Extract from SMH:
Minister joins call for better bush service
February 19, 2006 - 3:15PM
A federal minister has joined a growing chorus of coalition MPs concerned
about Telstra's rollout of a new mobile network for the bush.
Telstra plans to shut down is CDMA network, which services about 1.3 million
phone users mainly in regional areas, and replace it with a new service
known as 3G.
It says the new system will deliver faster speeds, wider coverage, and
better mobile services and will not be turned on until it can meet or exceed
the quality of the CDMA network.
But officials from the telecommunications giant last week told a Senate
estimates committee that Telstra could not guarantee people would not be out
of pocket from the changeover.
They also said Telstra had not started long-distance testing of the system
and the new phones and other technology people would have to buy were not
yet available.
Small Business Minister Fran Bailey, who represents the regional Victorian
seat of McEwen, said she was concerned not only about the cost but whether
the new system would deliver to the bush.
"We don't just want verbal reassurances - I want my constituents to see how
this system will work and that they aren't going to be disadvantaged in the
initial rollout or by what the system will deliver and cost of that system,"
Ms Bailey said.
Ms Bailey said she had met with Telstra officials, who had promised to
shortly run a workshop with MPs to discuss the new network.
But she said Telstra's regional clients, especially those involved in small
business and tourism, wanted evidence that their coverage would be as good
if not better than the old system.
Victorian Liberal senator Michael Ronaldson said Telstra needed to clarify
what it would provide customers when the new system kicked in.
Senator Ronaldson said that in November last year the telco said in a media
statement it would provide Telstra and Big Pond Wireless Broadband customers
with free upgrades and replacement data cards and modems.
But he said Telstra seemed to be withdrawing from this commitment by not
being able to assure customers they would not be out of pocket.
"These comments are a dramatic departure from the undertakings given last
November," he said.
"Telstra must immediately clarify the situation."
Communications Minister Helen Coonan has announced a task force to monitor
the shutting down of the CDMA system and rollout of 3G.
A spokesman for Telstra said the telco would be doing everything it could to
retain its existing customers and attract new ones.
"Politicians need to realise the market is so competitive we don't want to
lose a single customer and we have to ensure the technology is as good as
what's there or better otherwise we will go backwards," the spokesman said.
He said Telstra would offer special deals when it came to switching off its
CDMA network.
The telco was currently offering $250 in call credits to former Orange CDMA
customers to move over to Telstra.
"You will see the same competitive deals offered when the time comes to move
our customer base, if not before," the spokesman said.
AAP
thegoons - 19 Feb 2006 13:09 GMT
> Extract from SMH:
> Minister joins call for better bush service
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> CDMA
> customers to move over to Telstra.
Plus a 24-month noose around your neck.
> "You will see the same competitive deals offered when the time comes to
> move
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Michael - 20 Feb 2006 07:07 GMT
> > He said Telstra would offer special deals when it came to switching off
> > its
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>
> Plus a 24-month noose around your neck.
Feel free to come over with an MRO or an outright handset, and miss out on
the $250.
Its called choice, idiot
thegoons - 19 Feb 2006 13:14 GMT
> Extract from SMH:
> Minister joins call for better bush service
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> November," he said.
> "Telstra must immediately clarify the situation."
I am sure that statement will have the Telstra execs worried. Under Sol's
reign, Telstra execs are encouraged to give politicians to royal
one-fingered salute.
> Communications Minister Helen Coonan has announced a task force to monitor
> the shutting down of the CDMA system and rollout of 3G.
> A spokesman for Telstra said the telco would be doing everything it could
> to
> retain its existing customers and attract new ones.
Just like Orange did? Dump em.
> "Politicians need to realise the market is so competitive we don't want to
> lose a single customer and we have to ensure the technology is as good as
> what's there or better otherwise we will go backwards," the spokesman
> said.
Bullshit, there's no other competition in the bush CDMA-only areas apart
from satellite.
> He said Telstra would offer special deals when it came to switching off
> its
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Jeremy Quirke - 20 Feb 2006 10:51 GMT
> Extract from SMH:
> Minister joins call for better bush service
> February 19, 2006 - 3:15PM
>
> <removed useless content from article>
Can people at least use the correct name for the technology. It is NOT "3G",
that is the same as calling CDMA and GSM "2G" when they are completely
different.
It is UMTS-FDD, or 3GSM, or, less preferred, WCDMA.
Kwyjibo - 20 Feb 2006 13:26 GMT
>> Extract from SMH:
>> Minister joins call for better bush service
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>
> Can people at least use the correct name for the technology.
