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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / March 2006Why Don't Mobile Networks Offer Roaming?
Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of range of Optus towers. Was told a flat "no" and I have to scratch my head that in 2006 we're so far behind the rest of the world here when in other countries it's commonplace to have this facility. It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? What countries is it commonplace ? > What countries is it commonplace ? USA is one key market that comes to mind. Although as Rod would most likely say "Our market is nowhere near as f.cked up as theirs" :) >> What countries is it commonplace ? > > USA is one key market that comes to mind. Although as Rod would most > likely say "Our market is nowhere near as f.cked up as theirs" :) Not quite the same thing. The USA has many "smaller" mobile operators licenced to service a town. city or state. They roam onto other carriers just like 3 roams onto Telstra, to provide national coverage. > Not quite the same thing. The USA has many "smaller" mobile operators > licenced to service a town. city or state. They roam onto other carriers > just like 3 roams onto Telstra, to provide national coverage. The OP was a little ambiguous on that point. I suppose a better question would be where can one roam from one national network onto another. Vodafone and Telstra have an agreement but it is only localised. The technology certainly can be implemented, but maybe the operators wouldn't receive sufficient revenue for the expense required? >> Not quite the same thing. The USA has many "smaller" mobile operators >> licenced to service a town. city or state. They roam onto other [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > localised. The technology certainly can be implemented, but maybe the > operators wouldn't receive sufficient revenue for the expense required? Or maybe the national carriers dont see the point in that approach. They're right. >> Not quite the same thing. The USA has many "smaller" mobile operators >> licenced to service a town. city or state. They roam onto other carriers [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >technology certainly can be implemented, but maybe the operators >wouldn't receive sufficient revenue for the expense required? There is no technology required, overseas visitors get it by default. Is this true that 3 roams onto telstra? >>> What countries is it commonplace ? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > licenced to service a town. city or state. They roam onto other carriers > just like 3 roams onto Telstra, to provide national coverage. > Is this true that 3 roams onto telstra? Yes does it cost any more on the roam? >> Is this true that 3 roams onto telstra? > > Yes > does it cost any more on the roam? Dunno for sure. I dont think so, with postpaid. > >> Is this true that 3 roams onto telstra? > > > > Yes >does it cost any more on the roam? Not on Voice calls. However, they won't sign you up unless you're in a 3 3G area. They pay more for the calls. Their data definitely costs more in a Telstra GSM area. >>> Is this true that 3 roams onto telstra? >> >> Yes I see that their 6280 will only contract if you live or work in their coverage. After 12 months it says they will unlock the handset for free. Might have to get the bills sent to mums place in Melb seeing that telstra doesn't even offer this model yet. Rob >>does it cost any more on the roam? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> >>> Yes >I see that their 6280 will only contract if you live or work in their >coverage. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Rob You can get the bills sent there, but how are you going to show them ID and proof of residence? >>>does it cost any more on the roam? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>> >>>> Yes Just get Mum to get it in her name. Too easy. >>I see that their 6280 will only contract if you live or work in their >>coverage. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Yes I think you need to recheck re the cost of voice calls when roaming onto Testra - my friend tells me they charge her for ALL calls when she is out of the 3 area, whereas in the 3 area she gets the first 10 minutes of each call at no cost David > >does it cost any more on the roam? > > Not on Voice calls. However, they won't sign you up unless you're in a > 3 3G area. They pay more for the calls. > > Their data definitely costs more in a Telstra GSM area. Depending on the particular plan First 10 mins of calls from 3 mobile to 3 mobile is free even when roaming on telstra network. Same applies to the 24c for first 10 mins to landlines (I use this heaps). > > What countries is it commonplace ? > > USA is one key market that comes to mind. Although as Rod would most > likely say "Our market is nowhere near as f.cked up as theirs" :) Their market is f.cked, of course you have to roam if you only have licenses in say, 3 mainland states >> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What countries is it commonplace ? Brazil. Jeremy Quirke Wrote: > >> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > >> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What countries is it commonplace ? > Brazil. India with Airtel, Tata Indicom etc I'm pretty sure China and all the other "third world countries" offer the same feature.  