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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / ATT Wireless / September 2003news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings
Cingular Wireless yesterday warned U.S. wireless customers that the nationwide shift to wireless number portability will not go as smoothly as they might wish. The carrier said that customers who switch service after the deadline on November 24 may lose basic parts of their service for hours before their switch is complete. Cingular also warned that subscribers who cancel their service plans may lose their phone numbers if they do not follow proper procedures. This announcement is part of a campaign by most of the leading U.S. carriers, which oppose the FCC's local number portability (LNP) requirement. The only major carrier thus far to embrace the shift to number portability is Verizon Wireless, which expects to take existing subscribers away from rival carriers after the deadline passes. The other carriers hope to discourage subscribers from switching service providers. This campaign is expected to intensify as the number portability deadline approaches. For more on Cingular's warning: - read this http://lists.fiercemarkets.com/c.html?s=69l,3ljo,8mg,7c26,5ez5,b48k,hbcp CNET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Interesting that there is no release available on Cingular's website in the Newsroom area.  SignatureChris Please respond on Usenet or Phonescoop.com "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article <WTidnWmr4PV_eeyiXTWJhg@comcast.com>: > Cingular Wireless yesterday warned U.S. wireless customers that the > nationwide shift to wireless number portability will not go as smoothly as [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- In alt.cellular.sprintpcs PDA Man <pda@theman.com> wrote: > the deadline on November 24 may lose basic parts of their service for hours > before their switch is complete. Cingular is SBC+Bellsouth. What do you expect? SignatureJustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article <iY6cnf-bxsu0lO-iU-KYjQ@lmi.net>: > In alt.cellular.sprintpcs PDA Man <pda@theman.com> wrote: > > the deadline on November 24 may lose basic parts of their service for hours > > before their switch is complete. > > Cingular is SBC+Bellsouth. What do you expect? I expect SBC to do anything... from legal challenges, to interminable foot dragging in order to hold onto their customers. Just as they have done with their near monopoly in local wireline service, including delaying and under staffing the apparatus which allows switching to competing local carriers. In fairness, consumers are going to need help to make sure the number porting procedure is followed correctly to minimize problems. Unless required by the FCC, it seems hard to imagine SBC providing clear instructions on how to switch to another carrier. They have pointed out the need though. It's likely a cell phone will not work for some period of time, while the transfer is processed between carriers. I'm not sure what a reasonable time would be? There seems to be little incentive to hire more personnel to speed up the ease at which customers would be able to leave though. It will be interesting to see how various carriers behave. - David >It's likely a cell phone will not work for some period of time, while >the transfer is processed between carriers. I'm not sure what a >reasonable time would be? There are several things that I expect which will make this procedure take a lot of time! I really expect to hear about 14 day to 21 day cut over time periods. 1st, the current carrier is NOT going to automatically release the number because you ask them to. 2nd, your bill is going to have to be paid in full (along with any pre-contract termination fees) before the carriers will release your number. To this end they may require as long as a month to make sure that there are no additional roaming charges come in from some carrier in BF West Oklahoma. 3rd, I suspect that there is going to be a charge from either the carrier releasing the number or the carrier obtaining the number. Keep in mind that the carriers all BOUGHT their number blocks of 10,000 numbers. Some one is going to compensate the losing carrier and the gaining carrier for this expenditure - who do you think that is going to be?? 4th, the cost of implemantation is going to be passed along to SOMEONE. My hope is that those of us who do NOT utilize the WNP program are not charged any additional charges. It should go like this - The first person pays 100% The second person pays 50% and refunds 50% to the first person The third person pays 33% and refunds to the first two until they have only paid 33% And so on......... This should discourage the first person as it will cost him millions.... Problem solved! No one will step up to the plate if this is implemented. Finally, my hope is that I am wrong, that the companies figure out a way to make all of this happen easily and without too much cost. But being in the business, I DOUBT very much that this will happen! -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >2nd, your bill is going to have to be paid in full (along with any pre-contract >termination fees) before the carriers will release your number. To this end >they may require as long as a month to make sure that there are no additional >roaming charges come in from some carrier in BF West Oklahoma. If you read the regulations on WNP you'd see that it is *not* a requirement that your contract be fulfilled and carriers cannot hold you hostage. You are liable for any ETF and charges, but you are not held hostage. Just because you have a prejudice against WNP it doesn't help anyone to give wrong information. