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Peter Hoskin - 18 Mar 2005 08:56 GMT
Hi,

Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
database.
Charlie Wong - 18 Mar 2005 09:10 GMT
>Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
>SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
>computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
>database.

iSIM with 15¢ SMS, see <http://www.isim.com.au/Prepaid/WhyiSIM.aspx>.
Michael - 18 Mar 2005 11:15 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
> SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
> computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
> database.

isim 15c SMS
[] - 18 Mar 2005 11:49 GMT
I am on iSim aswell. Cheap SMS.

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
> SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
> computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
> database.
Peter Hoskin - 18 Mar 2005 12:14 GMT
Okay, seems most are on isim.

Has anyone had experience with Internet based gateways, SMPP or HTTP based?

Regards,
Peter Hoskin

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
> SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
> computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
> database.
geoffw - 19 Mar 2005 00:38 GMT
I have used www.u-msg.com

Australian reseller -of a UK service (I think)

relatively cheap, I had some problems with sending to CDMA
( may be related to international SMS restrictions - not
really sure)

Geoff

> Okay, seems most are on isim.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
> > database.
John Henderson - 19 Mar 2005 01:46 GMT
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal
> with a cheap SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only,
> connected to a computer to send and receive notifications and
> basic commands for a database.

Are you in control of the SIMs in use at both ends?  If so,
Virgin to Virgin SMS for 5c each could be the way to go.

http://www.virginmobile.com.au/pricelist/prepaid.html

John
Charlie Wong - 19 Mar 2005 03:25 GMT
>Are you in control of the SIMs in use at both ends?  If so,
>Virgin to Virgin SMS for 5c each could be the way to go.

I believe that Dodo also offers 5¢ SMS for SMS between Dodo customers
- all this with no minimum commitment per month (though on a post-paid
plan).
Giles - 19 Mar 2005 07:29 GMT
> I believe that Dodo also offers 5¢ SMS for SMS between Dodo customers
> - all this with no minimum commitment per month (though on a post-paid
> plan).

Actually Dodo's 5c SMS offer comes with a $19.90/month minimum spend and a
24-month fixed term.
http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans_freehandset.html
Charlie Wong - 19 Mar 2005 07:32 GMT
>Actually Dodo's 5c SMS offer comes with a $19.90/month minimum spend and a
>24-month fixed term.
>http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans_freehandset.html

You must've missed the $0 plan at
<http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans.html>

I should know, I have two services on that plan.
Giles - 19 Mar 2005 08:00 GMT
>>Actually Dodo's 5c SMS offer comes with a $19.90/month minimum spend and a
>>24-month fixed term.
>>http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans_freehandset.html
>
> You must've missed the $0 plan at
> <http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans.html>

I don't think so... I saw the $0 plan, but the Dodo website doesn't show any
$0 plans with 5c intracarrier SMS... is this charging reflected on your
bill?

Is this the one you're talking about?  The offer looks like buy-1-get-1-free
SMS, but not 5c intercarrier
http://home.dodo.com.au/mobileplans_nocommitment.html
Michael - 19 Mar 2005 14:01 GMT
> >Actually Dodo's 5c SMS offer comes with a $19.90/month minimum spend and a
> >24-month fixed term.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I should know, I have two services on that plan.

Thought you ported them to Revtel?
Anyway it just looks like $0 per month, no commitment, 19c SMS etc
What number range were your numbers allocated from?
Michael - 20 Mar 2005 02:50 GMT
> > >Actually Dodo's 5c SMS offer comes with a $19.90/month minimum spend and
> a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Anyway it just looks like $0 per month, no commitment, 19c SMS etc
> What number range were your numbers allocated from?

Found the scam - $9.90 "setup fee" for each service
No thanks
Charlie Wong - 20 Mar 2005 04:18 GMT
>Found the scam - $9.90 "setup fee" for each service
>No thanks

Shock horror at $9.90.
John Smith - 20 Mar 2005 05:09 GMT
>>Found the scam - $9.90 "setup fee" for each service
>>No thanks
>
> Shock horror at $9.90.

That's a lot of money for a person who clean dunnies.
Michael - 21 Mar 2005 08:48 GMT
> >Found the scam - $9.90 "setup fee" for each service
> >No thanks
>
> Shock horror at $9.90.

$0 < $9.90

I can get plenty of SIMs for $0, so forget paying for them
Peter Hoskin - 19 Mar 2005 03:46 GMT
> Are you in control of the SIMs in use at both ends?  If so,
> Virgin to Virgin SMS for 5c each could be the way to go.
>
> http://www.virginmobile.com.au/pricelist/prepaid.html
>
> John

Yeah, however, I've just renewed my optus inbusiness edge plan for
another 24 months.

