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Charlie Wong - 14 Oct 2004 03:29 GMT
Buckets tip mobile market into war
By Michael Sainsbury
October 14, 2004
<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.html>

FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.

Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path and it's not going
away. It is tearing down margins in the mobile sector and now it's
starting to seriously corrode Telstra's fixed-line business.

For Telstra chief executive Ziggy Switkowski and his federal
government masters, who at last have the full privatisation of Telstra
at the tips of their grasping fingers, the timing could not have been
worse.

In April last year, Hutchison Telecommunications kicked off its $3
billion foray into the Australian mobile market with its
third-generation network known as "3". No one gave it much chance.

Third-generation networks have been heralded for years as the mobile
messiah - with fast, always-on data services that have been tried and
failed on slower 2G networks.

The hidden gem in 3G, however, is vastly more efficient voice
services, up to six times, Hutchison boss Kevin Russell reckons. A
cost base Telstra and Optus would die for.

''3" made everyone sit up and take notice straight away by offering
$99-cap monthly call plans for voice services when it launched. It was
the first time that so-called "bucket" plans had been seen in the
Australian market.

Barely 18 months later, Russell has the whole industry dancing to his
tune. Can he really believe it has been so easy?

In July, Vodafone joined the bucket brigade with $79 a month and has
made a Lazarus-like return to health, now the others are reluctantly
having to follow.

And in only four months, the capped-price model has replaced
subsidised handsets as the market hot button.

In the process, a fresh wave of increased mobile usage is threatening
not only the cosy 40 to 50 per cent margins of Telstra and Optus's
mobile businesses but Telstra's once impregnable fixed-line business.

Put simply, mobile prices are getting so cheap that people are
wondering why they pay Telstra $30 each month for a big fat zero. It's
called, ladies and gentlemen, fixed-to-mobile substitution, it's
happening all over the world and it keeps the good doctor awake at
night.

Analysts at Citigroup this week said it would punch a nasty $850
million revenue hole in Telstra's P&L over the next three years - and
this is a conservative estimate. Optus has already shown how much it
is hurting, playing ball with its own heavily promoted $79 per cap
last week.

Telstra will join the party within weeks at, let's say, $69, then
someone, probably Vodafone, will hit the market with a $49 cap. At
this point - a market sweet spot - a medium-term death spiral will
savage the margins of Australia's mobile players forever.

Bad news for Telstra, and to a slightly lesser extent Optus. They pay
large upfront fees for customer connections - as high as $285 - and
average handset subsidies of about $100.

As well, the two market leaders are giving away between 12 and 20 per
cent of their sales to their channel partners. Again, quite simply,
unsustainable in the much lower margin dog-eat-dog world of monthly
capped calls.

sainsburym@theaustralian.com.au

The Australian
Rod Speed - 14 Oct 2004 04:02 GMT
> Buckets tip mobile market into war
> By Michael Sainsbury
> October 14, 2004
> <http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.html>
>
> FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.

> Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path

Wota f.cking w.nker...
Jeremy Quirke - 14 Oct 2004 07:49 GMT
> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
> > By Michael Sainsbury
> > October 14, 2004

<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.htm
l>

> > FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.
>
> > Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path
>
> Wota f.cking w.nker...

As I was reading the original post I predicted your response to the letter
:)
Charlie Wong - 14 Oct 2004 09:24 GMT
>As I was reading the original post I predicted your response to the letter

That's because he is past his use by date. Any wonder there are Rod
Speed bots to keep annoying the civilised world long after he's
attacked by his own dogs.
Michael - 15 Oct 2004 11:39 GMT
> >As I was reading the original post I predicted your response to the letter
>
> That's because he is past his use by date. Any wonder there are Rod
> Speed bots to keep annoying the civilised world long after he's
> attacked by his own dogs.

