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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / December 2005Cost of Telstra free home?
Scenario: My landline is with Telstra. My mobile is with Telstra CDMA. My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable. No contracts at all. I own necessary hardware. Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another reliable service bypassing fixed line. Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee). Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract and probably new hand set- (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider). Internet connection can be switched to ADSL (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost of a new modem and monthly fee. Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going? My rough calculation- if I can do it at all- about $800+ plus contracts- arrgh. As you can see not an easy decision- and if I know it- so does Telstra. nelly Sounds good in theory , however VOIP cannot be reliable for emergency calls You cannot get out of line rental and thats why Telstra have announced the end of cable in 2009 as landline based services via adsl 2 will be faster ( paytv etc ) Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is new again and they make more money > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > nelly > Sounds good in theory , however VOIP cannot be reliable for emergency calls It can't? why? >> Sounds good in theory , however VOIP cannot be reliable for emergency >> calls > > It can't? why? Power goes down, ISP dies, computer/adapter dies = no emergency call. > >> Sounds good in theory , however VOIP cannot be reliable for emergency > >> calls > > > > It can't? why? > > Power goes down, ISP dies, computer/adapter dies = no emergency call. Also some VOIP providers dont redirect 000 to emergency centres . please confirm with VOIP providers when you enquire so to avoid potential disasters . Thanks Fruitloop, Emergency calls- not an issue in this case as they can be made on mobile. Is $5 increase in harmony with CPI increase- I mean I hopeTelstra employees in fixed line area will receive 17% pay rise from 1st Dec... I am ashamed to be so ungrateful to the No1 Telstra share holder. If I can't get rid of Telstra and Telstra knows it then increase of 17% is nothing- they could have asked for 170% and I would still have to pay. nelly > Sounds good in theory , however VOIP cannot be reliable for emergency > calls [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is new again and they make more > money > Thanks Fruitloop, > Emergency calls- not an issue in this case as they can be made on mobile. > Is $5 increase in harmony with CPI increase- I mean I hopeTelstra employees > in fixed line area will receive 17% pay rise from 1st Dec... What $5 rise? Unless you are talking homeline part > I am ashamed to be so ungrateful to the No1 Telstra share holder. > If I can't get rid of Telstra and Telstra knows it then increase of 17% is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is new again and they make more > > money >Thanks Fruitloop, >Emergency calls- not an issue in this case as they can be made on mobile. But calls to an alarm monitoring company are not emergency calls - the only numbers that can be called for free via mobile phone networks are 000 and 112 in Australia. Unless the alarm devices calls one of those numbers then the calls will be charged no matter what method is used to place them. Craig.  SignatureCraig Dewick (craig@poison.lios.apana.org.au). http://lios.apana.org.au/~craig APANA Sydney Deputy Regional Co-ordinator. Operator of Jedi (APANA Sydney POP) Always striving for a secure long-term future in an insecure short-term world Have you exported a crypto system today? Do your bit to undermine the NSA. Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. > nelly <nelly@nospamgpo.com> writes >> Emergency calls- not an issue in this case as they can be made on mobile. > But calls to an alarm monitoring company are not emergency calls - She didnt say those are going to be made on the mobile. > the only numbers that can be called for free via > mobile phone networks are 000 and 112 in Australia. Fine for real emergency calls. > Unless the alarm devices calls one of those numbers then the calls > will be charged no matter what method is used to place them. She didnt say those are going to be made on the mobile. > Sounds good in theory , however VOIP > cannot be reliable for emergency calls Doesnt need to be with a mobile. And she needs the landline anyway. > You cannot get out of line rental and thats why Telstra > have announced the end of cable in 2009 as landline > based services via adsl 2 will be faster ( paytv etc ) That isnt the reason. > Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is > new again and they make more money It remains to be seen if they will be allowed to not resell fibre to the node and they have said they wont bother with it if they are forced to resell it. Thats unlikely to be bluff. >> Scenario: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> nelly > > Sounds good in theory , however VOIP > > cannot be reliable for emergency calls > > Doesnt need to be with a mobile. Again cant be relied upon , landline is more reliable and recommended by emergency services fool . Emergency services actually reference your phone # with actual location which can help and save both mistakes and time . Your obviously not into emergency services . > And she needs the landline anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That isnt the reason. Its reality and he has a cable account fool . > > Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is > > new again and they make more money > > It remains to be seen if they will be allowed to not resell > fibre to the node and they have said they wont bother with > it if they are forced to resell it. Thats unlikely to be bluff. Crap that has nothing to do with OP , typical rod speed bullshit . > >> Scenario: > >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > >> nelly > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote >>> Sounds good in theory , however VOIP >>> cannot be reliable for emergency calls >> Doesnt need to be with a mobile. > Again cant be relied upon , landline is more reliable > and recommended by emergency services fool . Again, she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. > Emergency services actually reference your phone # with actual > location which can help and save both mistakes and time . Sure, its got some advantages with little kids etc, but she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. > Your obviously not into emergency services . Wrong, as always. I use both, because I can need to call emergency services from my mobile, fuckwit. >> And she needs the landline anyway. >>> You cannot get out of line rental and thats why Telstra >>> have announced the end of cable in 2009 as landline >>> based services via adsl 2 will be faster ( paytv etc ) >> That isnt the reason. > Its reality Nope, not if the govt wont allow telstra to refuse to resell the fibre to the node services, fuckwit. > and he has a cable