Does look interesting though. If there were volume it'd pay to carry
another virgin handset.

I'll keep that in mind, but I'd rather an overall low cost provider
versus a provider with low prices to their own network.

I'm now looking at a combination of isim for an incoming number and an
international internet based gateway for outgoing messages.
http://www.clickatell.com have it for 0.044 euros which is under 8c per
message.

Regards,
Peter Hoskin
John Smith - 19 Mar 2005 08:20 GMT
Depending on volume, a capped plan might be a goer (Optus/Vodafone $79
cap, or Vodafone $49 for $230). Works out about ~5c for inter-carrier
SMS then.

>> Are you in control of the SIMs in use at both ends?  If so,
>> Virgin to Virgin SMS for 5c each could be the way to go.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Regards,
> Peter Hoskin
Michael - 19 Mar 2005 14:01 GMT
> > Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal
> > with a cheap SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Are you in control of the SIMs in use at both ends?  If so,
> Virgin to Virgin SMS for 5c each could be the way to go.

"Not for bulk commercial text"

But you can always try
Simon VK3XEM - 20 Mar 2005 03:03 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
> SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a
> computer to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a
> database.

I just logged into an account for a spare Vodafone Pre-paid SIM I have
with *NO* credit and managed to send an SMS to another phone.  That
maybe worth you looking into.

Signature

The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
VoIP    http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

John Smith - 20 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
Yep.

The vodafone web based SMS tool doesn't check credit. I've actually
found (using a $2 vodafone sim, with no credit), that it actaully
credits you (LOL!) with 1cent to your account, for every couple of free
SMS you send :-).

Send about 30 sms. Have 17cents of credit on the account.

Weird. Hilarious though.

>> Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with *NO* credit and managed to send an SMS to another phone.  That
> maybe worth you looking into.
John Smith - 20 Mar 2005 03:39 GMT
Yep.

The vodafone web based SMS tool doesn't check credit. I've actually
found (using a $2 vodafone sim, with no credit), that it actaully
credits you (LOL!) with 1cent to your account, for every couple of free
SMS you send :-).

Sent about 30 sms, now have around 17cents of credit on the account.

Weird. Hilarious though.

>> Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with *NO* credit and managed to send an SMS to another phone.  That
> maybe worth you looking into.
James Bell - 21 Mar 2005 11:42 GMT
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a prepaid SIM deal with a cheap
> SMS option? I intend to use the SIM for SMS only, connected to a computer
> to send and receive notifications and basic commands for a database.

If you want your kids to have a job, support a Great Australian company like
Telstra.

Or you'll be speaking with a Singapore ching-chong accent in just a few
years.
Simon VK3XEM - 21 Mar 2005 12:04 GMT
>>Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Or you'll be speaking with a Singapore ching-chong accent in just a few
> years.

What a load of sh.t!

If any company can't or won't supply the market competitively they are
*NOT* getting my business.

As for Telstra in my personal experience they deliberately turn a blind
eye to criminal use of their infrastructure because of *GREED* for more
dollars!

Signature

The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
VoIP    http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

James Bell - 21 Mar 2005 13:56 GMT
>>>Hi,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> eye to criminal use of their infrastructure because of *GREED* for more
> dollars!

Well there are two issues here:

1. You are so short sighted (perhaps asain-y already?) that you don't see
the long term costs of supporting some dodgy company. Once Telstra has gone
broke then competition will actually decrease, Stupid.

2. You obviously have a grievance for something that Telstra supposedly
did.. so instead of being objective, you're going into a comparison
half-cocked. Which my sources assure me you will lose.
Peter Hoskin - 21 Mar 2005 14:55 GMT
> Well there are two issues here:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> did.. so instead of being objective, you're going into a comparison
> half-cocked. Which my sources assure me you will lose.

Lets pretend we have an option. I have the choice between telstra or a
telstra reseller for my fixed line service... hmm, now let me see.

Regards,
Peter Hoskin
Simon VK3XEM - 21 Mar 2005 17:43 GMT
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> did.. so instead of being objective, you're going into a comparison
> half-cocked. Which my sources assure me you will lose.

I gave up on Telstra years ago when I got put on a Pension because of
them.  That's another good reason *NOT* to deal with them.

But who cares, I only have to work one or two days a week for something
to do and get a bit of pocket money.  Thanks Telstra!  :)

Signature

The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
VoIP    http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

Michael - 21 Mar 2005 21:11 GMT
> >>>"Peter Hoskin" <N0-SPAMpeterh@N0-SPAM.criten.org> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> I gave up on Telstra years ago when I got put on a Pension because of
> them.  That's another good reason *NOT* to deal with them.