Charlie, lets be honest, the whole post was crap. Telstra offering a cap at
$69? get real!
someone else offering one at $49? get reakl
Rod Speed - 14 Oct 2004 21:22 GMT
>> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
>> > By Michael Sainsbury
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> As I was reading the original post I predicted your response to the letter
> :)

Bet you didnt predict it would be that short with that one, liar.
Jeremy Quirke - 15 Oct 2004 03:12 GMT
> >> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
> >> > By Michael Sainsbury
> >> > October 14, 2004

<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.htm
> > l>
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Bet you didnt predict it would be that short with that one, liar.

No you're right about that. But for the opening paragraph the response was
spot on. Even I was thinking that - talk about overdoing it! [Yes I am
capable of thought]. I thought it would be more along the lines of:

>Buckets tip mobile market into war
>By Michael Sainsbury

Wota silly little w.nker.

>October 14, 2004
><http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.ht
ml>

>FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.

>Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path and it's not going
>away. It is tearing down margins in the mobile sector and now it's
>starting to seriously corrode Telstra's fixed-line business.

Wota f.cking w.nker..

>For Telstra chief executive Ziggy Switkowski and his federal
>government masters, who at last have the full privatisation of Telstra
>at the tips of their grasping fingers, the timing could not have been
>worse.

Wota f.cking w.nker.

>In April last year, Hutchison Telecommunications kicked off its $3
>billion foray into the Australian mobile market with its
>third-generation network known as "3". No one gave it much chance.

Because they know that it's money well pissed down the drain.

>Third-generation networks have been heralded for years as the mobile
>messiah - with fast, always-on data services that have been tried and
>failed on slower 2G networks.

Pity no-one has a use for data services.

>The hidden gem in 3G, however, is vastly more efficient voice
>services, up to six times, Hutchison boss Kevin Russell reckons. A
>cost base Telstra and Optus would die for.

More fool him. The cost alone of deploying a 3G network far outweighs that.

>''3" made everyone sit up and take notice straight away by offering
>$99-cap monthly call plans for voice services when it launched. It was
>the first time that so-called "bucket" plans had been seen in the
>Australian market.

Bullshit. There aint that many stupid suckers around.

>Barely 18 months later, Russell has the whole industry dancing to his
>tune. Can he really believe it has been so easy?

Course he can't. Nothing like 'dancing to his tune', we would have seen
these plans with or without Three's pathetic existence.

>In July, Vodafone joined the bucket brigade with $79 a month and has
>made a Lazarus-like return to health, now the others are reluctantly
>having to follow.

>And in only four months, the capped-price model has replaced
>subsidised handsets as the market hot button.

Pity about the whole 'fart in the bath' bit.

>In the process, a fresh wave of increased mobile usage is threatening
>not only the cosy 40 to 50 per cent margins of Telstra and Optus's
>mobile businesses but Telstra's once impregnable fixed-line business.

Bullshit. Pity the 'capped prices' are nothing like fixed line ones.

>Put simply, mobile prices are getting so cheap that people are
>wondering why they pay Telstra $30 each month for a big fat zero. It's
>called, ladies and gentlemen, fixed-to-mobile substitution, it's
>happening all over the world and it keeps the good doctor awake at
>night.

Pig ignorant drivel. Because it is MUCH cheaper to use a landline than a
mobile, particularly if you are calling other landlines. Nothing like
'happening all over the world' either - mainly in pov countries without
decent fixed line infrastructure.

>Analysts

w.nkers actually

>at Citigroup this week said it would punch a nasty $850
>million revenue hole in Telstra's P&L over the next three years - and
>this is a conservative estimate. Optus has already shown how much it
>is hurting, playing ball with its own heavily promoted $79 per cap
>last week.

Nothing like 'hurting'. They can afford to be more expensive because they
are a MUCH better network.

>Telstra will join the party within weeks at, let's say, $69, then
>someone, probably Vodafone, will hit the market with a $49 cap. At
>this point - a market sweet spot - a medium-term death spiral will
>savage the margins of Australia's mobile players forever.