account fool . SHE wants to get rid of the cable, fuckwit. And she needs the landline for the alarm service anyway. >>> Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is >>> new again and they make more money >> It remains to be seen if they will be allowed to not resell >> fibre to the node and they have said they wont bother with >> it if they are forced to resell it. Thats unlikely to be bluff. > Crap that has nothing to do with OP , It has everything to do with your mindless pig ignorant sh.t tho. >>>> Scenario: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>>> >>>> nelly > > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Again, she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. Thats what Im saying , get with the program fool , your in a circular loop . > > Emergency services actually reference your phone # with actual > > location which can help and save both mistakes and time . > > Sure, its got some advantages with little kids etc, > but she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. Circular crap again , you were suggesting mobiles fool , they are not linked to location at emergency services level . Thanx for acknowledging landlines are important , again . > > Your obviously not into emergency services . > > Wrong, as always. I use both, because I can need > to call emergency services from my mobile, fuckwit. Circular crap again , you were suggesting mobiles fool , they are not linked to location at emergency services level . Thanx for acknowledging landlines are important , again . > >> And she needs the landline anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Nope, not if the govt wont allow telstra to refuse > to resell the fibre to the node services, fuckwit. Again nothing to do with ADSL or telephones to the people . > > and he has a cable account fool . > > SHE wants to get rid of the cable, fuckwit. I again stated that cables been made redundant , another reason to look at other options , get with the program fool . > And she needs the landline for the alarm service anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > It has everything to do with your mindless pig ignorant sh.t tho. Mindless crap .........your full of it > >>>> Scenario: > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >>>> > >>>> nelly > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote >>>>> Sounds good in theory , however VOIP >>>>> cannot be reliable for emergency calls >>>> Doesnt need to be with a mobile. >>> Again cant be relied upon , landline is more reliable >>> and recommended by emergency services fool . >> Again, she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. > Thats what Im saying , Couldnt bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag... >>> Emergency services actually reference your phone # with actual >>> location which can help and save both mistakes and time . >> Sure, its got some advantages with little kids etc, >> but she has to keep the landline anyway, fuckwit. > Circular crap again , you were suggesting mobiles fool , > they are not linked to location at emergency services level . > Thanx for acknowledging landlines are important , again . Couldnt bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag... >>> Your obviously not into emergency services . >> Wrong, as always. I use both, because I can need >> to call emergency services from my mobile, fuckwit. > Circular crap again , you were suggesting mobiles fool , > they are not linked to location at emergency services level . > Thanx for acknowledging landlines are important , again . Couldnt bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag... >>>> And she needs the landline anyway. >>>>> You cannot get out of line rental and thats why Telstra >>>>> have announced the end of cable in 2009 as landline >>>>> based services via adsl 2 will be faster ( paytv etc ) >>>> That isnt the reason. >>> Its reality >> Nope, not if the govt wont allow telstra to refuse >> to resell the fibre to the node services, fuckwit. > Again nothing to do with ADSL or telephones to the people . Wrong, as always. >>> and he has a cable account fool . >> SHE wants to get rid of the cable, fuckwit. > I again stated that cables been made redundant , Taint gunna happen if the ACCC wont allow telstra to refuse to resell FTTN, fuckwit. > another reason to look at other options , She's already doing that, fuckwit. >> And she needs the landline for the alarm service anyway. >>>>> Thats why telstra cant wait , the old is >>>>> new again and they make more money >>>> It remains to be seen if they will be allowed to not resell >>>> fibre to the node and they have said they wont bother with >>>> it if they are forced to resell it. Thats unlikely to be bluff. >>> Crap that has nothing to do with OP , >> It has everything to do with your mindless pig ignorant sh.t tho. > Mindless crap .........your full of it Couldnt bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag... >>>>>> Scenario: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> nelly snip thats what you do with your bullshit and lost argument .........again man your a loser Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. > Scenario: > My landline is with Telstra. > My mobile is with Telstra CDMA. > My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable. > No contracts at all. > I own necessary hardware. > Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored alarm > system- it requires fixed phone line. Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant. > The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another reliable > service bypassing fixed line. > Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to > VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee). But you need the landline for the alarm system. > Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract You dont have to have a contract, you can just change to a new mobile telco using your existing handset. > and probably new hand set- Nope. > (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider). Optarse resells Telstra cdma so that would be fine. So does Southern Cross. > Internet connection can be switched to ADSL (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost > of a new modem Quite a few provide a free modem. > and monthly fee. Lower than the cable monthly fee. > Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going? Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month. > My rough calculation- if I can do it at all- about $800+ plus contracts- > arrgh. You dont have to have any contracts for anything if you dont want them. > As you can see not an easy decision- Its very doable tho. > and if I know it- so does Telstra. Sure, they certainly play on the lack of knowledge most have. You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives. Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate. I am currently on 400 MB per month and struggling. 