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >If you read the regulations on WNP Can you point me to that regulation? -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>If you read the regulations on WNP > >Can you point me to that regulation? It's amazing that using google one can find lots of information if one looks! http://www.myrateplan.com/wireless/knowledge/number_portability.php#5 Will Portability Let Me Break My Contract? No, you will still have to honor the terms of your contract, and your carrier can charge you termination penalties defined in your contract if you cancel your service before your contract ends. However, the FCC ruled in early July that a carrier cannot prevent a subscriber from leaving, even if they have an outstanding bill balance. So, while you would still be responsible for any unpaid balances (either billing or termination fee), this apparently will not prevent you from leaving your current carrier. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com Before I get a lot of feedback, I know I am dreaming and it will NEVER happen. I personally think that this new law should also be written in that those tied into a contract that want to switch, will be able to do so without penalty. No ETF, or other fees at all. After all, you were not aware of this issue when you signed your contract so, this should be a loophole to get you out of it if you want. For those of you who are going to say "my company doesn't charge an ETF", I say to you, read the fine print on your contract. They will. I have seen contracts for ATTWS, Cricket, Verizon, Sprint, Cingular, and Alltel, and all of them at some point in the find print (usually the faded print on the back) say they will charge you anywhere from $100.00 - $300.00 for and ETF. > >If you read the regulations on WNP > > Can you point me to that regulation? >There seems to be little incentive to hire more personnel to speed up >the ease at which customers would be able to leave though. There is no incentive to hire more people for a smooth transition. What incentive could there possibly be? Keep in mind that the companies are spending a lot of money to make this happen and (as near as I can tell) no one wants to pay this cost. Again, I think that if you want your number ported, you should expect to pay the cost to port the number. $10, $50, $1,000,000, whatever. It isn't going to be free and it isn't going to be painless OR smooth initially. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net All Cingular was saying was that when you make the change it isn't going to be instant. Most people expect it will...like activation is today.. That will change and could take several hours....not to mention they also explained to be that they must leave they're other carrier's account open so the number can be ported...I think they are just trying to be upfront on all the possibilities SignatureThanx, N W davNOLindiSpamatHotmaledotkom (David L) wrote in article <vn4e8pnc9m5kd6@corp.supernews.com>: > > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] Cingular could just be warning customers about the actual procedures. It is possible that if you cancel with Cingular, then 5 minutes later switch to Verizon (or vice versa), your telephone number could be "disconnected". We all know it's going to take more to switch and keep your phone number than 2 simple phone calls (it would be nice, wouldn't it?). I think that consumers should be warned that bugs are going to be out there, there may be legal complications (cell phone home areas are larger than landline local areas) and other issues which we cannot yet seem to imagine. We all know Verizon invested the most capital into fighting number portability in the beginning, too. Just my 2c... AD > Cingular Wireless yesterday warned U.S. wireless customers that the > nationwide shift to wireless number portability will not go as smoothly as [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- About Dakota <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in article <3F720C1F.2000707@REMOVEMEhotmail.com>: > Cingular could just be warning customers about the actual procedures. > It is possible that if you cancel with Cingular, then 5 minutes later [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > AD That's actually *not* how WLNP will work once it's active. We're getting the first details on it now. If you cancel with your current provider first, then your number will *not* port out (not from Sprint). I suppose because that instantly makes the number no longer yours. Instead, you will sign up with the other carrier, the one *to* whom you will take your number, and announce that you are bringing a number over from (for example) us. The porting is then done between carriers, not between the respective carriers and the customer. Signature-+- R?? O/Siris I work for Sprint PCS I *don't* speak for them > That's actually *not* how WLNP will work once it's active. We're > getting the first details on it now. Its how Cingular says it WILL work at Cingular. >Its how Cingular says it WILL work at Cingular. come on!!!!!! If I call and cancel service with carrier "A" that eliminates my rights to the number that I have. I don't care what Cingular is saying. I MUST go to the new carrier (B) to implement the number change as far as the carriers are concerned. Then the original carrier must release the number - AFTER all the charges on the bill are taken care of. The new carrier will then (and only then) be able to implement the number on their system. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net > Then the original carrier must release the number - AFTER all the charges on > the bill are taken care of. Nope, after the number is ported then charges are settled. >Nope, after the number is ported then charges are settled. We will have to see. I think you are wrong. When I moved my 800 numbers from one company to the other, the bill had to be settled before the company would release them to the new carrier. I expect much the same situation with wireless numbers. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>Nope, after the number is ported then charges are settled. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >settled before the company would release them to the new carrier. I expect much >the same situation with wireless numbers. Goodness! We will have to see! Amazing that you can even admit to that. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com > > That's actually *not* how WLNP will work once it's active. We're > > getting the first details on it now. "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article <Pearl-7C38E8.19010624092003@news05.west.earthlink.net>: > Its how Cingular says it WILL work at Cingular. No. From the Cingular WLNP page, supporting sales reps and other Cingular Employees: "Start the process with your new carrier. If you cancel your current service with your existing carrier, you may end up losing your number. " Please have whoever told you otherwise check with their normal information channel for an update; they are handing out incorrect information. > Cingular could just be warning customers about the actual procedures. > It is possible that if you cancel with Cingular, then 5 minutes later > switch to Verizon (or vice versa), your telephone number could be > "disconnected". We all know it's going to take more to switch and keep > your phone number than 2 simple phone calls (it would be nice, wouldn't > it?). actually, it will take only 2 phone calls. the first call is from the provider that the customer is switching *to.* the new provider will then send a request to the customer's current provider for the number to port over. the new provider will activate a new account for the customer with an internal system number that will allow the customer to make outbound calls until the dialable number is ported over from the old carrier. while the number is being ported, the customer will be able to make outbound calls, but will not be able to recieve inbound calls on the new phone, but rather the phone connected to the old carrier. when the customer has been fully activated, then the customer can call the old provider to termintate the subscription associated with the number ported to the new carrier. Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call to when the number is completely transferred over? > > Cingular could just be warning customers about the actual procedures. > > It is possible that if you cancel with Cingular, then 5 minutes later [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > old provider to termintate the subscription associated with the number > ported to the new carrier. >Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call to >when the number is completely transferred over? 10 days to 3 weeks - assuming that all the bills at the old carrier are paid in full. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net One other question, come to think of it. Do you have to do the number port when you sign up? I'd be interested in trying out the phone and service for a few weeks before porting the number over and canceling the old service. I can only imagine how crappy it'd be to port the number over and then realize the thing doesn't work well. > Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call to > when the number is completely transferred over? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > old provider to termintate the subscription associated with the number > > ported to the new carrier. > One other question, come to think of it. Do you have to do the number port > when you sign up? I'd be interested in trying out the phone and service for > a few weeks before porting the number over and canceling the old service. I > can only imagine how crappy it'd be to port the number over and then realize > the thing doesn't work well. Well, John, if you don't have some reasonable assurance that the grass really is greener on the other side, why are you climbing the fence? Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273 "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of what we know." -- Richard Wilbur That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the whole 14 day return period is about. Don't you normally test drive a new car before you trade in your old one? > > One other question, come to think of it. Do you have to do the number port > > when you sign up? I'd be interested in trying out the phone and service for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, John, if you don't have some reasonable assurance that the grass > really is greener on the other side, why are you climbing the fence? > That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the > service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the > whole 14 day return period is about. Don't you normally test drive a new > car before you trade in your old one? Actually, no, I don't test drive these days. I figure if I don't know enough about the car's condition and drivability to already want it, I've got no business buying it. If I did decide to test drive, it'd have to be for at least a week or longer, certainly long enough to do a really swell road trip - and the only way that's gonna happen is to rent one similar enough to make it worthwhile. But that's about cars which have no returnability if it turns out I just don't like how it drives. Cingular offers a 14 day bail-out clause in all new contracts, but if it's a ported number, what'cha gonna do? port it back? I suppose you could. Or, you could rent a Cingular phone for a while until you've determined it's value - sorta like my vacation test drive in a rental. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273 "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of what we know." -- Richard Wilbur > > That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the > > service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enough about the car's condition and drivability to already want it, > I've got no business buying it. Well, that would be nice, but a sane person would want to see for themselves if they can keep their a.s in the seat while driving, check the clutch functioning, make sure it doesn't ride to stiff or too soft, etc. You are brave indeed to make such a purchase decision based merely on spec sheets and word of mouth. I, on the other hand, am a chicken and prefer to see for myself of the car is a POS. > > That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the > > service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > while until you've determined it's value - sorta like my vacation test > drive in a rental. The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or buy it with the option of returning it within 14 days, I don't care. However, Cingular, or any other company, doesn't rent phones. I just want to make sure the coverage is acceptable in the areas I need it to be before I spend the time and effort to port my number. The alternative is to buy a phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone company. BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it. > The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do > it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone > company. Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for 14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days. > BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is > you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it. Yeah, it is the same thing, yet I've never actually done it - though that option is available to anyone. Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273 "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of what we know." -- Richard Wilbur > Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for > 14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a > girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days. Except there a lots of charges. Likely you're into a 2nd billing period, for which they'll charge you in full, then there's the "nonrefundable" activation charge". Cellular companies all pull that trick. Start you with a full billing period one week in, so you'll get charged Extra if you quit after 14 days. >>Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for >>14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > period one week in, so you'll get charged Extra if you quit after 14 > days. Well, whoever said an education was free? Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273 "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of what we know." -- Richard Wilbur >The alternative is to buy a >phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is >acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the >outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone >company. Keep in mind that if you decide that the service is acceptable, you will NOT be allowed to return the phone and then immediatly buy another phone. Rest assured that the number porting is for new activations on the cellular companies system. You may be able to port the number doing a number change to change the number that you got 2 weeks ago...... But in all reality, all cellular companies have problems and if your service is reasonably good, then the new company probably isn't going to be much better. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net > Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call to > when the number is completely transferred over? Supposedly, cellco to cellco ports will take up to around 3 or 4 hours, not days or weeks. Landline to cellco ports, however, will take days, if it will really be possible in Nov. The port is done automagically thru different systems. I also hear there will be systems which will monitor the status of the port. Actually no phone calls are going to be provided.... Steps: 1) Go to the new carrier....decide on rate plan and new phone and Credit check 2) Request Carrier to port your old number.... (this is when the carrier uses your current info to determine through NPAC if your number can be ported) 3) Once your number is qualified to be ported then you sign a LOA (Letter of Agency), which i guess at Cingular will be done on those damn Signature Capture devices. This is written, signed, proof that you are you and you want your number Ported to prevent SLAMMING. 4) After the LOA is signed a copy is electronically forwarded to NPAC who informs the old carrier of the change and begins to port the number to the new carrier.. 5) after the number is ported then the new carrier can begin activating your service. The whole process can take anywhere from 30mins to a few hours. It all depends on the volume of numbers being ported. It took a week to have my landline ported from Bellsouth to the Neighborhood. So i'm not giving much hope to the whole process. SignatureThanx, N W "Arthur Dent" <n@n.biz> wrote in article <gYGcnQGtFs90te-iXTWJig@comcast.com>: > > > Cingular could just be warning customers about the actual procedures. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > old provider to termintate the subscription associated with the number > ported to the new carrier. >The whole process can take anywhere from 30mins to a few hours. It all >depends on the volume of numbers being ported. It took a week to have >my landline ported from Bellsouth to the Neighborhood. So i'm not >giving much hope to the whole process. It took a whole 14 days to port my 800 number from one carrier to another. I expect that your and my experiences are going to be similar to the ones people are going to experience with cell number ports too. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net This seems to mostly a warning that everything may not transfer all that easily. But should you expect it to? Some services provided by some carriers are not going to be provided by others. There is much to the portability issue than meets the naked eye. What of such issues as voice-mail and SMS. People will want the whole pudding to come across with their switch. This is not a claim of intent to tamper. "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article <WTidnWmr4PV_eeyiXTWJhg@comcast.com>: > Cingular Wireless yesterday warned U.S. wireless customers that the > nationwide shift to wireless number portability will not go as smoothly as [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- Portability does require the former carrier to tie your lie through the system... Depedning on their switching and NOCs abilties, it will take time... It iosnt simply a keppunch on a keyboard and boom... Plus you have then to have the new carrier port that incoming line to their system and configure... This isnt a simple plug and replug anymore... Any carrier will set procedures to protect themselves financially (several carriers have said wont release account in arrears or such) and liability wise for calls until proted properly... Makes business sense regardless... "PDA Man" <pda@theman.com> wrote in article <WTidnWmr4PV_eeyiXTWJhg@comcast.com>: > Cingular Wireless yesterday warned U.S. wireless customers that the > nationwide shift to wireless number portability will not go as smoothly as [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Portability does require the former carrier to tie your lie through the > system... Depedning on their switching and NOCs abilties, it will take [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Makes business sense regardless... Potentially, that would mean that someone who is in dispute over a bill may not even be able to take their number with them. Exactly.. and why should they? "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article <c91434bd8b56a2511442010f0ee8dbd6@news.teranews.com>: > > Portability does require the former carrier to tie your lie through the > > system... Depedning on their switching and NOCs abilties, it will take [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Potentially, that would mean that someone who is in dispute over a bill may > not even be able to take their number with them. > Exactly.. and why should they? I could think of several legitimite reasons. In fact, billing issues could be the reason some people leave in the first place. "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article <ae1c4a7382243bfb879a3a4ad2269095@news.teranews.com>: > > Exactly.. and why should they? > > I could think of several legitimite reasons. In fact, billing issues could > be the reason some people leave in the first place. But also, if they didn't it would leave the door wide open for theft of services yet keeping you number. So, I sign up for service with SprintPCS. I get activated with a great number. Since I have good credit, I'm given a $600 temp. limit. I sign up for a $100/month plan, so after taxes, thats $125. If I never pay my bill, I'll have service for roughly 4-5 months (I know someone who racked up a $8000 bill and it took SprintPCS 6 months to turn her off). Sprint turns me off. Since I don't have to have my bill clear, I head over to Verizon. I still have good credit, so I sign up with them, don't pay my bill for a few months until I get turned off. Head to Cingular, rince and repeat. This happens a lot more than most people realize. > "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article > <ae1c4a7382243bfb879a3a4ad2269095@news.teranews.com>: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com] I can definitely see it both ways. From a company's standpoint, it's a no brainer, but I could see some people getting screwed by it, too. "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article <899b4c5bb43bb58fbefd61649ce8b67a@news.teranews.com>: > I can definitely see it both ways. From a company's standpoint, it's a no > brainer, but I could see some people getting screwed by it, too. With all the safeguards that are built into WLNP, peopel shouldnt get screwed, unless the create situation in first place... > "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article > <ae1c4a7382243bfb879a3a4ad2269095@news.teranews.com>: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I still have good credit, so I sign up with them, don't pay my bill for > a few months until I get turned off. by this time Sprint hasn't reported you and ruined your credit? If Sprint doesn'r report people to credit agencies for nonpayment why should anyone worry about not paying an Early Termination Fee if Sprint tries to apply such? > Head to Cingular, rince and repeat. > This happens a lot more than most people realize. > [posted via phonescoop.com] they do get reported it's just not immediately. cellular / utility bills are not revolving credit accounts. This varies from carrier to carrier but.... Bad Debt with a Cell Company doesn't hit a credit report until they are disco'd for non pay and 120 days past due. thereafter the company will usually try to collect on their own for about 30 days w/o sending to a credit bureau. After those collection attempts fail, the debt then goes to outside collections where it will hit your credit report. then it will take time to hit the credit report because they are a BUREAU and things take time. It's contingent on when the collection agency sends the file and the BUREAU gets around to updating the file. Remember - these BUREAU's deal with millions of consumer records that each have between 1 to ? trade lines on each credit report - this information is constantly being updated. From personal installments debts, to credit cards, to mortgages, auto loans, and any request for credit a consumer makes. That's a lot of information. And by the way Sprint doesn't ruin your credit - you do, by being a dead beat and not paying your bills. It's statements like those that