplant
Symbian as the leader in the space by October of next year when it
sells almost 30 million iPhones compared to Symbian's 26 million.
Scenario 2: 100 percent sales growth
For the second scenario, I used a 100 percent sales-growth estimate.
Maintaining such growth would still be quite a challenge, but once
again, it may not be as outlandish as some may think. In this
estimate, I used the same growth rate for Symbian as in the first
forecast. In this case, the iPhone wouldn't supplant Symbian until the
end of September 2010, when it would sell approximately 38 million
iPhones compared to Symbian's 31 million units.
Scenario 3: 50 percent sales growth
For the last scenario, 50 percent sales growth was used as the
estimate to see when the iPhone could conceivably surpass Symbian OS.
The same growth rate was used for Symbian, but this time 50 percent
year-over-year growth was factored in for the iPhone. Under those
assumptions, the iPhone wouldn't outsell Symbian until the end of
September 2012, when it would sell 48 million iPhones in the quarter,
compared to Symbian's 46 million.
Will the iPhone eventually beat Symbian-powered phones? Nobody really
knows. It might continue to sell at a fast clip and outstrip even the
most aggressive estimates or it may slow down and match last year's
first-gen iPhone figures. But one thing is certain: the Symbian OS is
simply not selling nearly as well as the rest of the industry and the
iPhone 3G is outpacing every other smartphone on the market. Although
Apple is expected to sell at least 40 million iPhone 3Gs over the next
year, even that may be an understatement.
...
All of the above figures fail to consider that Symbian OS sales may
actually decline do to competitive pressure from more popular, easier
to use products in rapidly increasing demand.
It may be a snowball not even Larry can stop.
Larry - 04 Sep 2008 16:30 GMT
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:5f40c8ff-3a98-4f9a-a9a8-
13289f89035f@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com:
> All of the above figures fail to consider that Symbian OS sales may
> actually decline do to competitive pressure from more popular, easier
> to use products in rapidly increasing demand.
> It may be a snowball not even Larry can stop.
Hee hee....everyone at Nokia must be shaking in their mukluks. If you
look out across a sea of sellphones you can't even see the iPhoners,
even if they're waving red flags on tall poles.
Here's a headline you may have missed:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10001453-16.html
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/business/showArticle.jhtml?
articleID=209601029
Did you hear about this?
"Last month Nokia said it will purchase the remaining portion of Symbian
that it doesn't already own and make it available free of charge to
members of the Symbian foundation. Already a 48% stakeholder in Symbian,
Nokia is buying out the company's remaining shares from its telecom
partners for $410 million and placing the Symbian OS -- the world's most
widely used mobile operating system -- into the hands of the open source
movement under the royalty-free Eclipse Public License.
Though its market share in the United States is slim, Symbian is used in
about 66% of the smartphones in use today, including several leading
enterprise models from Nokia. Along with the advent of the iPhone from
Apple and its associated software development kit, the opening up of the
Symbian platform is sure to have a disruptive effect on the mobile
handset market. The move has put particular pressure on Google, which is
trying to carve out a portion of the mobile market and establish an open
platform for its applications and the ads that accompany them."
The world is coming to a FREEWARE, OPEN SOURCE Symbian operating system,
possibly merged with Google's Android. Nokia has already released it.
Now royalty-free, Nokia could care less about proprietary nonsense like
OSX and iPhones...barely a tit on the GLOBAL market, just like they are
on the computer market in the vast Windows marketplace.
Your dilusions of grandeur are amusing, however.....
Now, every developer on the planet can make Symbian apps without
spending a dime on royalties and developer kits from Apple.
Maybe they'll even port iSymbian to it, opening up the FruitFoney to the
massive freeware stockpile of apps to port to it. No hacking necessary.
If Symbian and Android merge, they will simply bury the rest, including
Linux on sellphones.
4phun - 05 Sep 2008 14:31 GMT
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR200...
>
> All of the above figures fail to consider that Symbian OS sales may
> actually decline do to competitive pressure from more popular, easier
> to use products in rapidly increasing demand.
