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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / August 20043 Gaining Customers !
As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were adding up to 10,000 customer a week, and looks like i was right "The company is outstripping bigger rivals Telstra and Optus in the race for higher value post-paid customers. Hutchison added 215,000 post-paid customers in the half compared with 91,000 at Telstra. Optus's contract customers numbers were fairly flat and Vodafone's went backwards by 131,000. Network call dropouts, which plagued the company's 3G network during its launch phase last year, had dropped to 2 per cent, Mr Russell said. Mr Russell said the company would soon announce a new deal with another Australian mobile network for calls outside Hutchison's network, known as roaming. Telstra is understood to have been keen to negotiate a roaming agreement as part of its deal with HTA on 3G." If they get Telstra roaming (which looks like they will) they are going to hurt Optus and Telstra in a huge way. It states Hutchison so that would inc. Orange customers too, not just "3" They should get a GSM network, they can offer every system that way :-)) CDIHL > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed (to be expected cause > he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were adding up to 10,000 customer a week, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If they get Telstra roaming (which looks like they will) they are going to > hurt Optus and Telstra in a huge way. > It states Hutchison so that would inc. Orange customers too, not just "3" > > They should get a GSM network, they can offer every system that way :-)) They HAD GSM resell. They sold it, to focus on CDMA (both CDMA and 3G) What a colossally stupid business decision that was. Their GSM resell had one of the highet ARPU for all GSM resellers > > It states Hutchison so that would inc. Orange customers too, not just "3" > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What a colossally stupid business decision that was. Their GSM resell had > one of the highet ARPU for all GSM resellers Optus screwed them, that's why. And as if they would disclose ARPU stats to you. > > > It states Hutchison so that would inc. Orange customers too, not just > "3" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Optus screwed them, that's why. Wrong > And as if they would disclose ARPU stats to you. Common market knowledge > They should get a GSM network, they can offer every system that way :-)) Well... *technically* "3" is a GSM network... just of the UMTS/WCDMA variant :-) Albinus. Really, I think 3 has no relation to GSM other than using it as a convenient fallback when you move out to a non-3G area. It's the other way round ... 3rd generation phone systems supersede 2G GSM! > > They should get a GSM network, they can offer every system that way :-)) > > Well... *technically* "3" is a GSM network... just of the UMTS/WCDMA variant > :-) > > Albinus. > Really, I think 3 has no relation to GSM other than using it as a convenient > fallback when you move out to a non-3G area. > > It's the other way round ... 3rd generation phone systems supersede 2G GSM! The technology that 3 uses ( UMTS , W-CDMA) is a GSM standard. Frank > Really, I think 3 has no relation to GSM other than using it as a convenient > fallback when you move out to a non-3G area. > > It's the other way round ... 3rd generation phone systems supersede 2G GSM! hardly. it will be many years before they do > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed (to be expected cause > he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were adding up to 10,000 customer a week, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > at Telstra. Optus's contract customers numbers were fairly flat and > Vodafone's went backwards by 131,000. You would *hope* that 3 would be adding large AMOUNTS of customers, their prices are very low. It remains to be seen how many of those customers will actually stay, when 3 cease their cheap pricing and customers move away in droves. Poor Vodafone. They just dont have any idea. I read that they wanted to "wreck" the market, looks like they are wrecking their own market. > Network call dropouts, which plagued the company's 3G network during its > launch phase last year, had dropped to 2 per cent, Mr Russell said. Good. > Mr Russell said the company would soon announce a new deal with another > Australian mobile network for calls outside Hutchison's network, known as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If they get Telstra roaming (which looks like they will) they are going to > hurt Optus and Telstra in a huge way. Now that Telstra and 3 are going to co-own the network, of course the roaming is going to be with Telstra. Poor Vodafone :) > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed > (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were > adding up to 10,000 customer a week, and looks like i was right Nope, you're so stupid that you cant manage to separate the bullshit and lies from reality. If they were actually getting that many new customers in many weeks, they wouldnt have bothered to flog half their network to Telstra. And 10K a week is pathetic anyway. > "The company is outstripping bigger rivals Telstra and > Optus in the race for higher value post-paid customers. Easy to claim. Pity there aint a shred of substantiation for that particular claim. > Hutchison added 215,000 post-paid customers in the half Pathetic, really. And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed that they dont bother to mention how many they lost. > compared with 91,000 at Telstra. Hardly surprising with a new startup, fuckwit. What actually matters is that telstra has a f.cking sight more post paid customers than that pathetic 300K. > Optus's contract customers numbers were fairly > flat and Vodafone's went backwards by 131,000. Easy to claim, again. > Network call dropouts, which plagued the company's 3G network during > its launch phase last year, had dropped to 2 per cent, Mr Russell said. Easy to claim, again. > Mr Russell said the company would soon announce > a new deal with another Australian mobile network for > calls outside Hutchison's network, known as roaming. Well whoopy f.cking do. > Telstra is understood to have been keen to negotiate a > roaming agreement as part of its deal with HTA on 3G." Well whoopy f.cking do. > If they get Telstra roaming (which looks like they will) Well whoopy f.cking do. > they are going to hurt Optus and Telstra in a huge way. Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child. Just a flea bite in fact. > > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed > > (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Just a flea bite in fact. Must be why Telstra and Optus and Voda now offer a capped plan ? >> > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed >> > (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> Just a flea bite in fact. > Must be why Telstra and Optus and Voda now offer a capped plan ? Nope. That sort of thing always happens. There has to be someone offering a particular approach first, and others doing it later, basic logic. And as even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp with the current handout of free sims by Vodafone in Qld, they dont have to actually achieve a damned thing by that to get their competitors to make another similar offer as a result of it. Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. That other terminal fuckwit in spades. > >> > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed > >> > (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Nope. That sort of thing always happens. There has to be someone > offering a particular approach first, and others doing it later, basic logic. So a phone company copies another one's better deals just for the sake of it ? Not because they are loosing customers to them ? > And as even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp > with the current handout of free sims by Vodafone in Qld, they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That other terminal fuckwit in spades. >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:4125fc8d$0$3928$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >> >> > Must be why Telstra and Optus and Voda now offer a capped plan ? >> Nope. That sort of thing always happens. There >> has to be someone offering a particular approach >> first, and others doing it later, basic logic. > So a phone company copies another one's better deals just for the sake of it ? Never said anything like that, fool. > Not because they are loosing customers to them ? Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that the current telstra offer of free $200 credits in qld cant be due to the number of customers they have LOST to vodafone, and must be being done to PREVENT too many being attracted by the free vodafone sims when they can get a better result by staying with telstra instead. >> And as even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp >> with the current handout of free sims by Vodafone in Qld, they >> dont have to actually achieve a damned thing by that to get their >> competitors to make another similar offer as a result of it. >> Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent >> gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. He's right. As always. >> That other terminal fuckwit in spades. There too. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:4125fc8d$0$3928$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > >> dont have to actually achieve a damned thing by that to get their > >> competitors to make another similar offer as a result of it. Never mentioned the free sim handout, I was talking about the call cap ! None of the majors thought they needed a call cap as they expected 3 to not be relavant and to disapear, but that hasnt' happeneed > >> Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent > >> gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > There too. >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:41274a66$0$16887$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >> >> dont have to actually achieve a damned thing by that to get their >> >> competitors to make another similar offer as a result of it. > Never mentioned the free sim handout, Irrelevant whether you did or not. THAT is an example of that sort of responding to what a competitor offers BEFORE there can be any effect on the number of customers, fuckwit. > I was talking about the call cap ! You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. What you might or might not have been talking about in spades. I say again, YOU HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED THAT OTHERS OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. > None of the majors thought they needed a call cap as > they expected 3 to not be relavant and to disapear, You've just plucked that crap out of your arse, as always with your crap. > but that hasnt' happeneed >> >> Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent >> >> gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> There too. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:41274a66$0$16887$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF > CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. Okay so 3 is going to disapear and is not going to and/or has hurt the majors but they still decide to offer a call cap! Right ! Thanks Rod > > None of the majors thought they needed a call cap as > > they expected 3 to not be relavant and to disapear, > > You've just plucked that crap out of your arse, as always with your crap. I thought u told me 3 would disapear ages ago ? > > but that hasnt' happeneed > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> > >> There too. Some pathetic posturing little fuckwit that can't work out the simplest of marketing strategies hiding behind just the same peurile excuse for bullshit thats all that it ever spews when it gets its terminal stupidities shown up once again. Back to the sandpit, child. NOW. >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:41280045$0$9811$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] >> OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF >> CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. > Okay so 3 is going to disapear and is not going to and/or > has hurt the majors but they still decide to offer a call cap! > Right ! I say again, YOU HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED THAT OTHERS OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. >>> None of the majors thought they needed a call cap as >>> they expected 3 to not be relavant and to disapear, >> You've just plucked that crap out of your arse, as always with your crap. > I thought Obvious lie. Ear to ear dog sh.t aint actually capable of thought. >> > but that hasnt' happeneed >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> >> >> There too. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:41280045$0$9811$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF > CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. Would be funny if you actually knew the port-out figures from Optus to 3 wouldnt it Rod Now the facts as they stand, Optus, Telstra & Voda didn't offer caps until a year after 3 started it. It TOOK THEM ONE YEAR TO DO IT AND NOW THEY HAVE LOST ENOUGH CUSTOMERS THEY OFFER IT. Look at the Qld free sim and $200 credit deal with Telsta and Voda. VODAFONE OFFERED IT FIRST AND TELSTRA RE-ACTED WITHIN A FEW DAYS. NOTHING LIKE THE YEAR IT TOOK THEM TO COPY 3'S CAPPED OFFERS Back to lowercase now, because Rod is gettign quite upset he has to shout in UPPERCASE because he can't admit that voda, optus and telstra, are reacting now due the amount of customers they have lost to 3 > >>> None of the majors thought they needed a call cap as > >>> they expected 3 to not be relavant and to disapear, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >> >> > >> >> There too. >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:412859f0$0$16887$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] >> OFFERING A CALL CAP DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF >> CUSTOMERS THEY HAD LOST TO THE ONE THAT DID IT FIRST. > Would be funny if you actually knew the port-out > figures from Optus to 3 wouldnt it Rod Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that the current telstra offer of free $200 credits in qld cant be due to the number of customers they have LOST to vodafone, and must be being done to PREVENT too many being attracted by the free vodafone sims when they can get a better result by staying with telstra instead. > Now the facts as they stand, Optus, Telstra & Voda didn't offer caps > until a year after 3 started it. It TOOK THEM ONE YEAR TO DO IT > AND NOW THEY HAVE LOST ENOUGH CUSTOMERS THEY OFFER IT. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to grasp that the current telstra offer of free $200 credits in qld cant be due to the number of customers they have LOST to vodafone, and must be being done to PREVENT too many being attracted by the free vodafone sims when they can get a better result by staying with telstra instead. > Look at the Qld free sim and $200 credit deal with Telsta and Voda. VODAFONE > OFFERED IT FIRST AND TELSTRA RE-ACTED WITHIN A FEW DAYS. So it clearly cant have been DUE TO THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS LOST, FUCKWIT. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:412859f0$0$16887$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 156 lines] > > So it clearly cant have been DUE TO THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS LOST, FUCKWIT. Never stated that rubbish. I said that the capped plans were introduced due to number of customers lost took a year to copy the capped plans. However the voda/telstra prepaid deals were copied within a few days to prevent loosing customers, before it happend. >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:4128ae8c$0$17478$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] >> >> So it clearly cant have been DUE TO THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS LOST, FUCKWIT. > Never stated that rubbish. You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. What you might or might not have been stated in spades. > I said that the capped plans were introduced due to number > of customers lost took a year to copy the capped plans. And you are just plain wrong. As always. > However the voda/telstra prepaid deals were copied within > a few days to prevent loosing customers, before it happend. So you dont have a shred of evidence that the capped rates were due to LOSING CUSTOMERS, fuckwit. ALL telcos match what other telcos over, sometimes quickly, sometimes more slowly. Same thing happened with capped rates on landline calls too. And with every other 'feature' like per second billing, no flagfall, etc etc etc too. Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:4128ae8c$0$17478$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 170 lines] > You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly > irrelevant. What you might or might not have been stated in spades. So why are u telling me how wrong I am if I am irrelevant ? > > I said that the capped plans were introduced due to number > > of customers lost took a year to copy the capped plans. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent > gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. Okay so please do tell me why carriers copy other carriers for, seeing that I don't have a clue please do tell me >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:41292b3a$0$25605$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] >> Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent >> gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. > Okay so please do tell me why carriers copy other carriers > for, seeing that I don't have a clue please do tell me I already did, fuckwit. > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:4128ae8c$0$17478$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 191 lines] > Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent > gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. To Quote Jeremy Quike - "I've got to admit that Three has been doing very well for itself these last few months. Not only have they managed to beat their much bigger rivals in the numbers of customers they have signed up, but they have forced the introduction of capped plans. Hutchison has added 215,000 post-paid customers in the first half compared with 91,000 at Telstra, no change at Optus, and Vodafone losing 130,000 customers. It is now adding 10,000 customers per week, and has managed to add over 6000 on average per week for the last year. Many of the problems that plagued their new 3G network last year have been fixed, and Three is now claiming a call drop-out rate of just 2%, putting it on par with its 2G rivals. It has also emerged that Three will be dumping Vodafone and taking its non-Video Zone roaming to another provider. The obvious choice would be Telstra, who was supposedly keen to include roaming agreements as part of the recent $500 million tie-up between the two companies" Sounds similar to my thought, in fact very similar ! Thanks Roddles :) >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:41292b3a$0$25605$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] > > To