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Experts! What options are best for me? (Perth)

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BlueTongue - 22 Jul 2005 21:38 GMT
I'm returning to Perth after a decade in the US. I'm totally unfamiliar
with what has gone on in Australia in the mobile market in the last 8 years.

Question: From a coverage and price point of view, which company offers
the best packages in PERTH?

Thank you.
icedark - 23 Jul 2005 04:34 GMT
It really depends on how much coverage you need, and how much you spend
per month.

Also, you may need a new mobile, depends if your current one that you
use in the US is triband or not.

If your a heavy spender, I suggest one of Vodafones caps.
They have a $49 cap, which gives you $230 worth of standard calls, SMS,
MMS and more and you only pay $49 a month.
They also have a $79 and a $149 cap, which gives you $500 and $1200
worth of standard calls, SMS and MMS and you only pay the cap price.
You can choose to pay through Prepay, or just a normal bill in the
mail. If you say only use $36 dollars one month, you'll only pay $36.
But if you use say $100, you'll pay the price of your cap, eg $49.
Vodafone also offer normal Prepaid. Vodafone are also good because they
charge by the second, not in 30 second lumps. You can check out
vodafone's coverage maps on www.vodafone.com.au 

If your a light spender, 3 has a $29 cap which gives you $120 worth of
calls. 3 has 3G coverage only in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Brisbane,
Adelaide and soon to be Canberra. Once your out of this coverage zone,
you fall back on to Telstra's GSM network, which 'suposedly' has the
best GSM coverage in Australia. I'm not sure about this, so please
correct me if im wrong. Once your out of 3's coverage, you can only
make/recieve voice calls, sms and mms. When your in 3's coverage, you
can make video calls, access 3's services, voice calls, sms and mms.
The drawback with 3 is that they only have 3G services in the city, and
inner suburbs, and you have to buy a phone from them to sign up for the
service. Three's website is www.three.com.au. They also offer 3
prepaid.

You can also go on Prepaid, if you prefer not to have a bill. You
simply buy a starter kit from say a supermarket, on Telstra, Optus,
Vodafone, Virgin Mobile or AAPT. for usually $30. Comes with $30 worth
of credit, and a simcard. Pop the simcard in your phone, ring up the
number on the pack, give them your details, and your done. When your
credit runs out, simply go to a petrol station, supermarket, a mobile
shop that sells your carriers mobiles etc, and ask for a recharge. They
usually come in denominations from $15 - $100. And you can continue to
make calls.

A very good company is iSim and I suggest their prepaid service. They
run on Optus' network so you get good coverage, and they offer a cheap
call rate. Check out their website at www.isim.com.au. You have to sign
up online for iSim. They dont charge flagfall, and calls are charged at
at a flat rate of 39c/min, billed per second, 15c SMS and 19c/voicemail
retrieval.

Hope this helps,
icedark

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Giles - 23 Jul 2005 05:41 GMT
> If your a heavy spender, I suggest one of Vodafones caps.
> They have a $49 cap, which gives you $230 worth of standard calls, SMS,
> MMS and more and you only pay $49 a month.
[snip]
> You can choose to pay through Prepay, or just a normal bill in the
> mail. If you say only use $36 dollars one month, you'll only pay $36.
> But if you use say $100, you'll pay the price of your cap, eg $49.

Reasonable advice, but note that Vodafone's $49 Maxi Cap is only available
on prepay (not postpaid).  Also, to maintain the Maxi Cap offer, you have to
recharge with $49 - thus if you make calls worth only $36, you still pay
$49.

=-=-=
http://www.vodafone.com.au/rep/redSim.jsp?gs=foryou&hd=mobiles&st=promo280803

$49 Maxi Cap
Get $230 worth of standard calls, TXT, PXT and more and pay no more than $49
each month.

