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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / November 2005Telstra closes CDMA -official!
Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) > > http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 what is the maximum useful flat ground range of a 850MHz 3G GSM cell? > what is the maximum useful flat ground range of a 850MHz 3G > GSM cell? Highly dependant on traffic volume, but as good as current CDMA when traffic's light. John >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) > >http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 Aaaahh, shite. Have to archive the CDMA set next to my old moto analog flip. > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) > > http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 The only winner in this is handset makers. Great...another type of network. > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) > > http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people!  SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 Any information regarding Greg can be sent to intruder@vk3xem.net >> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) >> >> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 > > This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people! Why is that? They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network with higher data speeds, video calling, and full GSM global roaming on the one handset with huge coverage across Australia. Why would that piss you off when so many people have been requesting it for a LONG time. The IS-95 network is not going to switch off tomorrow and most people will upgrade their handsets over the next few years anyway. If you had the option of a 850/900/1800/1900GSM & 850/2100UMTS network phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across Australia which one would you choose???? > Why is that? > They're going to be quite happy to finally have a superior 3G network [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across > Australia which one would you choose???? Personally it doesn't bother me but most people on CDMA that I know aren't interested in all of that, all they want is a phone to talk on. Unless they make basic UMTS handsets these people are going to be left out. SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 Any information regarding Greg can be sent to intruder@vk3xem.net >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across >Australia which one would you choose???? Well, if I was buying new I'd obviously choose as you suggest. However, having identical CDMA phones throughout the family with 4 full car kits and other miscellaneous data patching gear to allow interchangeability it would be a serious financial loss to us. > Well, if I was buying new I'd obviously choose as you suggest. > > However, having identical CDMA phones throughout the family with 4 > full car kits and other miscellaneous data patching gear to allow > interchangeability it would be a serious financial loss to us. 3GSM at 850 will use the same band as current CDMA phones so there is no technical reason you can't use your current hands free kits and antennas. With a large market of current CDMA users which use external antennas the handset manufacturers will likely keep the same connection interfaces to lock you into their handset brand. If you currently have handsets made by Kyocera etc. that don't make GSM/3GSM handsets well you'll be sh.t out of luck. >> Well, if I was buying new I'd obviously choose as you suggest. >> However, having identical CDMA phones throughout the family with 4 full car >> kits and other miscellaneous data patching gear to allow interchangeability >> it would be a serious financial loss to us. > 3GSM at 850 will use the same band as current CDMA phones so there is no > technical reason you can't use your current hands free kits and antennas. With > a large market of current CDMA users which use external antennas the handset > manufacturers will likely keep the same connection interfaces to lock you into > their handset brand. Fantasy. Thats a tiny part of the world market. > If you currently have handsets made by Kyocera etc. that don't make GSM/3GSM > handsets well you'll be sh.t out of luck. And Sol may well be on scrapping CDMA anyway. Im a farmer and I find the data on CDMA to be a lot faster that GSM networks EVDO is very quick.. Another reason the American dickhead running Telstra should go home and not turn our system as crappy as the USA's system.. >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across Australia > which one would you choose???? > Im a farmer and I find the data on CDMA to be a lot faster that GSM That's because it is. > networks EVDO is very quick.. Yep. > Another reason the American dickhead running Telstra should go home > and not turn our system as crappy as the USA's system.. Totally irrelevant. 3G is not GSM. SignatureKwyj > > Im a farmer and I find the data on CDMA to be a lot faster that GSM > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Totally irrelevant. > 3G is not GSM. Its closer to GSM than CDMA >> Totally irrelevant. >> 3G is not GSM. > > Its closer to GSM than CDMA Wrong in terms of customer experience (coverage/range, data rates etc.) Also wrong in terms of the technology being used. SignatureKwyj > Im a farmer and I find the data on CDMA to be a lot faster that GSM networks > EVDO is very quick.. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across Australia >> which one would you choose???? I agree, I'm near Taree (dairy and beef farming) and the amount of support here for CDMA, their appropriate range of options and the better coverage is phenomenal. For a long time I used B&W Kyocera mobiles and they were better than anything other than the old analogue around the area. Most people around here that want a camera go and buy a proper digital camera. >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > phone or an IS-95 850MHz CDMA hone with the same coverage across > Australia which one would you choose???? How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA??? Either systems still need shitloads more towers than they currently have. I know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is some miracle child that triples the range...get real. >>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the >>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA??? Who said anything about 'better range'? He said it would have the same coverage. > Either > systems still need shitloads more towers than they currently have. I > know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is > some miracle child that triples the range...get real. It's basically the same as CDMA, which even you have been saying is great. SignatureKwyj >>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the >>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > How the hell is 3G going to have better range than CDMA??? Either > systems still need shitloads more towers than they currently have. Nope, 3G on the 850MHz band doesnt. > I know of whole areas without mobile (ex sat) coverage. So unless 3G is some > miracle child that triples the range...get real. > > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec tID=35898 > This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people! Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards Grow your own food? I do >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Grow your own food? I do Well f.ck off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate greedy c$#t!!! But I'll bet you will be the first to bitch if the country goes downhill because the farmers don't export their grain etc and actually bring some money back into the country. >>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the >>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining >> bastards Grow your own food? I do > Well f.ck off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate greedy > c$#t!!! > But I'll bet you will be the first to bitch if the country goes > downhill because the farmers don't export their grain etc Taint gunna happen. The drought didnt have much effect at all. > and actually bring some money back into the country. Other stuff does that much more. > >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > >>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec > > tID=35898 > >> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Well f.ck off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate > greedy c$#t!!! As above, I do grow my own vegies. Farmers and country people are all a bunch of whinging whining bastards You just proved it. > But I'll bet you will be the first to bitch if the country goes downhill > because the farmers don't export their grain etc and actually bring some > money back into the country. Primary industries, pffft Anyone can grow wheat into the ground and have it grow. >>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with >>>>> the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Primary industries, pffft > Anyone can grow wheat into the ground and have it grow. It grows a lot better out of the ground. > >>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with > >>>>> the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec > >>> tID=35898 > >>>> This is really going to piss off the farmers and country people! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It grows a lot better out of the ground. Very true :-) >>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>>> footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Well f.ck off and grow your own beef, lamb and vegies you inconsiderate > greedy c$#t!!! Actually, beef and lamb come from animals, so the correct term is "fatten up" not "grow". >>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with >>>>> the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Actually, beef and lamb come from animals, so the correct term is > "fatten up" not "grow". Bit hard to fatten them until they have grown. >>>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with >>>>>> the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bit hard to fatten them until they have grown. Perhaps. Though you *can* fatten up baby animals. Same with humans. There are plenty of fatty little toddlers waddling around supermarkets with their parents. But I take your point. >>>>>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with >>>>>>> the same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> Actually, beef and lamb come from animals, so the correct term is >>> "fatten up" not "grow". >> Bit hard to fatten them until they have grown. > Perhaps. Though you *can* fatten up baby animals. Sure but that isnt done with beef and lamb. Beef isnt even baby animals anyway, thats veal, tho still older than babys. > Same with humans. There are plenty of fatty little toddlers > waddling around supermarkets with their parents. Sure, but you dont get microhippo lambs and vealers. > But I take your point. >> > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >> > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Grow your own food? I do Pity about Barnaby Joyce Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government approval which is very unlikely. Readis the news release. I realy get fed up with people who don't get their facts straight . Get your alarmist kicks somewhere else. Jh > Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec tID=35898 There is nothing alarmist about it. Telstra have stated quite clearly: "We are Announcing Today a Plan to Standardise on a Single, National 3G GSM Mobile Network" That being a dual band 850/2100 MHz UMTS network. 2G GSM at 900 & 1800 MHz and the 2G/3G IS-95 & EV-DO at 850 MHz will be migrated to the new network. Once the government sees that the 850MHz UMTS network has the same coverage as the existing IS-95 network they won't hesitate to approve the de-commissioning. > Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec > tID=35898 > There is nothing alarmist about it. Telstra have stated quite clearly: > "We are Announcing Today a Plan to Standardise on a Single, National [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > coverage as the existing IS-95 network they won't hesitate to approve > the de-commissioning. We'll see... The govt needs to pander to the voters, stupid. >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Objec >> tID=35898 > There is nothing alarmist about it. Telstra have stated quite clearly: > "We are Announcing Today a Plan to Standardise on a Single, National 3G [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> tID=35898 And then when they finally get the bloody thing near working, they will replace it again, as per usual. > Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. > > Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government approval > which is very unlikely. Readis the news release. They dont need government "permission" to close anything >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >> >> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government >> approval which is very unlikely. Readis the news release. > > They dont need government "permission" to close anything They do need govt permission to use that band for 3G, stupid. > >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They do need govt permission to use that band for 3G, stupid. No they dont. Its their spectrum, they can do whatever they want with it. Including nothing > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote >>> john harrison <harrisonh@mpx.com.au> wrote >>>> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >>>> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government >>>> approval which is very unlikely. Readis the news release. >>> They dont need government "permission" to close anything >> They do need govt permission to use that band for 3G, stupid. > No they dont. Yes they do. > Its their spectrum, No it isnt. > they can do whatever