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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / April 2004Virgin Mobile
Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than Optus? The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents per 30 seconds, with 20 cent SMSs. Virgin use the Optus network, so do you get "Yes Optus" on the mobile display, or a Virgin slogan? Graham. Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) Old handsets will display yes optus, handsets introduced in the last couple of years just show "virgin" as the network, most error messages and branding is virgin, designed to look like there own network if you didnt know they purchased airtime off optus.. > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than > Optus? The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents per 30 seconds, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham. sorry misread the part about the optus vs virgin.. :) I agree with rods statements about organisation, they seem to lag over optus directly on introducing new services, e.g no gprs etc yet, while optus has had it for ages.. > Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Graham. Ah oddly enough WAP over GPRS does work on Virgin...I have a prepaid SIM in my SonyEricsson Z600. Once Virgin activated MMS the WAP worked as well. I have downloaded games, tunes etc, uses Google. No charge for data (so far)... > sorry misread the part about the optus vs virgin.. :) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > > > Graham. Its never worked for me on my prepay sim, and ive tried every APN and setting you can think of.. No Internet APN on PostPay is there? > Ah oddly enough WAP over GPRS does work on Virgin...I have a prepaid SIM in > my SonyEricsson Z600. Once Virgin activated MMS the WAP worked as well. I [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > > > > > Graham. > Ah oddly enough WAP over GPRS does work on Virgin...I have a prepaid SIM in > my SonyEricsson Z600. Once Virgin activated MMS the WAP worked as well. I > have downloaded games, tunes etc, uses Google. No charge for data (so > far)... Yep, that's right - you can actually use the MMS WAP gateway for regular WML pages. I wrote about this in one of my articles somewhere. > Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) Mate, don't get me started. I'm 500 feet from the Melbourne GPO and my phone is unusable. Around Southbank/Jeff's Shed and Melbourne Uni, I can't take calls. > > Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) > > Mate, don't get me started. I'm 500 feet from the Melbourne GPO and my > phone is unusable. Around Southbank/Jeff's Shed and Melbourne Uni, I can't > take calls. Your phone's broken. I work in the CBD, spend time at the Casino, Exhibition Centre, fiancee used to go to Melb Uni No problems in these areas > > > Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No problems in these areas Agreed. Never had a problem with Optus in the Melbourne CBD (where I go daily) or for that matter in most of Victoria. That's more than I can say about the other 2 networks. > > > > Nothing wrong with the Optus GSM network (waits for flame war) > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > daily) or for that matter in most of Victoria. That's more than I can say > about the other 2 networks. Cant really say Ive had problems on T CDMA/GSM, Voda, Optus anywhere in the melb cbd in the last 3 years > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than Optus? They're pretty disorganised. > The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents > per 30 seconds, with 20 cent SMSs. > Virgin use the Optus network, so do you get "Yes Optus" > on the mobile display, or a Virgin slogan? The slut plasters her sig all over your phone. Likely only a problem for silly little kids. > > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than Optus? > > They're pretty disorganised. Why? >> Graham <support@microsoft.com> wrote >>> Are there are any reasons to not go >>> with Virgin Mobile rather than Optus? >> They're pretty disorganised. > Why? God knows. They appear to 'employ' stupid pig ignorant kids who aint gotta f.cking clue. one.hell was pretty bad like that too. Similar problems with not adequately testing their web sites before they were released to the public too. Thats likely the reason for no GPRS and WAP, stupid kids. > God knows. They appear to 'employ' stupid > pig ignorant kids who aint gotta f.cking clue. Same as Virgin credit card. Give them a call and they go out of their (phony) way to be young, trendy, with it, and pretend to really care. Sickening really. Would much prefer rudeness. At least not so childish.  SignatureIBM = Institute of Black Magic > Give them a call and they go out of their (phony) way to be young, trendy, > with it, and pretend to really care. I encountered that when they first started business, I enquired about their products while looking around, and they put on the "young and trendy" spin in their emails. Unfortunately for them, Optus had a plan with call charges about half of what Virgin was offering. Interesting, no matter which way I would have gone at the time, Optus would still make money (back then Optus owned 50% of Virgin Mobile... is that a lower percentage now?) Albinus. Virgin Credit Card is actually handled by Westpac. Myabe they gave call centerpeople hype lessons when the call comes in on the Virgin line.... >> God knows. They appear to 'employ' stupid >> pig ignorant kids who aint gotta f.cking clue. