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Optus Coverage Update

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J Doe - 20 Feb 2004 11:43 GMT
For the Months of Jan & Feb

Stuart Mill                      VIC

MacClesfield                  VIC
Coleraine                       VIC

Derby                            VIC

St Kilda ESP1800          VIC

Ardno                            VIC

Castlemaine                  VIC

Carapook                      VIC

Mangalore                     VIC

Patho                            VIC

Marysville Town              VIC

Corryong                         VIC

Cranbourne 1800             VIC

Londonderry Sth             NSW

Moorepark 1800             NSW

Redfern Sth 1800            NSW

Wisemans Ferry             NSW

Villawood Centre             NSW

Tilba Tilba                       NSW

Bermagui                        NSW

Roley Stone Sth              WA

Whidlow East                 WA

St Johns God Hospital    WA

So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
Paul Wright - 20 Feb 2004 12:03 GMT
sweet another two bases near me that telstra have limited coverage on, go
optus!

> For the Months of Jan & Feb
>
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>
> So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
J Doe - 20 Feb 2004 13:40 GMT
Yep they are pushing ahead. Ususually using antenna that is higher than the
telstra one's in regional areas to gain better coverage than them

> sweet another two bases near me that telstra have limited coverage on, go
> optus!
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> >
> > So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
Graham - 20 Feb 2004 21:51 GMT
How did you get that update?  Their website still hasn't been updated!

Graham.
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 06:54 GMT
> How did you get that update?  Their website still hasn't been updated!
>
> Graham.

Their website is lacking, however it will be updated around March/April when
they have a list of the new sites planned to the end of December 2004. It's
approaching the end of the financial year for Optus.
Michael - 21 Feb 2004 03:11 GMT
> Yep they are pushing ahead. Ususually using antenna that is higher than the
> telstra one's in regional areas to gain better coverage than them

hardly
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 06:52 GMT
> > Yep they are pushing ahead. Ususually using antenna that is higher than
> the
> > telstra one's in regional areas to gain better coverage than them
>
> hardly

And in what way is that ? Drive tests in the regional areas have proven that
the optus antenna is giving coverage further away from the tower than the
telstra antenna in the same areaa. So I dont think an answer of "hardly" is
right there
Paul Wright - 21 Feb 2004 07:55 GMT
Care to Justify that? there is several locations here that have Optus
coverage and have no Telstra coverage on CDMA or GSM..

I get more coverage off a single base with Optus then I do with Telstra with
out question using the same handset with a different simcard for each
network, Telstra is expensive to use, sh.t customer care (sorry if your a
employee/CSR), Uncompetitive calling offers, the justification of "Coverage"
is getting pretty week, Optus has  lot more coverage in places and seems to
put more cells on there bases to handle load where Telstra couldn't be
"bothered" in off peak times with congestion.

Its quite clear to see that Optus is happy to justify funds to expand there
network while Telstra just lets there's sit and collects the millions of
profit and let there customers wake up slowly and fob off to other networks.
They have expanded there GSM network very little in the last 12 months apart
from expanding demand on a few cells where they "had" to due to super
overloads of traffic. The fact that Telstra is no longer the market leader
in NSW in some of the most popular parts and losing market share rapidly
says it all really, unless they change there plans and start giving a sh.t
it wont just be NSW..

> > Yep they are pushing ahead. Ususually using antenna that is higher than
> the
> > telstra one's in regional areas to gain better coverage than them
>
> hardly
The Family - 21 Feb 2004 10:58 GMT
Optus is also gaining superiority in north-west Vic and eastern SA,
according to a personal drive test I conducted in early Feb over about
2,000km of tarmac.

> Care to Justify that? there is several locations here that have Optus
> coverage and have no Telstra coverage on CDMA or GSM..
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> >
> > hardly
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 15:19 GMT
Yep with another 10 or so base stations to go up still

> Optus is also gaining superiority in north-west Vic and eastern SA,
> according to a personal drive test I conducted in early Feb over about
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> > >
> > > hardly
Michael - 22 Feb 2004 10:49 GMT
> Optus is also gaining superiority in north-west Vic and eastern SA,
> according to a personal drive test I conducted in early Feb over about
> 2,000km of tarmac.