SignatureUnkit > Jeremy Quirke Wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'm pretty sure China and all the other "third world countries" offer > the same feature. I don't think that they have national networks in India, hence the domestic roaming. > Jeremy Quirke Wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'm pretty sure China and all the other "third world countries" offer > the same feature. Yeah, but they have sh.t companies that arent national. Sure, you can national roam, with all the surcharges Michael Wrote: > > Jeremy Quirke Wrote: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Sure, you can national roam, with all the surcharges "Yeah, but they have sh.t companies that arent national."<---- Don't know what you are talking about Airtel is a NATIONAL carrier in India, works in every single city. "Sure, you can national roam, with all the surcharges" <----- Thats exactly what the guy wants to do.... SignatureUnkit On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:53:28 +1030, John (or one of their many personalities) said...... > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? If they did that, carriers would have to differentiate themselves with <gasp> service and pricing! > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person > on the line whether or not they offered roaming for > when you are out of range of Optus towers. > Was told a flat "no" and I have to scratch my head that > in 2006 we're so far behind the rest of the world here when > in other countries it's commonplace to have this facility. Pigs arse it is, and there arent all that many that have national mobile carriers in a place as big as ours anyway. > It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? Corse it isnt, some do in fact offer that, most obviously 3. > > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person > > on the line whether or not they offered roaming for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Corse it isnt, some do in fact offer that, most obviously 3. And Vodafone, onto Telstra, in a small scale > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? Nope, there is just no need for it >> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nope, there is just no need for it Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some of the least profitable areas of the continent. >>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some > of the least profitable areas of the continent. No we dont, duplication at most and that isnt in the least profitable areas either. Optarse resells Telstra cdma in those. >>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >>>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No we dont, duplication at most and that isnt in the least > profitable areas either. Optarse resells Telstra cdma in those. Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate infrastructure. >>> Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some >>> of the least profitable areas of the continent. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson > 3G - all separate infrastructure. And since when has Sydney metro been even close to being one of the least profitable areas of the country? SignatureKwyj > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote >>>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line whether >>>>> or not they offered roaming for when you are out of range of Optus >>>>> towers. >>>>> Was told a flat "no" and I have to scratch my head that in 2006 we're >>>>> so far behind the rest of the world here when in other countries it's >>>>> commonplace to have this facility. >>>>> It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? >>>> Nope, there is just no need for it >>> Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some of >>> the least profitable areas of the continent. >> No we dont, duplication at most and that isnt in the least >> profitable areas either. Optarse resells Telstra cdma in those. > Wrong again. We'll see... > Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, > Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate > infrastructure. Irrevant when discussing national networks. And you cant count the telstra GSM separately from the CDMA because you cant roam between those, stupid. There is certainly a duplication of the telstra and optarse GSM networks. Vodafone doesnt really duplicate those, its much more cream skimming in selected areas. The others arent anything like national networks and dont bother with least profitable areas at all except with GlobalStar. > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote >>>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line whether >>>>> or not they offered roaming for when you are out of range of Optus >>>>> towers. >>>>> Was told a flat "no" and I have to scratch my head that in 2006 we're >>>>> so far behind the rest of the world here when in other countries it's >>>>> commonplace to have this facility. >>>>> It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? >>>> Nope, there is just no need for it >>> Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some of >>> the least profitable areas of the continent. >> No we dont, duplication at most and that isnt in the least >> profitable areas either. Optarse resells Telstra cdma in those. > Wrong again. We'll see... > Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, > Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate > infrastructure. Irrevant when discussing THE LEAST PROFITABLE AREAS. And you cant count the telstra GSM separately from the CDMA because you cant roam between those, stupid. There is certainly a duplication of the telstra and optarse GSM networks. Vodafone doesnt really duplicate those, its much more cream skimming in selected areas. The others arent anything like national networks and dont bother with least profitable areas at all except with GlobalStar. > >>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > >>>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all > separate infrastructure. And I