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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / December 2005Sending SMS to Triple-0
Does anyone know if sending text messages to 000 actually get through? I can imagine it being useful where you cannot speak (robbery in progress) or signal quality is too low for a call. I've wondered this too. But haven't heard anything about it. I'm sure in the future it will happen though. > Does anyone know if sending text messages to 000 actually get through? I > can imagine it being useful where you cannot speak (robbery in progress) > or signal quality is too low for a call. On 15/12/05 01:00, Rhye uttered the following... >I've wondered this too. But haven't heard anything about it. >I'm sure in the future it will happen though. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Interesting... I wondered about this too. Apparently the aswer is "NO" for the time being. Although deaf and/or mute people can call Emergency Relay Service (ERS) on 106 from a TTY or computer with a modem. I think this is still a fairly new area and my brief search revealed this service in Hong Kong which uses 999 for voice emergency calls (like our 000), and 992 for SMS emergency calls. Also read about "Silect Emergency Call" planned for Shanghai by send SMS to 110.  Signature*-------------------------------------------------------------------* =Z= Remove NOSPAM to reply. LIFE: A sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* 112 is the gsm emergency no. so it should take sms : On 15/12/05 01:00, Rhye uttered the following... : [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] : Also read about "Silect Emergency Call" planned for Shanghai by send SMS : to 110. WA police have sms assist; http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/SMSAssist.asp?SMSAssist > 112 is the gsm emergency no. so it should take sms > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > SMS > : to 110. > WA police have sms assist; > > http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Services/SMSAssist.asp?SMSAssist Quote: If you provide your name and address for instance, police will automatically know who you are when you use SMSAssist©. This will not only save valuable time and text space, it may also help the police to assist you should your message be suddenly cut off. "message be suddenly cut off"?? On 15/12/05 15:32, Tom Smyth uttered the following... > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The intruder suddenly breaks your fingers of your texting hand? Signature*-------------------------------------------------------------------* =Z= Remove NOSPAM to reply. LIFE: A sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* > On 15/12/05 15:32, Tom Smyth uttered the following... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > The intruder suddenly breaks your fingers of your texting hand? But has the kindness to hit "send" for you :) On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following... >112 is the gsm emergency no. so it should take sms > > Dialling 112 from a GSM mobile simply forwards the call to emergency number for the country where the call is initiated. In Australia that's 000 and 000 doesn't support SMS. Signature*-------------------------------------------------------------------* =Z= Remove NOSPAM to reply. LIFE: A sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate. *-------------------------------------------------------------------* > On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > number for the country where the call is initiated. In Australia that's > 000 and 000 doesn't support SMS. 112 also allows you to use ANY service provider to make the call even if there is no service provided to that phone. >>On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 112 also allows you to use ANY service provider to make the call even if > there is no service provided to that phone. Yep, it works even if your phone doesn't have a SIM in it ! Great idea. >> On 15/12/05 09:04, Ed- uttered the following... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> number for the country where the call is initiated. In Australia that's >> 000 and 000 doesn't support SMS. >112 also allows you to use ANY service provider to make the call even if >there is no service provided to that phone. But there has to be coverage in the first place. Not necessarily from the carrier for which the phone's SIM might be registered too, if it has a SIM fitted. Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number providing there is coverage from at least one carrier of sufficient signal strength. Craig. SignatureCraig Dewick (craig@poison.lios.apana.org.au). http://lios.apana.org.au/~craig APANA Sydney Deputy Regional Co-ordinator. Operator of Jedi (APANA Sydney POP) Always striving for a secure long-term future in an insecure short-term world Have you exported a crypto system today? Do your bit to undermine the NSA. > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it. Peter > > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Peter stolen/blocked handset, but most obviously when the user has a SIM for another network and is in the coverage area of some other network. It would be difficult for this network to be able to determine if the phone does in fact have a SIM card inserted. One way would be for it to send MM message AUTHENTICATION REQUEST(RAND), then the MS would respond with AUTHENTICATION RESPONSE(SRES), which would be discarded by the network. This would suggest to the network that the MS does in fact have a SIM present. But this would not be easy to implement. And this doesn't stop someone with advanced or modified equipment placing false calls. Also, honouring emergency calls is optional in the GSM specs (the Emergency bit in BCCH indicates this), but all Australian networks do. >> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile phone > without a SIM card is a hoax call. More fool you. > I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it. It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid. > >> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier > your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid. It also allows you to use the mobile to make an emergency call if you dont have a valid subscription You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies" >>>>Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies" I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to disconnect landline services from properties just in case there isn't any mobile coverage at that specific location. : I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried : about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to : disconnect landline services from properties just in case there isn't : any mobile coverage at