Lol, a "personal" drive test, what a w.nk arse
My sister used to live in Swan Hill and drove a lot for work.
Everyone up there uses Telstra GSM or CDMA
It sh.ts all over Optus, who are just starting to put bases in places that
Telstra HAD OVER FIVE YEARS AGo

See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt just Swan Hill and Mildura, full stop.
w.nkers
J Doe - 22 Feb 2004 12:59 GMT
> > Optus is also gaining superiority in north-west Vic and eastern SA,
> > according to a personal drive test I conducted in early Feb over about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt just Swan Hill and Mildura, full stop.
> w.nkers

Used to live ? how long ago ? in the past 6 months Optus has put up over 70
towers in regional victoria. Go look at the coverage maps w.nk arse !

You really are a tool.

GOOD ON TELSTRA FOR FIVE YEARS AGO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW
Michael - 23 Feb 2004 09:52 GMT
> > See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt just Swan Hill and Mildura, full
> stop.
> > w.nkers
> >
> Used to live ? how long ago ? in the past 6 months Optus has put up over 70
> towers in regional victoria. Go look at the coverage maps w.nk arse !

Big whoopy do, you think that 6 months worth of expansion is going to matter
to people in the NW of Vic?
They wont forget how Optus and Voda continually shafted them for years
J Doe - 23 Feb 2004 11:03 GMT
> > > See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt just Swan Hill and Mildura, full
> > stop.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to people in the NW of Vic?
> They wont forget how Optus and Voda continually shafted them for years

If the price is cheaper and coverage comparable then ye, which is it, people
will. Once agin that's why Telstra is loosing market share to Optus

Simple!
Rod Speed - 23 Feb 2004 20:05 GMT
>>> See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt
>>> just Swan Hill and Mildura, full stop.

>>> w.nkers

>> Used to live ? how long ago ? in the past 6 months Optus has put up over
>> 70 towers in regional victoria. Go look at the coverage maps w.nk arse !

> Big whoopy do, you think that 6 months worth of
> expansion is going to matter to people in the NW of Vic?

Time will tell. That approach does have the big advantage
of not having to fart around with CDMA. It remains to be
seen how many havent bothered to do that already tho.

> They wont forget how Optus and Voda
> continually shafted them for years

Hardly any users care about that stuff.

What they care about is what works now,
specially stuff like the Optarse 5 min call stuff.
Graham - 23 Feb 2004 20:51 GMT
>Time will tell. That approach does have the big advantage
>of not having to fart around with CDMA. It remains to be
>seen how many havent bothered to do that already tho.

If you live in that part of the world, why would using CDMA be
"farting around"?  Optus GSM wouldn't have better coverage than
Telstra CDMA in NW Vic now, would it?

Graham.
Rod Speed - 23 Feb 2004 21:56 GMT
>> Time will tell. That approach does have the big advantage
>> of not having to fart around with CDMA. It remains to be
>> seen how many havent bothered to do that already tho.

> If you live in that part of the world, why
> would using CDMA be "farting around"?

CDMA has always had and continues
to have some very real downsides.

Nowhere near as good a choice of decent handsets.

Nowhere near as good a choice of cheap second hand handsets.

Nowhere near as convenient to have close to free
emergency use handsets, like one in each car in
case you need to call someone if it stops etc.

Nowhere near as convenient a system as the GSM
sim where you can move than around handsets etc.

Nowhere near as cheap if you mostly receive calls etc.

Nowhere near as much choice of plans.

Dont have to bother with a different handset when you
are in the city, particularly with in building coverage etc.

> Optus GSM wouldn't have better coverage
> than Telstra CDMA in NW Vic now, would it?

Nope, but it does have a significant number of
advantages that you only get with the GSM system.
Graham - 24 Feb 2004 07:11 GMT
>Nowhere near as cheap if you mostly receive calls etc.
>
>Nowhere near as much choice of plans.

I always thought the 18 cents for 30 seconds plan, with $15 minimum
spend and 11 cent SMSs was good value with Orange.

>Dont have to bother with a different handset when you
>are in the city, particularly with in building coverage etc.

