On 9/24/08 7:20 AM, in article Xns9B235A3B05DEFnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253,

Get out yer tinfoil hat, Larro. It's a conspiracy!!!!

BTW: The previous post about Canon. You should see the horror stories over
at 'rec.photo.digital' about Canon care. And don't get me wrong: I shoot
Canon professionally (EOS-1DsMarkIII and the 40D for backup) and think that
Nikon isn't even close

    Well, yes, this could be a case of collusion. And though it's
more airtight conspiratorially than I think either company is capable
of, there's another problem: It's pretty much the dictionary
definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. They've got a
bunch of G3 phones in their line up iirc. So you're saying they're
going to go to the market with news that they can't support maybe a
half dozen phones and risk a precipitous decline in subscribership
rather than cutting their loss by forcing one unit to fall on its
sword? I don't think so.

    Read it again, he's giving a mea culpa for screwing up 3G
deployment. Nothing to do specifically with the iPhone.

    DGI

Nice deflection but transparent as hell.  "That guy" is reporting
exactly what the carriers with iPhones say in OTHER COUNTRIES on OTHER
SYSTEMS.  The chances of ALL 3G systems iPhone operates on being wrong
is damned near zero, especially when hundreds of other models from other
manufacturers are working just fine.  Take the rosy Apple glasses off
and look.  When the iPhone came on the air on their systems, 3G tanked
from all iPhones making noises from retries and poor connectivity.

The 3G chipset is the problem.  The ONLY cure is to correct the problem
with a REPLACEMENT chipset that works.  The ONLY way that can be done is
to put out a CORRECTED product that is ready for consumers.  (By the
way, this IS covered by Magnusson-Moss in the USA.  It's called "Implied
Warranty of Fitness for a Particular Purpose", in this case it's
supposed to be a working sellphone.  Every product with a written
warranty, including I found out Yamaha Motors who made my defective
jetski and Apple Computer who made your defective iPhone IS COVERED by
this warranty right of the consumer....even if they disclaim it, which
FEDERAL LAW says they cannot.

Here.  Read the FTC (enforcement department for the act) manual to the
Business Community:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.shtm

Every consumer needs to read this manual.  You don't have to accept
whatever the bastards throw at you and whatever excuse they have for the
defective products.  Every WalMart has a special department called
"Customer Service" to handle these claims.  WalMart cheerfully refunds
your money on the cheap toaster that won't make toast.  WalMart doesn't
do this because they're your friend.  WalMart is doing this because they
MUST under FEDERAL LAW.  Apple Computer isn't listed as having an
exception on file with FTC for any product it sells.  iPhone, iPod, Mac,
Touch are all covered.

Now according to the law, which you can read here:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode15/usc_sup_01_15_10_
50.html

Now, click on section 2304 to open it and read (a)(4):

"(4) if the product (or a component part thereof) contains a defect or
malfunction after a reasonable number of attempts by the warrantor to
remedy defects or malfunctions in such product, such warrantor must
permit the consumer to elect either a refund for, or replacement without
charge of, such product or part (as the case may be). The Commission may
by rule specify for purposes of this paragraph, what constitutes a
reasonable number of attempts to remedy particular kinds of defects or
malfunctions under different circumstances. If the warrantor replaces a
component part of a consumer product, such replacement shall include
installing the part in the product without charge."

Federal courts, state courts, local courts have all agreed they they
have 30 days and/or 3 attempts to fix whatever is wrong with the
product.  (Notice after that it says the warrantor, Apple, must permit
the CONSUMER, not Apple, to elect whether to get a FULL REFUND or
REPLACEMENT WITHOUT CHARGE)  It's not up to THEM to offer you anything.  
It's up to YOU to decide whether to return the defective product and get
your money back...or...get a REPLACEMENT for the defective product.

This has nothing to do with any bullshit company policy, either, that
you have to return it in 3 days or 30 days or all that smoke screen.  
READ the manual.  IMPLIED WARRANTIES ARE IN FORCE FOR THE DURATION OF
THE WRITTEN WARRANTY....sometimes beyond!

You'll also notice it DOESN'T say they have a choice to try to boost you
into trading in your defective Chevy for a DIFFERENT, HIGHER PRICED
model!  They do NOT!  There are two choices in the law....REFUND of
every penny you paid for it.....REPLACEMENT with a NEW, not a used piece
of sh.t some kid dropped but still works except for the scratches and
cracks in the case like the DEALER tries to boost on you to save
profits.

None of the words in that paragraph lend to corporation interpretation.  
They are VERY clear and FTC follows them TO THE LETTER.

If it's defective, Apple owes it to every one of you to make that choice
for yourself....without threats, interventions, boosting or other
pressure bullshit.  You have the right to a DEFECT FREE product.

AT&T is the DEALER for this product, unless you bought it from Apple.  
AT&T IS RESPONSIBLE TO YOU, just as much as the manufacturer.  Read the
manual!  THE SELLER is the party responsible for compliance, whether he
likes it or not.....and he doesn't.  "We just sell it, we're not
responsible for it working."  That's pure BULLSHIT!  They ARE
responsible.

If you go to ftc.gov you can find their phone number.  Call them and ask
them about the act and what it will do for you.  They were very nice
when I called to enquire.  FTC is your FRIEND in this matter.  Treat
them so.  It's their job to enforce the act and its provisions.  They
wrote the manual the seller and manufacturer MUST FOLLOW BY LAW.