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Migrating back from GSM to TDMA

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Giganews - 04 Nov 2003 05:47 GMT
Group,

We just recently decided to take the plunge, and try AT&T WS GSM network,
with very mixed results.  We're in the San Francisco Bay Area, and found
many gaps in the network, while my old TDMA phone worked reliably almost
everywhere.  (By the way, I hear audible white noise --almost like the
background noise on old, old analog long distance calls of the 70s and
80s -- in the background on many calls -- is this just the nature of GSM, is
it my Nokia handset, or is it ATTWS?

We're going to migrate backwards, but wonder whether anyone can recommend a
newer (and more feature laden) handset than my old Nokia 6160.  Flip or not,
Nokia or Motorola would be my first choices, but I'm open to
recommendations.

Thanks.

Jerry
DJH - 04 Nov 2003 13:35 GMT
I love my 8265, its a great phone - nice size (for TDMA phones), good
battery life.

In article <1tudneGHcsjmoDqiRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
"Giganews" <mrwheelsone.nospam@nospamdotcomcastdotnet.removethis>
wrote:

> Group,
>
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>
> Jerry
SpiceBall - 04 Nov 2003 13:51 GMT
even though the v60 has a notable antenna problem, I still think it
gets the best reception on the AT&T TDMA network.  Calls are crystal
clear for me. v60 can make good calls with 1 bar signal.  Holding the
phone is not as cumbersome to me as Nokia 8260 series.

Decide for yourself, if you want flip - the only TDMA choice is v60i.
If you want Nokia style, the only new TDMA one is the Nokia 3560.  It
seems to have all the features you want, but I haven't seen how big or
heavy it is.  Check out Ebay to get one for $50 but you may be able ot
get one new from AT&T

Good luck, and good choice.  GSM really does suck.  Bad move IMHO for
AT&T to alienate the TDMA folks.  If they were smart they would offer
new TDMA phones for us to upgrade.  I'm going to stick with TDMA
forever - it serves my needs (talking a lot on a cell phone).  I get
reception in all buildings.

> Group,
>
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>
> Jerry
Pmatt - 04 Nov 2003 15:47 GMT
> even though the v60 has a notable antenna problem, I still think it
> gets the best reception on the AT&T TDMA network.  Calls are crystal
> clear for me. v60 can make good calls with 1 bar signal.  Holding the
> phone is not as cumbersome to me as Nokia 8260 series.

What about the new Color V60? It is listed on the AT&T site now. There
was a rumor that they were going to re-engineer the antenna on this
phone. Does anybody know if they did?

> Good luck, and good choice.  GSM really does suck.  Bad move IMHO for
> AT&T to alienate the TDMA folks.  If they were smart they would offer
> new TDMA phones for us to upgrade.  I'm going to stick with TDMA
> forever - it serves my needs (talking a lot on a cell phone).  I get
> reception in all buildings.

Yes, GSM is a not very funny joke. I have really gotten accustomed to
the great features on the 6200 (speaker phone, IR synching,
voice-dialing) -- the only feature it lacks is the consistent ability to
make and receive calls.

Are there any TDMA phones that have those three features, or even the
first two? How about on other carriers?
Dan W. - 04 Nov 2003 15:40 GMT
> Group,
>
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>
> Jerry

You mentioned you were using a nokia.  Perhaps a nokia 6200?  They
have TERRIBLE amounts of white noise and, in my opinion, terrible
overall sound quality.  Not what i come to expect from nokia!  The
SonyEricsson T616 and the less expensive Nokia 3595 are both better
phones, in my opinion, than the Nokia 6200.  Granted, AT&T saw fit to
ADD IN a few extra doses of white noise as "Comfort noise".  Sounds
like crap to me though, i wish it would go away!  TMobiles system is
far more clear, and afterall, isn't that why people bragg on GSM so
much? Crystal clear calls?  Seems as though we are taking a step
backwards by inserting white noise.

However, that's off the point..... With TDMA, honestly, i've found the
1 phone that i REALLY like is the old Nokia 8260.  It's replacement,
the Nokia 8265 is also an excellent phone with excellent reception and
sound qualities.  AT&T is also coming out with a 62xx something series
TDMA phone, basically the TDMA version of the Nokia 6200.  Obviously
since it's not out yet, i cant comment on it's usability, but that
might be something worth looking at.