Is CDMA coverage really that bad in the capital cities?  While I've
never had a CDMA phone, Telstra and Orange have bases everywhere in
Melbourne, and I'd be surprised if the coverage was really dodgy.
That said, I've read posts on here by people saying they can't get
CDMA signal above the eighth floor, etc.

Graham.
Rod Speed - 24 Feb 2004 08:46 GMT
>> Nowhere near as cheap if you mostly receive calls etc.

>> Nowhere near as much choice of plans.

> I always thought the 18 cents for 30 seconds plan, with $15
> minimum spend and 11 cent SMSs was good value with Orange.

That aint available for those who find that GSM doesnt
give them adequate coverage in rural areas unless they
happen to live in one of just two capital citys.

>> Dont have to bother with a different handset when you
>> are in the city, particularly with in building coverage etc.

> Is CDMA coverage really that bad in the capital cities?

It is with Telstra in the worst coverage areas.

> While I've never had a CDMA phone, Telstra and
> Orange have bases everywhere in Melbourne, and
> I'd be surprised if the coverage was really dodgy.

I never said 'really dodgy'

> That said, I've read posts on here by people saying
> they can't get CDMA signal above the eighth floor, etc.

Its worse than just that.
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 08:49 GMT
> >Dont have to bother with a different handset when you
> >are in the city, particularly with in building coverage etc.
>
> Is CDMA coverage really that bad in the capital cities?  While I've

No, but there is less IBC (inbuilding coverage) as there is less demand for
CDMA overall

> never had a CDMA phone, Telstra and Orange have bases everywhere in
> Melbourne, and I'd be surprised if the coverage was really dodgy.
> That said, I've read posts on here by people saying they can't get
> CDMA signal above the eighth floor, etc.

Depends how close the nearest BTS is

> Graham.
The Family - 22 Feb 2004 13:43 GMT
Mikey,

You're living in the past.  And you've proved many times that your horizon
is limited to Melbourbe (have you ever left that sorry rust bucket?)

Things have changed a lot in NW Vic.  Telstra is the carrier with the patchy
coverage in 2004.

Yes, what I'm saying is that Optus NW Vic covers MUCH MORE than Swan Hill &
Mildura.

Take a drive yourself sometime.

What your sister experienced 5 years ago in Swan Hill is irrelevant to 2004
coverage.

> > Optus is also gaining superiority in north-west Vic and eastern SA,
> > according to a personal drive test I conducted in early Feb over about
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> See, Optus, North-West Victoria isnt just Swan Hill and Mildura, full stop.
> w.nkers
Michael - 23 Feb 2004 09:52 GMT
> Mikey,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Things have changed a lot in NW Vic.  Telstra is the carrier with the patchy
> coverage in 2004.

Hardly.
Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA coverage in Vic than any other
carrier.
The Family - 23 Feb 2004 10:51 GMT
> Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA coverage in Vic than any other
> carrier

Stats from 5 years ago Mikey?

We're talking NW Victoria here.

I bet you wouldn't have any idea about the number of Optus base stations and
the Optus coverage in that area.  You have never travelled there, except
maybe on the main road to Mildura I bet.

Get out of your house and out on the road, Mikey.
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 08:43 GMT
> > Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA coverage in Vic than any other
> > carrier
>
> Stats from 5 years ago Mikey?

Now, as of now
Rod Speed - 24 Feb 2004 18:49 GMT
>>> Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA
>>> coverage in Vic than any other carrier

>> Stats from 5 years ago Mikey?

> Now, as of now

You've just plucked the claim out of your arse with GSM
J Doe - 23 Feb 2004 11:04 GMT
> > Mikey,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA coverage in Vic than any other
> carrier.

Yeh in some little remote town in the South East of Vic

In the NW I would have to say Optus is equal to or better than Telstra now
and with another 10-15 towers planned for the next 6 months.
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 08:44 GMT
> > > Mikey,
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> In the NW I would have to say Optus is equal to or better than Telstra now
> and with another 10-15 towers planned for the next 6 months.