Choose from 3 payment options:
Prepay*, Auto Prepay* or Capped Monthly* [all prepay options]
icedark - 23 Jul 2005 06:21 GMT
Thanks giles, i didnt realise that the $49 cap was avaliable only on
prepay, i fixed it up anyway.

icedark

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John Phillips - 23 Jul 2005 06:13 GMT
> Also, you may need a new mobile, depends if your current one that you
> use in the US is triband or not.

Even if triband, will still need a new mobile to pick up GSM1800

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budgie - 23 Jul 2005 04:36 GMT
>I'm returning to Perth after a decade in the US. I'm totally unfamiliar
>with what has gone on in Australia in the mobile market in the last 8 years.

There are three GSM networks, operated by Telstra, Optus and Vodafone.
There is one national CDMA network, operated by Telstra.

GSM coverage is aimed at urban areas, gets a tad thin once you get out of the
smog, and despite claims of 90-whatever percentage population cover this
translates to pathetic area cover in the boonies.

CDMA replaced the old AMPS analog service that would have been here in your day.
Boonies coverage has been stepped up but it still has a loooong way to go here
in WA.

>Question: From a coverage and price point of view, which company offers
>the best packages in PERTH?

Coverage:  Telstra, Optus and Vodafone in that order - but it obviously varies
from place to place.  T & O are fairly close, but V are a fair way down once you
get outside the metro area.  Don't believe any of the coverage maps - they are
full of wildly optimistic claims.  (Take only after meals, with a bucket of
salt.)

Price:  Depends on your usage.  For the basic phone/SMS services for a budget
(low outgoing aka "glovebox" user) the current best around is iSim (wholly owned
subsidiary of Optus).  One of the (very) few with no flagfall, and 39c/min IIRC
billed by the second.  This is a pre-paid plan.

As your volume goes up, there are a veritable raft of alternate plans offering
different features (aka marketing gimmicks).  You really need to define your
usage pattern to be able to get much further.  Then do the maths to see if a
capped plan gives you a better cost/month than say iSim.

Watch the billing basis - many plans bill by the 30-sec or 60-sec block or part
thereof.  When you add flagfall and the "block" cost, there is a dramatic
difference in costs for short call operation - the "Dad, I'm down at the bus
stop,  Can you pick me up?" stuff.

Assuming you have returned sans handset, most operators provide numerous plans
with bundled handsets.  Not always the best way - often to buy outright at a
competitive price and bring the handset into a SIM-only plan is noticeably
cheaper.  Also most operators' bundled handsets are network locked or SIM
locked, with a penalty for leaving their network.

Just my 2.2c worth - which raises one last point.  Aus has a 10% Goods &
Services Tax introduced on 1/7/2000 which will in most cases be added on to
whatever plan/call prices you see.  Very few operators actually quote the
tax-inclusive price, preferring to have a small asterisk leading to an even
smaller footnote which says "plus GST".

Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth
BlueTongue - 23 Jul 2005 08:27 GMT
> Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth

Thanks, all of you, for this excellent advice! I will probably go the
iSIM route. I already own a new 900/1800 Nokia phone, bought here in the
USA *unlocked*.

Quick question: when I get back, short of enrolling for iSIM with the
whole rigmarole that it involves (and I don't have all the ID
requirements they need yet), is there a quick way to get my phone
temporarily working by simply walking into the nearest shop and buying a
generic SIM card for this phone? If so, what's the cheapest/best?

Ta!
icedark - 23 Jul 2005 08:39 GMT
Probably the best option is buying a prepaid sim card from a supermarket
or a post office or something. All you need is usually a drivers
licence, passport or something. I recomend Vodafone, as the cheapest.
Just grab a Red SIM with some credit on it and your good to go. You
will need some form of ID for this though, and you will need ID when
signing up for any mobile service. You dont need too much though for
prepaid, as I said just a drivers licence or something. Costs $29.95
and comes with $30 worth of calls, sms, mms, wap (internet) and so
forth. You can also pick a value bundle when you sign up, Free TXT (60
free sms when you sign up and more when you recharge), Night Talker (2
hours of free calls 8pm till 8am seven days a week), or Talker (Cheap
call rates to anyone, 24/7). Then once your credit runs out, or youve
had enough you can sign up with who you want.

icedark

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Rod Speed - 23 Jul 2005 22:32 GMT
> Thanks, all of you, for this excellent advice! I will probably go the iSIM
> route. I already own a new 900/1800 Nokia phone, bought here in the USA
> *unlocked*.