1 Gig would make me much more comfortable. However on Bigpond cable I am given option of 400 MB or 10 Giga which is far too much for me. I use it mainly for email, newsgroups, newspaper, updates- mainly day hours. I am regularly away and sometimes month goes by without accessing my account. nelly . > You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per > month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives. > Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate. > I am currently on 400 MB per month and struggling. > 1 Gig would make me much more comfortable. You've got a hell of a lot of choices with adsl with that volume. For a lot less than you are currently paying for cable too. > However on Bigpond cable I am given option of 400 MB or 10 Giga which is far > too much for me. > I use it mainly for email, newsgroups, newspaper, updates- mainly day > hours. I am regularly away and sometimes month goes by without > accessing my account. Yeah, 400M is a bit tight for that sort of use. How do you feel about lowest price compared with minimum risk of the ISP going bust ? http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan_pricing_new.htm is pretty cheap monthly costs with a substantial startup charge, and a small risk of the ISP going bust. http://www.aapt.com.au/internet/broadband/ is a bit less risky ISP wise and decent prices. http://home.dodo.com.au/plans_broadband.html maybe, similar ISP risk. http://www.iinet.net.au/products/home/bliink/index.html has no risk of the ISP going bust and not that much more expensive than the cheapest per month. Excellent speed with 1500 the minimum speed. > . >> >> You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per >> month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives. Thanks for info again, Rod. Just looked at Exetel sign-up form. One of the conditions from Exetel is: "4. There is no 'back to base' alarm system using the nominated line." I have contacted ADT and yes- I am on "back to base" but no problem- ADT can install what they call "central filter"- at a cost of $120 for first 1/2 hr plus parts. If they do that and commission it, I should have no problem with installation of ADSL. For now... I will just look around whether I can get it done cheaper and then switch to ISP other than Bigpond. At this stage I can only hope for 512/128 on ADSL. I have seen arguments that cable is faster- well if we are looking at numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection is much faster than 512 at best times and very often much slower. Lets say I go for Exetel plan R6WE (2 gig, modem included) at $35/month it will cost me $120 ADT plus $225 Exetel line activation- say $350+. In my opinion still worth doing. Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10 giga I don't need. I hope this answers Michel's query. I do understand Telstra is here to make money. But I have to survive and thou initially it will cost me money- say it will take almost 12 months to come to square one on internet connection alone, I choose to do it. Fixed line will be downgraded to Home Budget, VOIP will go to say Exetel and I will change mobile carrier too. Why? Because Telstra was unhappy with my 500 MB monthly allowance and had to lower it to 400 MB. And because at this stage I am still allowed to. nelly > nelly <nelly@nospamgpo.com> wrote> >> Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > much more expensive than the cheapest per month. > Excellent speed with 1500 the minimum speed. > Thanks for info again, Rod. > Just looked at Exetel sign-up form. > One of the conditions from Exetel is: > "4. There is no 'back to base' alarm system using the nominated line." > I have contacted ADT and yes- I am on "back to base" but no problem- > ADT can install what they call "central filter"- at a cost of $120 > for first 1/2 hr plus parts. If they do that and commission it, I > should have no problem with installation of ADSL. For now... > I will just look around whether I can get it done cheaper You can do it yourself, tho that isnt necessarily legal. > and then switch to ISP other than Bigpond. > At this stage I can only hope for 512/128 on ADSL. > I have seen arguments that cable is faster- Yes, but with 400M downloaded thats complete academic. > well if we are looking at numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection > is much faster than 512 at best times and very often much slower. And even if it was, it doesnt matter much for 1G or so downloaded. > Lets say I go for Exetel plan R6WE (2 gig, modem included) at $35/month it > will cost me $120 ADT plus $225 Exetel line activation- say $350+. In my > opinion still worth doing. Yeah, plenty feel that about getting away from telstra cable. > Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10 giga I > don't need. Yeah, exetel is pretty good there, plenty of step so you only need to get what you will use. > I hope this answers Michel's query. > I do understand Telstra is here to make money. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > had to lower it to 400 MB. > And because at this stage I am still allowed to. >> nelly <nelly@nospamgpo.com> wrote> >>> Thanks for the info, Rod- much appreciate. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> much more expensive than the cheapest per month. >> Excellent speed with 1500 the minimum speed. > I have seen arguments that cable is faster- well if we are looking at > numbers only I doubt very much my cable connection is much faster than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why? Because 400 MB is not enough and I am not prepared to pay for 10 > giga I don't need. Why don't you try out VoIP first using one of the many services which has no monthly fee and no sign-up fee using a soft-phone (uses a headset and software on your computer). You might want to upgrade Bigpond to 10 GB plan for the duration of the test. You might find that the usage on VoIP pushes your internet over 1GB per month. If that happens, then the $20 extra to get 10GB download on Bigpond cable won't seem so expensive. Also, I had a look on broadbandchoice.com.au and it seems there are plenty of 1500 kbps at least 1GB download ADSL services available (at least where I live) for under $50 a month and some for under $40. So should you disconnect Bigpond, you should not have to settle for a 512 ADSL service. Is there Optus cable TV service available in your street? Thanks for advice, Tom N There is no Optus cable in my street- if there was, I probably would have gone for it. I do not expect higher ADSL than 512/128- distance from Exchange will pay its part. I am aware of fact that when my land line goes down- so will Internet connection. Exchange is not ADSL2 enabled as yet- maybe next year. I have asked for my land line to be tested- am told to expect answer in 20 days. I have organised for central filter to be installed- apparently alarm system has to be commissioned for ADT after installation of filter. I will try to make a move to ADSL anyway- you see Telstra really got under my skin when they lowered my 500 MB to 400 MB- I mean 20%. No doubt it WILL cost me money, but at this stage I am prepared to vote with my feet if I can. nelly > Is there Optus cable TV service available in your street? > Thanks for advice, Tom N > There is no Optus cable in my street- if there was, I probably would [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > No doubt it