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Are private numbers really private?

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GC - 05 Apr 2004 11:52 GMT
A guy from work asked me today if it is possible to somehow get the number
of a person calling you who would normally come up as private number.  (ie
if its a private land line, or if the caller has turned off number sending).
So I thought I would ask the question here.....   Does the callers phone
number stop at the exchange?  Or is it really floating out there, you just
need a way to grab it somehow?

Thanks
Glen
Paul Wright - 05 Apr 2004 12:00 GMT
Its passed on to certain providers who escape the blocking, e.g police,
emergency services, internet providers etc

> A guy from work asked me today if it is possible to somehow get the number
> of a person calling you who would normally come up as private number.  (ie
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> Thanks
> Glen
The Family - 05 Apr 2004 14:22 GMT
In other words, it's pretty much open slather.

> Its passed on to certain providers who escape the blocking, e.g police,
> emergency services, internet providers etc
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> > Thanks
> > Glen
Charlie Wong - 05 Apr 2004 14:35 GMT
>In other words, it's pretty much open slather.

If you know the right people.

Now, on this subject... the calling number is always displayed to
Telstra CSRs even when the calling number is blocked or private, even
when it is another carrier's service. I have tested this a number of
times.

- Try it yourself, dial 1831 132200 and choose something like you want
to connect Calling Number Display (no pun intended).

- Don't key or say your number when prompted to do so.

- When you get to the operator, ask about the product and when they
move into sales made after explaining the product features and
benefits s/he will ask for your number.

- Reply with a surprised tone, "Oh, isn't it on your screen?"
(suggesting that you had keyed it into their system) and listen to
their reaction :-)

This matter is currently with the ACA.
Rod Speed - 05 Apr 2004 19:34 GMT
> >In other words, it's pretty much open slather.
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> This matter is currently with the ACA.

Wota f.cking w.nker.
a_dude - 06 Apr 2004 00:14 GMT
and they charge almost 3 bucks a month for this shitty service ...thats not
even remotely 'private'....

> >In other words, it's pretty much open slather.
>
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> This matter is currently with the ACA.
Michael - 08 Apr 2004 00:51 GMT
> and they charge almost 3 bucks a month for this shitty service ...thats not
> even remotely 'private'....

Then dont use it

> > >In other words, it's pretty much open slather.
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> > This matter is currently with the ACA.
Rod Speed - 05 Apr 2004 19:33 GMT
> In other words, it's pretty much open slather.

Not when you call say normal residential
lines tho. There's no way for those to get the
number if the caller chooses to suppress it.

Nothing like open slather in face.

> > Its passed on to certain providers who escape the blocking, e.g police,
> > emergency services, internet providers etc
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> > > Thanks
> > > Glen
Rod Speed - 05 Apr 2004 19:34 GMT
> A guy from work asked me today if it is possible to
> somehow get the number of a person calling you who
> would normally come up as private number.  (ie if its
> a private land line, or if the caller has turned off number
> sending). So I thought I would ask the question here.....

> Does the callers phone number stop at the exchange?

Yes, with normal residential lines etc, its never on the called party's phone line.

> Or is it really floating out there, you just need a way to grab it somehow?

Nope, not with normal residential phone lines.

HOWEVER, fancy ISDN based systems do get the number
regardless. And that includes ISPs for example even with
normal dialup connections from a residential line.
Kwyjibo. - 09 Apr 2004 14:12 GMT
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> HOWEVER, fancy ISDN based systems do get the number
> regardless. And that includes ISPs for example even with
> normal dialup connections from a residential line.

Yep. I'm getting them from the Cisco access point logs at work that are
connected to a pretty basic Onramp 30.

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Michael - 11 Apr 2004 05:18 GMT
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
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> Yep. I'm getting them from the Cisco access point logs at work that are
> connected to a pretty basic Onramp 30.

You are probably paying for MCT though.
Kwyjibo. - 11 Apr 2004 15:43 GMT
"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
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> You are probably paying for MCT though.

Nope. Just a standard OnRamp30 (well, 2 of them actually). No additional
features.

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