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Nokia 5110 - issue

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Jim Smith - 20 Apr 2004 08:34 GMT
On occasions, during conversation, the caller drops out and you hear
just yourself - kind of like a loop - audio goes straight from
microphone to speaker.

Apparently at the other end there is just dead air - the call time
keeps going so the call itself isn't terminated

Haven't tried fixing a phone before - wouldn't mind giving it a go if
anyone has a suggestion on what is the cause and solution.

Thanks,
Jim
Peter - 20 Apr 2004 23:55 GMT
> On occasions, during conversation, the caller drops out and you hear
> just yourself - kind of like a loop - audio goes straight from
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks,
> Jim

Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
it hasn't played up for a while though.
might be worth going to the nokia service centre and seeing if there is a
software upgrade they can install for you. (Elizebeth St, Melbourne)
if there is it should be free under warrenty though you loose your phone for
about half a day and all your phone settings and numbers stored on your
phone will be lost.
If there is an upgrade let me know!
nukeleer - 22 Apr 2004 00:52 GMT
> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> phone will be lost.
> If there is an upgrade let me know!

Software updates are only free under warranty, which is one year from the
date of original purchase of the phone... 5110s have not been sold new for
years now.

They also don't have many settings to lose, or any numbers stored on the
phone. Set it back up in five minutes.

-mark
Rod Speed - 22 Apr 2004 02:39 GMT
>> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
>> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
>> it hasn't played up for a while though.

>> might be worth going to the nokia service centre and seeing if there is
>> a software upgrade they can install for you. (Elizebeth St, Melbourne)
>> if there is it should be free under warrenty though you loose your phone
>> for about half a day and all your phone settings and numbers stored on
>> your phone will be lost.

>> If there is an upgrade let me know!

> Software updates are only free under warranty, which is
> one year from the date of original purchase of the phone...

Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

> 5110s have not been sold new for years now.

Irrelevant.

> They also don't have many settings to lose, or any numbers
> stored on the phone. Set it back up in five minutes.
Ten-Day-Old-Meat - 22 Apr 2004 02:48 GMT
> >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
> thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

Bullshit Roddles. Either cite the law, or admit you are wrong wrong
wrong.
Rod Speed - 22 Apr 2004 05:43 GMT
> > >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> > Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
> > thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

> Bullshit Roddles.

Not a f.cking clue, as always.

> Either cite the law,

Trade Practices Act and the equivalent state legislation, fuckwit.
Ten-Day-Old-Meat - 22 Apr 2004 05:50 GMT
> > > >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > > >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Trade Practices Act and the equivalent state legislation, fuckwit.

OK. I'll play your silly game.  I have the TPA open in front of me.
What section?  Mmm, this should be interesting.
Rod Speed - 22 Apr 2004 07:00 GMT
> > > > >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > > > >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> >
> > Trade Practices Act and the equivalent state legislation, fuckwit.

> OK. I'll play your silly game.

You're the one playing silly games, child.

> I have the TPA open in front of me.

Even a terminal fuckwit such as yourself should
be able to  manage the online versions of it.

> What section?

Sec 71, usually referred to as fitness for purpose, fuckwit.

> Mmm, this should be interesting.

Nothing interesting at all watching you make a
VERY spectacular fool of yourself yet again, child.
streetwise - 22 Apr 2004 07:13 GMT
f.ck!,  you must be loaded with preservatives!

| .
Rod Speed - 22 Apr 2004 09:19 GMT
> f.ck!,  you must be loaded with preservatives!

Nope, just extremely rotten indeed. Cant you smell it ?
Eleven-Day-Old-Meat - 23 Apr 2004 06:52 GMT
> f.ck!,  you must be loaded with preservatives!

Cryovaked, actually.
Michael - 23 Apr 2004 13:44 GMT
> > >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Bullshit Roddles. Either cite the law, or admit you are wrong wrong
> wrong.

The law Rod refers to is the Trade practices Act, and rod is correct on that
point

However the 5110 doesnt have any inherent design faults
nukeleer - 22 Apr 2004 23:52 GMT
> Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
> thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

Wrong, roddles.

