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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / February 20043 how good is it?
3 how good is it? Can anybody give an opinion. > 3 how good is it? > > Can anybody give an opinion. Coverage in Melbourne isn't too bad now, good value on services, customer support is quite poor tho. Took 8+ hours before my account was even recognized at their customer support and before I could use the network. >3 how good is it? > >Can anybody give an opinion. Despite all the bad publicity it's pretty darn good. I've been using it HEAVILY (on a $99 capped plan) since the end of November. Granted it would be nice if the handset was smaller but it really doesn't make sense to stay with Telstra, Optus or Vodafone when call rates are so attractive. Even the SMS @ 15¢ each can't be faulted. I avoid calling customer service, I just use this page <http://www.three.com.au/index.cfm?section=Care&pid=489&pageid=447> as those emails are answered from within Australia and they DO know what they're talking about. When one does call customer service and speaks to someone in India... well, I'd rather be speaking to someone in Australia for a whole heap of reasons but hey... It's not that bad really. My other pet gripe (though not really a problem) is that they roam onto Vodafone. I wish it were Optus (Telstra is overrated). I'd also like access to online call preview and am told that's in the works. Prob my fav feature is the ability to download voice mail and fax messages to my email client as attachments and store them for archive purposes. You actually get POP access to the 3 message centre (as well as web and phone access via 333). Their voice mail system READS email messages back to you. Great if you're on the road, in the car etc and don't have time to LOOK at the screen or get to a web connected PC. I'm a tough customer to please - I have to say that I'm VERY happy with 3 Mobile. Why support the incumbents? If the handset doesn't worry you too much and you want cheap call rates, why not go with Orange instead? You can get 11 cent SMSs. Plus the coverage with Orange would be better and would roam onto Telstra CDMA! Graham. > >3 how good is it? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > doesn't make sense to stay with Telstra, Optus or Vodafone when call > rates are so attractive. Even the SMS @ 15¢ each can't be faulted. The SMS rate is the best feature about the whole package > Why support the incumbents? horses for courses really >The SMS rate is the best feature about the whole package 11¢ SMS are still available on existing plans with Orange. Look at the soon to come Nokia 7600. A friend is importing them in and arriving very soon. Will post some news once I have a chance to test it out. =bob= > Granted it would be nice if the handset was smaller but it really > doesn't make sense to stay with Telstra, Optus or Vodafone when call > rates are so attractive. Even the SMS @ 15¢ each can't be faulted. >Look at the soon to come Nokia 7600. >A friend is importing them in and arriving very soon. >Will post some news once I have a chance to test it out. Look on the 3 web site. They're already available. I have got one in the UK. The first Nokia I have used and it is very good. Able to send pics, music etc via bluetooth, IR etc direct from the phone. The previous Nokia I had, the 7250 did not allow this. I had to use the computer to transport pics etc. Also the Dual GSM and WCDMA capability is cool! I use this phone on all networks in the UK. Not really sure how that applies to Aus but just thought I'd add an opinion Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. The current deal is still v good. Ignore the down in the mouth comments from non-users. 100K users & rapidly rising ... it's your choice! > 3 how good is it? > > Can anybody give an opinion. >Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever >in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. > >The current deal is still v good. Ignore the down in the mouth comments from >non-users. 100K users & rapidly rising ... it's your choice! Yes, the current deal is still good though because of the change in call rates you actually get less minutes for your cap of $99 (when compared to the older plans). I'm on 9¢ per 30 seconds capped at $99 so I get to use $540 before the acceptable use policy says I'm not being acceptable by going over 3000 minutes. With the current "Hot for 3" plan, you have to start paying after $500 which means you get 1000 minutes for your $99. Compare that to what you're paying on Telstra, Optus or Vodafone and you'll be crying. The best thing is the cap isn't limited to peak or off-peak... it's anytime. Theoretically I could go over $540 and hope that no-one complains that I've breached the policy. The good thing is that each bill (over $99) shows you how many talk cap minutes you used. Ohh, it does sh.t me that SMS is not yet itemised. I like the 15¢ per message though! <http://www.three.com.au/> Is 3 GSM based? Could I use, say a Nokia 6600 on the 3 network? I reckon the 3 phones are bloody ugly! 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. > Is 3 GSM based? Could I use, say a Nokia 6600 on the 3 network? I reckon > the 3 phones are bloody ugly! > > 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. 