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Would much prefer rudeness. At least not so childish. > Virgin Credit Card is actually handled by Westpac. Their credit vetting is, I dont know about their customer service though, although the phone number does belong to Westpac. > > God knows. They appear to 'employ' stupid > > pig ignorant kids who aint gotta f.cking clue. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Would much prefer rudeness. At least not so childish. I'll give you the team leaders name. He was pretty damn rude when I spoke to him last. Had the gall to try and enforce a $25 "overlimit" fee, when their stupid server allowed the transaction to go through. Rightfully, he backed down when he was smacked in the face with logic. Stupid turd. > >> Graham <support@microsoft.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thats likely the reason for no GPRS and WAP, stupid kids. No, thats Optuses fault really, they have shitty SP arrangements ... Whats wrong with their web site? Works fine for me >> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote >>>> Graham <support@microsoft.com> wrote >>>>> Are there are any reasons to not go >>>>> with Virgin Mobile rather than Optus? >>>> They're pretty disorganised. >>> Why? >> God knows. They appear to 'employ' stupid >> pig ignorant kids who aint gotta f.cking clue. >> one.hell was pretty bad like that too. >> Similar problems with not adequately testing their >> web sites before they were released to the public too. >> Thats likely the reason for no GPRS and WAP, stupid kids. > No, thats Optuses fault really, they have shitty SP arrangements ... You wouldnt know it it was due to that or not. > Whats wrong with their web site? Works fine for me Pity about how it was when they had just launched. Full of problems. Like I said, they had tested it inadequately before they released it to the public. They'd have to be completely f.cked to have not fixed it by now. Even one.hell was never THAT bad. > The slut plasters her sig all over your phone. > > Likely only a problem for silly little kids. f.ck off Rod, who needs your sh.t? Grow up, baby. Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. > Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be > just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. Calm down Roddles, you will need all your energy when the Solicitor's letter arrives. Save your time and money for the court case. Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. Come in sucker... > > Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be > > just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. > > Calm down Roddles, you will need all your energy when the Solicitor's > letter arrives. Save your time and money for the court case. Won't happen, I guarantee you. > Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. >> Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! > > Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. Precedents do. > >> Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! > > > > Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. > > Precedents do. Not a f.cking clue, as always, fuckwit sucker druggy. > Not a f.cking clue, as always, fuckwit sucker druggy. Hey Roddles, how are those track marks in your arm? Some pathetic little fuckwit sucker druggy desperately cowering behind just what you'd expect from a fuckwit sucker druggy. > > > Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be > > > just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. Most of the Aust system of law is built on UK law. eg: UK precedents are often cited here. "Common Law" is almost all UK. > > > > Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be > > > > just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. > Most of the Aust system of law is built on UK law. Not a f.cking clue, as always. There are huge differences now on all sorts of detail. > eg: UK precedents are often cited here. Not often at all, actually. > "Common Law" is almost all UK. And some states have binned that too, fool. > Not a f.cking clue, as always. Looking in the mirror and talking to yourself again, Roddles? Some pathetic little fuckwit sucker druggy desperately cowering behind just what you'd expect from a fuckwit sucker druggy. > > > > > Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be > > > > > just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And some states have binned that too, fool. You are simply not making sense. Common Law, by definition, is not codified and hence can't be "binned." From whence do your silly notions emanate? > You are simply not making sense. Common Law, by definition, is not codified > and hence can't be "binned." > From whence do your silly notions emanate? Hey, you are talking to Roddles here. Biggest "know all" in Oz! Some pathetic little fuckwit sucker druggy desperately cowering behind just what you'd expect from a fuckwit sucker druggy. > > "The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message > news:407a48fa$1@duster.adelaide.on.net... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > And some states have binned that too, fool. > You are simply not making sense. We'll see. > Common Law, by definition, is not codified and hence can't be "binned." Clearly hasnt got a f.cking clue on that. Do so research and find out about Qld, fuckwit pom. And quite a bit of legislation does in fact replace what was previously only covered by the common law anyway. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've never had a f.cking clue. Michael said.... >> Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Roddles. You're next, >> baby! > > Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. Tell that to Melbourne PC User group and one of its members when this Godfrey chap sued both the group and the fellow over comments that he made in Usenet. No-one's immune from this sort of thing. He may not win, but if he manages to get to court with it, he can cause a bit of heartache along the way... Martin Taylor <mtaylor@myself.com> said > Michael said.... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Godfrey chap sued both the group and the fellow over comments that he > made in Usenet. And there was no precedent set in that particular case. > No-one's immune from this sort of thing. He may not win, but if he > manages to get to court with it, he can cause a bit of heartache along > the way... And it would get laughed out of court straight away now, based on his retaliatory posts of a similar ilk. SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message news:Xns94CADA3EA3EC0ssss@130.133.1.4... > Martin Taylor <mtaylor@myself.com> said >> Michael said.... >>>> Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in >>>> the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! >>> Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. >> Tell that to Melbourne PC User group and one of its >> members when this Godfrey chap sued both the group >> and the fellow over comments that he made in Usenet. > And there was no precedent set in that particular case. >> No-one's immune from this sort of thing. He may >> not win, but if he manages to get to court with it, >> he can cause a bit of heartache along the way... > And it would get laughed out of court straight away > now, based on his retaliatory posts of a similar ilk. Yep, typical stupid druggy. AND it would never fly even without that anyway. Its pure bluff and anyone with a clue about the law knows it pure bluff and just makes an obscene gesture in the general direction of the bluffer. I was hoping this wasnt spelt out tho so that fool would piss lots of its money against the wall finding that out. Kwyjibo. said.... >> Tell that to Melbourne PC User group and one of its members when this >> Godfrey chap sued both the group and the fellow over comments that he >> made in Usenet. > And there was no precedent set in that particular case. Only because the group settled out of court, and for a rather tidy sum too. I heard that the individual skipped the country. Dunno any more about it. Still, if an entity as large as Melb PC can be threatened into settling, and which has/had some rather powerful lawyers as members, with an ex-prez being rather prominent in some big cases in recent times, then how will po folk like us fare if some litigous twat decides to have a go? Martin Taylor <mtaylor@myself.com> said > Kwyjibo. said.... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Only because the group settled out of court, and for a rather tidy sum > too. IIRC it was about $8k. > I heard that the individual skipped the country. Dunno any more > about it. I'm not sure but is this the same prick that sued Telecom New Zealand and Demon Internet in the UK? (both of whom settled out of court) > Still, if an entity as large as Melb PC Which is a non-profit organisation and, despite it's membership, does not have a lot of cash to throw at court cases...... > can be threatened into settling, > and which has/had some rather powerful lawyers as members, with an > ex-prez being rather prominent in some big cases in recent times, then > how will po folk like us fare if some litigous twat decides to have a > go? I noticed he left the person who actually made the post alone. No money in it? SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message news:Xns94CC4EBB5709ssss@130.133.1.4... >> Kwyjibo. wrote >>>> Tell that to Melbourne PC User group and one of its >>>> members when this Godfrey chap sued both the group >>>> and the fellow over comments that he made in Usenet. Their terminal stupidity is their problem. As always. >>> And there was no precedent set in that particular case. >> Only because the group settled out of >> court, and for a rather tidy sum too. Their terminal stupidity is their problem. As always. > IIRC it was about $8k. >> I heard that the individual skipped the country. In your dreams, child. >> Dunno any more about it. > I'm not sure but is this the same prick that sued Telecom New Zealand > and Demon Internet in the UK? (both of whom settled out of court) Sort of. He actually monstered some stupid sheep shagger who was bluffed. >> Still, if an entity as large as Melb PC > Which is a non-profit organisation and, despite it's membership, > does not have a lot of cash to throw at court cases...... And was run by fools who should have told that arsehole to go and f.ck himself. >> can be threatened into settling, and which has/ >> had some rather powerful lawyers as members, Completely irrelevant. >> with an ex-prez being rather prominent in some big cases in recent times, Completely irrelevant. >> then how will po folk like us fare if some >> litigous twat decides to have a go? Anyone with a clue just tells him to go and f.ck himself. > I noticed he left the person who actually > made the post alone. No money in it? Yep. Kwyjibo. said.... > I'm not sure but is this the same prick that sued Telecom New Zealand > and Demon Internet in the UK? (both of whom settled out of court) Yep. Also a newspaper in Canada, and some poor sod