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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / April 2004"Project Davis": Telstra mobile/landline price cuts
The Oz IT reports Telstra's new pricing strategy for launch in May/June, featured around 3-min calls across mobiles and fixed lines. --- Telstra signals more price cuts Simon Canning and Michael Sainsbury APRIL 08, 2004 THE marketing crisis at Australia's biggest telco continues to escalate with Telstra hatching plans to unleash a major price drive across all its mobile and landline offerings. The move comes just weeks after it slashed the cost of BigPond Broadband. Media understands plans are well under way for the new marketing push, dubbed "Project Davis", as the telco moves to defend ground ravaged by rivals in recent months. It is believed three of Telstra's four main agencies - Singleton Ogilvy & Mather, Young & Rubicam and George Patterson Partners - are finalising the strategy which is expected to launch in late May or early June. One source describes the move as "a major announcement". The telco is understood to be planning a re-pricing strategy across the board and will base its push on three-minute calls across mobiles and fixed line. Full story at: http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,9220775%5E15346%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15320,00.html > The Oz IT reports Telstra's new pricing strategy for launch in > May/June, featured around 3-min calls across mobiles and fixed lines. > --- > Telstra signals more price cuts > Simon Canning and Michael Sainsbury Those two fools, again. > APRIL 08, 2004 > THE marketing crisis at Australia's biggest telco continues > to escalate with Telstra hatching plans to unleash a major > price drive across all its mobile and landline offerings. Is this where we're all sposed to swoon or sumfin ? I didnt bother the last time, with the previous spectacular footshot on handset pricing and aint about to do that now. > The move comes just weeks after it > slashed the cost of BigPond Broadband. Only at the low end. > Media understands plans are well under way for > the new marketing push, dubbed "Project Davis", Wota stunningly attention grabbing title eh ? Bugger, I'll have to swoon all over again. > as the telco moves to defend ground ravaged by rivals in recent months. Wota f.cking packa w.nkers. Nothing was ever 'ravaged' w.nker. > It is believed three of Telstra's four main agencies - Singleton > Ogilvy & Mather, Young & Rubicam and George Patterson Partners > - are finalising the strategy which is expected to launch in late May or > early June. One source describes the move as "a major announcement". Bugger, does this mean I'll actually have to swoon all over again ? > The telco is understood to be planning a re-pricing > strategy across the board and will base its push on > three-minute calls across mobiles and fixed line. Well whoopy f.cking do. Optarse did that AGES ago now. If this is the best those w.nkers can do, its way past time they topped themselves. > Full story at: > http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,9220775%5E15346%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15320,00.html Not even viable to wipe your arse with. Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below the fees Telstra charges its wholesale mobile/PSTN customers? > The Oz IT reports Telstra's new pricing strategy for launch in > May/June, featured around 3-min calls across mobiles and fixed lines. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Full story at: http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,9220775%5E15346%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15320,00.html > Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below the > fees Telstra charges its wholesale mobile/PSTN customers? Clearly not, as interconnect is based on per minute charges > > Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below the > > fees Telstra charges its wholesale mobile/PSTN customers? > > Clearly not, as interconnect is based on per minute charges From that article "Last month Hutchison was adding up to 9000 customers a week following improvements in handset availability and better network reliability. " That's a lot of customers ! 400,000 pa if it continues, but how many would drop off the network ? Telstra is definitely facing increased mobile competition from "3" (who's drop off rate likely is quite low compared to the traditional carriers) and 3G generally. "3" has also given many the opportunity to do away with the use of landlines, thus competing on two fronts. Telstra needs to cope with competition on all fronts in the next year including VOIP and mobile 3G. See http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/09/1081326925011.html > > > Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's a lot of customers ! 400,000 pa if it continues, but how many would > drop off the network ? "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > Telstra is definitely facing increased mobile competition from "3" Absolute bullshit. > (who's > drop off rate likely is quite low compared to the traditional carriers) Says who? > and > 3G generally. More invented 'facts'. > "3" has also given many the opportunity to do away with the use of > landlines, More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G that even approach those available using DSL technologies. You are sounding more and more like someone who has bought into a dud technology and is deparately trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice.  SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths with no significant problems) and Optusnet cable (cheap bulk fast internet for last 5 years). Hey I'm suggesting Telstra's has some competition, which is reducing all of our rates. Don't be as banal/anal as arse (AnotherRodSpeedExcretia). > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > technology and is deparately trying to convince themselves that they made the > right choice. >I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths >with no significant problems) Yep same here. I really can't fault them. I love downloading my voice mail to my laptop. Really neat for archive purposes (also means you don't pay for listening to your messages and it means you can access your voice mail from overseas via the net). 1. In Outlook, go to Tools > Accounts and use the wizard to add a new Outlook mail account for your 3 email 2. Setup the mail account with incoming mail server address mail.three.com.au and outgoing mail server smtp.three.com.au 3. Use the email address and password of your 3 email service in the Account name and Password fields 4. Select to establish an Internet connection manually 5. After completing the wizard, select the mail account just created and modify its properties 6. Go to Servers, set the outgoing mail server to require authentication and in Settings set it to use the same logon information as your incoming mail server 7. Set the new mail account for your 3 email to be the default Outlook account <http://ask3.three.com.au/answer/SRVS/CGI-BIN/webisapi.dll/,/?St=866,E=0000000000 023461939,K=4175,Sxi=1,case=obj(46592),t=webCase> or see <http://www.three.com.au/documents/MobileInternetOutlook_2000_C4912.pdf> Hey cool Charlie when you use 3 heavily (for business & personal) retrieving voicemail is "free" after $99/mth anyway. Anyway you can use any internet terminal to retrieve voicemail. I find 3's internet rates too expensive even after the recent reduction to 4c & less /kilobyte. I'll try it in a limited way with my full alpha keyboard NEC 808 using a text browser but heavy competition should really come into play soon to vastly reduce this rate. > >I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths > >with no significant problems) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > 7. Set the new mail account for your 3 email to be the default Outlook > account <http://ask3.three.com.au/answer/SRVS/CGI-BIN/webisapi.dll/,/?St=866,E=00000 00000023461939,K=4175,Sxi=1,case=obj(46592),t=webCase> > or see > > <http://www.three.com.au/documents/MobileInternetOutlook_2000_C4912.pdf> Sorry "3" charges 0.4 c /kilobyte or less for internet browsing or data transfer. > I find 3's internet rates too expensive even after the recent reduction to > 4c & less /kilobyte. I'll try it in a limited way with my full alpha [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > 7. Set the new mail account for your 3 email to be the default Outlook > > account <http://ask3.three.com.au/answer/SRVS/CGI-BIN/webisapi.dll/,/?St=866,E=00000 > 00000023461939,K=4175,Sxi=1,case=obj(46592),t=webCase> > > > > or see > > > > <http://www.three.com.au/documents/MobileInternetOutlook_2000_C4912.pdf> >Hey cool Charlie when you use 3 heavily (for business & personal) retrieving >voicemail is "free" after $99/mth anyway. Yep, thanks... I knew that anyway. It't a pity that SMS isn't part of the cap. >Anyway you can use any internet terminal to retrieve voicemail. > >I find 3's internet rates too expensive even after the recent reduction to >4c & less /kilobyte. I'll try it in a limited way with my full alpha >keyboard NEC 808 using a text browser but heavy competition should really >come into play soon to vastly reduce this rate. Yes... though they're much cheaper than the competition. > 6. Go to Servers, set the outgoing mail server to require > authentication and in Settings set it to use the same logon > information as your incoming mail server > > 7. Set the new mail account for your 3 email to be the default Outlook > account Cant remember my email address or password. Hope its on the application form "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths > with no significant problems) Good for you (seriously), but why do you feel the need to continually defend them? Surely if they are so good, their product's would speak for themselves. Making up 'facts' to support your claims just makes your shilling appear childish. > and Optusnet cable (cheap bulk fast internet > for last 5 years). > > Hey I'm suggesting Telstra's has some competition, which is reducing all of > our rates. Agreed, but that has nothing to do with the claims you made below with regard to 3's churn rates. They have never pulished those figures. SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good for you (seriously), but why do you feel the need to continually defend > them? Surely if they are so good, their product's would speak for themselves. Reports seem to indicate "3" is doing quite well now! Various commentators in this newsgroup take a one eyed contrary attitude favouring the incummbants. > Making up 'facts' to support your claims just makes your shilling appear > childish. I try not to make up "facts" as do most commentators here. > > and Optusnet cable (cheap bulk fast internet > > for last 5 years). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Agreed, but that has nothing to do with the claims you made below with regard > to 3's churn rates. They have never pulished those figures. I recall reading low churn rate figures some months ago (sorry I can't recall them ... maybe Aust or UK). I believe Telstra has a considerable churn number especially considering "not for sometimme" users & those going to other networks. The figures would be interesting but I was merely responding to another's claim that many had left "3". Thanks for your considered reply. > Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote >>> I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth >>> at $99 for last 9mths with no significant problems) >> Good for you (seriously), but why do you >> feel the need to continually defend them? Just another stupid kid that's never ever had a f.cking clue. >> Surely if they are so good, their >> product's would speak for themselves. > Reports seem to indicate "3" is doing quite well now! Only fuckwits that aint gotta f.cking clue about the basics like what is a viable return on $3B. > Various commentators in this newsgroup take a one > eyed contrary attitude favouring the incummbants. Or they have managed to work out that unless there is a decent return on the money invested, it aint gunna fly, child. >> Making up 'facts' to support your claims >> just makes your shilling appear childish. > I try not to make up "facts" as do most commentators here. Even you should be able to do better than that pathetic effort, child. >>>> and Optusnet cable (cheap bulk fast internet for last 5 years). >>> Hey I'm suggesting Telstra's has some >>> competition, which is reducing all of our rates. >> Agreed, but that has nothing to do with the claims you made below >> with regard to 3's churn rates. They have never pulished those figures. > I recall reading low churn rate figures some months > ago (sorry I can't recall them ... maybe Aust or UK). Pathetic, really. > I believe Telstra has a considerable churn number especially considering > "not for sometimme" users & those going to other networks. Pathetic, really. > The figures would be interesting but I was merely > responding to another's claim that many had left "3". Pathetic, really. > > Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Pathetic, really. > > > I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths > > > with no significant problems) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in this newsgroup take a one eyed contrary attitude favouring the > incummbants. "Reports", being you and your mate who both bought 3 phones and now need to recoup on your investment Michael check back on the report if you care to read rather than join with the banal/anal arsehole! "3" offered the best ever Australian mobile deal & I took it up (virtually unlimited Australia phone calls @ $99/mth ... no contract). I recouped my investment through real savings in a few months & will save massively for another year+. You are just a Telstra apologist. > > > > I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last > 9mths [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "Reports", being you and your mate who both bought 3 phones and now need to > recoup on your investment > Michael check back on the report if you care to read rather than join with > the banal/anal arsehole! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > investment through real savings in a few months & will save massively for > another year+. You are just a Telstra apologist. Wrong. He is just a Telstra washroom attendant's assistant, and he repeats in here what he overhears in the toilet. > Michael check back on the report if you care to read rather than join with > the banal/anal arsehole! What "report"? its a singular report now, is it? before you said, "reports" ... changing your tune mid stream > "3" offered the best ever Australian mobile deal & I took it up (virtually > unlimited Australia phone calls @ $99/mth ... no contract). I recouped my > investment through real savings in a few months & will save massively for > another year+. You are just a Telstra apologist. Big whoop. I got one at the same time, bought the phone outright. Hardly use it, too many dropouts. When 3 can deliver decent coverage come back and see me > > Michael check back on the report if you care to read rather than join with > > the banal/anal arsehole! > > What "report"? its a singular report now, is it? before you said, "reports" > ... changing your tune mid stream My God how can you with such a Catholic mane during Easter! I was specifically mentioning the one above! > > "3" offered the best ever Australian mobile deal & I took it up (virtually > > unlimited Australia phone calls @ $99/mth ... no contract). I recouped my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Big whoop. I got one at the same time, bought the phone outright. Hardly use > it, too many dropouts. If you live in some God forsaken place without coverage then so be it, I use mine all over greater (urban & suburban) Brisbane. I think you lack the financial incentive to try, since you're in Telstra's pocket. > When 3 can deliver decent coverage come back and see me No one wants to see you, it's just your unsubstantiated putdowns we can do without. > I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 for last 9mths > with no significant problems) and Optusnet cable (cheap bulk fast internet > for last 5 years). > > Hey I'm suggesting Telstra's has some competition, which is reducing all of > our rates. Don't be as banal/anal as arse (AnotherRodSpeedExcretia). Technology, and supply/demand economics, is reducing its rates. Very little to do with competition As you said above, OptusNet Cable has been around for 5 years, and only recently