that specific location. You can request just that, incoming calls, + outgoing emergency for no line rental >> I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're >> worried about emergencies, then phone companies should >> never be allowed to disconnect landline services from properties >> just in case there isn't any mobile coverage at that specific location. > You can request just that, incoming calls, > + outgoing emergency for no line rental Anyone cant request that, only some qualify for that service. > >> I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're > >> worried about emergencies, then phone companies should [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anyone cant request that, only some qualify for that service. Yes. Incontact customers are scum of the earth > : I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried > : about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You can request just that, incoming calls, + outgoing emergency > for no line rental Subject to strict conditions >>: I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried >>: about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Subject to strict conditions Sure the bulk of these customers might be bad debtors, but at least Tel$tra can get money off people that do ring them (like the debt collectors!). SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 > Michael wrote >>> Pete <pjetson@yahoo.com> wrote >>>>> Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number >>>> I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile >>>> phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. >>> More fool you. >>>> I'm afraid I just can't see what benefit there is from allowing it. >>> It allows you to make an emergency call when the carrier >>> your sim is with doesnt have coverage in that area, stupid. >> It also allows you to use the mobile to make an emergency call if you dont >> have a valid subscription >> You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies" > I still don't see why they need to implement that. They dont need to, they basically got leaned on to do that. > If they're worried about emergencies, then phone companies should never be > allowed to disconnect landline services from properties just in case there > isn't any mobile coverage at that specific location. Separate issue entirely. Quite a bit of the detail with mobile networks is quite different to landlines. > > You can literally carry a SIMless mobile "for emergencies" > > I still don't see why they need to implement that. If they're worried > about emergencies, then phone companies should never be allowed to > disconnect landline services from properties just in case there isn't > any mobile coverage at that specific location. Telstra do not disconnect the service for as long as there is capacity to provide a path back to the exchange. Its called soft dial tone. > > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > > I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile > phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see > what benefit there is from allowing it. I'd be willing to bet you are wrong >>I'd be willing to bet that every call made to 000 or 112 from a mobile >>phone without a SIM card is a hoax call. I'm afraid I just can't see >>what benefit there is from allowing it. > I'd be willing to bet you are wrong You have the numbers? Peter > > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Peter I also don't see what the advantage in that is, especially given that any network will accept a 112 call even if there's a different network's sim in the phone. >> > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > network will accept a 112 call even if there's a different network's sim > in the phone. Because there's no difference at the technical level. > > Even without a SIM handsets can make calls to the 112 number > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Peter Many years ago I was on Optarse and required Emergency assistance and called 112 repeatedly, the call would connect and disconnect. In the end I had to remove the SIM card and put the phone back together in a difficult situation requiring my physical intervention, the call went straight through without a problem! So it is required sometimes, the biggest problem is they are then unable to call you back. At the time Optarse admitted blocking 112 calls to me and refused to rectify the problem, I promptly told them to get f.cked and they lost in excess of $500 in account fees that were never paid and I was on another carrier the next day. SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 > Many years ago I was on Optarse and required Emergency assistance and > called 112 repeatedly, the call would connect and disconnect. In the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to call you back. At the time Optarse admitted blocking 112 calls to me > and refused to rectify the problem, I promptly told them to get f.cked They didnt admit it, you are talking sh.t as usual If they EVER DELIBERATELY blocked access to 112 the ACA would have them in the Supreme Court tomorrow >>Many years ago I was on Optarse and required Emergency assistance and >>called 112 repeatedly, the call would connect and disconnect. In the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If they EVER DELIBERATELY blocked access to 112 the ACA would have them in > the Supreme Court tomorrow Well they did, it is history now and they have probably since changed it. But who give a sh.t anyway, I don't deal with the pricks anymore! SignatureThe views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 SMS is a best effort technology. It may not arrive > Does anyone know if sending text messages to 000 actually get through? I > can imagine it being useful where you cannot speak (robbery in progress) > or signal quality is too low for a call. > SMS is a best effort technology. It may not arrive Whats your point? If there was the choice between no communication or SMS with best effort I know what I would do. > > SMS is a best effort technology. It may not arrive > > Whats your point? If there was the choice between no communication or > SMS with best effort I know what I would do. As others have said, SMS sent to 000 wont work. It is simply discarded - like when you send to an invalid number. You will not be informed of this. > SMS is a best effort technology. It may not arrive Same as a phone call. There's no guarantee that a voice call will be succesful 100% of the time. SignatureKwyj >>SMS is a best effort technology. It may not arrive > > Same as a phone call. There's no guarantee that a voice call will be > succesful 100% of the time. You know straight away if a voice call is unsuccessful, though. |
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