Its all catchup
J Doe - 24 Feb 2004 09:47 GMT
> > > > Mikey,
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Its all catchup

Are u stupid ? dumb ? deaf ? or a just a f.cking tool. Yes Telstra HAD
better coverage in the PAST, who gives a sh.t about the past, who cares the
the EA ford was sh.t and the VN commodore was sh.t, people go back and buy
BA's or VX's now dont' they ?

Optus has caught up and is overtaking telstra. deal with it
Rod Speed - 23 Feb 2004 20:05 GMT
> > Mikey,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Telstra has more GSM and also more CDMA coverage in Vic than any other
> carrier.

Bet it doesnt with GSM anymore.
Michael - 22 Feb 2004 10:43 GMT
> Care to Justify that? there is several locations here that have Optus
> coverage and have no Telstra coverage on CDMA or GSM..

And more locations that occur the other way around

> I get more coverage off a single base with Optus then I do with Telstra with

Sorry, youve got no figures to justify that. So your statement is binned

> employee/CSR), Uncompetitive calling offers, the justification of "Coverage"
> is getting pretty week, Optus has  lot more coverage in places and seems to

The word you are probably intending is "weak".

> put more cells on there bases to handle load where Telstra couldn't be
> "bothered" in off peak times with congestion.

Telstra don't have congestion issues the way Optus do, due to YesTime (povs
taking up all the capacity on a BTS)

> Its quite clear to see that Optus is happy to justify funds to expand there
> network while Telstra just lets there's sit and collects the millions of
> profit and let there customers wake up slowly and fob off to other networks.

Telstra - 5.5 million digital custs
Optus - 4.5 million digital custs

Read it and weep

Optuses net profit - was it $500 million a year? Compared to $2.5 billion?
3.5 billion?
Feel free to post figures down to dollar.
Optus are sh.t and doing sh.t
Not as bad as Voda though

> They have expanded there GSM network very little in the last 12 months apart
> from expanding demand on a few cells where they "had" to due to super

You see, its because telstra DONT NEED to expand their coverage a great deal
They had all the coverage they needed 2-3 years ago.
Optus is just catching up
Telstra, further and further ahead

> overloads of traffic. The fact that Telstra is no longer the market leader
> in NSW in some of the most popular parts and losing market share rapidly

They are the market leader, Nation wide.

> says it all really, unless they change there plans and start giving a sh.t
> it wont just be NSW..

Optus shill
Paul Wright - 22 Feb 2004 12:40 GMT
> Sorry, youve got no figures to justify that. So your statement is binned

Where's yours figures to prove you right?

> Telstra don't have congestion issues the way Optus do, due to YesTime (povs
> taking up all the capacity on a BTS)

Bull, I won a case with the TIO against Telstra to let me out of a Contract
with "Mobilenet" from congestion with "FreeChat" and after 9pm it is still
impossible to make a call on Telstra GSM, get your facts straight little
man. This has been current for at least 12 months with no change, Optus has
no congestion in the same times or any others in most places and addresses
any with expanding sells to dual band and adding capacity. The TIO was quite
happy to admit this wasnt the first case and funny enough not long after
there off peak promotions now say subject to congestion, but I thought you
said they didnt have any? Obviously they fill there employees full of
bullshit..

> Telstra - 5.5 million digital custs
> Optus - 4.5 million digital custs
>
> Read it and weep

And Telstras been around for how long and optus how long... Optus didn't
have to spend twice as much and build two networks to get it, give it time
and the figure will be border thin dont you worry

> Optuses net profit - was it $500 million a year? Compared to $2.5 billion?
> 3.5 billion?

Hardly a comparison against the mobile networks, Optus doesn't own 90% of
Australians Phonelines and exchanges handed to them by the government and
get to charge there opposition massive rates for wholesale offerings..

> > They have expanded there GSM network very little in the last 12 months
> apart
> > from expanding demand on a few cells where they "had" to due to super
>
> You see, its because Telstra DONT NEED to expand their coverage a great
deal
> They had all the coverage they needed 2-3 years ago.

Might be nice if they expanded capacity along with it, but they don't

Telstra, further and further behind

> > overloads of traffic. The fact that Telstra is no longer the market leader
> > in NSW in some of the most popular parts and losing market share rapidly
>
> They are the market leader, Nation wide.