> It may be a snowball not even Larry can stop.
Snowball is already rolling Larry....
HELSINKI (Reuters) - The world's top mobile phone maker Nokia
(NOK1V.HE: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) warned on Friday that
the soft global economy, tough competition from rivals and a weak
handset portfolio would hit its market share in the third quarter.
Nokia shares had dropped 11.3 percent to 13.93 euros by 1219 GMT,
their lowest since November 2005, dragging the DJ Stoxx Tech index
over 5 percent lower.
Larry - 05 Sep 2008 14:12 GMT
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
2b670a825713@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR200...
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> their lowest since November 2005, dragging the DJ Stoxx Tech index
> over 5 percent lower.
You'd better check out:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL
Stocks are all in the dumper yesterday. AAPL croaked right along with
the rest of them...down to $161 this morning and still falling in before
hours trading.
Better look on a Windows box. No telling what Apple is doing on a Mac
or FruitFone to make it look rosy for the fanbois.
Kurt - 06 Sep 2008 03:19 GMT
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
> 2b670a825713@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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> Better look on a Windows box. No telling what Apple is doing on a Mac
> or FruitFone to make it look rosy for the fanbois.
Ever notice how the MS home page looks much better on Safari than it
does on IE?

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Larry - 06 Sep 2008 04:38 GMT
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-307504.19193305092008
@news.giganews.com:
> Ever notice how the MS home page looks much better on Safari than it
> does on IE?
I don't use IE. I was using Firefox 3, but am now playing with the new
Google Chrome toy....(c;
Google's got a ways to go to match Firefox 3....on the PC or the tablet.
Kevin Weaver - 06 Sep 2008 06:17 GMT
>> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
>> 2b670a825713@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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> Ever notice how the MS home page looks much better on Safari than it
> does on IE?
Or how apple's website looks better on IE then Safari.
> To reply by email, remove the word "space"
Larry - 05 Sep 2008 14:51 GMT
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
2b670a825713@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> Nokia shares had dropped 11.3 percent to 13.93 euros by 1219 GMT,
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart3:symbol=aapl;range=
5d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=
0;logscale=on;source=undefined
Somebody's dumping AAPL these last 5 days. Check the chart. Peaked at
$173 and this morning down to $159. That's a lot of loss for only 5 days.
If things are so wonderfully rosy, stock prices always RISE!
4phun - 05 Sep 2008 17:55 GMT
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
> 2b670a825...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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>
> If things are so wonderfully rosy, stock prices always RISE!
Nokia is off 20% in the last 24 hours.
______________________________________________
Nokia: we're losing market share due to iPhone 3G
electronista.com — Nokia today warned that it would lose market share
in the summer due to "aggressive pricing" from certain competitors.
The company dances around the names but makes it clear that Apple's
$199 iPhone 3G is taking away customers that were once considered
safe.
http://digg.com/apple/Nokia_we_re_losing_market_share_due_to_iPhone_3G
and for the one who is challenged by DIGG links ...
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/09/05/nokia.lowers.share.outlook/
George Kerby - 06 Sep 2008 01:02 GMT
On 9/5/08 8:51 AM, in article Xns9B10645AE7829noonehomecom@208.49.80.253,
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:94a78078-586d-4e6d-83ac-
> 2b670a825713@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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>
> If things are so wonderfully rosy, stock prices always RISE!
Larry, your ignorance of the Market is showing. Best you let someone handle
your investments who knows what they are doing. A stock like Apple has many
forces moving it that have absolutely nothing to do with Fundamentals.
David Moyer - 06 Sep 2008 03:00 GMT
> http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart3:symbol=aapl;range=
> 5d;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=
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>
> If things are so wonderfully rosy, stock prices always RISE!
but larry that was mostly do to the jobs number, not anything related to
apple.
the whole problem is, nokia is in a world of hurt since there is no
technical way they can compete against the iphone, and sea of smaller
and cheaper models to follow. ever since apple released the 3G iphone,
nokia has fallen off a cliff.
http://snipurl.com/3nifp [finance_yahoo_com]