Quote Jeremy Quike - > "I've got to admit that Three has been doing very well for itself these > last few months. Not only have they managed to beat their much > bigger rivals in the numbers of customers they have signed up, Irrelevant number with a new startup. > but they have forced the introduction of capped plans. Pity they didnt. > Hutchison has added 215,000 post-paid customers in the > first half compared with 91,000 at Telstra, no change at Optus, What matters is the total number of customers, not just prepaid. > and Vodafone losing 130,000 customers. > It is now adding 10,000 customers per week, For the moment. Wont last, cant last, you watch. > and has managed to add over 6000 > on average per week for the last year. Pity about the number they have lost. > Many of the problems that plagued their new 3G network > last year have been fixed, and Three is now claiming a call > drop-out rate of just 2%, putting it on par with its 2G rivals. Lie. Its nothing like on a par with the big two. > It has also emerged that Three will be dumping Vodafone and taking > its non-Video Zone roaming to another provider. The obvious choice > would be Telstra, who was supposedly keen to include roaming agreements > as part of the recent $500 million tie-up between the two companies" Irrelevant to what was being discussed. > Sounds similar to my thought, Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought, let alone having a f.cking clue about marketing basics. > in fact very similar ! Gone blind yet, child ? > >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:4128ae8c$0$17478$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 191 lines] > Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent > gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. Myself, when they offer roaming to Teltra, will port to them in an instant. Simply use a 2g phone and have Telstra coverage :) >> "J Doe" <support@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:41292b3a$0$25605$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... [quoted text clipped - 209 lines] >> Dont give up the day w.nk, child. You havent >> gotta f.cking clue about marketplace realitys. > Myself, when they offer roaming to Teltra, will port to them in an instant. You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. > Simply use a 2g phone and have Telstra coverage :) They aint gunna be THAT stupid, stupid. > Never stated that rubbish. I said that the capped plans were introduced due > to number of customers lost took a year to copy the capped plans. However You were wrong. Telstra are very happy with the quantity and quality of their postpaid connects > > Never stated that rubbish. I said that the capped plans were introduced > due [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Telstra are very happy with the quantity and quality of their postpaid > connects 91,000 new connection, versus 210,000 at Three. Steady new connects at Optus is a concern for them however. Voda lost 130,000, only a matter of time once they loose 3 Now back to your point: Telstra is happy with their connects: Must be why they have new plans coming out soon, which Must be why they have a CDMA cap Must be why they brought back $0 handsets Returing to the 3 min 24/7 call option ! Keep it up Michael > > > Never stated that rubbish. I said that the capped plans were introduced > > due [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 91,000 new connection, versus 210,000 at Three. That is excellent for Telstra, considering Three has many cheap offers to suck the customers in, just no quality behind them, both people and network. Tad unsure about whether 3 will even be around in 3 years time > Steady new connects at Optus is a concern for them however. Ummmm Optus had flat to no growth, that IS a worry for Optus, not 3 > Voda lost 130,000, only a matter of time once they loose 3 voda is just a dead-weight loss > Now back to your point: Telstra is happy with their connects: > Must be why they have new plans coming out soon, which Telstra change plans every 12-18 months, as normal. Just like Optus > Must be why they have a CDMA cap Yes > Must be why they brought back $0 handsets They always have, and always will have, $0 upfront handsets > Returing to the 3 min 24/7 call option ! Its their CPO, they will do what they like with it > Now the facts as they stand, Optus, Telstra & Voda didn't offer caps until a > year after 3 started it. It TOOK THEM ONE YEAR TO DO IT AND NOW THEY HAVE [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OFFERED IT FIRST AND TELSTRA RE-ACTED WITHIN A FEW DAYS. NOTHING LIKE THE > YEAR IT TOOK THEM TO COPY 3'S CAPPED OFFERS Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story mate. None of the three majors in Aus are stupid. almost all of our offers have been done before elsewhere in the world, especially the UK/Europe. All the carriers are aware of these offers, and indeed already have the ability to offer them, dependant on system capability. As far back as 2001, Telstra had the system ability to offer flexiplan rollover. yet they still havent offered it yet, as it is not time for it to be necessary. > > Now the facts as they stand, Optus, Telstra & Voda didn't offer caps until > a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > yet they still havent offered it yet, as it is not time for it to be > necessary. And Optus can do per second billing as well, but they get away without it ! > > > Now the facts as they stand, Optus, Telstra & Voda didn't offer caps > until [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > And Optus can do per second billing as well, but they get away without it ! So you acknowledge my point and stand corrected. Good Another pure Speed excretia, such a banal/ anal Arse-Hole (AnotherRodSpeedExcretia-HeOnlyLovesExcretia!) > > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed > > (to be expected cause he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Just a flea bite in fact. 3 customers roam on to Voda network and Voda customer roam on to Telstra network in rural VIC Telstra and Hutch will agree to roam thus leaving voda out of loop > As I mentioned earlier and was riducled by Rod Speed (to be expected cause > he is always right) I mentiioned 3 were adding up to 10,000 customer a week, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If they get Telstra roaming (which looks like they will) they are going to > hurt Optus and Telstra in a huge way. |
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