They are
> It is NOT "3G"
Yes it is.
> , that is the same as calling CDMA and GSM "2G" when they are
> completely different.
ADSL and Cable are completely different too. They are still both broadband
products though.
The term '3G' is determined by the *features* it offers. The technology used
is irrelevant.
> It is UMTS-FDD, or 3GSM, or, less preferred, WCDMA.
Or 3G for the non-anal.

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Jeremy Quirke - 20 Feb 2006 14:27 GMT
>>> Extract from SMH:
>>> Minister joins call for better bush service
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> They are
Yes, but when we're using the terms "GSM" and "CDMA" in the same article we
might as well be technically consistent. Given there are 2 3G standards
currently in use in Australia, we might as well call them by their name
rather than buzzwords.
It is this kind of terminology and a lack of basic categorization which has
confused many reporters into producing completely inaccurate reports - such
as the one about 3 of Telstra's networks being closed and replaced with an
"incompatible" one.
>> It is NOT "3G"
>
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> ADSL and Cable are completely different too. They are still both broadband
> products though.
Different situation.
> The term '3G' is determined by the *features* it offers. The technology
> used is irrelevant.
>
>> It is UMTS-FDD, or 3GSM, or, less preferred, WCDMA.
>
> Or 3G for the non-anal.
In national discussions as important as these, it is hardly anal.
Rod Speed - 20 Feb 2006 18:41 GMT
>>>> Extract from SMH:
>>>> Minister joins call for better bush service
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>
> In national discussions as important as these, it is hardly anal.
Corse it is when discussing what Telstra is proposing with their cdma.
Michael - 21 Feb 2006 09:09 GMT
> >>> Extract from SMH:
> >>> Minister joins call for better bush service
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> In national discussions as important as these, it is hardly anal.
Crapshit. Stof being anal
Jeremy Quirke - 21 Feb 2006 12:13 GMT
>> >>> Extract from SMH:
>> >>> Minister joins call for better bush service
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>
> Crapshit. Stof being anal
You're a funny one Michael. I never thought I'd see the day YOU called ME
anal.
Michael - 21 Feb 2006 09:08 GMT
> > Extract from SMH:
> > Minister joins call for better bush service
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>
> It is UMTS-FDD, or 3GSM, or, less preferred, WCDMA.
Thanks, we will just call it 3G, just like the rest of the world called AMPS
"analogue"
Craig Ian Dewick - 23 Feb 2006 01:50 GMT
>> > Extract from SMH:
>> > Minister joins call for better bush service
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>>
>> It is UMTS-FDD, or 3GSM, or, less preferred, WCDMA.
>Thanks, we will just call it 3G, just like the rest of the world called AMPS
>"analogue"
Interesting how AMPS provided better long-distance coverage in rural areas
than CDMA or any variant of '3G' is likely to for the forseeable future. And
in typical government stupidity it was shut down. We'll see the same thing
with free-to-air VHF and UHF television in a couple of years time when it's
closed down and that will limit choice to cable or nothing for a lot of
areas, and satellite or nothing in most of rural Australia.
Craig.

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Rod Speed - 23 Feb 2006 04:29 GMT
> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> writes
>>> thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote
>>>> Extract from SMH:
>>>> Minister joins call for better bush service
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> Thanks, we will just call it 3G, just like the rest of the world
>> called AMPS "analogue"
> Interesting how AMPS provided better long-distance
> coverage in rural areas than CDMA
Pig ignorant drivel.
> or any variant of '3G' is likely to for the forseeable future.
More pig ignorant drivel.
> And in typical government stupidity it was shut down.
> We'll see the same thing with free-to-air VHF and UHF
> television in a couple of years time when it's closed down
> and that will limit choice to cable or nothing for a lot of areas,
More pig ignorant drivel. Many get a much
better result with digital TV than with analog.
> and satellite or nothing in most of rural Australia.
More pig ignorant drivel population wise.
Michael - 24 Feb 2006 09:52 GMT
> >Thanks, we will just call it 3G, just like the rest of the world called AMPS
> >"analogue"
>
> Interesting how AMPS provided better long-distance coverage in rural areas
> than CDMA or any variant of '3G' is likely to for the forseeable future. And
Bit hard for AMPS to provide "better long-distance" coverage when the area
covered by CDMA now, is more than twice the area that AMPS *ever* covered
> with free-to-air VHF and UHF television in a couple of years time when it's
> closed down and that will limit choice to cable or nothing for a lot of
> areas, and satellite or nothing in most of rural Australia.
Crapshit as usual