Add up all the other networks and its more then Telstra's market share, that
shows Australians would prefer to use another company then Telstra more
times then go with Telstra directly for mobile doesn't it, funny how Telstra
had to launch a massive compain to try and get some of there customers back
in NSW while feeling threatened, yet are the market leader Australia wide..
J Doe - 22 Feb 2004 13:03 GMT
> > Sorry, youve got no figures to justify that. So your statement is binned
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> said they didnt have any? Obviously they fill there employees full of
> bullshit..

Well they probably do if Michael works for them. but good point !

> > Telstra - 5.5 million digital custs
> > Optus - 4.5 million digital custs
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> have to spend twice as much and build two networks to get it, give it time
> and the figure will be border thin dont you worry

Exactly !

> > Optuses net profit - was it $500 million a year? Compared to $2.5 billion?
> > 3.5 billion?
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> had to launch a massive compain to try and get some of there customers back
> in NSW while feeling threatened, yet are the market leader Australia wide..
Michael - 23 Feb 2004 09:52 GMT
> > Telstra don't have congestion issues the way Optus do, due to YesTime
> (povs
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> with "Mobilenet" from congestion with "FreeChat" and after 9pm it is still
> impossible to make a call on Telstra GSM, get your facts straight little

Good for you. You are an isolated case, Telstra GSM just doesnt suffer from
off-peak congestion the way that Optus does

> man. This has been current for at least 12 months with no change, Optus has
> no congestion in the same times or any others in most places and addresses

"No" congestion because they have a lot less customers.

> any with expanding sells to dual band and adding capacity. The TIO was quite

You think Optus invented dual band or somefin ?!

> happy to admit this wasnt the first case and funny enough not long after

In a network with 6.5 million digital customers I am sure that it wasnt the
first case of call congestion

> there off peak promotions now say subject to congestion, but I thought you

Always did say that

> > Telstra - 5.5 million digital custs
> > Optus - 4.5 million digital custs
> >
> > Read it and weep

> And Telstras been around for how long and optus how long... Optus didn't

Telstra GSM has been around for ummm, one MONTH longer than Optus
Source: www.gsmworld.com
Telstra        Live Apr 93
Optus         Live May 93

> have to spend twice as much and build two networks to get it, give it time
> and the figure will be border thin dont you worry

Possibly in 10 years, but I live in the real world

> > Optuses net profit - was it $500 million a year? Compared to $2.5 billion?
> > 3.5 billion?
>
> Hardly a comparison against the mobile networks, Optus doesn't own 90% of
> Australians Phonelines and exchanges handed to them by the government and
> get to charge there opposition massive rates for wholesale offerings..

How is this relevant to the competition of two unhindered mobile networks?

> > You see, its because Telstra DONT NEED to expand their coverage a great
> deal
> > They had all the coverage they needed 2-3 years ago.
>
> Might be nice if they expanded capacity along with it, but they don't

Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
every week

> > They are the market leader, Nation wide.
>
> Add up all the other networks and its more then Telstra's market share, that
> shows Australians would prefer to use another company then Telstra more
> times then go with Telstra directly for mobile doesn't it, funny how Telstra

45% Telstra
55% others

So, roughly half the time people want to be connected with Telstra, and
roughly half the time they want to be connected by one of the other FOUR
networks (O, V, Orange and 3)

> had to launch a massive compain to try and get some of there customers back

No such massive campaign
Graham - 23 Feb 2004 10:10 GMT
>Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
>every week

Where did you get that info?  Can you post it?

Graham.
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 08:49 GMT
> >Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> >every week
>
> Where did you get that info?  Can you post it?

I got it from Telstra, and no I wont post it

> Graham.
J Doe - 24 Feb 2004 09:48 GMT
> > >Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> > >every week
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> > Graham.