confirm why the average household carries about 8k in credit card debt for sh.t they have that they don't really need or can't afford in the first place. Signature"Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article <Pearl-FE5E35.13435325092003@news05.west.earthlink.net>: > > > "Justin" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > [posted via phonescoop.com] > they do get reported it's just not immediately. cellular / utility > bills are not revolving credit accounts. This varies from carrier to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And by the way Sprint doesn't ruin your credit - you do, by being a dead > beat and not paying your bills. My bill for two phones and the Vision I used was under $30 this month. And its already paid in full, just like every month. I haven't incurred a late fee or interest charge in over 30 years. > Exactly.. and why should they? Because holding a number hostage will not lessen any carrier's chance of someone not paying a bill. If someone is going to run out, they will run out regardless. I doubt a carrier will be able to keep a number if any bill is not paid, since the carrier will not know that the customer is porting a number till it recieves a porting request from another carrier. After the port is complete the customer's account is still open, but without a number. If a bill or ETF needs to be paid, it will be settled after the number is ported out. Carriers have ways to get their money. >Because holding a number hostage will not lessen any carrier's chance of >someone not paying a bill. But the companies holding a number until the bill is paid WILL result in the number NOT being ported. And you can bet that the bill will have to be paid. Someone pointed me to a FAQ the other day which was not a rendition of the law but someone's genereal idea of how all this might work. It was interesting but did not address the issue of bill payment before porting the number. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>Because holding a number hostage will not lessen any carrier's chance of >>someone not paying a bill. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >but someone's genereal idea of how all this might work. It was interesting but >did not address the issue of bill payment before porting the number. It *did* address the issue of bill payment before porting the number. Whether you wish to believe it is your own decision. You keep claiming that number portability will be the end of civilization, but I guarantee you things will go on and you will continue to complain about other things long after wireless number portability goes into affect. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >You keep >claiming that number portability will be the end of civilization, No, I don't think it will be the end of civilization at all. It is really one more step in the eventual "Lifetime Number" that you will probably see sometime soon. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>You keep >>claiming that number portability will be the end of civilization, > >No, I don't think it will be the end of civilization at all. It is really one >more step in the eventual "Lifetime Number" that you will probably see sometime >soon. Nice to see that you've changed your tune. You're going to get wireless number portability whether you like it or not. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >I doubt a carrier will be able to keep a number if any bill is not paid, >since the carrier will not know that the customer is porting a number till >it recieves a porting request from another carrier. And a quick check of the account will tell them whether it is paid in full or not and whether they will release it or not! -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >>I doubt a carrier will be able to keep a number if any bill is not paid, >>since the carrier will not know that the customer is porting a number till >>it recieves a porting request from another carrier. > >And a quick check of the account will tell them whether it is paid in full or >not and whether they will release it or not! You can believe anything you wish. It was pointed out to you that the carrier cannot prohibit you from changing and a reference was given to you. So far you have said that this is not the case, but you haven't provided anything to refute this that your number will not be released. We're still waiting. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com >It was pointed out to you that the >carrier cannot prohibit you from changing and a reference was given to >you. I was pointed to an opinionated FAQ of sorts. No law was quoted. >So far you have said that this is not the case, but you haven't >provided anything to refute this that your number will not be >released. So far I have offered my opinion - not fact neccesarily - that I believe that this is going to be EXACTLY like the 800 number portability an the land line number portability (where the CLEC pulls the LEC's number). And in these instances, the bill has to be paid prior to the port taking place. I said earlier today in another post that we are simply going to have to wait and see. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >Any carrier will set procedures to protect themselves financially >(several carriers have said wont release account in arrears or such) and >liability wise for calls until proted properly... Except that the FCC ruled in July that you cannot be held hostage by your carrier either for pending charges or the ETF. You are responsible for the charges, but you are not prohibited from going to a new carrier and the older carrier has to abide by the request to port their number to another carrier. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To send an email reply send to GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com |
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