There are no design problems in the software, an update is merely an update,
to ensure the core components run smoother. all a phone software update can
do is utilise the hardware more effectively.

That aside, I would be surprised if many phone service centres still had the
capability to upgrade 5110 software, nor would they be interested in it.

-mark
Kwyjibo. - 22 Apr 2004 23:59 GMT
"nukeleer" <nukeleer#internode.on.net> said

>> Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
>> thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> update, to ensure the core components run smoother. all a phone software
> update can do is utilise the hardware more effectively.

"drops out and you hear
just yourself - kind of like a loop - audio goes straight from
microphone to speaker."

If that can be fixed by software then it's definitely a problem that's
covered under the TPA.

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Michael - 23 Apr 2004 13:44 GMT
> "nukeleer" <nukeleer#internode.on.net> said
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> If that can be fixed by software then it's definitely a problem that's
> covered under the TPA.

Nope
Software fails occasionally, just like hardware

And nor does that mean "its an inherent design fault"
Kwyjibo. - 23 Apr 2004 14:01 GMT
"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> said

>> "nukeleer" <nukeleer#internode.on.net> said
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> And nor does that mean "its an inherent design fault"

And how do you know that? For all you know there could be some code in there
that says if date =>20/04/04 mute()
Unlikely but not impossible.

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Rod Speed - 23 Apr 2004 19:48 GMT
> > "nukeleer" <nukeleer#internode.on.net> said
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> > If that can be fixed by software then it's definitely a problem that's
> > covered under the TPA.

> Nope
> Software fails occasionally, just like hardware

Not a f.cking clue. As always.

> And nor does that mean "its an inherent design fault"

You have absolutely no way of knowing if that is or not.
Rod Speed - 23 Apr 2004 00:58 GMT
>> Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
>> thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

> Wrong, roddles.

Not a f.cking clue. As always.

> There are no design problems in the software,

I clearly said *IF* the phone has a design
fault thats fixed by the update, fuckwit.

> an update is merely an update, to ensure
> the core components run smoother.

Not a f.cking clue. As always.

> all a phone software update can do
> is utilise the hardware more effectively.

Not a f.cking clue. As always.

Most of the time they are actually fixing problem in the software, fuckwit.

> That aside, I would be surprised if many phone service centres still had the
> capability to upgrade 5110 software, nor would they be interested in it.

Completely and utterly irrelevant to what
was being discussed, what the law requires.

AND the law requires that hardware be adequately supported for
a lot longer than its been since the 5110 was last flogged TOO.
Michael - 23 Apr 2004 13:44 GMT
> > Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
> > thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That aside, I would be surprised if many phone service centres still had the
> capability to upgrade 5110 software, nor would they be interested in it.

Many could and many would

> -mark
Michael - 23 Apr 2004 13:44 GMT
> >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Wrong. The law requires that if the phone has a design problem
> thats fixed by the update, that the warranty is completely irrelevant.

And there has been no such design fault.

the only one acknowledged by "the law" is the 8210 screen design fault which
is recognised in NSW
Rod Speed - 23 Apr 2004 19:51 GMT
> > >> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > >> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> And there has been no such design fault.

You have absolutely no idea whether thats a design fault or not.

> the only one acknowledged by "the law" is the 8210
> screen design fault which is recognised in NSW

Not a f.cking clue, as always.

There have been countless design faults that legally have
to be fixed by the phone manufacturer or their agent.

It doesnt normally get addressed by the legal system
just because the company usually acknowledges that
there is a design fault without having to have had the
legal baseball bat applied to them first.
Michael - 22 Apr 2004 10:17 GMT
> Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
> it hasn't played up for a while though.
> might be worth going to the nokia service centre and seeing if there is a
> software upgrade they can install for you. (Elizebeth St, Melbourne)
> if there is it should be free under warrenty though you loose your phone for

No 5110 will be under warranty anymore
Eleven-Day-Old-Meat - 23 Apr 2004 06:53 GMT
> > Software, Turn the phone off then on. (restart).
> > Mine has done it once or twice and everytime i restart.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> No 5110 will be under warranty anymore

Unless they excercised their extended warranty option upon purchase.
 
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