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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / February 2010Macmillan leaves Amazon (bye,bye Kindle)
It looks like not only is the iPad going to rule the netbook market, it is also going to render the Kindle an expensive & useless toy. ------------------------ Publishing giant Macmillan said late Saturday that Amazon.com has pulled its e-book titles from being sold for the Kindle in a price war apparently sparked by Apple Inc.'s new iPad. Macmillan, a unit of Germany's Verlagsgruppe Georg von Holtzbrinck GmbH, made the announcement in an advertisement on publishing industry Web site PublishersMarketplace.com. Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) announced Wednesday that Macmillan was among a group of publishers that would sell their titles on the iBook site set up for the iPad. Apple is allowing publishers to charge more than the $9.99 that Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) has set for titles sold for the Kindle, long a point of dispute with publishers. Under the Apple arrangement, publishers set their own e-book prices, with Apple taking 30 percent of the revenue. This is expected to raise many e-book titles to $12.99 and $14.99. Instead of black and white, the iPad allows publishers to add multimedia and color to the offerings, as well. Macmillan said Amazon pulled its titles for sale through all but third parties after CEO John Sargent visited Seattle on Thursday to discuss "new terms of sales for e-books." http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/01/25/daily110.html > It looks like not only is the iPad going to rule the netbook market, it > is also going to render the Kindle an expensive & useless toy. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/01/25/daily110.html I think they'll be back on the Kindle. If the publishers think that a higher price will get their ebooks sold, I think they are in for a rude awakening. Just like the music producers, they are floundering around trying to figure out how to charge more when their costs are much less. > I think they'll be back on the Kindle. If the publishers think that a > higher price will get their ebooks sold, I think they are in for a rude > awakening. > > Just like the music producers, they are floundering around trying to > figure out how to charge more when their costs are much less. I would have to agree. Higher prices and fewer distributors is not a formula for success. > In article > <lloydparsons-F6A8CC.10410631012010@port80.individual.net>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I would have to agree. Higher prices and fewer distributors is not > a formula for success. The latter was true in the brick-and-mortar world. Frankly, the only distributor most publishers of e-media needs is iTunes for music and eventually iBooks for the iPad. Enough people buy from them that publishers don't have to put a lot of work into developing a distribution network any more. I know self-published musicians who only sell through iTunes, they no longer bother to even have CDs made. From an environmental perspective, this may not be all that bad. There's a lot less deforestation needed if the sales of printed books are cut in half or more as has happened with music. Personally, though, $9.99 for an e-book is already too high.  Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > I think they'll be back on the Kindle. If the publishers think that a > higher price will get their ebooks sold, I think they are in for a rude > awakening. You've got the wrong idea. Macmillan is trying to protect its hard-copy book sales. SignatureD.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. (Bertrand Russell) > > I think they'll be back on the Kindle. If the publishers think that a > > higher price will get their ebooks sold, I think they are in for a rude > > awakening. > > You've got the wrong idea. Macmillan is trying to protect its hard-copy > book sales. Key word being 'trying' as in the music producers and video makers. The hand writing is on the wall, the only thing missing is when the shift is complete. Books in print will be a luxury item in some, not too distant, future. > In article <dfmanno-A39AEE.21103231012...@news.albasani.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Books in print will be a luxury item in some, not too distant, future. Amazon just caved. They agreed to raise the Kindle book prices to $15 and match the deal Apple was giving. You have got to love it when you can force your competition to raise prices or they loose a valued content provider. In article <5f4fac6b-1906-4747-afee-51242af6286c@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, No Apples at Verizon - Verizon uses obsolete tech - not global <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote: > > In article <dfmanno-A39AEE.21103231012...@news.albasani.net>, > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > can force your competition to raise prices or they loose a valued > content provider. Now the publishers will be rewarded with fewer book sales, quite a bit fewer I suspect. In a few months or sooner, there will be a ton of 'special' sales on the ebooks trying to get the buyers back. All predicted by my handy crystal ball! :) > > Amazon just caved. They agreed to raise the Kindle book prices to $15 > > and match the deal Apple was giving. You have got to love it when you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > All predicted by my handy crystal ball! :) I hope you're right, but just as likely, IMO, the initial sales of the iPad will temporarily cause a surge in ebook sales via iBooks much like Christmas sales of Kindles temporarily surged Amazon's ebook sales recently. This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) > This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is > tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) I expect best sellers and new books will debut at higher prices but the price will go down after a few months. The back list will have lower prices. SignatureCharles > > This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is > > tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) > > I expect best sellers and new books will debut at higher prices but the > price will go down after a few months. The back list will have lower > prices. And if you read a lot, that's fine too. I don't buy many of the newest books when they come out, usually wait until they've been around a bit and then get them. I suspect I won't see a prices increase, or at least not a significant ones, in the ebooks I usually buy. >> This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is >> tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) > > I expect best sellers and new books will debut at higher prices but the > price will go down after a few months. The back list will have lower > prices. You mean the complete opposite of how paper books are priced. > >> This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is > >> tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You mean the complete opposite of how paper books are priced. Seems so. >>> This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is >>> tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You mean the complete opposite of how paper books are priced. One of the marvels of (effectively) zero cost for inventory, production on demand and instant delivery is the pricing inversion. > This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is > tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) I think that they will eventually come to a multi-tier pricing system. When a book is released in hardback, the e-book will cost (for the sake of discussion) $15. When the trade paperback edition is released, the e-book will be $10, and when the mass-market paperback is released, the e-book will be $5. The point being that the e-book will always cost less than the least expensive paper version on the market. Of course, this could be modified by offering "extras" in the e-book, that are not available in the paper version, in order to justify a higher price for the e-book. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign >> This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is >> tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The point being that the e-book will always cost less than the least > expensive paper version on the market. Look at the prices of new best sellers. They are alway _less_ expensive than older titles. When a best seller comes out you are pretty much guaranteed that you can buy it for 45-55% of the cover price at a place like Costco. We will see the strange situation of the street price of the paper version costing less than the eBook, while the publisher claims that the eBook is cheaper because they're comparing it with the cover price of the paper version. Of course what's actually going to happen is that we will end up with rampant piracy when the books are too expensive. The DRM on Kindle has already been broken. When prices are fair, a lot fewer people engage in piracy. > Look at the prices of new best sellers. They are alway _less_ expensive > than older titles. When a best seller comes out you are pretty much > guaranteed that you can buy it for 45-55% of the cover price at a place > like Costco. What percentage of the population shops at COSTCO? I shop at COSTCO, and I rarely, if ever, see any books there that I would buy. They just do not carry the genres or authors I read. For instance, I just searched costco.com for David Weber, Eric Flint, John Ringo, and Charlaine Harris. The only hits I got were two books by Charlaine Harris, one published last October ($13.79), and one published last May ($14.99). SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign >> Look at the prices of new best sellers. They are alway _less_ expensive >> than older titles. When a best seller comes out you are pretty much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rarely, if ever, see any books there that I would buy. They just do not > carry the genres or authors I read. Costco carries mainly best-sellers, typically at 45-55% off the cover price. Macmillan is saying that they will start charging $13-15 for best selling eBooks. I don't know the percentage of the population that shops at Costco, but similar pricing on best-selling books is available at Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, and I'm sure other stores as well. Nearly everyone I know shops at Costco. They have 55 million members worldwide and each membership represents multiple people in the population. Probably around 35-40% of the U.S. population shops at Costco. > > What percentage of the population shops at COSTCO? I shop at COSTCO, > > and I rarely, if ever, see any books there that I would buy. They > > just do not carry the genres or authors I read. > > Costco carries mainly best-sellers, typically at 45-55% off the cover > price. Just about every book written by the authors I mentioned winds up on the NY Times' Best Seller List. I buy quite a lot at COSTCO, but not books. And I don't shop at Wal*Mart or Sam's Club at all. And even if I do wind up buying an iPad, I doubt that I'll buy many e-books; I prefer paper. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign Member Arizona Road Racers > > This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point is > > tenable, (and who knows; it might be.) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will be $10, and when the mass-market paperback is released, the e-book > will be $5. For the most part, that's where we are today. The best "deal" comparitively, though, has been with new releases/best sellers,where Amazon has pressured publishers to cap them at $9.99, which represents a significant savings versus a $25 or $30 hardcover. As SMS said earlier, those same hardcovers can often be had for 30% or 40% off list, so a $15 pric point isn't a significant discount for an electronic version. > The point being that the e-book will always cost less than the least > expensive paper version on the market. Of course, this could be modified > by offering "extras" in the e-book, that are not available in the paper > version, in order to justify a higher price for the e-book. True- remember when record companies used to put "bonus" songs or extended versions of hit songs on cassette versions of albums to encourage the sales of those vs. lower margin vinyl LPs? I expect "multimedia" versions of books will eventually be used to encourage "full price" ebook sales. >>> This temporary surge will convince publishers the higher price point > is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > significant savings versus a $25 or $30 hardcover. As SMS said earlier, > those same hardcovers can often be had for 30% or 40% off list, Actually Costco routinely has them for around 50% off. I used to resell books as part of another business, and even in small quantities I paid 50% of the cover price. Plus their was no risk, because I could send back unsold or damaged copies (just the cover for paperbacks) for full credit. Vicl wrote: > Amazon just caved. They agreed to raise the Kindle book prices to $15 > and match the deal Apple was giving. You have got to love it when you > can force your competition to raise prices or they loose a valued > content provider. Only a lunatic fanboi like you, Vic, would "love it" when more competition in the marketplace RAISES prices for end users! Amazon WAS doing for ebooks what Apple had done for digital music- convince publishers that low prices increases sales volume and reduces consumers' urge to pirate what they can obtain legitimately at a reasonable price. I hope Apple doesn't screw this up! > Amazon WAS doing for ebooks what Apple had done for digital music- > convince publishers that low prices increases sales volume and reduces > consumers' urge to pirate what they can obtain legitimately at a > reasonable price. At $15, piracy is going to greatly increase, sales of hard copy books will increase, and more people will borrow books from the library. When you compare eBook prices to hard copy books it's important to compare the street prices, not the MSRPs. Hard copy books are heavily discounted, usually 40-45% for best sellers at places like Costco, and even Borders sends out endless coupons for 30-40% discounts. If they can keep eBooks at 1/2 the street price of hard copy books the piracy problem would be minor. If the eBook is more than the hard copy, there's a big psychological barrier to overcome to get people to pay more. I wonder if there's a way that libraries are going to be able to loan eBooks the way they currently loan music and movies on discs, and the way they loan audio books, both on CDs and those audio players with the book already on them that you just plug your headphones into. > At $15, piracy is going to greatly increase, sales of hard copy books > will increase, and more people will borrow books from the library. I doubt that it will have those effects on hard copy sales or library loans, but putting something out electronically will increase piracy, regardless of the price. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign >> At $15, piracy is going to greatly increase, sales of hard copy books >> will increase, and more people will borrow books from the library. > > I doubt that it will have those effects on hard copy sales or library > loans, but putting something out electronically will increase piracy, > regardless of the price. Ironically, best sellers are almost alway the least expensive hard cover books to buy. Costco, Wal-Mart, Amazon, and even brick and mortar bookstores routinely sell them for less than half the cover price, and certainly for no greater than 40% off. Yet it's best sellers that McMillan will be charging the most for, up to $15, which is around the street price of a hardcover. With the hardcover you can trade it, sell it, donate it, or lend it when you're done with it. The eBook is only for one eReader. Personally I think that even $10 was pushing it. Well at least the price increase is going to rekindle (no pun intended) interest in the classics which are usually free. Also, the DRM on the Kindle has already been breached, allowing books to be converted to an open format. "http://current.com/1ot0a4c". > I wonder if there's a way that libraries are going to be able to loan > eBooks the way they currently loan music and movies on discs, and the > way they loan audio books, both on CDs and those audio players with the > book already on them that you just plug your headphones into. LIBRARIES! Finally someone mentions libraries. Get all the tangible books you want for FREE and save trees in the process. Thanks, SMS. Many libraries _already_ loan ebooks. They use readers such as OverDrive Media Console, Adobe Digital Editions, or Mobipocket Reader to control them (i.e. enforce the DRM). They work much like a regular library loan for a tangible book--you have 2 weeks (or whatever) to read the book, then it becomes in accessible. Furthermore, once you have your library card, you never have to leave home to 'pick up' the book you want. Here is an example of what this looks like from a library consortium which offers ebooks and eaudiobooks in central Ohio: <http://digitalbooks.moldi.org/1A97C863-B86B-42CA-A910-729F130D84F9/10/24 9/en/Default.htm> > > Amazon WAS doing for ebooks