> Quick question: when I get back, short of enrolling for iSIM with the whole
> rigmarole that it involves (and I don't have all the ID requirements they need
> yet), is there a quick way to get my phone temporarily working by simply
> walking into the nearest shop and buying a generic SIM card for this phone?

Yes.

> If so, what's the cheapest/best?

The vodafone red sim has some advantages for a temporary.
A User - 24 Jul 2005 11:15 GMT
>> Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth
>
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>
>Ta!

Same rigmarole on any Prepay or post pay, where ID is concerned, it's
a government requirement.
Rod Speed - 24 Jul 2005 19:28 GMT
>>> Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> buying a generic SIM card for this phone? If so, what's the
>> cheapest/best?

> Same rigmarole on any Prepay or post pay, where ID is concerned,

Nope, most obviously with stores that dont bother to check with prepaid.

> it's a government requirement.

Yes, but widely flouted with prepaid.
A User - 24 Jul 2005 22:27 GMT
>>>> Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Yes, but widely flouted with prepaid.

It's an interesting point, though. What do visitors need to activate?
Rod Speed - 25 Jul 2005 03:07 GMT
>>>>> Welcome back to sunny(?) Perth
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> It's an interesting point, though. What do visitors need to activate?

Nothing much, just the passport will do fine.
TA 2000 - 23 Jul 2005 11:06 GMT
budgie Wrote:

> GSM coverage is aimed at urban areas, gets a tad thin once you get out
> of the
> smog, and despite claims of 90-whatever percentage population cover
> this
> translates to pathetic area cover in the boonies.

Not really, coverage is reasonable Telstra's GSM network covers around
7% of Land Mass.

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TA 2000

icedark - 23 Jul 2005 11:10 GMT
And Telstra's GSM network covers 96% of the population. So I guess that
means 96% of the population all live on that approx 7% of land mass?

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Michael - 30 Jul 2005 09:09 GMT
> And Telstra's GSM network covers 96% of the population. So I guess that
> means 96% of the population all live on that approx 7% of land mass?

No, CDMA is 98% coverage for the 7% of land mass.
Rod Speed - 23 Jul 2005 22:30 GMT
>> I'm returning to Perth after a decade in the US. I'm totally
>> unfamiliar with what has gone on in Australia in the mobile market
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> actually quote the tax-inclusive price, preferring to have a small
> asterisk leading to an even smaller footnote which says "plus GST".

Bullshit.
Michael - 30 Jul 2005 08:58 GMT
> > Just my 2.2c worth - which raises one last point.  Aus has a 10%
> > Goods & Services Tax introduced on 1/7/2000 which will in most cases
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bullshit.

Areed. Unusual for budgie to quote such shite
Michael - 30 Jul 2005 08:58 GMT
> Just my 2.2c worth - which raises one last point.  Aus has a 10% Goods &
> Services Tax introduced on 1/7/2000 which will in most cases be added on to
> whatever plan/call prices you see.  Very few operators actually quote the
> tax-inclusive price, preferring to have a small asterisk leading to an even
> smaller footnote which says "plus GST".

What a load of shite.

Name ONE or even TWO ops that do that.
icedark - 23 Jul 2005 11:33 GMT
True, Vodafone is good along highways, and it really does depend where
you are, but when im not on a highway, and really out in the bush, I do
find Telstra and Optus better. Although I did find one time, in one
remote spot, Vodafone had 3/4 coverage, and optus and telstra had none.
Just depends where you are.

Also, Vodafone does now roam onto Telstra GSM but only if you are on a
plan.
http://www.vodafone.com.au/rep/coverage/national_roaming.jsp?gs=foryou&hd=covera
ge&st=australian&ss=national_roaming


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