in NZ, a student who was forced to donate some dough to this fellow's favorite charity and post a public apology. He was a student apparently. > Which is a non-profit organisation and, despite it's membership, does > not have a lot of cash to throw at court cases...... That's right. It could've taken him on, but the committee decided that it was a huge gamble with membership funds, even if the membership decided to agree on it, and thus was deemed a tad cowboyish to play with other people's money. It'll take someone with balls and deep pockets to take someone like this on, if they're ever sued for libel. I would have liked to see the ISPs concerned to take it on and then see a definate precedent being set. The argument goes along the lines of why should an ISP be held responsible for the content of its customers. Particularly in areas like Usenet, where the offending messages are soon spread world-wide. > I noticed he left the person who actually made the post alone. No money > in it? No, he was sued too. And apparently he skipped the country. Dunno what happened after that. Here's the editorial from the club's magazine regarding this issue: http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/9804/9804article1.htm settled out of court? that means no precedent was set anyway.... weak willed people or organisations who don't fight for their rights.... deserve nothing better than what they get.... if they fought it they would've won...and made Godfrey pay for it.... > Kwyjibo. said.... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > how will po folk like us fare if some litigous twat decides to have a > go? a_dude said.... > weak willed people or organisations who don't fight for their rights.... > deserve nothing better than what they get.... > if they fought it they would've won...and made Godfrey pay for it.... Maybe. However, the costs of fighting it, in an English court, would've cost them around $250,000. A lot of money in anyone's terms, and there was no guarantee of recovering costs. > a_dude said.... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cost them around $250,000. A lot of money in anyone's terms, and there > was no guarantee of recovering costs. a paltry amount if its members are lawyers and high profile people..... shame on them for bending backwards to our civil liberties.... i have no respect for an organisation as weak as that.... cheers ;) a_dude said.... >> Maybe. However, the costs of fighting it, in an English court, would've >> cost them around $250,000. A lot of money in anyone's terms, and there >> was no guarantee of recovering costs. >> > a paltry amount if its members are lawyers and high profile people..... SOME of them are high profile lawyers. The rest are normal people wishing to learn about PCs, and quite a lot of them are retirees. And if the high profile lawyers recommended an out of court settlement, I would imagine that they'd have more idea than you as to how it all could've panned out. > shame on them for bending backwards to our civil liberties.... > i have no respect for an organisation as weak as that.... Well, of course, YOU could take up the mantle for them..... > Michael said.... >>> Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in >>> the UK, Roddles. You're next, baby! >> Sorry, this is Australia. UK law doesnt work here. > Tell that to Melbourne PC User group and one of its > members when this Godfrey chap sued both the group > and the fellow over comments that he made in Usenet. They were stupid enough to cave in to that arsehole's bluff. Nothing to do with the local defamation law. > No-one's immune from this sort of thing. Wrong again. Anyone with a clue just tells fuckwits like that to bring it on, calls their bluff and wins hands down. > He may not win, but if he manages to get to court with it, > he can cause a bit of heartache along the way... Only for fuckwit wimps that know nothing about the law. John Phillips <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> said >> Some fuckwit druggy claiming to be >> just the puerile sh.t thats always pouring from the back of it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ever heard of The "Godfrey" case in the UK, Yep. > Roddles. You're next, baby! So why would Rod get a letter then, stupid? He's not an ISP. SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) The Virgin service is basic. No GPRS, No WAP - both of which are available if you go with Optus (Pre or Post-paid) > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than > Optus? The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents per 30 seconds, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham. > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than > Optus? The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents per 30 seconds, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham. Virgin code the EF_SPN file in the SIM with the name "Virgin" - this causes phones which use the EF_SPN file to use it to override the operator name from the table in the handset. The behaviour of EF_SPN will vary from handset to handset. Older Nokias will "cycle through" the messages by pushing the hangup key. > Are there are any reasons to not go with Virgin Mobile rather than > Optus? The prices of the cheapestr plan are 28 cents per 30 seconds, > with 20 cent SMSs. > > Virgin use the Optus network, so do you get "Yes Optus" on the mobile > display, or a Virgin slogan? Phone dependant, but usually Virgin |
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