3 is based on GSM-UTRAN technology, not GSM-GERAN (Vodafone, Telstra, Optus). The radio interface link (RAT) is completely different meaning the 6600 will not work on the Three network itself (but may accept the USIM and roam to Vodafone). >The radio interface link (RAT) is completely different meaning the 6600 will >not work on the Three network itself (but may accept the USIM and roam to >Vodafone). Why is it that even the most basic and oldest GSM phones work on 3? I think you will find that 3G / GSM 2000 / UMTS networks can be backwardly compatible to GSM 900/1800/1900. But if "three" is not setup like that.. Then you are most likly logging onto the VodaFone network.. Not "Three's" 3G network. Hence any GSM 900 handset (as long as it can read the USIM) should work. Tim > Why is it that even the most basic and oldest GSM phones work on 3?  SignatureTim Merrell *NEW* E-Mail: timm@mrvfone.com.au Webmaster / Editor Tim's Unofficial VodaFone Australia GSM Web Page *NEW ADDRESS* http://www.mrvfone.com.au Tim's Mini Sega System Tech Site http://www.mrvfone.com.au/sega/ >I think you will find that 3G / GSM 2000 / UMTS networks can be >backwardly compatible to GSM 900/1800/1900. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Hence any GSM 900 handset (as long as it can read the USIM) should work. Ughh, sorry.. was half asleep when I posted earlier. I am with Optus, and am on the VIP $99 plan. They put me on this after I spoke with them about moving to 3. This is their equvilant of the 3 plan(old one). Anyway, I get $200 (around 700min)worth of calls for $99 per month. But my call charges average out about 28c per min. And what I don't use rolls over to the next month and so on for 3 months. I did a bit of calculating with my latest bill, and I was way in front compared to what I would have paid on 3, with their new plan. Not sure what Optus offer now...... But might be worth looking into it. SignatureRegards Jamie Wilson > >Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever > >in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > <http://www.three.com.au/> >I am with Optus, and am on the VIP $99 plan. They put me on this after I >spoke with them about moving to 3. This is their equvilant of the 3 plan(old >one). Anyway, I get $200 (around 700min)worth of calls for $99 per month. >But my call charges average out about 28c per min. And what I don't use >rolls over to the next month and so on for 3 months. Interesting that this VIP $99 plan isn't listed in their Standard Form of Agreement Documents. What are the exact details? You mentioned 700 mins... is that quoted in your plan? As mentioned, I get 3000+ minutes at 9¢ per minute which makes your plan not "equivalent" at all. Hi Charlie, Yeah, It is not openly offered. And no that 700min isn't stated, just roughly what I worked out to give a comparison. Certainly not as good as the deal you got. I missed out on that one by one day. Bummer! It was to combat the $99 for $200 worth of calls that was offered a while back. I don't have the exact details now, but I remember it was pretty much cent for cent the same as the 3 plan. But offered a roll over plan also. I had a quiet couple months and ended up with $355 worth of call credits 8-). I now don't use my home line for STD anymore.... SignatureRegards Jamie Wilson > >I am with Optus, and am on the VIP $99 plan. They put me on this after I > >spoke with them about moving to 3. This is their equvilant of the 3 plan(old [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > get 3000+ minutes at 9¢ per minute which makes your plan not > "equivalent" at all. >Hi Charlie, > >Yeah, It is not openly offered. And no that 700min isn't stated, just >roughly what I worked out to give a comparison. Certainly not as good as the >deal you got. I missed out on that one by one day. Bummer! Lots of not "openly offered" plans are listed in the SFoA documents. If it's not listed there then you must have signed an individual contract that details the prices. From the sounds of it you haven't even got that. >It was to combat the $99 for $200 worth of calls that was offered a while >back. I don't have the exact details now, but I remember it was pretty much >cent for cent the same as the 3 plan. But offered a roll over plan also. I >had a quiet couple months and ended up with $355 worth of call credits 8-). >I now don't use my home line for STD anymore.... If you call costs are capped then there is no need for a "rollover" as there's nothing to rollover as there are no included calls. >Hi Charlie, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >had a quiet couple months and ended up with $355 worth of call credits 8-). >I now don't use my home line for STD anymore.... Well the details are: There's a number of variations (none of which are as good as the 3 deal): Main plan: $99 per month includes $200 worth of calls at 15¢ per 30 seconds with a 24.2¢ flag-fall. Not taking into consideration any flag-fall charges, that $99 includes 666 minutes. The other offers are as above but instead of including $200 worth of calls, customers may choose from: [1] The day promo wihich is something like 30¢ for 10 mins to fixed line numbers during peak time [2] The night promo offer which is 30¢ for 10 minutes to any Australia fixed or mobile number [3] The weekend promo (all the above 1, 2 & 3 are what's on offer on the current set of consumer plans. Every permutation of the $99 deal includes 'yes' Time. The Optus offer is a far cry from the 3 pricing. You'd be better off on the new "Hot for 3" plan. I wonder if Telstra made any selective offers" Michael, any details? HI Charlie, Yes, that is the plan I am on. But how can you say the deal I am on is a "far cry" from what 3 are offering right now!? Sure I don't get as many minutes per month, but