More likely took it up the arse from Telstra and is letting the cum dribble
out your arsehole, and wont post it
J Doe - 23 Feb 2004 11:05 GMT
> > > Telstra don't have congestion issues the way Optus do, due to YesTime
> > (povs
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> every week

Would be a pretty small list

> > > They are the market leader, Nation wide.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> No such massive campaign
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 08:49 GMT
> > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> > every week
>
> Would be a pretty small list

Its about 12-16 bases a week on average. Sure beats Optuses 7 a week (one
per day average)
Graham - 24 Feb 2004 09:03 GMT
>> > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
>> > every week
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Its about 12-16 bases a week on average. Sure beats Optuses 7 a week (one
>per day average)

Telstra may extend capacity on 12-16 existing bases per week, but that
doesn't improve coverage, it just expands capacity.  Optus may have
5-6 new base stations activated per week, plus a couple of existing
sites expanded with 1800.

Graham.
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 10:37 GMT
> >> > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> >> > every week
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Graham.

The majority of the sites, 6-7 per week, are new installs
Graham - 24 Feb 2004 10:51 GMT
>The majority of the sites, 6-7 per week, are new installs

So why don't Telstra post them on their website anymore?  They stopped
posting them cause Optus had more every month!

Graham.
Jason - 24 Feb 2004 20:54 GMT
> >The majority of the sites, 6-7 per week, are new installs
>
> So why don't Telstra post them on their website anymore?  They stopped
> posting them cause Optus had more every month!
>
> Graham.

They probably don't post them because they know all the "new installs"
are in existing coverage areas, ie, no new coverage footprint for GSM.

Get back to me when telstra start rolling out GSM gear on existing
CDMA towers where there is currently no telstra GSM coverage.  Telstra
"said" they would not stop rolling out GSM & improving it's coverage
footprint, but as it turns out, that was an obvious lie.

And as for this argument about 5 years ago, let's not forget that
while T & O both started GSM within a month of each other, we all know
who had the deeper pockets, bigger market share, and higher capital
expenditure budgets in those early years, now don't we?  Of course
telstra could skip ahead in those early years - they had the market
share and the capital $ to do it.

Now that Optus are seeing massive double-digit growth, quarter on
quarter, hopefully in years to come there will be a Optus GSM base
alongside every telstra CDMA installation, esp if the feds sell
telstra.  That way, Optus can compete on a level playing field for
federal funding in regional areas.

Jason
Michael - 25 Feb 2004 00:17 GMT
> They probably don't post them because they know all the "new installs"
> are in existing coverage areas, ie, no new coverage footprint for GSM.

Incorrect.
Maldon (TSII) had both new CDMA and new GSM footprint coverage

> Get back to me when telstra start rolling out GSM gear on existing
> CDMA towers where there is currently no telstra GSM coverage.  Telstra

Done and done. Port Fairy, Barwon Heads are examples

> "said" they would not stop rolling out GSM & improving it's coverage
> footprint, but as it turns out, that was an obvious lie.

Nope.

> And as for this argument about 5 years ago, let's not forget that
> while T & O both started GSM within a month of each other, we all know
> who had the deeper pockets, bigger market share, and higher capital
> expenditure budgets in those early years, now don't we?  Of course
> telstra could skip ahead in those early years - they had the market
> share and the capital $ to do it.

So what?
Are we supposed to start playing violins now?
Graham - 25 Feb 2004 02:31 GMT
>> Get back to me when telstra start rolling out GSM gear on existing
>> CDMA towers where there is currently no telstra GSM coverage.  Telstra
>
> Done and done. Port Fairy, Barwon Heads are examples

The GSM base station in Port Fairy central involved a new pole on its own.
It wasn't mounted on an existing CDMA site.  Besides, the dimwits
should've installed the tower there in the first place, rather than with
the Optus tower in the paddock 3-4 minutes from the centre of town!

Graham.
Michael - 25 Feb 2004 07:39 GMT
> >> Get back to me when telstra start rolling out GSM gear on existing
> >> CDMA towers where there is currently no telstra GSM coverage.  Telstra
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> should've installed the tower there in the first place, rather than with
> the Optus tower in the paddock 3-4 minutes from the centre of town!