I've used several Motorola V60i's.  The are good phones, but i think
the build quality has kinda gone downhill on motorolas.  In addition,
the outgoing sound STILL has a bit of a buzzy sound to it sometimes
(Less noticable in 1900 mhz areas).

The Nokia 6360 is an excellent phone.  Kinda big, but still a good
handset.  Likewise the 3560, while being more youth-oriented, is also
a good handset with a decent color screen and very usable features.

If you just want a phone to make and receive calls, and you are not
concerned with any extra features other than perhaps an ocasional text
message, i'd say for TDMA the Nokia 8265 would be my choice, followed
by perhaps the Nokia 3560.
Giganews - 05 Nov 2003 01:23 GMT
Dan,

See my comments added below:

> > Group,
> >
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>
> You mentioned you were using a nokia.  Perhaps a nokia 6200?

Nokia 3650 ... a very cool phone with large color screen and camera.

They
> have TERRIBLE amounts of white noise and, in my opinion, terrible
> overall sound quality.  Not what i come to expect from nokia!  The
> SonyEricsson T616 and the less expensive Nokia 3595 are both better
> phones, in my opinion, than the Nokia 6200.  Granted, AT&T saw fit to
> ADD IN a few extra doses of white noise as "Comfort noise".

I wondered if AT&T WS added it deliberately for "comfort" as you suggest, or
whether it is somehow associated with a weak (but still viable) signal, and
I'd be hearing distortion and crackling on my old 6160 Nokia TDMA phone.

Sounds
> like crap to me though, i wish it would go away!

Agreed.

TMobiles system is
> far more clear, and afterall, isn't that why people bragg on GSM so
> much? Crystal clear calls?  Seems as though we are taking a step
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> since it's not out yet, i cant comment on it's usability, but that
> might be something worth looking at.

Actually, would like to find a phone with color screen, and built in camera
(or at least an add-on camera).

> I've used several Motorola V60i's.  The are good phones, but i think
> the build quality has kinda gone downhill on motorolas.  In addition,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> message, i'd say for TDMA the Nokia 8265 would be my choice, followed
> by perhaps the Nokia 3560.

Thanks for the advice.

Jerry
Pmatt - 05 Nov 2003 01:30 GMT
> ... AT&T is also coming out with a 62xx something series
> TDMA phone, basically the TDMA version of the Nokia 6200.  Obviously
> since it's not out yet, i cant comment on it's usability, but that
> might be something worth looking at.

Do you have pointers to any more information on that phone? That would
be the ideal phone for me. I love the 6200, except for the fact that GSM
reception completely sucks.
SpiceBall - 05 Nov 2003 03:52 GMT
> However, that's off the point..... With TDMA, honestly, i've found the
> 1 phone that i REALLY like is the old Nokia 8260.  It's replacement,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> since it's not out yet, i cant comment on it's usability, but that
> might be something worth looking at.

I am now using my old 8260 phone on account of having my v60 sent to
Motorola for antenna replacement. I have to say I miss it.  I like the
One Touch Dial over Motorola's cumbersome Speed Dial feature. However,
the damn thing has this stupid buzzing sound whenever receiving calls.
I use the headset and it goes away.

I am going to reactivate my v60 and then hopefully search for a cheap
3560.  I will extend with AT&T for 1 more year if they can give me one
for cheap. More for fun - because I haven't had a new phone in quite
some time).

But the point is this:  go back to TDMA is you are having that many
problems.  If you aren't stick with what you got.
John Klug - 05 Nov 2003 05:09 GMT
> The Nokia 6360 is an excellent phone.  Kinda big, but still a good
> handset.  Likewise the 3560, while being more youth-oriented, is also
> a good handset with a decent color screen and very usable features.
My wife has a 6360, and I have a 6160, and I have compared them in
weak signal areas, and frequently hers can make a call and mine
cannot. Also, the 6360 seems to find a signal much faster. The 6160
will seem to take several minutes after turning it on before a call
can be made when roaming on Dobson. You turn the 6360 on, and it
starts working as fast as at home with AT&T.  When in an AT&T area
with a strong signal, I have never noticed any problems with the 6160.