Got run over by one of their vans?
Ahh, I guess Telstra can do some things right . . .

> But who cares, I only have to work one or two days a week for something >
to do and get a bit of pocket money.  Thanks Telstra!  :)

Lazy bum.
James Bell - 22 Mar 2005 13:17 GMT
> I gave up on Telstra years ago when I got put on a Pension because of
> them.  That's another good reason *NOT* to deal with them.
>
> But who cares, I only have to work one or two days a week for something to
> do and get a bit of pocket money.  Thanks Telstra!  :)

That's exactly my point.. you pontificate as if you have a genuine technical
concern and sprout as if you do, but then the truth comes out that its just
a personal vendetta.  Would have been easier if you prefaced your comment
with that fact.
Simon VK3XEM - 22 Mar 2005 13:42 GMT
>>I gave up on Telstra years ago when I got put on a Pension because of
>>them.  That's another good reason *NOT* to deal with them.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> a personal vendetta.  Would have been easier if you prefaced your comment
> with that fact.

There is actually a technical aspect to my grievance with Telstra, but
if they were forced to rectify the problem it would cost *MILLIONS* of
dollars.

As long as Government Departments and large business don't realise they
are being ripped off every month for un-authorised phone calls it will
continue.

But really I don't give a sh.t, this no longer directly affects me but
stuffed if I will support them ever again over they way they treated me.

Signature

The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
VoIP    http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

Michael - 24 Mar 2005 04:39 GMT
> >>I gave up on Telstra years ago when I got put on a Pension because of
> >>them.  That's another good reason *NOT* to deal with them.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> if they were forced to rectify the problem it would cost *MILLIONS* of
> dollars.

crapshit

> As long as Government Departments and large business don't realise they
> are being ripped off every month for un-authorised phone calls it will
> continue.

ok, ill advise the telstra corporate security
Rod Speed - 21 Mar 2005 19:39 GMT
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>> As for Telstra in my personal experience they deliberately turn a blind eye
>> to criminal use of their infrastructure because of *GREED* for more dollars!

> Well there are two issues here:

Nope.

> 1. You are so short sighted (perhaps asain-y already?) that you don't see the
> long term costs of supporting some dodgy company.

Telstra you mean ?

> Once Telstra has gone broke

Taint gunna happen, you watch.

Not even close either, its the only Aust telco making huge profits, fuckwit.

> then competition will actually decrease, Stupid.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

> 2. You obviously have a grievance for something that Telstra supposedly did..
> so instead of being objective, you're going into a comparison half-cocked.
> Which my sources assure me you will lose.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Michael - 21 Mar 2005 21:11 GMT
> >> "Peter Hoskin" <N0-SPAMpeterh@N0-SPAM.criten.org> wrote in message

news:423a89a5$0$27619$61c65585@un-2park-reader-02.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...

> >>>Hi,
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> > eye to criminal use of their infrastructure because of *GREED* for more
> > dollars!

http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
> > VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/
>
> Well there are two issues here:
>
> 1. You are so short sighted (perhaps asain-y already?) that you don't see

Stupid racist pig

> the long term costs of supporting some dodgy company. Once Telstra has gone
> broke then competition will actually decrease, Stupid.

Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot

> 2. You obviously have a grievance for something that Telstra supposedly
> did.. so instead of being objective, you're going into a comparison
> half-cocked. Which my sources assure me you will lose.

And you are an idiot for supporting Telstra just for "Australias" sake
James Bell - 22 Mar 2005 13:18 GMT
> Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot

That's what they said about HIH, Ansett, one.tel, Walter Construction etc
etc..
Rod Speed - 22 Mar 2005 20:03 GMT
>> Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot

> That's what they said about HIH, Ansett, one.tel, Walter Construction etc
> etc..

And anyone with a clue, which obviously counts you out, can see the difference.
Michael - 24 Mar 2005 04:39 GMT
> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
> >
> That's what they said about HIH, Ansett, one.tel, Walter Construction etc
> etc..

you idiot
Telstra is a $60 billion company
with massive revenues
James Bell - 24 Mar 2005 14:22 GMT
>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Telstra is a $60 billion company
> with massive revenues

That's because people have been patriotic and supported it in the past. We
need to make sure we continue to do so in the future.
Rod Speed - 24 Mar 2005 20:22 GMT
>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> Telstra is a $60 billion company
>> with massive revenues

> That's because people have been patriotic and supported it in the past.

Nope.

> We need to make sure we continue to do so in the future.