my charges per min are 30c as apposed to 50c with 3. That's 40% less. Now you say I have 666 min per month compared to 1000 min on 3. Well if you use the same ratio I am 66 min in front! Plus if I have a quiet month, and up to now I haven't used $200 worth of calls in a month, I see the benefit the following month. I think its better than you are giving it credit for. Or am I missing something? SignatureRegards Jamie Wilson > >Hi Charlie, > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I wonder if Telstra made any selective offers" Michael, any details? > I am with Optus, and am on the VIP $99 plan. They put me on this after I > spoke with them about moving to 3. This is their equvilant of the 3 plan(old [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not sure what Optus offer now...... But might be worth looking into it. That plan is now discountinued > > >Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best > ever [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > <http://www.three.com.au/> Ahh, probably due to the fact that 3 no longer offer the corresponding deal. Should have thought of that. But I would think they would still offer something similar to the new "hot for 3" deal!? SignatureRegards Jamie Wilson > > I am with Optus, and am on the VIP $99 plan. They put me on this after I > > spoke with them about moving to 3. This is their equvilant of the 3 [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > > > <http://www.three.com.au/> > 100K users Lie. > & rapidly rising ... An even bigger lie. > it's your choice! It is indeed. And hardly anyone is choosing them. Funny that. Hilarious actually. Hey arse refer to Hutchinson's recent company results to Dec 2003 media release stating 100k customers! In AnotherRodSpeedExcretion > > 100K users > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > refer to Hutchinson's recent company results to > Dec 2003 media release stating 100k customers! They're lying, fuckwit. Many of those have f.cked off because the service isnt satisfactory. > > > 100K users > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. Companies don't lie like you, since they are accountable to the public, shareholders, regulators etc. You are pathetic! In Another Rod Speed Excretion > > refer to Hutchinson's recent company results to > > Dec 2003 media release stating 100k customers! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > Companies don't lie like you, since they are accountable to the public, > shareholders, regulators etc. You are pathetic! Rubbish. You can measure customers as SIOs (services in operation) Many of those customers who "f.cked off" might have bought the handset outright and have just stopped using the SIM. So they are still listed as an active SIO I dont use my 3G phone more than $1 per month So I am listed a "customer" when I am not really. The major carriers, T, O and V seperate their SIOs into active SIOs and inactive SIOs (customers on sim onlies who dont make calls, expired prepaids not yet disconnected). For example last qtr voda connected 50 000 new customers but 52 000 services went inactive. now thats crap...of course they lie....have you forgotten what happened to the US over a year ago... not that the stupid americans did anything about it....they just continue to get shafted up their a.s... and do you know no one has gone to jail for lying on behalf of a public listed company here in australia? name one person that has been to jail... after all monkeys today think coroprations are above the law.... personally...burn the lying f.ckers down....then shoot the monkeys .... cheers ;) > Companies don't lie like you, since they are accountable to the public, > shareholders, regulators etc. You are pathetic! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > now thats crap...of course they lie....have you > forgotten what happened to the US over a year ago... > not that the stupid americans did anything about it.... > they just continue to get shafted up their a.s... > and do you know no one has gone to jail for lying on > behalf of a public listed company here in australia? Wrong again. Quite a few have, actually. Including Herscu, Bond etc etc etc. > name one person that has been to jail... Herscu, Bond etc etc etc. > after all monkeys today think coroprations are above the law.... > personally...burn the lying f.ckers down....then shoot the monkeys .... > > Companies don't lie like you, since they are accountable to the public, > > shareholders, regulators etc. You are pathetic! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. read this then Rod... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111954,00.html > > now thats crap...of course they lie....have you > > forgotten what happened to the US over a year ago... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > read this then Rod... > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111954,00.html Hey? What's that got to do with the price of fish in China? That's talking about prosecuting Enron executives. Tim now theres a mother of all morons.... follow the thread mate.... they lied....now there finding it hard to put that head-huncho prick in jail... as if you have any clue anyway.... > > read this then Rod... > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tim > now theres a mother of all morons.... > > follow the thread mate.... they lied....now there finding it hard to put > that head-huncho prick in jail... Clue for you Enron = USA Here = Australia So your link about Enron (US) have nothing to do with "no one in AUSTRALIA has been put in jail for lying on behalf of an australian company" > as if you have any clue anyway.... Your ignorance is showing its about companies lying ...far out you monkeys have short memories.... wot stupid morons u aussies r too......explains why in the mid 80s australia was rated 5th in the world as far as IQ standings go....now there equal 17th place with america see what happens when you suck american cock..... you become like em... > > now theres a mother of all morons.... > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your ignorance is showing No it's not it's about ARSE lying! (Check AnotherRodSpeedExcretion re Hutchinson's press release re 3 having 100k subscribers.) > its about companies lying ...far out you monkeys have short memories.... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Your ignorance is showing > read this then Rod... > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111954,00.html Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether some of ours have been jailed, fuckwit. > > > now thats crap...of course they lie....have you > > > forgotten what happened to the US over a year ago... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. weekend detenton isnt jail mate....and the terms they served..... a person punching on a plastic keyboard gets more jail time than them... you can screw millions here in aussie land....and ull get time for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches b4 u get out....(thats for the americans to understand) > > read this then Rod... > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. Some silly little pig ignorant fuckwit desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message news:c143u6$13p1$1@otis.netspace.net.au... > weekend detenton isnt jail mate.... Herscu and Bond didnt get weekend detention, you stupid pig ignorant dud. > and the terms they served..... Years in both cases, you stupid pig ignorant dud. > a person punching on a plastic keyboard > gets more jail time than them... Not a f.cking clue, as always. > you can screw millions here in aussie land.... > and ull get time for peanut butter and > jelly sandwiches b4 u get out.... Not a f.cking clue, as always. > (thats for the americans to understand) Pathetic, really. > > > read this then Rod... > > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > weekend detenton isnt jail mate....and the terms they served..... Weekend detention is jail > and do you know no one has gone to jail for lying on behalf of a public > listed company here in australia? Rubbish > Companies don't lie Have fun explaining one.tel, HIH, FAI, GIO, NRMA etc etc etc, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit. > since they are accountable to the > public, shareholders, regulators etc. Wota pig ignorant fuckwit. Even you must have noticed one.tel, HIH etc, even if your head is so far up your lard arse that you managed to miss all the rest. > > > refer to Hutchinson's recent company results to > > > Dec 2003 media release stating 100k customers! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. Just comparing them to the average arse-hole, who's not accountable at all! > > Companies don't lie > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Funny that. Hilarious actually. > Hey arse refer to Hutchinson's recent company results to Dec 2003 media > release stating 100k customers! And something like 350 000 "Orange" customers, making a pathetic customer base of 450k when telstra have 6.5 million and optus 5.5 million > Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever > in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. > > The current deal is still v good. Ignore the down in the mouth comments from > non-users. 100K users & rapidly rising ... it's your choice! There are a lot of "down in the mouth" comments coming from users, not just non-users 100k users after 6-8 mths? Not very good compared to 6.5 million for Telstra, plus 5.5 for Optus etc So what should the first 3rd generation mobile network have achieved? All those old 2nd generation GSM companies are taking quite a while to setup for their first customer on 3G. > > Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever > > in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 100k users after 6-8 mths? Not very good compared to 6.5 million for > Telstra, plus 5.5 for Optus etc > So what should the first 3rd generation mobile network have achieved? A hell of a lot more subscribers than 100k when the top two nets cover 12 million SIOs > Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever > in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. > > The current deal is still v good. Ignore the down in the mouth comments from > non-users. 100K users & rapidly rising ... it's your choice! I think the figure is more between 50,000-80,000 users. They still aim to have over 1,000,000 on 3 and Orange by the end of 2005. And they claim to be on track. I think they are seriously dreaming. They also recorded a nice big net loss again ! Bigger than the last year as well ! > > 3 how good is it? > > > > Can anybody give an opinion. www.Hutchinson.com.au states the results for 2003 show 340k for Orange & 100k for 3 (up to mid Feb) = 440k and you think 1 million customers are not likely by end of 2005! I think 3's service is good for the metropolitan areas, the price is very competitive and the data, video & voice technology is a generation ahead of GSM. Just wait for the old GSM players to catch up this year & next ... > > Very good all over Brisbane. Their original $99 cap deal was the best ever > > in Austn mobile history ... no need for a landline. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > > Can anybody give an opinion. > www.Hutchinson.com.au states the results for 2003 show 340k for Orange & > 100k for 3 (up to mid Feb) = 440k and you think 1 million customers are not > likely by end of 2005! There is no way they can move their customer base from 440k to 1m by the end of 2005 Maybe with a wider handset range and competition from the slower developing networks Hutchinson 3 will achieve a lot more this year. Add positively to the debate instead of such down in the mouth stuff. I believe you work for Telstra or some such but that's no excuse for such negativity. > > www.Hutchinson.com.au states the results for 2003 show 340k for Orange & > > 100k for 3 (up to mid Feb) = 440k and you think 1 million customers are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There is no way they can move their customer base from 440k to 1m by the end > of 2005 > Maybe with a wider handset range and competition > from the slower developing networks Hutchinson 3 > will achieve a lot more this year. Pigs might fly, too. They've already got the suckers who will piss their money against the wall on dud, there aint enough more of those to save their bacon now. > Add positively to the debate You wouldnt know what a debate was if it bit you on your lard arse, child. And you've never ever 'added positively' to anything in your pathetic excuse for a 'life' to anything except the dunny. > instead of such down in the mouth stuff. Just the real world, child. > I believe you work for Telstra Just in the telstra dunnys. > or some such but that's no excuse for such negativity. Pathetic, really. Cant manage the real world ? Top yourself, child. > > > www.Hutchinson.com.au states the results for 2003 show 340k for Orange & > > > 100k for 3 (up to mid Feb) = 440k and you think 1 million customers are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > end > > of 2005 I've worked it out ... it's Michael's ARSE! In AnotherRodSpeedExcretion > > Maybe with a wider handset range and competition > > from the slower developing networks Hutchinson 3 [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > end > > > of 2005 > Maybe with a wider handset range and competition from the slower developing > networks Hutchinson 3 will achieve a lot more this year. Add positively to They might achieve going broke, but we will see about that 50/50 i guess at this stage Telstra's a mess ... likely to go broke first ... say 60/40 at this stage! > > Maybe with a wider handset range and competition from the slower > developing > > networks Hutchinson 3 will achieve a lot more this year. Add positively to > > They might achieve going broke, but we will see about that > 50/50 i guess at this stage Hahaha yep sure they will be > Telstra's a mess ... likely to go broke first ... say 60/40 at this stage! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > They might achieve going broke, but we will see about that > > 50/50 i guess at this stage "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > Telstra's a mess ... likely to go broke first ... Yeah. They've only got about $60 billion in assets and annual revenue of $20 billion. Fuckwit. SignatureKwyj. (Remove your panties to reply by email) I didn't start the trivia, but that's about the same revenue as Hutchison Whampoa (who are a little more diversified & entrepreneurial). > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Fuckwit. > I didn't start the trivia, but that's about the same revenue as Hutchison > Whampoa (who are a little more diversified & entrepreneurial). Not a f.cking clue. As always. > > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Fuckwit. Trivial arse (-hole) as always! > > I didn't start the trivia, but that's about the same revenue as Hutchison > > Whampoa (who are a little more diversified & entrepreneurial). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > > > Fuckwit. "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > I didn't start the trivia, But you did start making the ridiculous claims.... > but that's about the same revenue as Hutchison > Whampoa Which is totally irrelevant. 3 *is not* Hutchison Whampoa. It is a subsidiary of them, and they will not continue to pour money into it when/if it becomes obvious that it will never turn a profit. Telstra has that revenue and *is* turning a profit. > (who are a little more diversified & entrepreneurial). "entrepreneurial" simply means they try to implement more new products. Some are brilliant, some are dogs. The ones that work become mainstream and are kept. The ones that flop are killed off before they bankrupt the rest of the company. It's Darwins theory of evolution at work in the business world. It remains to be seen whether or not 3 will be a success, but so far it appears to be heading for extinction. SignatureKwyj. (Remove your panties to reply by email) > I didn't start the trivia, but that's about the same revenue as Hutchison > Whampoa (who are a little more diversified & entrepreneurial). Hutchison Whampoa DOES NOT EQUAL Hutch Australia You think Hutch Whampoa is going to let Hutch Aust bankrupt them? Nope, they will just drift em off and fall into insolvency In spades with Ansett / Air New Zealand > Telstra's a mess ... likely to go broke first ... say 60/40 at this stage! Ho ho ho, Telstra likely to go broke. More chance of your arse exploding |
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