The 6360 can be synced via infra-red to a PC with Outlook. However on
our PC, the sync won't get going until I point my Sony Clie at it and
beam something to the PC. All of the sudden the 6360 will then sync to
the PC. To bad none of the GSM SMS programs work with the 6360.
Ed - 04 Nov 2003 15:52 GMT
> Group,
>
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>
> Jerry

The Nokia 3360. A bit older (what, one year?) but still an excellent TDMA.
Probably can be had for pennies on eBay.
Lena - 04 Nov 2003 23:01 GMT
"Ed" claimed
> The Nokia 3360. A bit older (what, one year?) but still an excellent TDMA.
> Probably can be had for pennies on eBay.

Yes, a very good phone, but it may take 2000 pennies or more to get a decent
one on eBay.  If you can find an original GREY 3360, you would be better
off, as some of the blue ones had bug that were fixed when the greys came
out. (so I heard tell).
--
Lena
lenagainster@hotmail.com
put "hotmail" in the subject line to get through the filters
Steven Scharf - 21 Nov 2003 00:11 GMT
> Group,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Nokia or Motorola would be my first choices, but I'm open to
> recommendations.

I'd be wary of migrating back to TDMA. Just got an e-mail
from another person who reverse-migrated after a few months
on AT&T GSM, and he said that the TDMA network is worsening
in the SF Bay Area, and complained that I needed to update
my web site to reflect this.

All of the carriers that had 800 Mhz TDMA then added 1900 Mhz
GSM, will slowly be minimizing TDMA capacity as they add 800 Mhz
GSM. The good news is that this will greatly improve the GSM
network for those that have 800/1900 Mhz GSM phones (or quad
band world phones. The bad news is that the old TDMA network
will get steadily worse.

I have two relatives on AT&T TDMA that are waiting for 11/24,
and they initially thought of sticking with AT&T TDMA and just
getting new phones, but this appears to not be a good plan
anymore. For the San Francisco Bay Area Verizon's going to be
the only viable choice until AT&T gets its act together in GSM.

Steve
http://sfbacell.com
Pmatt - 21 Nov 2003 01:04 GMT
> I'd be wary of migrating back to TDMA. Just got an e-mail
> from another person who reverse-migrated after a few months
> on AT&T GSM, and he said that the TDMA network is worsening
> in the SF Bay Area, and complained that I needed to update
> my web site to reflect this.

I just migrated from GSM back to TDMA in Seattle. Reception is much much
much much much better. I have been back about a week, I have not missed,
dropped, or been unable to make a single call. I had at least one of
those three at least once per day on GSM with the Nokia 6200.

I would highly recommend the brand-new Nokia 6560 as a TDMA phone if you
are going back. I believe it is the only "full featured" TDMA phone ATT
carries --  speakerphone, infrared, voice dialing, nice color screen,
java, etc. Note that the PC Synch software for it is not out yet, so you
can't actually use the infrared quite yet.
Bill Radio - 21 Nov 2003 05:23 GMT
Steven,
I am also receiving notes of the deterioration of AT&T's TDMA network in
several western cities.  While I haven't used AT&T GSM, I too have noticed a
reduction in service on my AT&T TDMA phone.

At first I thought there was a couple of cell sites malfunctioning, but
after happened several times, I am convinced that some TDMA channels have
been lost, converted to GSM use.  The result should be that GSM is getting
better, and TDMA may be getting worse, but what I'm hearing is that both are
slipping into a state of mediocrity.

If GSM isn't cutting it, there's no reason not to switch back to TDMA.  It
beats paying an Early Termination Fee.  But don't expect the TDMA network to
be as good as it was.

Why isn't Cingular having the same problems while going through a similar
conversion?

-Bill

"Steven Scharf" <scharf@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> I'd be wary of migrating back to TDMA. Just got an e-mail
> from another person who reverse-migrated after a few months
> on AT&T GSM, and he said that the TDMA network is worsening
> in the SF Bay Area,
 
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