WILL cost me money, but at this stage I am prepared to > vote with my feet if I can. Bigpond was all us cable users to piss off anyway. I have Bigpond cable unlimited* and I am quite happy with it. But in their infinite wisdom they are going to tell all the Bigpond cable customers to piss off and a large proportion will probably go to another ISP. >> Scenario: >> My landline is with Telstra. >> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA. >> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable. >> No contracts at all. >> I own necessary hardware. >> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored alarm >> system- it requires fixed phone line. >Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant. >> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another reliable >> service bypassing fixed line. >> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to >> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee). >But you need the landline for the alarm system. >> Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract >You dont have to have a contract, you can just change >to a new mobile telco using your existing handset. >> and probably new hand set- >Nope. >> (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider). >Optarse resells Telstra cdma so that would be fine. >So does Southern Cross. >> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost >> of a new modem >Quite a few provide a free modem. >> and monthly fee. >Lower than the cable monthly fee. >> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going? >Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month. What is the point of getting ADSL then? If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage. Craig. SignatureCraig Dewick (craig@poison.lios.apana.org.au). http://lios.apana.org.au/~craig APANA Sydney Deputy Regional Co-ordinator. Operator of Jedi (APANA Sydney POP) Always striving for a secure long-term future in an insecure short-term world Have you exported a crypto system today? Do your bit to undermine the NSA. > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> writes >>> Scenario: >>> My landline is with Telstra. >>> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA. >>> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable. >>> No contracts at all. >>> I own necessary hardware. >>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is >>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. >> Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant. >>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise >>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line. >>> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to >>> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee). >> But you need the landline for the alarm system. >>> Mobile service can be changed at a cost of contract >> You dont have to have a contract, you can just change >> to a new mobile telco using your existing handset. >>> and probably new hand set- >> Nope. >>> (am not too sure of another Australia wide CDMA service provider). >> Optarse resells Telstra cdma so that would be fine. >> So does Southern Cross. >>> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL >>> (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost of a new modem >> Quite a few provide a free modem. >>> and monthly fee. >> Lower than the cable monthly fee. >>> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going? >> Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month. > What is the point of getting ADSL then? She needs the landline for the monitored alarm system. > If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the > cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage. Wrong again with the higher download limits or no download limit. >> What is the point of getting ADSL then? >She needs the landline for the monitored alarm system. I already know that Chemical Man. >> If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the >> cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage. >Wrong again with the higher download limits or no download limit. Most of the low-end ADSL plans which make it competetive with line rental included offering puny limits and most consumers can't fathom why they should pay more than a phone line to get higher limits. Sure there are the medium priced plans which offer limits ranging anywhere from 2G upwards, and plans with no limit (but even higher prices), but again these are priced so expensively that it's putting DSL-based internet access back up into the 'unaffordable for most people' category. Regards, Craig. SignatureCraig Dewick (craig@poison.lios.apana.org.au). http://lios.apana.org.au/~craig APANA Sydney Deputy Regional Co-ordinator. Operator of Jedi (APANA Sydney POP) Always striving for a secure long-term future in an insecure short-term world Have you exported a crypto system today? Do your bit to undermine the NSA. > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> writes >>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> writes >>>>> Scenario: >>>>> My landline is with Telstra. >>>>> My mobile is with Telstra CDMA. >>>>> My internet connection is with Telstra Bigpond broadband cable. >>>>> No contracts at all. >>>>> I own necessary hardware. >>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is >>>>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. >>>> Which makes the adsl without landline question redundant. >>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise >>>>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line. >>>>> Voice calls on fixed line are not a problem as these can be moved to >>>>> VOIP (at a cost of hardware and cheaper than Telstra monthly fee). >>>> But you need the landline for the alarm system. >>>>> Internet connection can be switched to ADSL >>>>> (but not ADSL2 as yet) at a cost of a new modem >>>> Quite a few provide a free modem. >>>>> and monthly fee. >>>> Lower than the cable monthly fee. >>>>> Furthermore- do I have to pay for landline to keep ADSL going? >>>> Yes. But that can be HomeLine Budget at $18.50 per month. >>> What is the point of getting ADSL then? >> She needs the landline for the monitored alarm system. > I already know that Chemical Man. But you didnt allow for that with your crap about the cost of broadband. >>> If someone is going to have to pay $20 *plus* the >>> cost of an ADSL plan, there is no real advantage. >> Wrong again with the higher download limits or no download limit. > Most of the low-end ADSL plans which make it > competetive with line rental included offering puny limits Pig ignorant lie. > and most consumers can't fathom why they should > pay more than a phone line to get higher limits. Most consumers are completely irrelevant. She was quite specific that her current 400M limit is too limiting. There are quite a few adsl plans around that cost less than telstra cable, even when you allow for the line rent and you cant count the line rent in her case because she needs the line for the monitored alarm system anyway. > Sure there are the medium priced plans which > offer limits ranging anywhere from 2G upwards, And plans which are cheaper than she is currently paying for telstra cable that do too. > and plans with no limit (but even higher prices), More pig ignorance. > but again these are priced so expensively that > it's putting DSL-based internet access back up > into the 'unaffordable for most people' category. Complete pig ignorant lie. They are CHEAPER than she is currently paying for telstra cable with a 400M limit. THATS what matters. Exetel has 2G for only $25, HALF what she currently pays for telstra cable with 400M, $50. > Exetel has 2G for only $25, HALF what she > currently pays for telstra cable with 400M, $50. Bigpond cable 400MB (uncapped download/128 upload) is $39.95 if you have full service fixed phone with Telstra (which she apparently has: "My landline is with Telstra"). Bigpond cable 10GB (unlimited*) is $59.95 under the same circumstances. The $25 Exetel 2GB service is 256/64 (doesn't include a modem) is not comparable to uncapped cable. 