The two sites have different purposes.
The site in Port Fairy is a low impact tower, the monopole tower looks to be
only 10m tall and is tucked in next to the exchange, which looks like a
little house

The site out of town is to cover the Princes Hwy coming into and going out
of the town
J Doe - 25 Feb 2004 23:42 GMT
> > They probably don't post them because they know all the "new installs"
> > are in existing coverage areas, ie, no new coverage footprint for GSM.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Done and done. Port Fairy, Barwon Heads are examples

Wow areas in which Optus both have GSM coverage too

> > "said" they would not stop rolling out GSM & improving it's coverage
> > footprint, but as it turns out, that was an obvious lie.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> So what?
> Are we supposed to start playing violins now?

Your the one that started ranting about how good telstra was etc etc,there's
ur answer
Michael - 25 Feb 2004 00:17 GMT
> >The majority of the sites, 6-7 per week, are new installs
>
> So why don't Telstra post them on their website anymore?  They stopped
> posting them cause Optus had more every month!

They stopped posting them years and years ago
J Doe - 24 Feb 2004 09:48 GMT
> > > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each and
> > > every week
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Its about 12-16 bases a week on average. Sure beats Optuses 7 a week (one
> per day average)

But if Telstra is so far ahead as you said, why do they need to do so much
work ?
Michael - 24 Feb 2004 10:37 GMT
> > > > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each
> and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> But if Telstra is so far ahead as you said, why do they need to do so much
> work ?

Why do you think new installs are done?
To extend coverage, provide strong Inbuilding coverage, capacity relief
J Doe - 24 Feb 2004 10:45 GMT
> > > > > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded each
> > and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Why do you think new installs are done?
> To extend coverage, provide strong Inbuilding coverage, capacity relief

But all you do is rant and rave that Telstra has the best coverage 5-6 years
ago so why are they still doing work now ? You always say they have the best
inbulding coverage and have heaps of capacity
Michael - 25 Feb 2004 00:17 GMT
> > > > > > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded
> each
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> ago so why are they still doing work now ? You always say they have the best
> inbulding coverage and have heaps of capacity

All to the above.
Telstra's coverage never stays still and always increases to cover areas
never covered before
J Doe - 25 Feb 2004 23:44 GMT
> > > > > > > Ive got the names of the bases that have the capacity expanded
> > each
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Telstra's coverage never stays still and always increases to cover areas
> never covered before

Must be why they post updates on their website all the time ?
J Doe - 22 Feb 2004 13:01 GMT
> > Care to Justify that? there is several locations here that have Optus
> > coverage and have no Telstra coverage on CDMA or GSM..
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Telstra don't have congestion issues the way Optus do, due to YesTime (povs
> taking up all the capacity on a BTS)

True !

> > Its quite clear to see that Optus is happy to justify funds to expand
> there
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Read it and weep

Why shoudl we weep ? Telstra has a million more customers ? Big deal,
biggest is not always the best. but if u want to play those games, Telstra
is losing ground (market share) once again to Optus

> Optuses net profit - was it $500 million a year? Compared to $2.5 billion?
> 3.5 billion?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Optus is just catching up
> Telstra, further and further ahead

POINT IS ?

> > overloads of traffic. The fact that Telstra is no longer the market leader
> > in NSW in some of the most popular parts and losing market share rapidly
>
> They are the market leader, Nation wide.

Says who ?

> > says it all really, unless they change there plans and start giving a sh.t
> > it wont just be NSW..
>
> Optus shill
Craig - 20 Feb 2004 20:52 GMT
>Corryong                         VIC

No Corryong now ? What gives?
J Doe - 20 Feb 2004 21:19 GMT
?

> >Corryong                         VIC
>
> No Corryong now ? What gives?
DJB151 - 28 Feb 2004 04:33 GMT
>>Corryong                         VIC
>
> No Corryong now ? What gives?

Corryong site is up and going. I was there yesterday.
Rod Speed - 20 Feb 2004 21:15 GMT
> For the Months of Jan & Feb
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> St Johns God Hospital    WA

I didnt realise that gods needed hospitals.

You sure it aint a dog hospital and a dyslexic list compiler ?

> So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 06:53 GMT
> > For the Months of Jan & Feb
> >
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>
> > So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p

St Johns of  God Hospital

Just because you're in hospital doesn't mean you can't keep intouch with
family and friends.At our new site Inbuilding coverage is now spreading
across the St Johns God Hospital in lovely Perth.
Rod Speed - 21 Feb 2004 09:08 GMT
> > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4035f1f3$0$15134$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> >
> > > So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p

> St Johns of  God Hospital

Like I said, no such animal as a god hospital.