have we seen some reduction in price from Telstra. Just goes to show that other companies activities dont create changes in Telstra's pricing. Telstra leads its price. >> I'm a satisfied user of "3"(given me 2000+ min/mth at $99 >> for last 9mths with no significant problems) and Optusnet >> cable (cheap bulk fast internet for last 5 years). >> Hey I'm suggesting Telstra's has some >> competition, which is reducing all of our rates. > Technology, and supply/demand economics, is reducing its rates. That too. Real competition does too, most obviously with the long distance rates where there is real competition and the line rent, local call rates, where there is sweet f.ck all. > Very little to do with competition Not a f.cking clue, as always. > As you said above, OptusNet Cable has been around for 5 years, > and only recently have we seen some reduction in price from Telstra. Pity its completely different with mobile phones. > Just goes to show that other companies activities > dont create changes in Telstra's pricing. 'goes to show' nothing of the sort. > Telstra leads its price. Hardly ever. > More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G that > even approach those available using DSL technologies. Since right now. You can get 384kbps on Three, which is faster then the entry level DSL plans (256kbps). http://www.three.com.au/index.cfm?section=Explore&pid=1891&pageid=2001\ http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1258 http://www.cpilive.net/news_ver2/inside.asp?wherefrom=search&newsitem=4820041212 2AMNETWORK+WORLD+ME.htm&channel=NETWORK+WORLD+ME Looks like your the one full of bullshit. "3" handsets can now be used as a broadband modem or for direct internet browsing. I think Kwyjibo was refering to the cost which at 0.4c(&less) /kbyte doesn't compete with cable/ADSL (say $4000/gig cf $5-50/gig). I notice SkynetGlobal.com.au wifi offers wireless at much more competitive rates. Surely 3G mobile can/must offer a vast improvement if competition & customer numbers accelerate. > > More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G that > > even approach those available using DSL technologies. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.three.com.au/index.cfm?section=Explore&pid=1891&pageid=2001\ > http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1258 http://www.cpilive.net/news_ver2/inside.asp?wherefrom=search&newsitem=4820041212 2AMNETWORK+WORLD+ME.htm&channel=NETWORK+WORLD+ME > Looks like your the one full of bullshit. > "3" handsets can now be used as a broadband > modem or for direct internet browsing. Only if you're terminally stupid enough to pay their utterly insane rate. > I think Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought. > Kwyjibo was refering to the cost which at 0.4c(&less)/kbyte > doesn't compete with cable/ADSL (say $4000/gig cf $5-50/gig). Must be one of those rocket scientist fuckwits. > I notice SkynetGlobal.com.au wifi offers > wireless at much more competitive rates. Still completely f.cked compared with the landline broadband rates. > Surely 3G mobile can/must offer a vast improvement > if competition & customer numbers accelerate. Not a f.cking clue on that 'can', as always. > > > More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G > that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Looks like your the one full of bullshit. "Brendon" <no@way.man> said >> More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G >> that even approach those available using DSL technologies. > > Since right now. > You can get 384kbps on Three, which is faster then the entry level DSL > plans (256kbps). 384K is the max available on Three. Compare that to the max available with DSL, stupid. Optus are offering 4M/512k connections on ADSL which makes your piss-poor excuse for broadband look pretty pathetic. Even Telstra's 1.5M ADSL connections sh.t on 384Kbps. > http://www.three.com.au/index.cfm?section=Explore&pid=1891&pageid=2001\ > http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1258 > http://www.cpilive.net/news_ver2/inside.asp?wherefrom=search&newsitem=482 > 00412122AMNETWORK+WORLD+ME.htm&channel=NETWORK+WORLD+ME > > Looks like your the one full of bullshit. Get a f.cking clue, idiot. DSL sh.ts all over what's available on Three. SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) > > More bullshit. Since when have you been able to get data rates on 3G that > > even approach those available using DSL technologies. > > Since right now. > You can get 384kbps on Three, which is faster then the entry level DSL plans > (256kbps). Except their 384kbps ISNT 384kbps because of overhead Michael said.... >> You can get 384kbps on Three, which is faster then the entry level DSL >> plans (256kbps). > > Except their 384kbps ISNT 384kbps because of overhead What sort of speeds can you realistically expect from it? And what does it cost? A mate's going to do a round Oz trip and was asking about mobile phones and using them as a modem for his laptop. All I could tell him is what the old setup was - 9,600 bps or thereabouts on GSM phones. > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Says who? Drop off rate? What kind of sh.t is that? is he referring to call dropouts, of which there are no figures for 3 yet, or subscriber inactivity figures? One would suggest there are quite a few "inactive" 3 subscribers, those that bought the handset outright for $300 for play, realised the whole thing is sh.t and just stopped using the SIMs? Now Michael go sit & "sh.t" with the banal/anal arse if you can't manage better. "3" & 3G generally provides an improved service over 2G GSM. > > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > bought the handset outright for $300 for play, realised the whole thing is > sh.t and just stopped using the SIMs? > "3" & 3G generally provides an improved service over 2G GSM. Another lie. > > > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > bought the handset outright for $300 for play, realised the whole thing is > > sh.t and just stopped using the SIMs? > > "3" & 3G generally provides an improved service over 2G GSM. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > bought the handset outright for $300 for play, realised the whole thing is > > > sh.t and just stopped using the SIMs? > Now Michael go sit & "sh.t" with the banal/anal arse if you can't manage > better. > > "3" & 3G generally provides an improved service over 2G GSM. Hardly. I rub my hands together with glee for when "3" are included in the ACA's dropout rate calculations ... 3G and 3 are immature technologies and companies. Maybe a few years down the track, until then, go away and come back and see me when you have something better > Telstra is definitely facing increased mobile competition from "3" (who's > drop off rate likely is quite low compared to the traditional carriers) and > 3G generally. And yet Telstra are adding twice as many digital subscribers a year than 3 is. > "3" has also given many the opportunity to do away with the use of > landlines, thus competing on two fronts. Not really. Everyone knows that the Call Caps of 3 wont last forever. > Telstra needs to cope with competition on all fronts in the next year > including VOIP and mobile 3G. See > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/09/1081326925011.html Telstra are leading the way with Voip, with one very large customer already on Voip. > > > > Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below > > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That's a lot of customers ! 400,000 pa if it continues, but how many would > > drop off the network ? Voip for everyone is almost upon us. That will greatly challenge all telephone operators. > > Telstra is definitely facing increased mobile competition from "3" (who's > > drop off rate likely is quite low compared to the traditional carriers) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And yet Telstra are adding twice as many digital subscribers a year than 3 > is. How many did you say they are losing in one way or another. Anyway who says bigger is better. > > "3" has also given many the opportunity to do away with the use of > > landlines, thus competing on two fronts. > > Not really. Everyone knows that the Call Caps of 3 wont last forever. What basis do you have for "everyone" & "wont last". Why not if the technology is more efficient then it might just last. I see most operators now offer various caps & bundles, which is partly in response to "3". > > Telstra needs to cope with competition on all fronts in the next year > > including VOIP and mobile 3G. See [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > would > > > drop off the network ? > Voip for everyone is almost upon us. That will greatly challenge all > telephone operators. Not the ones embracing it > > > Telstra is definitely facing increased mobile competition from "3" > (who's [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > would > > > > drop off the network ? Of course phone companies will be greatly challenged (in revenue) and have no choice but to allow VOIP when everyone else provides it. > > Voip for everyone is almost upon us. That will greatly challenge all > > telephone operators. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > would > > > > > drop off the network ? > > > Hmm. Will mobile and PSTN prices for consumers be dropped well below > the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's a lot of customers ! 400,000 pa if it continues, but how many would > drop off the network ? Do you really think thats a lot?! Telstra added 718 000 new GSM customers last year, in a network that is about 10 years old! (Up 5421000 to 6139000) Also they added 169 000 new CDMA customers last year. from 677000 to 846000. In total they added 887 000 new customers. 400 000 p.a. is nothing! However, Vodafone added NEGATIVE 2000 subscribers last quarter. So 400 000 is slightly better than that > Telstra added 718 000 new GSM customers last year, in a network that is > about 10 years old! > 400 000 p.a. is nothing! Given how new 3's network is, the limited time the brand has been around, the limited geographical area it covers and the limited market they sell to, 400000 pa is impressive. When you compare it to the size and age of Telstra's network and brand, 887000 is sh.t in comparison. > > Telstra added 718 000 new GSM customers last year, in a network that is > > about 10 years old! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the limited geographical area it covers and the limited market they sell to, > 400000 pa is impressive. When you compare it to the size and age of 400 000 pa is not impressive > Telstra's network and brand, 887000 is sh.t in comparison. Hardly. Imagine Orange is a Kia vehicle, one year old model, and sells 400 000 p.a. Telstra's vehicle is a mature product, a Holden Commodore series, and yet still sells 887 000 p.a. Clearly 3's effort is inadequate. They arent taking any market share from Telstra "3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do subscribers come from! > > > Telstra added 718 000 new GSM customers last year, in a network that is > > > about 10 years old! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Clearly 3's effort is inadequate. > They arent taking any market share from Telstra >"3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do >subscribers come from! Correct. Especially in a highly saturated mobile market such as Australia's. > >"3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do > >subscribers come from! > > Correct. Especially in a highly saturated mobile market such as > Australia's. 77% saturation, not 100% saturation "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > "3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do > subscribers come from! Ever heard of 'market growth'?? SignatureKwyj. "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce (Remove your panties to reply by email) > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > > "3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do > > subscribers come from! > > Ever heard of 'market growth'?? 3 have done almost nothing to grow the market. 95% of 3's subscribers have churned from other operators. The remaining 5% are almost all visiting students who will decommission their subscription when they return overseas. What rubbish! "3" have introduced the 3rd generation network currently replacing almost every 2G GSM network in the world. It's just a matter of timing ... see what is happening in the UK, Europe, Asia & the US! 3G networks are more efficient & carry true video & data. Why argue against new technology? So what if "3" hasn't closed down any competitors yet. They have brought great early competition & new video & data services to Australia, while the encumbants are still planning. > > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > churned from other operators. The remaining 5% are almost all visiting > students who will decommission their subscription when they return overseas. Rubbish? Show me the new subscribers who NEVER HAD A PHONE BEFORE. That's market growth and 3 has acquired almost nil such customers. They're almost all churns. The incumbents (T, O, V) have the luxury of sitting back, watching and waiting for 3 to convert a few customers to 3G. And spending nothing while 3 commits heaps. When a market threshold that the incumbents have already individually determined is met, they'll make the marginal investment required to upgrade their extensive, written-down networks to 3G. At that point, watch 3 with its minimal geographic coverage and high costs squirm. > What rubbish! "3" have introduced the 3rd generation network currently > replacing almost every 2G GSM network in the world. It's just a matter of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > students who will decommission their subscription when they return > overseas. Market growth most likely comprises oldies requiring marginal security use, youth growing up and people making dual home-business use. "3" has promoted it's services to the latter two groups with likely increasing success. Also with their new 3G video services they are promoting the industry as much as any operator. Why be so bitter & twisted about competition. I'm sure the results of all companies will show up in time! > Rubbish? Show me the new subscribers who NEVER HAD A PHONE BEFORE. That's > market growth and 3 has acquired almost nil such customers. They're almost [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > students who will decommission their subscription when they return > > overseas. > Market growth most likely comprises oldies > requiring marginal security use, youth growing up Kids with their first phone, anyway. > and people making dual home-business use. Those wont be market growth, they'll be using mobiles already. > "3" has promoted it's services to the latter > two groups with likely increasing success. Sure, but the uptake rate is still pathetic. And then there's the significant number in the last category that find that 3 cant actually deliver a reliable enough service. > Also with their new 3G video services they are > promoting the industry as much as any operator. And only fools will be watching much video on their mobile handsets. > Why be so bitter & twisted about competition. Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child. > I'm sure the results of all companies will show up in time! They have already. 3 is doomed. > > Rubbish? Show me the new subscribers who NEVER HAD A PHONE BEFORE. > That's [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > students who will decommission their subscription when they return > > > overseas. >3 have done almost nothing to grow the market. 95% of 3's subscribers have >churned from other operators. The remaining 5% are almost all visiting >students who will decommission their subscription when they return overseas. You're contradicting Michael's posts. I wonder who is correct? Exacly what I was including. "3" now has a share of the Australian market, which Telstra etc could have had. Telstra will need to try harder or more of the total (current & new) market will slip away! Ain't it fun to play with words and concepts! > "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> said > > > "3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do > > subscribers come from! > > Ever heard of 'market growth'?? > "3" have taken market share from all Australian operators ... where else do > subscribers come from! That assumes 100% market saturation There is still market growth, as well as 3 taking some subscribers from other carriers |
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