they want with it. Not a f.cking clue, as always. They cant broadcast TV on it, fuckwit. > Including nothing Even telstra aint actually that stupid if they arent allowed to use it for 3G. And they cant just shut down what CDMA the govt paid for either. >>>> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No they dont. Its their spectrum, they can do whatever they want with it. > Including nothing Actually if you check the ACMA rules and regs you may find that all is still required to be approved and licensed by the governing body. >> >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > No they dont. Its their spectrum, they can do whatever they want with it. > Including nothing Pity about the Radiocommunications Act. Pity they are going to have different transmit characteristics that needs ACMA approval. >> Get your facts straight and stop being alarmist. >> >> Telstra will only close the CDMA network if they get Government approval >> which is very unlikely. Readis the news release. > > They dont need government "permission" to close anything Pity about Barnaby Joyce Pity about the 51% shareholder too >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) > >http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=35898 "Telstra's Chief Operations Officer Greg Winn ... said that Telstra spends more than four times on capex per CDMA subscriber than it does per GSM subscriber". Who's surprised? That's the sort of number you'd expect in this country with big empty spaces with sparse population. But if Telstra ever had a clue, they should have been able to work this out ten years back. It never was going to be on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM. Kill the GSM network. I can see why we would use a technically inferior network anyway.. >>Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >>footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to be > on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM. > >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > should have been able to work this out ten years back. It never was going to be > on the same ROI numbers as urban GSM. What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the best deal I can from Telstra. >>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the >>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the > best deal I can from Telstra. Like it or lump it. True in spades with non capital city landline and adsl services. >> >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >> >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the best > deal I can from Telstra. Howard shut down the analogue network, more fool him. >>>> Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the >>>> same footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the >> best deal I can from Telstra. > Howard shut down the analogue network, Lie, that was a contractual agreement done by Labor. > more fool him. More fool Labor, actually. > >> >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same > >> >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Howard shut down the analogue network, more fool him. Yep, stupid decision. It should have been allowed to die a slow, COMMERCIAL death >> >Telstra will replace the CDMA network with a UMTS network with the same >> >footprint. (By using the 850MHz band for UMTS) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >What that indicates, as a GSM customer, is that I'm not getting the best >deal I can from Telstra. Who ever does? Does 3g gsm cause interference to audio gear? Apart form the coverage issue i work in the audio area and it is good to have a phone that does not cause buzz into everything. Cheers Dave > Does 3g gsm cause interference to audio gear? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cheers > Dave 3G GSM uses W-CDMA not TDMA of standard GSM. The interference effect is similar to the current IS-95 CDMA network which is considerably less than GSM, BUT you need to consider that UMTS phones will roam onto the GSM network if it can't discover a UMTS signal (unless you specificaly lock out the GSM networks in the handset). Thanks for that info, i also forgot to ask if 3g has the distance limitations from the nearest tower as gsm 32km i think. Dave nope. > Thanks for that info, i also forgot to ask if 3g has the distance > limitations from the nearest tower as gsm 32km > i think. > > Dave > BUT you need to consider that UMTS phones will roam onto the > GSM network if it can't discover a UMTS sig Will GSM phones roam on the 3G network as well? Would be great in the bush. Bet they are crying at Qualcomm over loss of royalties and sales of CDMA gear etc. > Bet they are crying at Qualcomm over loss of royalties and sales of CDMA > gear etc. Probably not crying to much - Qualcomm pretty much own WCDMA as well. >> BUT you need to consider that UMTS phones will roam onto the >>GSM network if it can't discover a UMTS sig > > Will GSM phones roam on the 3G network as well? Would be great in the bush. NO. 2G GSM phones neither operate in the same band or are capable of supporting the W-CDMA air interface of UMTS. The reverse is true for UMTS phones in that they will for the foreseeable future be backwards compatible to 2G GSM networks for as long as those networks exist. > Bet they are crying at Qualcomm over loss of royalties and sales of CDMA > gear etc. Actually Qualcomm are the ones that primarily engineered the wideband CDMA (W-CDMA) used in UMTS networks and have the greatest number of patents for the technology so they'll be cashing in for many years until those patents run out. > NO. 2G GSM phones neither operate in the same band or are capable of > supporting the W-CDMA air interface of UMTS. > The reverse is true for UMTS phones in that they will for the > foreseeable future be backwards compatible to 2G GSM networks for as > long as those networks exist. All too complicated for me! So we will all need a quad band GSM phone if travelling to U$A, plus the ability on the same phone to pick up 3G? Feverish minds needs to know! The first UMTS1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handset has been announced (Nokia N80), so perhaps late next year UMTS850/1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handsets will be available. Link? > The first UMTS1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handset has been > announced (Nokia N80), so perhaps late next year UMTS850/1900/2100 + > GSM850/900/1800/1900 handsets will be available. http://nokia.com/n80 > Link? > > > The first UMTS1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handset has been > > announced (Nokia N80) > Link? > >> The first UMTS1900/2100 + GSM850/900/1800/1900 handset has been >> announced (Nokia N80), so perhaps late next year UMTS850/1900/2100 + >> GSM850/900/1800/1900 handsets will be available. Someone on ebay when I checked last was trying to sell a bulk lot from China. Don't know if they would work in our system or not. |
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