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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / December 2005Bigpond 1xEV-DO
Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile (PCMCIA) plans. The desktop plans are quite reasonably priced, but the mobile plans cost twice as much. This leads me to the question: Does the service use a username/password authentication, or does it use the ESN of the unit? > Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile > (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This leads me to the question: Does the service use a > username/password authentication, or does it use the ESN of the unit? What difference would it make? They must use some method of Authenticating the user, albiet it ESN, login client or other method, it should really make no difference to you. >> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > They must use some method of Authenticating the user, albiet it ESN, login > client or other method, it should really make no difference to you. Sorry, but *whoosh*.... >>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and >>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sorry, but *whoosh*.... What don't you understand about that? >>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and >>>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What don't you understand about that? You clearly missed the point of the question. You cannot change the ESN of the unit therefore if it authenticates against it you couldn't simply buy a PCMCIA card and use the cheaper desktop prices. >>>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and >>>>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ESN of the unit therefore if it authenticates against it you couldn't > simply buy a PCMCIA card and use the cheaper desktop prices. Then that point should have been stated and the reason for wanting to know. My question / supposition based on the OP was a valid one. >>>>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and >>>>>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Then that point should have been stated and the reason for wanting to > know. Anyone with even half a brain could have figured it out. > My question / supposition based on the OP was a valid one. Nope.  SignatureKwyj >>>>>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and >>>>>>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Nope. I can always trust the peanut gallery to have it's say. > >>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and > >>>> mobile (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of the unit therefore if it authenticates against it you couldn't simply > buy a PCMCIA card and use the cheaper desktop prices. Of course you can change the ESN of the unit. Buy a new unit and do an ESN change. How hard is that? > Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile > (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This leads me to the question: Does the service use a > username/password authentication, or does it use the ESN of the unit? They use a username/password arrangement. I have one of each type of modem and can log in through either modem using either username. Still awaiting a response from Bigpond as to why the PCMCIA modem plan is more expensive than the powered modem version... seems to me it shouldn't matter as you buy the modem/s outright to start with and the service they use is the same? SignatureStevo (pull the PIN to reply by e-mail) >>Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >>(PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shouldn't matter as you buy the modem/s outright to start with and the > service they use is the same? The PCMCIA modems can use BOTH the EV-DO data only channels as well as the 1xRTT channels on virtually every Telstra CDMA base station around Australia. The 1xRTT service shares the same channel as CDMA voice services and therefore to minimise congestion and over-utilisation of the voice network the devices that use those channels are charged at a premium that is equivalent to the Telstra mobile broadband pricing. The PCMCIA device uses the same network as the Telstra Mobile broadband service and subsequently charges an equivalent price. Provision of EV-DO channels costs Telstra significantly less on a data throughput basis than data access over the voice/1xRTT channels so they offer plans that cost less for devices that are limited to the EV-DO channels. >> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > They use a username/password arrangement. I have one of each type of modem > and can log in through either modem using either username. Awesome. If I sign up on a desktop plan will they ask for an ESN and check it's not a PCMCIA card? > Still awaiting a response from Bigpond as to why the PCMCIA modem plan is > more expensive than the powered modem version... seems to me it shouldn't > matter as you buy the modem/s outright to start with and the service they > use is the same? The iburst response (same scenario) is that for the mobile plans you could use any base station as you roam around, thus more upkeep costs etc etc (???) >> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > matter as you buy the modem/s outright to start with and the service they > use is the same? Hang on a sec.... Using the PCMCIA card with the desktop log-in, does it roam to CDMA?? > "Stevo" <stevo52@PINoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message >> They use a username/password arrangement. I have one of each type of >> modem and can log in through either modem using either username. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Using the PCMCIA card with the desktop log-in, does it roam to CDMA?? Yep... SignatureStevo (pull the PIN to reply by e-mail) >> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >They use a username/password arrangement. I have one of each type of >modem and can log in through either modem using either username. Really? I use the Maxon USB device, there is no username or password there.. >Still awaiting a response from Bigpond as to why the PCMCIA modem plan >is more expensive than the powered modem version... seems to me it >shouldn't matter as you buy the modem/s outright to start with and the >service they use is the same? That's your opinion. Their pricing mirrors that of some other Wireless Broadand providers. >>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >>> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Really? I use the Maxon USB device, there is no username or password > there.. Isn't that a 1xRTT device ONLY? Not EV-DO? So a Telstra Mobile product instead of a Telstra Bigpond product? >>>> Bigpond offers 1xEV-DO on desktop (standalone modem) plans and mobile >>>> (PCMCIA) plans. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Isn't that a 1xRTT device ONLY? Not EV-DO? So a Telstra Mobile product > instead of a Telstra Bigpond product? No, you must be thinking about the Maxon Minimax device that is 1xRTT only. The BigPond desktop modem is a Maxon USB modem that is EV-DO only. KB Wrote: > Nick Adams wrote:[color=blue] > No, you must be thinking about the Maxon Minimax device that is 1xRTT > only. The BigPond desktop modem is a Maxon USB modem that is EV-DO > only. Maxon Minimax is both 1xRTT and 1xEVDO. http://www.maxon.com.au/products/consumers/consumers-minimax-home.asp SignatureDoofus the reason is mobility. You pay extra for that with the PCMCIA card. The idea is to limit the powered modem to a geographical location so it can't be used in a mobility situation (determined by ESN). > the reason is mobility. You pay extra for that with the PCMCIA card. > The idea is to limit the powered modem to a geographical location so it > can't be used in a mobility situation (determined by ESN). That's certainly their standard answer and makes sense to some degree, but as someone else well pointed out the cardbus roams to RTT which would cost them a lot more, in more ways than one. Why would 1xRTT it cost more?? Also, 1xRTT connectivity is would be resitricted to a geographical area as well. > Why would 1xRTT it cost more?? Also, 1xRTT connectivity is would be > resitricted to a geographical area as well. It costs more to the telco in terms of service quality since 1xRTT uses the same channel as voice services. It's the same reason why GPRS costs on GSM networks are very high since high GPRS use would leave fewer time slots available for voice calls and subsequently cause network congestion unless more cells/sectors are deployed. 1xRTT isn't restricted to a limited number of cell towers like EV-DO. 1xRTT has been deployed on almost every CDMA BTS in Australia since it only required a software update on the newer equipment and a small hardware change on the older CDMA base stations. EV-DO is limited in coverage since it must be deployed on a separate channel which requires new transmission hardware and multiplexers to be installed at each base station. > It costs more to the telco in terms of service quality since > 1xRTT uses the same channel as voice services. It's the same > reason why GPRS costs on GSM networks are very high since high > GPRS use would leave fewer time slots available for voice > calls and subsequently cause network congestion unless more > cells/sectors are deployed. Don't GSM voice calls get absolute priority over GPRS packets? AFIK, only spare slots are made available for GPRS. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. John I wrote: > Don't GSM voice calls get absolute priority over GPRS packets? > AFIK, only spare slots are made available for GPRS. Here's a reference: http://tinyurl.com/d62au See under "How is GPRS different to normal data call?" John |
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