what Apple had done for digital music- > > convince publishers that low prices increases sales volume and reduces [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you compare eBook prices to hard copy books it's important to compare > the street prices, not the MSRPs. Hard copy books are heavily discounted, > usually 40-45% for best sellers at places like Costco, and even Borders > sends out endless coupons for 30-40% discounts. If they can keep eBooks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > way they loan audio books, both on CDs and those audio players with the > book already on them that you just plug your headphones into. They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using Adobe Digital Editions (ePub and PDF) that work on computers Sony and Nook, and Mobipocket, which work on computers, smartphones, and with a slight hack, the Kindle. . > They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital > download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using Adobe > Digital Editions (ePub and PDF) that work on computers Sony and Nook, and > Mobipocket, which work on computers, smartphones, and with a slight hack, > the Kindle. Yeah, now I recall my library doing that. The audio book downloads are rather a pain because you have to listen to them on a computer unless you want to remove the DRM and rip them to an MP3 file. The Adobe files are okay and since you can check them out and renew them whenever you want I don't see any reason to remove the DRM unless you want to read the PDF on a Kindle or other reader (and apparently people have removed the DRM to do just that). > > They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital > > download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > rather a pain because you have to listen to them on a computer unless > you want to remove the DRM and rip them to an MP3 file. No, you can transfer them to any portable that handles protected .wma- any PlaysForSure or WinMo device, like your SMT5800s. There's even an Overdrive app for touchscreen WinMos that let you download directly to the device. I've read Zunes will play them as well, but I haven't tried on mine. > The Adobe files > are okay and since you can check them out and renew them whenever you > want I don't see any reason to remove the DRM unless you want to read > the PDF on a Kindle or other reader (and apparently people have removed > the DRM to do just that). Sony readers can read Digital Editions EPub books without circumventing the DRM, ad Kindles can use the Mobipocket format files without circumventing the DRM. There's a utility floating around to extract the Kindle's Mobipocket Product ID ("PID") to input into Overdrive so the book can be read on that device. Amazon hides the Kindle's PID to try to lock you into Amazon content instead of any other source of Mobi DRM'd books. Instead of giving Kindle users access to their PID, Amazon gives each Kindle a serial number for users to register at Amazon, but internally the Kindle uses PIDs like any other Mobi reader. >>> They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital >>> download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Overdrive app for touchscreen WinMos that let you download directly to > the device. I expect that many, if not most, people that would like to play them directly on a vehicle's audio system. I transfer them to an MP3 CD (which can fit a couple of books) and in one of car vehicles the receiver takes a USB stick. > Amazon hides the Kindle's PID to try to lock you into Amazon content > instead of any other source of Mobi DRM'd books. Hmm, I wonder what Apple will do? eBooks are the perfect product for libraries and eBook users alike. No need to keep a fiction book forever. Can you imagine what something like the iPad could do to the college textbook industry? What student wouldn't love to carry an iPad instead of a collection of textbooks. > Can you imagine what something like the iPad could do to the college > textbook industry? What student wouldn't love to carry an iPad > instead of a collection of textbooks. Musicians, too. Thousands of pages of music in one small portable device. But the screen has to be bigger, A4 or 8.5 x 11. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > > Can you imagine what something like the iPad could do to the college > > textbook industry? What student wouldn't love to carry an iPad > > instead of a collection of textbooks. > > Musicians, too. Thousands of pages of music in one small portable > device. But the screen has to be bigger, A4 or 8.5 x 11. Which suggests that there is a demand for a larger [and smaller] iPad device. • A larger for musicians and other users who want A4. • A smaller for people who want it to fit into an inside blazer or other kind of jacket pocket: A5. SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe > >>> They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital > >>> download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (which can fit a couple of books) and in one of car vehicles the > receiver takes a USB stick. Why not just jack your MP3 playe in? Why burn a CD for something you'll listen to once? > > Amazon hides the Kindle's PID to try to lock you into Amazon content > > instead of any other source of Mobi DRM'd books. > > Hmm, I wonder what Apple will do? Toug question, but my money's on "sell you books through iTunes and make damn sure no other DRM system is compatible..." ;) > eBooks are the perfect product for libraries and eBook users alike. No > need to keep a fiction book forever. Agreed. And with the ability to download from home, older books will be virtually "on demand" if you do want to re-read them. > Can you imagine what something like the iPad could do to the college > textbook industry? What student wouldn't love to carry an iPad instead > of a collection of textbooks. Agreed, although personally I think the iPad is a bit too big. Lots of "wow" factor, but I'd personally rather lug something Kindle-sized around (but higher-res for textbooks). I'll wager a Kindle-sized "iPad Mini" surfaces within a few years, particularly if the iBooks store is a hit. >>>>> They already do- Overdrive, the company that administers the digital >>>>> download service for most libraries already does ebooks, both using [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Why not just jack your MP3 playe in? Why burn a CD for something you'll > listen to once? A CD costs 10 cents and means not running wires around. Especially on cars that don't have an easy way to connect an MP3 player. Those FM transmitters suck, and few cars have cassette players anymore to use a cassette adapter. > Agreed. And with the ability to download from home, older books will be > virtually "on demand" if you do want to re-read them. I thought it rather amusing that I had to put a hold on a downloadable audio book, but I guess the library has to pay for each "copy". > Agreed, although personally I think the iPad is a bit too big. Lots of > "wow" factor, but I'd personally rather lug something Kindle-sized around > (but higher-res for textbooks). I'll wager a Kindle-sized "iPad Mini" > surfaces within a few years, particularly if the iBooks store is a hit. Some people think the iPad is too small for textbooks. It looks like Amazon Kindle is doomed. "Amazon's price advantage over iBooks, also evaporated." The $9.99 Ebook Is Dead: Third Major Publisher Hachette Dumps on Amazon Amazon's ebook pricing structure has crumbled. Hachette's the third major publisher to push for the agency model, following MacMillan and HarperCollins: They'll set the ebook prices (higher, natch) and the bookseller takes a cut. The $9.99 ebook? Poof. http://gizmodo.com/5464742/the-999-ebook-is-dead-third-major-publisher-hachette- dumps-on-amazon "Amazon's dream of a flat $9.99 for ebooks has flatlined. Amazon's price advantage over iBooks, also evaporated. Even though Amazon won't take losses on ebooks anymore to sell them cheaply, it's a bad situation for them, because they lose that marketshare-building advantage. (That is, Amazon's happy to spend $50 subsidizing cheap books to hook you into Kindle for life. If, eventually, they're the only game in town, like iTunes was for music, then they'd have the power to push back against publishers anyway.) Amazon has two months before the iPad launches. They better move fast. " It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what Amazon did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the recording industry for a long time about variable pricing. But out of the box the iBookstore, or whatever it will be called, is the lapdog of the publishing world. I'll continue to vote with my dollars. E-books are too expensive at $10 each, let alone $15 or $20. I've never bought one and never will until the prices are sane (e.g., less than a paperback since they cost far less to produce). Damned shame, too, since e-books don't have to involve deforestation (hence why I buy almost all my books used). But as always, greed trumps all in the publishing world. They had nearly complete control of the sale and distribution of printed and recorded material until the Xerox machine, desktop publishing and digitization. They still try to pretend they have control in order to protect their ability to exploit content creators and buyers, relying now on lobbying and ever more draconian copyright laws. But publishing houses and record companies are no longer necessary. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what Amazon > did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the recording industry [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'll continue to vote with my dollars. E-books are too expensive at $10 > each, let alone $15 or $20. There are four library systems in my area (three city libraries and the county system which covers a bunch of cities that don't want to manage their own libraries). All offer downloadable eBooks, including new releases, and audio books at no charge. They don't "check out" an unlimited number of each title, sometimes you have to put a hold on the title and wait for a while. Since even when you buy an eBook it's only for one reader you're not really giving up anything. Apparently there are ways to keep the book permanently by removing the DRM but unless you're going on a long trip and want to stock on content, why bother since you don't want to fill up your reader with books you don't want to keep after you've read them. I think that the publishers are making a big mistake. When content is reasonably priced people buy it. When it's ridiculously priced they obtain it in other ways, both legally and illegally. One issue is that the publishers are selling the content through a middleman. This has to stop. There is no reason they should be paying a big cut of eBook revenue to middlemen. Setting up an e-commerce site to sell eBooks should be something every publisher does. > > It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what > > Amazon did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > unlimited number of each title, sometimes you have to put a hold on > the title and wait for a while. I wonder how they got that to be legal. > Since even when you buy an eBook it's only for one reader you're not > really giving up anything. Apparently there are ways to keep the book > permanently by removing the DRM but unless you're going on a long > trip and want to stock on content, why bother since you don't want to > fill up your reader with books you don't want to keep after you've > read them. I'm afraid I wasn't quite able to work out your point that paragraph, sorry. > I think that the publishers are making a big mistake. When content is > reasonably priced people buy it. When it's ridiculously priced they > obtain it in other ways, both legally and illegally. Well, some people will look for ways to get it for free even if the price is very low because that's just how they are. But I think that more people would be inclined to buy if the price felt reasonable to them. According to the stuff I've seen out there, Amazon was actually selling e-books at a loss basically to create a market for the Kindle. > One issue is that the publishers are selling the content through a > middleman. This has to stop. There is no reason they should be paying > a big cut of eBook revenue to middlemen. Setting up an e-commerce > site to sell eBooks should be something every publisher does. A bummer of a notion for middlemen everywhere. Like bookstores and record stores. My needs for an iPad or e-book reader are pretty specific- I have thousands of pages of sheet music in PDF form and want to be able to load them onto an 8.5 x 11 or A4 tablet, which I can put on the music stand and use to read charts. Then I don't have to carry 600-700 pages of paper around with me to play. So far there are no products that meet my need although a few come close. One gripe I have is with all e-book readers and the iPad, which is that the screen dimensions are given with the stupid diagonal measurement, which meant something back in the old days with TVs but is a useless measurement now since TV screen proportions vary quite a bit. I want to know the width and the height of the viewable area. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > One gripe I have is with all e-book readers and the iPad, which is that > the screen dimensions are given with the stupid diagonal measurement, > which meant something back in the old days with TVs but is a useless > measurement now since TV screen proportions vary quite a bit. I want to > know the width and the height of the viewable area. It is close to A5. A little wider and not as high as in A5 - I guess it is just 'half letter' format in the same way A5 is half A4. SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe > > One gripe I have is with all e-book readers and the iPad, which is > > that the screen dimensions are given with the stupid diagonal [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is close to A5. A little wider and not as high as in A5 - I guess > it is just 'half letter' format in the same way A5 is half A4. The problem being that it's not sight-readable because it's not large enough for my purposes- being 3-4 feet away on a music stand. Oh well, someone will eventually come up with the right product. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > > > One gripe I have is with all e-book readers and the iPad, which is > > > that the screen dimensions are given with the stupid diagonal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > enough for my purposes- being 3-4 feet away on a music stand. Oh well, > someone will eventually come up with the right product. I think there is a demand for two other sizes of iPads. One with an A4 screen and one slightly smaller than the one that will be released at the end of next month - in order to fit into an inside jacket pocket. Personally, I usually read 20-30 cm away from the text. I'm myopic. SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6db3dc$0$1635 $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net: > One issue is that the publishers are selling the content through a > middleman. This has to stop. There is no reason they should be paying a > big cut of eBook revenue to middlemen. Setting up an e-commerce site to > sell eBooks should be something every publisher does. Wrong, but in the right direction. "Setting up an e-commerce site to sell ebooks should be something every AUTHOR does." The publisher is also unnecessary to the whole affair. The same is true for music and movies. If you look at a movie, Universal never made it. It was made by a movie company with a queer little name AFTER the Universal wrapper at the beginning of the movie. "Imagine" comes to mind. They made the movie, Universal just marked it way up and distributes film to movie distribution companies in regions. I used to be a theatre manager who got the film in the cans every Monday morning from the regional distributors. Markup Markup Markup. Theatres make almost nothing on movies. That's why the goddamned popcorn has to cost $4 a box! It's their only profit center! When an album is recorded right there in Smiley's Studio and Storm Door, Podunk, Arkansas, all the engineer has to do is upload it to the BAND'S own webpage server at Akamai for instant distribution on the BAND's commercial website. Google had a music search engine that knows where all the music is, already in operation. Let's cut out ALL the middlemen, not just the last 2 layers of 8 layers. I bet JK Rowling could sell me a Harry Potter ebook for a dollar and triple her profits after paying for a website and server storage......and sell BILLIONS, not millions, with virtually no piracy at a dollar! If the AUTHORS made it so cheap that way...piracy would be unnecessary! They only get PENNIES from each book sale at Barnes&Noble..... Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > Wrong, but in the right direction. "Setting up an e-commerce site to sell > ebooks should be something every AUTHOR does." The publisher is also > unnecessary to the whole affair. Something that would make it difficult to potential customers to find the books ... SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe per@RQNNE.invalid (Per Rønne) wrote in news:1jdj8us.13q6y2pkdlvmhN% per@RQNNE.invalid: > Something that would make it difficult to potential customers to find > the books ... > - That used to be true of a lot of things on the net....but no more. An Ebook source sight full of nothing but pointers to the Author's ecommerce website would be an overnight success, dragging their server to the ground, I'd suspect. Without all the middlemen, ebooks would be really cheap! Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > When an album is recorded right there in Smiley's Studio and Storm Door, > Podunk, Arkansas, all the engineer has to do is upload it to the BAND'S own > webpage server at Akamai for instant distribution on the BAND's commercial > website. Google had a music search engine that knows where all the music is, > already in operation. Let's cut out ALL the middlemen, not just the last 2 > layers of 8 layers. Someone has to edit the book into readable form; look at the incredible messes perpetuated by, oh, Tom Clancy to name just one, once he got to be too big to edit. Someone has to publicize the book, so that those who are not hard-core fanbois know it exists... and _no-one_ will be a fanboi of any type for the _first_ book that anyone writes, and possibly for the first _several_ books. Someone's got to do advance work for the band. Someone's got to set up the road shows, do the publicity for them, and so on. This costs money and takes time and requires totally different talent than actually writing the book or performing the song. Someone's got to winnow through all the crap put out by wannabes who never will be. Publishers are necessary. Bookstores, music stores, and the like, are not. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. > > When an album is recorded right there in Smiley's Studio and Storm Door, > > Podunk, Arkansas, all the engineer has to do is upload it to the BAND'S own [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Publishers are necessary. Bookstores, music stores, and the like, are not. I agree. But I am hoping that Apple will do with books what they've done with music. And that is give a venue for a new, 'indie' author and maybe highlight it, or do a 'new book Wednesday' that gives away a short story by one of these new authors as they do with some of the stuff on 'New Music Tuesday' now. Could be interesting and might spawn a new way to get books out there. Think of it. A new, unpublished author submits his short story to Apple and they offer to put it up for free on the hope for some buzz and interest. Then that same author can come back and put books up for sale and have a somewhat ready made market without all the expense. > > When an album is recorded right there in Smiley's Studio and Storm > > Door, Podunk, Arkansas, all the engineer has to do is upload it to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Publishers are necessary. Not even in your examples. Publishers *can* do those things, but so can authors. They might have to take more marketing initiative than they are used to doing, but they also would get to keep more of the money from sales. Or they can hire an editor and a publicist. 'Cuz in point of fact, I see almost zero publication efforts provided by book publishers. I don't know what they do to try to publicize books because virtually none of that publication ever comes to my attention. They don't spend advertising dollars in any media stream I utilize. I don't read the NYT book section, heck I read an actual newspaper maybe twice a month. I don't read magazines, generally speaking. The last book publicity I saw was for _The Deathly Hallows_ and frankly that didn't need to be publicized. How do I find out about new books? I go to the bookstore and browse. Except... > Bookstores, music stores, and the like, are not. They're the ones getting the shaft in the near term, and they're the ones for whom I have sympathy. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what Amazon > did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the recording industry [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > now on lobbying and ever more draconian copyright laws. But publishing > houses and record companies are no longer necessary. There's still thousands of classics for free - just abandon literature written by authors who haven't been dead for at least 70 years:-). SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe >> It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what Amazon >> did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the recording industry [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > There's still thousands of classics for free - just abandon literature > written by authors who haven't been dead for at least 70 years:-). This is true. Not sure if libraries outside the U.S. are also doing free eBook lending of current titles as well. If I were a publisher I don't know that I'd be anxious to let libraries "lend" eBooks at all. > >> It's an interesting reversal. Apple did with iTunes pricing what Amazon > >> did with e-book pricing; they fought back against the recording industry > >> for a long time about variable pricing. But out of the box the iBookstore, or whatever it will be called, is the lapdog of the publishing world. > >> I'll continue to vote with my dollars. E-books are too expensive at $10 > >> each, let alone $15 or $20. I've never bought one and never will until > >> the prices are sane (e.g., less than a paperback since they cost far less to produce). Damned shame, too, since e-books don't have to involve deforestation (hence why I buy almost all my books used). > >> But as always, greed trumps all in the publishing world. They had nearly complete control of the sale and distribution of printed and recorded material until the Xerox machine, desktop publishing and digitization. They still try to pretend they have control in order to > >> protect their ability to exploit content creators and buyers, relying > >> now on lobbying and ever more draconian copyright laws. But publishing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This is true. Not sure if libraries outside the U.S. are also doing > free eBook lending of current titles as well. The Liverpool, UK does, via Overdrive, but these are ,of course, still Englsh language books. My search on the Overdrive site for "Doctor Who" ebooks for my son led me there (as the sole source, unfortunately!) > If I were a publisher I don't know that I'd be anxious to let libraries > "lend" eBooks at all. I'm not sure they have much choice- the libraries have to purchase each ebook copy they want to lend, just like physical copies. Presumably, that gives them the same lending rights a physical book has. SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6dbb7f$0$1670 $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net: > This is true. Not sure if libraries outside the U.S. are also doing free > eBook lending of current titles as well. If I were a publisher I don't > know that I'd be anxious to let libraries "lend" eBooks at all. One thing about libraries, they're government places....same government that controls COPYRIGHT LAWS. Make too much noise about government libraries and we can simply DELETE Copyright Laws at the stroke of a pen in Congress.... I'd say that keeps libraries in business, in this cutthroat environment. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > One thing about libraries, they're government places....same government > that controls COPYRIGHT LAWS. Libraries are run by cities, counties, school districts, and colleges and universities. Except for the library of congress and libraries on military installations, they are not run by the federal government, and it is the federal government that controls copyright laws. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign Member Arizona Road Racers >I'll continue to vote with my dollars. E-books are too expensive at $10 >each, let alone $15 or $20. I've never bought one and never will until >the prices are sane (e.g., less than a paperback since they cost far >less to produce). I don't care about production costs, I care more about value. I refuse to pay more for an eBook because I can't resell it or lend it like I can a paper book. I sometimes am willing to pay the same because I'll never lose it and because I prefer eBooks to physical books. >Damned shame, too, since e-books don't have to >involve deforestation (hence why I buy almost all my books used). No books involve deforestation, the forestry industry plans more trees than it cuts down, and virtually all wood used for paper is from managed forests planted specifically for human consumption. > It looks like Amazon Kindle is doomed. > "Amazon's price advantage over iBooks, also evaporated." Leaving only their $300+ hardware advantage, 50% size advantage and 2x battery life advantage... > > It looks like Amazon Kindle is doomed. > > "Amazon's price advantage over iBooks, also evaporated." > > Leaving only their $300+ hardware advantage, 50% size advantage and 2x > battery life advantage... And their Amazon, English-language book only disadvantage ... SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe > Leaving only their $300+ hardware advantage, 50% size advantage and 2x > battery life advantage... My KindleDX and my wife's standard Kindle both run for 3-4 weeks between charges. And that's with a lot of reading - probably 5 or 6 complete books in that time. We do switch off the 3G wireless unless using it to shop at Amazon, so that helps. But it's a hell of a lot better than 10hours MAX on the iPad. And I must say that I really do like the eInk display on the Kindle for reading, much more than a backlit display on my Macbook, for example. The Kindles are also easy to hold up between a couple of fingers and thumb while reading lying down in bed - I can't quite see the iPad being as easy. Horses for courses.... SignatureNightStalker Last time on alt.cellular.attws, "iPad: It's a Winner" <vic.healey@gmail.com> said: >It looks like Amazon Kindle is doomed. Kindle was doomed the moment they reached in and erased those e-books from peoples' Kindles without asking the owners' permission. I will never buy any e-book reader which allows any third party that sort of access to my data. > Last time on alt.cellular.attws, "iPad: It's a Winner" > <vic.healey@gmail.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kindle was doomed the moment they reached in and erased those e-books > from peoples' Kindles without asking the owners' permission. Doomed for you, perhaps, but that didn't seem to hurt sales. And, in that particular case (the only time Amazon has recalled any books to date) they had a pretty legitimate reason. > I will never buy any e-book reader which allows any third party that > sort of access to my data. They can only "access" content you purchased from them, nothing you create or obtain independently. And, if you read the entire story, rather than some militant blogger's version, the two removed books were unauthorized pirate copies of George Orwell books uploaded by an independent seller who mistakenly thought Orwell's novels were public domain. After Amazon removed them at thee request of Orwell's publisher, and refunded the buyer's accounts, they offered affected buyers a $30 gift card toward future ebook purchases or free authorized copies of the removed books. While it was handled clumsily from the get-go, it's interesting to note the pirate books were sold (through Amazon) by an independent seller- in a closed ecosystem this wouldn't have happened. The "recall" is, IMO, a small price to pay for a more open system. I suppose an analogy might be if you unwittingly bought a stolen, but traceable item, like an iPhone, or an automobile. If police discovered in their investigation that you had bought it, it'd be confiscated as evidence and eventually returned to its rightful owner. This is essentially what happend here- the illegal copies of the books were confiscated, and the buyers reimbursed. > access to my data It's NOT your data, actually. You bought a LICENSE to USE the data for an unspecified time. They erased THEIR data from YOUR Kindle. They'll do the same to all app store data...ebooks, programs, or otherwise IF NOONE STOPS THEM from screwing all of us with this cloud-based, corporation-controlled app store bullshit! Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY be allowed to run software DOWNLOADED ON ITUNES FROM THE NEW MAC APP STORE ONLY! Just keep smiling while Jobs shoves it up your a.ses and all the OTHER manufacturers follow suit. Windows? I bet Micro$oft is just drooling over iPad's sales figures and planning on the new Microsoft App Store for Windows 8, that puts an END to computing as we know it. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY > be allowed to run software DOWNLOADED ON ITUNES FROM THE NEW MAC APP > STORE ONLY! I would bet you if I had any realistic chance of winning when (not if) I won. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign Member Arizona Road Racers > Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY be > allowed to run software DOWNLOADED ON ITUNES FROM THE NEW MAC APP STORE > ONLY! and how in the world do you propose that would work? >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY be >> allowed to run software DOWNLOADED ON ITUNES FROM THE NEW MAC APP STORE >> ONLY! > >and how in the world do you propose that would work? Really simple, it has already started with the iPad. Next will be a "MacBook Lite" which is basically an iPad with a keyboard in a standard clamshell form-factor, and a few more of Apple's own apps built-in. Eventually Apple will phase out the middle of the road MacBook line (and similar desktop lineup) leaving only the Pro and Lite lines, with only extreme power users buying Pro, with everyone else Thinking Different, just like Mr Jobs said to do. > >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY > >> be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > extreme power users buying Pro, with everyone else Thinking Different, > just like Mr Jobs said to do. the ipad is not going to replace a macbook because it runs an entirely different collection of software. there's a need for both products (not necessarily owned by the same person). and what i was asking is how apple would create and enforce a software store for a mac, blocking all other software. it's not going to happen. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:070220102019501181% nospam@nospam.invalid: > and what i was asking is how apple would create and enforce a software > store for a mac, blocking all other software. > > it's not going to happen. They simply put another proprietary CPU, like iPad has, into the Mac Lite and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load only app store software. EXACTLY the concept of iPhone, iTouch, iPad.... Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > They simply put another proprietary CPU, like iPad has, standard arm processor, just like in many mobile devices. > into the Mac Lite > and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load only > app store software. EXACTLY the concept of iPhone, iTouch, iPad.... and thereby obsolete every single application? what in hell would be the point? >> into the Mac Lite >> and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load only >> app store software. EXACTLY the concept of iPhone, iTouch, iPad.... > >and thereby obsolete every single application? what in hell would be >the point? The point would be a 30% cut in all software sales. > >> into the Mac Lite > >> and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The point would be a 30% cut in all software sales. it would be a 100% cut in sales because nobody would buy the product. what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model mac does? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:080220100005594302% nospam@nospam.invalid: >> >> into the Mac Lite >> >> and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model > mac does? Your monthly subscription to the cloud will include running the "apple approved" software for you, right on the cloud! It'll be fast, furious, won't work on ATT 3G because it hogs bandwidth but will over wifi. You will be convinced like you've been convinced by iPhone that you "don't need" to have your own copy of software, stored and controlled by you on your own storage device. Daddy will control it all for you so you never have to upgrade, decontaminate, modify, store, all that nastiness you do now. It'll be "wonderful", sold with thousands of wonderful ads like iPad will be. You'll WILLINGLY take it up the a.s for the company. After all, IT'S APPLE! They know what's best for your Mac, right? You won't have to worry about storing your Ebooks, music, movies, copyright controls, file storage that may make you feel guilty, like you do now every time I download an MP3 for nothing from usenet. You'll feel wonderful knowing you're doing your part for the Apple User Experience. Apple will only need store ONE copy of each Ebook on the servers. MOST PROFITABLE, eh? Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry >> >> into the Mac Lite >> >> and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model > mac does? Forget you and your bretheren for a moment, who have an investment in Mac OS software- you're 10% of the computer market. Apple could try to attract the other 90%- the Windows PC users who don't look at the current Macs due to the entry level expense. Many are already entranced by the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad ecosystem, and getting them to use a lower-cost "iPMac" would be an easier "sell" that convincing them to jump into the Mac OS world. > > what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model > > mac does? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Touch/iPad ecosystem, and getting them to use a lower-cost "iPMac" would be > an easier "sell" that convincing them to jump into the Mac OS world. how is it an easier sell? will they be able to run microsoft office or adobe photoshop? firefox? any of zillions of other apps? if not, why would they be interested? > > > what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous > > > model mac does? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > adobe photoshop? firefox? any of zillions of other apps? if not, why > would they be interested? See: "iPhone, success of" Specific software is less important to most (non-business) users than having a category represented; meaning having ANY email client, web browser or word processor is more important than having any particular one. An iP* OS-based netbook device with the iWork bundle preinstalled would be more useful out-of-the-box than a Windows netbook with no Office suite pre-installed. I can easily see a potential market for a touchscreen netbook form- factored iP* OS device. Frankly, I can see a bigger market for that than the iPad! > Forget you and your bretheren for a moment, who have an investment in Mac OS > software- you're 10% of the computer market. Apple could try to attract the > other 90%- the Windows PC users who don't look at the current Macs due to > the entry level expense. Many are already entranced by the iPhone/iPod > Touch/iPad ecosystem, and getting them to use a lower-cost "iPMac" would be > an easier "sell" that convincing them to jump into the Mac OS world. I think Apple is up to even more. They want to redo what they did with the Macintosh back then. They want to re-invent computing for the masses and to do this they're fully prepared to do away with computers as we know them and they have no problem to take their time and to slowly proceed. I have no idea if they will succeed with this but I certainly think it's a worthwhile experiment. Up to now, computers have been horse-drawn carriages with ever faster horses and aluminum drawbars and blue LEDs on the tackles. Apple tries to do away with the horses and the horse manure. Apple tries to build and sell an automobile instead. It will give new freedoms and new limitations and the market will show if they are right or not. Jochem Signature"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery > Up to now, computers have been horse-drawn carriages with ever faster > horses and aluminum drawbars and blue LEDs on the tackles. Apple tries > to do away with the horses and the horse manure. Apple tries to build > and sell an automobile instead. It will give new freedoms and new > limitations and the market will show if they are right or not. Apple is planning for the dumbing down of the educated population of the planet, just as George Orwell predicted for us in "1984". The "screens" in "1984" didn't have any buttons on them, either....taking iPhone just one button further. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > Apple is planning for the dumbing down of the educated population of the > planet, just as George Orwell predicted for us in "1984". > > The "screens" in "1984" didn't have any buttons on them, either....taking > iPhone just one button further. You're giving Apple much more power than they'll ever have. 1984 is long over and the "screen" is not the iPad, it's your TV and Fox News. Jochem Signature"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery >> >> into the Mac Lite >> >> and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model >mac does? iPhone seems to have done well without any software out there. This new Mac Lite would already run all of the software out there for iPhones and iPads, so it's not starting from scratch. > >what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model > >mac does? > > iPhone seems to have done well without any software out there. This new > Mac Lite would already run all of the software out there for iPhones and > iPads, so it's not starting from scratch. the iphone isn't supposed to replace a mac. i'm sure there will be other products in the iphone/ipad family, but they aren't going to replace macs. > > >what is the point of a mac that can't run *anything* the previous model > > >mac does? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > i'm sure there will be other products in the iphone/ipad family, but > they aren't going to replace macs. Certainly not. iPhone is for the belt or trouser pocket. iPad is for the armchair, bed or train. The MacBook for the desk or meeting room table. And the Mac Pro or iMac is for the desk only. And of course the devices should synchronize what is relevant to synchronize. SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:070220102058289210% nospam@nospam.invalid: >> They simply put another proprietary CPU, like iPad has, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and thereby obsolete every single application? what in hell would be > the point? Wake up, sport! The ONLY thing that matters is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:070220102019501181% > nospam@nospam.invalid: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and lock up the OS so it will only talk to itunes over the net to load only > app store software. EXACTLY the concept of iPhone, iTouch, iPad.... Do you also believe that Queen Elizabeth is an alien lizard in disguise? <http://www.jameswatkins.com/conspiracies.htm> SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe >> >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY >> >> be [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >different collection of software. there's a need for both products (not >necessarily owned by the same person). Agreed. You'll note my statement above covered that very scenario, and allows users to choose which product line they want to follow. >and what i was asking is how apple would create and enforce a software >store for a mac, blocking all other software. On a technical level, it would be done the same way it's already done on iPhone/iPad, if the executeable isn't signed by Apple, it doesn't run. > On a technical level, it would be done the same way it's already done on > iPhone/iPad, if the executeable isn't signed by Apple, it doesn't run. I don't think it will. There's no reason, on a Mac connected to broadband, to actually download the software to the new SuperMac Cloud machine. They'll connect to their Cloud Home on Apple's servers, the SERVER will run the software and control access to only those who pay up. Safari will play the music, display the game running on the cloud, show them their pictures they have no more need to store on a Mac with no storage, no CD/DVD, no card slot.....just like iPad, only better! By the time it's ready, they'll all accept the Mac Me concept.... George Orwell had the date wrong. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > I don't think it will. There's no reason, on a Mac connected to broadband, > to actually download the software to the new SuperMac Cloud machine. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > card slot.....just like iPad, only better! By the time it's ready, they'll > all accept the Mac Me concept.... so, like what google is doing with google apps, not apple? > George Orwell had the date wrong. and you get everything wrong. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:080220100050207187% nospam@nospam.invalid: > so, like what google is doing with google apps, not apple? That's another excellent app store example.....thanks. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > > so, like what google is doing with google apps, not apple? > > That's another excellent app store example.....thanks. you are a hypocrite. <http://groups.google.com/group/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/msg/0b3c80efb6b 7358a?hl=en> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Google Wave for all.... From: Larry <no...@home.com> Message-ID: <Xns9C1C5005A71E8noonehomecom@74.209.131.13> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:51:59 +0000 I'm usually down on webapps and server-stored stuff. But, I'm quite blown away by Google Wave, who's developer demo is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ It's time to put Email to bed after 40 years..... What a great new OPEN SOURCE system..... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:080220100100142808% nospam@nospam.invalid: > you are a hypocrite. Guilty as charged! You too! Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:060220102203071564% nospam@nospam.invalid: >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY be >> allowed to run software DOWNLOADED ON ITUNES FROM THE NEW MAC APP STORE >> ONLY! > > and how in the world do you propose that would work? Exactly as it works on iPhone/ipad/itouch. Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY > be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Exactly as it works on iPhone/ipad/itouch. how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along with it? >> >> Mac owners are next. I'm betting if iPad sells well, NEW Macs will ONLY >> be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along >with it? If they want to sell software on the iPad and it's descendants, they'll have no choice. If they don't like it, they're free to not sell software on that platform. > >how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along > >with it? > > If they want to sell software on the iPad and it's descendants, they'll > have no choice. If they don't like it, they're free to not sell > software on that platform. the mac is a separate platform. it's successful the way it is and it's not going to lock out third party software. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:080220100006004382% nospam@nospam.invalid: > the mac is a separate platform. it's successful the way it is and it's > not going to lock out third party software. Keep telling yourself that. Convince yourself. ACCEPTANCE has already been proved by all of you buying that damned iPhone appliance. It will be reinforced when you buy your iPad. Once the new generation is ready to let Daddy operate their computer for them, instead of getting off their a.ses and learning something about computers, the Mac Store will be loaded on the servers and a "new, wonderful, improved" Mac will replace that "old, obsolete, hard-to- operate" Mac that has to boot from its obsolete hard drive. The new Mac, exactly like the new iPad, won't need hard drives, USB ports, they already got rid of the Firewire port you plugged your expensive Apple accessories into in the last generational change, mostly without Apple Sheeple pitching a fit....nonFirewired Macs sold like hotcakes, right? All will be kept on the "Mac Me" servers, for a fee of course or sold to the spammers to make the new profits. Macs won't have card slots, replaceable batteries (oh, wait, they ALREADY got rid of replaceable batteries, right?) Think AIR without local storage the new Super Safari will do everything on your cloud-stored apps/data/music/movies....if you want to rent them. It's a dream come true for the sh.t media companies! Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:080220100006004382% > nospam@nospam.invalid: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > It's a dream come true for the sh.t media companies! The tinfoil must have fallen out of your hat. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:070220102058299319% nospam@nospam.invalid: > how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along > with it? $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ They way any corporation, including Apple, Micro$oft and the rest are convinced.... Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > > how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along > > with it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They way any corporation, including Apple, Micro$oft and the rest are > convinced.... but they're already making plenty of money without an apps store on mac and windows. how are you going to convince them to switch? > > > how will they convince the likes of adobe and microsoft to go along > > > with it? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but they're already making plenty of money without an apps store on mac > and windows. how are you going to convince them to switch? Are you really trying to reason with Larry? Don't you realize that he is out of touch with reality, and neither facts nor logic can sway him from his delusions? He believes that Islamo-fascist-gay-environmentalist-Jews, led by Apple are trying to take over the world. SignatureMember National Rifle Association Member American Civil Liberties Union Member Human Rights Campaign Member Arizona Road Racers > Are you really trying to reason with Larry? Don't you realize that he > is out of touch with reality, and neither facts nor logic can sway him > from his delusions? > > He believes that Islamo-fascist-gay-environmentalist-Jews, led by Apple > are trying to take over the world. That's completely uncalled for, Michelle... ...he never said they were fascists! ;) > > Are you really trying to reason with Larry? Don't you realize that he > > is out of touch with reality, and neither facts nor logic can sway him [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ...he never said they were fascists! ;) But alien lizards like Queen Elizabeth II is quite another matter:-). <http://www.jameswatkins.com/conspiracies.htm> SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe > > access to my data > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > drooling over iPad's sales figures and planning on the new Microsoft > App Store for Windows 8, that puts an END to computing as we know it. Dude, time to stop shouting. And maybe you should go back to clay tablets with a pointed stick. Signature"I wear the cheese, it does not wear me." > > > access to my data > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Dude, time to stop shouting. And maybe you should go back to clay > tablets with a pointed stick. Larry the Sumerian :-). SignaturePer Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe >>> access to my data >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Dude, time to stop shouting. And maybe you should go back to clay > tablets with a pointed stick. You don't want Larry to get too close to sharp or pointed implements. You really don't. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. "iPad: It's a Winner" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:af0cb610- 49ba-4cd0-a3e3-9bf5065e2cc8@n33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com: > It looks like Amazon Kindle is doomed. > "Amazon's price advantage over iBooks, also evaporated." [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Amazon has two months before the iPad launches. They better move fast. > " Why are YOU so goddamned happy every time there is a PRICE INCREASE of anything, it seems?? Signature"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry > It looks like not only is the iPad going to rule the netbook market, it > is also going to render the Kindle an expensive & useless toy. What rot! If Macmillan want to charge $15.99 per book on the Kindle, they'll try that on the iPad as well. And they just won't sell as many books - I can buy paperbacks cheaper than that, even here in Australia. If the books sell on the iPad, they'll still sell on the Kindle. But I suspect that Macmillan are simply pricing themselves out of a sensible market. Particularly given that there are no printing, warehousing, or distribution costs. $15.99 is unsustainable. And who knows what that will translate to here on the Australian Kindle? I won't be buying any for that price, that's for sure. Neither on my Kindle, nor on any iPad. Nope - this is Macmillan floundering about trying to protect their paper sales, and trying to push the market envelope. It will fail. And trying to translate this into iPad vs Kindle is a silly non- argument. I can't imagine Macmillan selling ebooks on one format for $9.99 and $15.99 on another. SignatureNightStalker > > It looks like not only is the iPad going to rule the netbook market, it > > is also going to render the Kindle an expensive & useless toy. And as Amazon "cave in" and put Macmillan's books back, at the higher prices, I see this as a gamble, but possibly a very smart move by Amazon. They are giving Macmillan just enough rope.... Macmillan's ebooks will not sell many at all at those higher prices, but by having them in the catalog, Amazon are letting the market dictate things. I suspect - and hope - that Amazon emerge victorious from this once Macmillan are forced to drop their prices back in line with all the others. Let's face it - given that there are no significant production, warehousing, or distribution costs for ebooks, they should be able to sell more for less, but they sure ain't gonna sell more for more. SignatureNightStalker |
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