Bet you it will be nothing like that.

>Bad news for Telstra, and to a slightly lesser extent Optus. They pay
>large upfront fees for customer connections - as high as $285 - and
>average handset subsidies of about $100.

Bullshit. Even if they did pay such large connections they have complete
control over reducing them.

>As well, the two market leaders are giving away between 12 and 20 per
>cent of their sales to their channel partners. Again, quite simply,
>unsustainable in the much lower margin dog-eat-dog world of monthly
>capped calls.

Wota load of pig ignorant drivel.

>sainsburym@theaustralian.com.au

Wota silly little fuckwit.

>The Australian

More fool them.
Michael - 15 Oct 2004 11:44 GMT
That was EERILY accurate Rod Speedism!
Rod Speed - 15 Oct 2004 20:54 GMT
> That was EERILY accurate Rod Speedism!

Fraid not, he didnt get the phraseology quite right much of the time.

Only Horrie was much good at getting it right almost all the time.
Brendon - 14 Oct 2004 09:31 GMT
> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
> > By Michael Sainsbury
> > October 14, 2004

<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.htm
l>

> > FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.
>
> > Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path
>
> Wota f.cking w.nker...

Wota constructive reply...
Rod Speed - 14 Oct 2004 21:22 GMT
>> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
>> > By Michael Sainsbury
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> Wota f.cking w.nker...

> Wota constructive reply...

Wota f.cking w.nker...
Michael - 15 Oct 2004 11:44 GMT
> > > Buckets tip mobile market into war
> > > By Michael Sainsbury
> > > October 14, 2004

<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.htm
> l>
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Wota constructive reply...

It was given the respect it deserved
Michael - 15 Oct 2004 11:39 GMT
> > Buckets tip mobile market into war
> > By Michael Sainsbury
> > October 14, 2004

<http://finance.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11065157%255E521,00.htm
l>

> > FIERCE mobile phone price competition has come finally, and swiftly.
>
> > Like a tsunami, it is enveloping all in its path
>
> Wota f.cking w.nker...

The whole article is a load of shite
Freedom - 25 Oct 2004 12:22 GMT
I have been in this country for 15 years. I am f.cking sick and tired of
hearing about the mobile market price wars.

WE ARE BEING ALWAYS RIPPED OFF. I believe we have some of the highest mobile
call rates in the world.

Competition???? with forcing people into 24-month contracts ???? wake up
morons!

no competition in this country. Instead we have whats called "collusion" of
providers.

> Buckets tip mobile market into war
> By Michael Sainsbury
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>
> The Australian
Kwyjibo. - 25 Oct 2004 13:24 GMT
"Freedom" <nospambastards@goaway.com> said

> I have been in this country for 15 years.

Maybe it's about time you f.cked off somewhere else then.

Signature

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

Michael - 26 Oct 2004 09:41 GMT
> "Freedom" <nospambastards@goaway.com> said
>
> > I have been in this country for 15 years.
>
> Maybe it's about time you f.cked off somewhere else then.

Secondly
Rod Speed - 25 Oct 2004 21:34 GMT
>I have been in this country for 15 years. I am f.cking sick and tired of
>hearing about the mobile market price wars.

Feel free to leave any time you like.

> WE ARE BEING ALWAYS RIPPED OFF.

Wrong. There arent too many countrys where you can
have a completely free mobile service if you basically
just receive calls or need an emergency phone.

> I believe we have some of the highest mobile call rates in the world.

More fool you.

> Competition???? with forcing people into 24-month contracts ????

You aint forced, fuckwit. Plenty dont have that.

> wake up morons!

f.ck off w.nker!

> no competition in this country.

f.ck off out of it any time you like. Sooner the better.

> Instead we have whats called "collusion" of providers.

See above.

>> Buckets tip mobile market into war
>> By Michael Sainsbury
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>>
>> The Australian
 
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