Nope, pure inertia will stop them going broke any time soon, stupid.
Michael - 25 Mar 2005 01:22 GMT
> >> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That's because people have been patriotic and supported it in the past. We
> need to make sure we continue to do so in the future.

Only a stupid customer supports Telstra out of "patriotism".
Most buy through Telstra due to superior price, quality, and service.

If you dont like Telstras offerings, go elsewhere.

I wouldnt support ANY company out of "patriotism".
John Henderson - 25 Mar 2005 01:51 GMT
> Only a stupid customer supports Telstra out of "patriotism".
> Most buy through Telstra due to superior price, quality, and
> service.

It's time I got rid of those Telstra shares then.

John
James Bell - 25 Mar 2005 04:43 GMT
> Most buy through Telstra due to superior price, quality, and service.

HA HA
Michael - 25 Mar 2005 10:06 GMT
> > Most buy through Telstra due to superior price, quality, and service.
>
> HA HA

Dont feed the troll.
Martin Taylor - 27 Mar 2005 16:00 GMT
Michael said....

> I wouldnt support ANY company out of "patriotism".

It would appear that the majority of Australians would agree with you,
given the number of companies operating in Oz that aren't Australian
owned. And pretty soon, Telstra will also fall under that category...

Signature

42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Rod Speed - 27 Mar 2005 23:22 GMT
> Michael said....

>> I wouldnt support ANY company out of "patriotism".

> It would appear that the majority of Australians
> would agree with you, given the number of companies
> operating in Oz that aren't Australian owned.

Yep, they aint that stupid.

AND you 'work' for one of them yourself too.

> And pretty soon, Telstra will also fall under that category...

Wrong. There's a legal limit on the % of foreign ownership, stupid.
Michael - 28 Mar 2005 10:13 GMT
> Michael said....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> given the number of companies operating in Oz that aren't Australian
> owned. And pretty soon, Telstra will also fall under that category...

I think it will be a very long time before Telstra is not majority Aus owned

> 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.
The Family - 28 Mar 2005 17:22 GMT
>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Telstra is a $60 billion company
> with massive revenues

...and with a market cap of about half what it was a few years ago.

Not a happy trend.
Rod Speed - 28 Mar 2005 19:39 GMT
>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Not a happy trend.

Pity it aint a 'trend', just some fools woke up and smelt the coffee.
The Family - 29 Mar 2005 18:36 GMT
>>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Pity it aint a 'trend', just some fools woke up and smelt the coffee.

Do a TLS graph.  Obvious.
Rod Speed - 29 Mar 2005 19:35 GMT
>>>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Do a TLS graph.  Obvious.

Not a f.cking clue, as always.
The Family - 31 Mar 2005 19:51 GMT
>>>>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>>>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Not a f.cking clue, as always.

Graph TLS over, say, 2 years.  OK, done?  See anything?  Essentially flat in
a bull market.  Lousy performance.  Go back further and it looks much worse.

Now do an overlay graph of TLS and SGT for the past couple of years.  Where
would you rather have your money?  It's obvious - SGT has a track record of
financial performance.  TLS does not.
Michael - 31 Mar 2005 23:12 GMT
> >> Do a TLS graph.  Obvious.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> would you rather have your money?  It's obvious - SGT has a track record of
> financial performance.  TLS does not.

LOL
Rod Speed - 01 Apr 2005 00:05 GMT
>>>>>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>>>>>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>
>> Not a f.cking clue, as always.

> Graph TLS over, say, 2 years.  OK, done?  See anything?  Essentially flat in a
> bull market.  Lousy performance.  Go back further and it looks much worse.

Not a f.cking clue, as always.

> Now do an overlay graph of TLS and SGT for the past couple of years.  Where
> would you rather have your money?  It's obvious - SGT has a track record of
> financial performance.  TLS does not.

Separate matter entirely, fuckwit.

And the profit SGT makes in Australia is pathetic, and always has been with the
operation they were stupid enough to piss all that money against the wall on.
Michael - 30 Mar 2005 07:13 GMT
> >>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
> >>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Do a TLS graph.  Obvious.

yes, it has been going up gradually, lately, thanks for noticing
The Family - 31 Mar 2005 19:51 GMT
>> >>>> > Telstra will never go broke, you stupid idiot
>> >>>> >
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> yes, it has been going up gradually, lately, thanks for noticing

Good to see the depth of financial analysis that Telstra employees exhibit.
TLS has been essentially trading flat for the past 3 years: $4.75 +- $0.50.
A minor up-tick in Feb/Mar is nothing that anyone except day traders (ie
market losers) would get excited about.
 
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