> Just because you're in hospital doesn't mean
> you can't keep intouch with family and friends.

Dogs cant use mobile phones, stupid.

> At our new site Inbuilding coverage is now spreading
> across the St Johns God Hospital in lovely Perth.

Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.
Thomas 'bacco|007' Baxter - 21 Feb 2004 10:14 GMT
> Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.

No it isnt - http://www.sjog.org.au/
Rod Speed - 21 Feb 2004 19:40 GMT
>> Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.

> No it isnt - http://www.sjog.org.au/

Pathetic, really.
Bergerac - 22 Feb 2004 08:07 GMT
> >> Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.
>
> > No it isnt - http://www.sjog.org.au/
>
> Pathetic, really.

You shouldnt be so hard on yourself Rod...
Michael - 22 Feb 2004 10:38 GMT
> > Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.
>
> No it isnt - http://www.sjog.org.au/

Theres always one who will bite
Rod - 1
Fuckwits - 0
J Doe - 22 Feb 2004 13:04 GMT
> > > Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Rod - 1
> Fuckwits - 0

I am sure there is hundreds more people that would tend to say Fuckwits
(michel and rod) 1 and others 0
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 15:12 GMT
> > > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:4035f1f3$0$15134$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>
> Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.

Dont blame me I didnt' write it. Call up Optus and tell your story to them.
They will care about someone like yourself
Rod Speed - 21 Feb 2004 19:40 GMT
> > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4036ff74$0$28867$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
> >
> > Its actually a dog hospital, stupid.

> Dont blame me I didnt' write it.

Never said you did, stupid.

> Call up Optus and tell your story to them.

Pathetic, really.
J Doe - 21 Feb 2004 23:15 GMT
> > > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:4036ff74$0$28867$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
> Pathetic, really.

Well you said "You sure it aint a dog hospital and a dyslexic list compiler
?"

You was referring to me as I posted it and you made that a question directed
at me with the "?" at the end of it

Stupid
Rod Speed - 21 Feb 2004 23:50 GMT
> > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:40377483$0$29129$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
> >
> > Pathetic, really.

> Well you said "You sure it aint a dog hospital and a dyslexic list compiler ?"

Must be one of those rocket scientist fuckwits.

> You was referring to me

Pathetic, really.

> as I posted it

Pathetic, really.

> and you made that a question directed
> at me with the "?" at the end of it

Pathetic, really.
J Doe - 22 Feb 2004 08:22 GMT
> > > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:40377483$0$29129$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>
> Pathetic, really.

Thanks for agreeing with me :)
Rod Speed - 22 Feb 2004 21:26 GMT
> > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4037e5aa$0$18303$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>
> Thanks for agreeing with me :)

Pathetic, really.
J Doe - 23 Feb 2004 11:05 GMT
> > > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:4037e5aa$0$18303$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 104 lines]
>
> Pathetic, really.

As i said thanks for agreeing
Rod Speed - 23 Feb 2004 20:07 GMT
> > "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:403865b4$0$19707$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
[quoted text clipped - 110 lines]
>
> As i said thanks for agreeing

Pathetic, really.
Graham - 21 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT
>Dont blame me I didnt' write it. Call up Optus and tell your story to them.
>They will care about someone like yourself

hehehe...
thegoons - 22 Feb 2004 20:59 GMT
Does not compute with one base station per day

> For the Months of Jan & Feb
>
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
Charlie Wong - 23 Feb 2004 07:08 GMT
>Does not compute with one base station per day

I think you'll find Optus' advertising says "on average" or somethign
to that effect.
J Doe - 23 Feb 2004 11:08 GMT
> Does not compute with one base station per day

<snip> This was a list actually for the fortnight ending Sunday 15th Feb.
And it's one base station per day on average over the year. This fornight
was 23 stations, so aboive average but over jan it was a lot lower

> > For the Months of Jan & Feb
> >
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> >
> > So yeh they havent' been doing much at all have they?? :p
 
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