512/128 Exetel 2GB service is $35 a month (includes a modem) 1500/256 Exetel 16GB service is $60 a month (doesn't include a modem) If she wants to bundle phone with ADSL, then iiNet and Ozemail can provide ADSL2 at 12Mbps (or 1500 Mbps unbundled) for $39.95 a month with 2GB download. Optus has a cable 2GB download (another 4GB off peak) plan at $39.95, and a cable 300MB peak/600MB off-peak download plan at $29.95, both if bundled with phone. > Rod Speed wrote: >> Exetel has 2G for only $25, HALF what she >> currently pays for telstra cable with 400M, $50. > Bigpond cable 400MB (uncapped download/128 upload) > is $39.95 if you have full service fixed phone with Telstra > (which she apparently has: "My landline is with Telstra"). Doesnt mean that it makes any sense to keep the FULL SERVICE plan, makes a lot more sense to use HomeLine Budget instead and save over $10/month when she's only keeping it for the monitored alarm. > Bigpond cable 10GB (unlimited*) is > $59.95 under the same circumstances. And she has said that she doesnt want to pay more for the higher limit when the current 400M is just a bit tight. > The $25 Exetel 2GB service is 256/64 (doesn't include > a modem) is not comparable to uncapped cable. Irrelevant to HER broadband use. What matters is what delivers adequate performance for HER use. Not what cable can do. Clearly if she is keeping to 400M with the current cable service, she isnt downloading much and what uncapped cable can do is completely irrelevant. > 512/128 Exetel 2GB service is $35 a month (includes a modem) Still a lot cheaper than what she is currently paying if she uses HomeLine Budget for the landline and the total cost of landline and broadband per month is used. With a bonus of the download limit being likely to not need to be monitored. Even if she does go over that with voip, the exetel excess charge is very low when you consider that it should be included in the cost of the voip call since otherwise she wouldnt use anything like 2G. With the current useage of 400M, I wouldnt personally bother to pay the higher monthly charge of $10 per month for the higher speed, I doubt she'd even notice it in a proper double blind trial with that sort of net use. > 1500/256 Exetel 16GB service is $60 a month (doesn't include a modem) Ditto in spades, no point in pay that much with her use. > If she wants to bundle phone with ADSL, then iiNet and Ozemail > can provide ADSL2 at 12Mbps (or 1500 Mbps unbundled) for > $39.95 a month with 2GB download. Doesnt make any real sense to pay what is effectively $25/month more when you include the lower landline rent with HomeLine Budget when I doubt she'd even notice the higher speed. I do use 1500 myself, but I download a hell of a lot more than she does, so it pays me to pay the extra $12/month for the landline to get double the download limit. The speed isnt even noticeable at all except with downloads. And the bulk of my volume is with emule where you dont see it at all even with 1500. > Optus has a cable 2GB download > (another 4GB off peak) plan at $39.95, Still quite a bit more than the exetel $25 for nothing thats any real use to her at all. > and a cable 300MB peak/600MB off-peak download plan at $29.95, Exetel is still better value at 2G and $25 and $11.50 off the line rent. > both if bundled with phone. Which isnt very desirable in her situation because it involves $11.50 more per month for the line rent. > > Rod Speed wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > The $25 Exetel 2GB service is 256/64 (doesn't include > > a modem) is not comparable to uncapped cable. Typical crapola , she may like pure speed with her 400 meg rather than snails pace like your typing skills . > Irrelevant to HER broadband use. What matters is what delivers > adequate performance for HER use. Not what cable can do. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Which isnt very desirable in her situation because > it involves $11.50 more per month for the line rent. Some gutless pig ignorant fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. Rod Speed- this is what happened so far: I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec. I went to one of relatively major providers and asked for 512/128 connection. Connection was ready for use on 16th of Dec, technically no contract, however if I cancel within 6 months- $65 penalty. I needed to call for support when connecting first time on Friday about 5 PM. It took 2 minutes in que and 2 minutes to fix the problem I admit I am not used to this kind of treatment but I surely will and fast too. Later on it took me about 2 hours tweaking with system- i.e. upgrading firmware in modem, setting Ethernet and wireless connection, setting VOIP dial plans and testing it all. Absolutely enjoyable. ADSL speed as tested- 429/83 with line quality up stream 561/128 kbps, atn 42 db; down stream 6.89/1.54 Mbps, atn 31.5 db. For $39.95 that I used to pay to Telstra for 400MB on cable I now get 8 GB on 512/128. So far I have not noticed any difference in speed- as you pointed it has to do with the way I use the net. My Bigpond connection has been cancelled. I have changed my Telstra landline to Budget- from $26.95/month to $18.50/month. I switched to VOIP- no contract- my local calls are now 9.9c untimed 24/7 Australia wide- no flag fall. Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP and PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec). Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall. I didn't have to, but I left 13x, 1300x and 180x calls with Telstra. For now I intend to keep my CDMA mobile with Telstra- I don't use it that much and am on $10/month plan. Now- how much I had to outlay: Installation of central filter, including parts was $180- couldn't go any lower because ADT technical dept and codes were involved- had to go for someone licensed who knew how to go around that. ADSL2+ modem/VOIP/router/802.11g was $230; as I sold my existing router- nett cost $130. ADSL connection was $129- by now it is fairly obvious who is my ISP. Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation however for now I am still using some of Telstra services. My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very comfortable Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper. Rod Speed- you wrote it was doable, I have done it, enjoyed change over and so far have no regrets. Once again- thank you. nelly >> Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per > month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives. > Rod Speed- this is what happened so far: > I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP > and PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec). The only way I can notice with a mate on engin is that he currently doesnt present a caller id. Otherwise perfect. > Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall. > I didn't have to, but I left 13x, 1300x and 180x calls with Telstra. > For now I intend to keep my CDMA mobile with Telstra- I don't use it that much > and am on $10/month plan. Southern Cross Telecoms can do that with no monthly charge, if you are happy with email bills and direct debit payments, just pay for the calls you make. Decent rates too. They resell Telstra CDMA. No cost to change over with CDMA. http://www.scmobile.com.au/ > Now- how much I had to outlay: > Installation of central filter, including parts was $180- couldn't go > any lower because ADT technical dept and codes were involved- had to go for > someone licensed who knew how to go around that. > ADSL2+ modem/VOIP/router/802.11g was $230; Yeah, that's the way I would have gone in your situation myself. > as I sold my existing router- nett cost $130. > ADSL connection was $129- by now it is fairly obvious who is my ISP. > Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation > however for now I am still using some of Telstra services. > My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very > comfortable Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper. > Rod Speed- you wrote it was doable, I have done it, enjoyed change over and so > far have no regrets. > Once again- thank you. Thanks for the feedback on how it worked out. >>> Scenario: >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> You'd have to say how you use the internet, particularly volume per >> month to say too much too useful about the better alternatives. > I switched to VOIP- no contract- my local calls are now 9.9c untimed 24/7 > Australia wide- no flag fall. > Yes, I can notice the difference in quality of calls made using VOIP and > PSTN but it is OK (I am on G.729 codec). > Calls to mobiles 27c/minute- no flag fall. If you would rather pay 22c/min to mobiles, with no flag-fall and charged by the second, and no monthly minimum, have a look at Pennytel - http://www.pennytel.com . I use them and they're reliable and good quality so far. Will > Rod Speed- this is what happened so far: > I applied for ADSL connection on 9th of Dec. > I went to one of relatively major providers and asked for 512/128 > connection. > Connection was ready for use on 16th of Dec, technically no contract, > however if I cancel within 6 months- $65 penalty. Which makes it a 6-mth contract, goon > Total outlay I had to make comes to $439- about half of my estimation > however for now I am still using some of Telstra services. > My monthly charge comes down from $66.90 to $58.45, I get very comfortable > Internet allowance and hope my calls will be cheaper. Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics Lets hope you made lots of calls so your RROI is quicker > Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over > FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics That's not the point, is it. The point is to never have to have anything to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure! >>Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over >>FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics > > That's not the point, is it. The point is to never have to have anything > to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure! Here, here. Not dealing with Tele$cum or Tel$tra is the objective and this example does show that it can be done at an economical and competitive price! Even if it is paying others to deal with the pricks for you it still works out feasible. SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 > >>Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over > >>FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this example does show that it can be done at an economical and > competitive price! 52 months return-on-investment is economical ??? >>>>Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > 52 months return-on-investment is economical ??? Why? He was due to upgrade his equipment anyway. You get ripped off with Tel$tra by being locked in for an excessive time frame anyway, at least other service providers don't hide excessive excess data fees like Tel$tra does. 400MB on broadband, what f.cking joke! Should be outlawed because of the excessive excess data costs they charge on that plan. This type plan is designed to suck the new user into broadband with only very fine print about the excess data charges that the new user probably has little or no concept of. Typical Tel$tra greed, rip off the least suspecting and those who can least afford it. SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 > 400MB on broadband, what f.cking joke! Should be outlawed because of > the excessive excess data costs they charge on that plan. This type Why do people (incorrectly) assume that people only want broadband for data usage? I couldnt care less about my data allowance, I wanted BB because dialup is so SLOOOOOOOOOWW I'd say at least 50% of customers on BB want it for the speed, NOT the data allowance > plan is designed to suck the new user into broadband with only very fine > print about the excess data charges that the new user probably has > little or no concept of. Then get the 10gb unlimited* plan where there is no excess charges > Typical Tel$tra greed, rip off the least suspecting and those who can > least afford it. Stupid consumers shouldnt be consuming a service if they are too stupid to know what they are doing > Simon VK3XEM <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote >> 400MB on broadband, what f.cking joke! Should be outlawed >> because of the excessive excess data costs they charge on that plan. > Why do people (incorrectly) assume that people only want broadband > for data usage? > I couldnt care less about my data allowance, I wanted > BB because dialup is so SLOOOOOOOOOWW > I'd say at least 50% of customers on BB want > it for the speed, NOT the data allowance And plenty want it for the convenience of 24/7 permanent access and to avoid having a second line so nothing special happens with voice calls while you are online etc. >> This type plan is designed to suck the new user into broadband >> with only very fine print about the excess data charges that the >> new user probably has little or no concept of. > Then get the 10gb unlimited* plan where there is no excess charges >> Typical Tel$tra greed, rip off the least >> suspecting and those who can least afford it. Mindless conspiracy theory. > Stupid consumers shouldnt be consuming a service > if they are too stupid to know what they are doing And why should those that dont need a capped plan