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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / July 2004New ESN's
I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the > telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? > Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? randomly. What is a "reconditioned" CDMA phone - would that be the same as "stolen". > > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the > > telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? > > Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? > > randomly. Incorrectly. > What is a "reconditioned" CDMA phone - would that be the same as "stolen". It's a reconditioned phone. A refurbished phone > What is a "reconditioned" CDMA phone - would that be the same as "stolen". No. Only stolen ones are from Crime Converters. Sorry, meant to say Cash Converters.  SignatureMy opinions are my own but are available for a small license > > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the > > telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? > > Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? > > randomly. Nope. Not yet. > > "Abe Cd" <r@s.t> wrote in message > news:<opsbqocmaukcm64w@mouth-l8uksktmr>... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Nope. > Not yet. As good as random. There is no relationship between mobile number and ESN and MIN. > What is a "reconditioned" CDMA phone - would that be the same as > "stolen". They have been assembled from parts salvaged from wrecked phones, but the ESN/MIN pair of the main board is no longer valid on the telstra network. > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the > telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? > Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? Were the phones sold by Telstra, or a reseller of Telstra? (not Orange) If no, then you wont be able to use these on the Telstra network. > > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for the > > telstra network. Has anyone had any experience with this? > > Does anyone know how telstra derives its MINs? > > Were the phones sold by Telstra, or a reseller of Telstra? (not Orange) > If no, then you wont be able to use these on the Telstra network. ...yet to be challenged in the Australian Competition Tribunal...unjust an unfair action by Telstra Corp > > > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ...yet to be challenged in the Australian Competition Tribunal...unjust an > unfair action by Telstra Corp While not entirely true (about connecting to Telstra network), the reason why this is so in most cases is that CDMA networks are fragile when it comes to misbehaving phones, thus Telstra's reluctance to allow untested devices on its network. >>>>I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > when it comes to misbehaving phones, thus Telstra's reluctance to > allow untested devices on its network. If that's the case, then what happens when one of these Orange phones roams onto the Telstra network? I have no technical knowledge of CDMA networks. It just seems an obvious question to me. > >>>>I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for > >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > roams onto the Telstra network? I have no technical knowledge of CDMA > networks. It just seems an obvious question to me. exactly, and how about when users from overseas networks with roaming agreements (eg: AU/KDDI in Japan) front up in Australia. I bet Telstra does not test every handset variant. In reality, the policy is bullshit. ACCC has no balls to act. >>>"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > In reality, the policy is bullshit. ACCC has no balls to act. That brings me to my other gripe about CDMA. They have inbound international roaming with 5 other networks according to the Telstra website. I don't know why they haven't arranged outbound international roaming as well. Telstra seem to assume that people who travel in rural Australia don't travel overseas. > >>>"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Telstra seem to assume that people who travel in rural Australia don't > travel overseas. Or inbound wasnt that hard to implement and outbound is harder. > That brings me to my other gripe about CDMA. They have inbound > international roaming with 5 other networks according to the Telstra > website. I don't know why they haven't arranged outbound international > roaming as well. This is the problem of Telstra owning both a GSM network and a CDMA network. Logically each network should be competing against the other in order to provide the best service. I suppose the thought at Telstra is that if someone wants to roam overseas they would use the GSM service. The same could be said about the Foxtel network. Telstra now owns a copper network and a cable network. If the cable network was owned by another company that company would probably be providing wired phone service through cable. I would actually have a choice in who provides me with local service. Pity the Australian government allowed this to happen. >> That brings me to my other gripe about CDMA. They have >> inbound international roaming with 5 other networks according >> to the Telstra website. I don't know why they haven't arranged >> outbound international roaming as well. > This is the problem of Telstra owning both a GSM network > and a CDMA network. Logically each network should be > competing against the other in order to provide the best service. Mindless stuff. There is in fact a cdma network that attempts to compete with the GSM networks. > I suppose the thought at Telstra is that if someone wants > to roam overseas they would use the GSM service. Or cdma roaming is harder and they havent tried too hard with outbound. > The same could be said about the Foxtel network. Nope. > Telstra now owns a copper network and a cable network. If the > cable network was owned by another company that company > would probably be providing wired phone service through cable. Even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that one cable operator did just that. > I would actually have a choice in who provides me with local service. See above. > Pity the Australian government allowed this to happen. Pathetic, really. > > > I have some reconditioned CDMA phones that need a new MIN/ESN pair for > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ...yet to be challenged in the Australian Competition Tribunal...unjust an > unfair action by Telstra Corp Its their network, THEY get to decide which handsets are used on it > > > "Abe Cd" <r@s.t> wrote in message > news:opsbqocmaukcm64w@mouth-l8uksktmr... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Its their network, THEY get to decide which handsets are used on it Yeah, like what you said about Telstra interconnect charges before. The ACCC put an end to that. > > > "Abe Cd" <r@s.t> wrote in message > news:opsbqocmaukcm64w@mouth-l8uksktmr... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Its their network, THEY get to decide which handsets are used on it Not if the flout the TPA in the process, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning child. |
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