have to pay for one if they dont need one ? Michael- you can fiddle with figures any way you want to, however I can't understand where you get 52 months from. Since I couldn't survive on 400 MB for $39.95, to stay with Telstra cable I would have to spend $59.95. To me it looks like $20/month so $439:$20=22 months, not 52. This figure (22 months) becomes obviously smaller when you take cost of VOIP hardware into account. nelly > 52 months return-on-investment is economical ??? > Michael- you can fiddle with figures any way you want to, however I can't > understand where you get 52 months from. They are yours figures, laddie, i simply divided a / b a=what you spent on the hardware b= the amount of $ YOU claimed you would save every month And I made a note that that claim didnt include your savings on calls. Example: If you are paying $40 for 400mb of BB with Telstra, and you want 1gb, and that costs $50 with Company X, but $200 with Telstra, you aren't saving $150 per month while you are still on the $40 Telstra plan. > Since I couldn't survive on 400 MB for $39.95, to stay with Telstra cable I > would have to spend $59.95. You were already on Telstra with the 400mb plan, so your calculation is ludicrous > nelly <nelly@nospamgpo.com> wrote >> Michael- you can fiddle with figures any way you want to, >> however I can't understand where you get 52 months from. > They are yours figures, laddie, i simply divided a / b > a=what you spent on the hardware > b= the amount of $ YOU claimed you would save every month Pity you mangled b completely when you used the cost per month for the 400MB service which was no longer adequate. > And I made a note that that claim didnt include your savings on calls. Irrelevant to your main mangling. > Example: If you are paying $40 for 400mb of BB with > Telstra, and you want 1gb, and that costs $50 with > Company X, but $200 with Telstra, you aren't saving > $150 per month while you are still on the $40 Telstra plan. Pathetic, really. >> Since I couldn't survive on 400 MB for $39.95, to >> stay with Telstra cable I would have to spend $59.95. > You were already on Telstra with the 400mb plan, No she wasnt. She was on a 500MB plan, telstra shafted her by dropping the limit to 400MB which was less than she uses, so she would have had to use the more expensive plan if she had stayed with telstra. > so your calculation is ludicrous Nope, yours is, as always. > > Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus over > > FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics > > That's not the point, is it. The point is to never have to have anything Yes, that was the point. It all comes down to money. Only an IDIOT wouldnt be with a specific carrier for an idealogical point. > to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure! You idiot. >> > Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus > over [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes, that was the point. It all comes down to money. Only an IDIOT wouldnt > be with a specific carrier for an idealogical point. It's got nothing to do with ideology. Dealing with telstra is a pain in the arse. Their service is crap, their prices are extortionate, and the management are fuckwits. However, i've got no problem with the call centre staff - those poor bastards are just as much victims of the stupidity of the management as the customers. >> to do with Te$scum again - and worth every cent, i'm sure! > > You idiot. Just like it would be just about worth unsubscribing from this newsgroup to never have to read your drivel again. > > You idiot. > > Just like it would be just about worth unsubscribing from this newsgroup > to never have to read your drivel again. Sounds like a challenge, off you go. > Which makes it a 6-mth contract, goon Michael- I am not a lawyer and I probably used wrong terminology too. As long as one uses service one is under contract- "we shall do this- you shan't do that". Not just 6 months. When I buy a train ticket- I enter a contract with a carrier, when one gets married, one enters a contract (just don't say that to other party). > Ok, youve outlaid $439 to save $8.45 per month, needing 52 months, thus > over > FOUR YEARS to save a cent just on the basics > > Lets hope you made lots of calls so your RROI is quicker Again Michael- as I pointed before, my objective was survival, not cents saving or Telstra bashing. Any accountant will tell you "GIVE ME A SET OF FIGURES AND I WILL DO TO IT WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO". When Telstra (OK- BigPond) lowered my allowance from 500 MB to 400-MB I could not survive. Lowering 500 MB to 400 MB looks like 20% increase of cost to me. Next option was 10Giga for $59.95- I would have to spent 35% percent more to survive. There was nothing in between (I have spoken to Telstra on 3 occasions and did not ask for turning recording off). I could have bite the bullet, spend 35% more and buy Sipura or Engine gizmo for VOIP. And put up with routers from 3 different manufacturers hating heartbeat. And have cables hanging all over. It was clear to me which ever direction I turned to- I had to spend money. I was with Bigpond for 4 years- now I had to spend more money because (the way I see it) Telstra decided to give themselves 20% pay rise. I started this thread, people gave their opinion and advice and I made a move. I did not go for a rock bottom price- I just need reliable service hoping I don't have to change provider in near future. In my opinion I have improved my situation my way and to the point I am happy. Other people are obviously entitled to have their opinions and solutions for which they pay and it makes them happy. Off course there is a possibility (however remote) that in a few months time Telstra will lower its prices and my provider will increase it. BTW- my mobile billing is on its way to Southern Cross (thanks for the tip Rod Speed) and cable connection is doing nothing. I still have Telstra Budget land line- for now. I wish Telstra all the best. nelly You havent actually specified why you want a Telstra free home or what the advantages would be. > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > nelly > You havent actually specified why you want a Telstra free home or what the > advantages would be. Eating away at their monopoly, 1 customer at a time... > > You havent actually specified why you want a Telstra free home or what the > > advantages would be. > > Eating away at their monopoly, 1 customer at a time... How is that an advantage to a customer? > Brendon <no@way.man> wrote >>> You havent actually specified why you want a >>> Telstra free home or what the advantages would be. >> Eating away at their monopoly, 1 customer at a time... > How is that an advantage to a customer? A customer may hate telstra, stupid. > > Brendon <no@way.man> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > A customer may hate telstra, stupid. Like we all hate you and your bullshit , hmmmm sounds feasible Some gutless pig ignorant fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. > Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored alarm > system- it requires fixed phone line. > The problem- unless someone in this group can advise of another reliable > service bypassing fixed line. Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting the phone line a common way around a traditional monitered alarms, GSM adapters are getting popular. As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is available to you... >> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored >> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I wouldnt be > surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is available to you... Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than standard landline. > >> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored > >> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Optus can supply a landline phone service over their cable TV network, > although phone over cable probably less reliable than standard landline. Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd >>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored >>>> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> network, although phone over cable probably less reliable than >> standard landline. > Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel > need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd Nope, their cable system is different, stupid. > >>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT monitored > >>>> alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Nope, their cable system is different, stupid. Not really , its all bandwidth and they could use a portion ot the broadband bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the real answer you do not even know , as your response is again pathetic > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote >>> Tom N <me@privacy.net> wrote >>>>> nelly wrote >>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is >>>>>> ADT monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. >>>>>> The problem- unless someone in this group can advise >>>>>> of another reliable service bypassing fixed line. >>>>> Look into a GSM/mobile adapter for it. With cutting >>>>> the phone line a common way around a traditional >>>>> monitered alarms, GSM adapters are getting popular. >>>>> As for your internet, you could look into Optus cable or one of >>>>> the several wireless services out there. Because you have Telstra >>>>> cable, I'm assuming that your located in a Capital City? If so, I >>>>> wouldnt be surprised if something like Unwired or Iburst is >>>>> available to you... >>>> Optus can supply a landline phone service over >>>> their cable TV network, although phone over cable >>>> probably less reliable than standard landline. >>> Which you kinda have to question why Foxtel >>> need a phone adaptor for digital Pay tv ? Wierd >> Nope, their cable system is different, stupid. > Not really, Yes, really. > its all bandwidth Nope, its about quite a bit more than that with providing a phone service over the cable. > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , Nothing like the phone. Telstra chose not to have that capability with their cable service. Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever. > > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote > >>> Tom N <me@privacy.net> wrote [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Nope, its about quite a bit more than that > with providing a phone service over the cable. Again , no idea on what Im saying , just raving on again Ratshit > > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , > > Nothing like the phone. Telstra chose not to > have that capability with their cable service. Again you have no idea about bandwidth and spectrum > Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have > never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever. Maybe you should read and understand the concepts dickhead Some gutless pig ignorant fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. > > > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > > > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Again you have no idea about bandwidth and spectrum Nothing to do with bandwidth and spectrum, fuckwit. Why would Telstra continue to put new copper pairs into households wanting second lines, if they could just use the existing HFC service? Idiot > > > > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > > > > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > second lines, if they could just use the existing HFC service? > Idiot The argument was technology based not price . >>>>> and they could use a portion ot the broadband >>>>> bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The argument was technology based not price . So was his, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit. > >>>>> and they could use a portion ot the broadband > >>>>> bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > So was his, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit. When brains were handed out , YOU wagged school HTH Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. Another useless piece of crap from RS or Ratshit as you are known around the traps Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. > > > > > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > > > > > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The argument was technology based not price . Exactly. So if they had the technology to do it, they would. > > > > > > and they could use a portion ot the broadband > > > > > > bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Exactly. So if they had the technology to do it, they would. Not if they want phone line rentals , Now your changing your tune . >>>>>>> and they could use a portion ot the broadband >>>>>>> bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Exactly. So if they had the technology to do it, they would. > Not if they want phone line rentals , Now your changing your tune . Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever, and couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag either. > >>>>>>> and they could use a portion ot the broadband > >>>>>>> bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > never ever had a f.cking clue about anything at all, ever, > and couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag either. Another useless piece of crap from RS or Ratshit as you are known around the traps Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind FruitLoop <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always. >>>>>> Major obstacle to move to Telstra free environment is ADT >>>>>> monitored alarm system- it requires fixed phone line. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Not really , its all bandwidth Nope. There's also a packet switched network that needs to go behind the cable and a d/a converter to sit at the customers end. A lot more complicated than just allocating a 64k channel to voice. > and they could use a portion ot the > broadband bandwidth for data transfer , much the same as phone , the > real answer you do not even know , as your response is again pathetic You've clearly got no idea. SignatureKwyj > >>> |
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