can guarantee you that ALL of the infrastructure will make profit in that particular area. >>>>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >>>>>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > And I can guarantee you that ALL of the infrastructure will make > profit in that particular area. No you cant. Orange CDMA doesnt, which is why the plug is being pulled on it. > >> Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, Telstra 3G, > >> Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone 3G, Orange CDMA and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No you cant. Orange CDMA doesnt, which is why the plug is being pulled on > it. Orange are ditching their WHOLE network, not just Sydney. You can be sure that they are making a profit in Sydney and Melbourne on CDMA. Its also ideological that they are dumping CDMA. They need to demonstrate that their 3 network is the bees knees, what better way than dumping CDMA? Telstra werent ever that stupid, they knew that CDMA had advantages over GSM and vice versa >>>> Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, >>>> Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone >>>> 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate infrastructure. >>> And I can guarantee you that ALL of the >>> infrastructure will make profit in that particular area. >> No you cant. Orange CDMA doesnt, which >> is why the plug is being pulled on it. > Orange are ditching their WHOLE network, not just Sydney. It isnt profitable anywhere, stupid. > You can be sure that they are making a > profit in Sydney and Melbourne on CDMA. Wrong, thats basically all they cover much and is where they are losing most of what they lose, stupid. > Its also ideological that they are dumping CDMA. Irrelevant to whether its profitable or not. > They need to demonstrate that their 3 network is the > bees knees, what better way than dumping CDMA? Mindlessly silly pig ignorant stuff, just what you'd expect from a dunny cleaning fuckwit child. > Telstra werent ever that stupid, they knew that > CDMA had advantages over GSM and vice versa How odd that the mex plans to pull the plug on cdma. Presumably you actually are that stupid. > >>>> Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, > >>>> Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It isnt profitable anywhere, stupid. Are you telling me, that in the Sydney CBD, Orange CDMA doesnt make a profit? Stark raving bonkers, ya are, Roddles > > You can be sure that they are making a > > profit in Sydney and Melbourne on CDMA. > > Wrong, thats basically all they cover much and is > where they are losing most of what they lose, stupid. Nope, they are losing profit in the other capitals they cover > > Its also ideological that they are dumping CDMA. > > Irrelevant to whether its profitable or not. Correct, however its a factor > > Telstra werent ever that stupid, they knew that > > CDMA had advantages over GSM and vice versa > > How odd that the mex plans to pull the plug on cdma. After how many years, hmmm, 9? clue for you: 2006-1999=7 + at least 2 more years presumably its served its purpose > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>> Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, >>>>>> Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone >>>>>> 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate infrastructure. >>>>> And I can guarantee you that ALL of the >>>>> infrastructure will make profit in that particular area. >>>> No you cant. Orange CDMA doesnt, which >>>> is why the plug is being pulled on it. >>> Orange are ditching their WHOLE network, not just Sydney. >> It isnt profitable anywhere, stupid. > Are you telling me, that in the Sydney CBD, No one said a words about the CBD, you silly little pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist. > Orange CDMA doesnt make a profit? > Stark raving bonkers, ya are, Roddles Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. >>> You can be sure that they are making a >>> profit in Sydney and Melbourne on CDMA. >> Wrong, thats basically all they cover much and is >> where they are losing most of what they lose, stupid. > Nope, they are losing profit in the other capitals they cover Not a f.cking clue, as always. >>> Its also ideological that they are dumping CDMA. >> Irrelevant to whether its profitable or not. > Correct, however its a factor Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. >>> Telstra werent ever that stupid, they knew that >>> CDMA had advantages over GSM and vice versa >> How odd that the mex plans to pull the plug on cdma. > After how many years, hmmm, 9? > clue for you: 2006-1999=7 + at least 2 more years Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag. > presumably its served its purpose Presumably Orange feels the same way, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit child. > > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > No one said a words about the CBD, you > silly little pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist. Sure, ok, Roddles. rephrase "are you telling me, that in the Sydney area, orange cdma doesnt make a profit?" > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>> Wrong again. Sydney metro = Telstra GSM, Telstra CDMA, >>>>>>>> Telstra 3G, Optus GSM,Optus 3G, Vodafone GSM, Vodafone >>>>>>>> 3G, Orange CDMA and Hutchinson 3G - all separate >>>>>>>> infrastructure. >>>>>>> And I can guarantee you that ALL of the >>>>>>> infrastructure will make profit in that particular area. >>>>>> No you cant. Orange CDMA doesnt, which >>>>>> is why the plug is being pulled on it. >>>>> Orange are ditching their WHOLE network, not just Sydney. >>>> It isnt profitable anywhere, stupid. >>> Are you telling me, that in the Sydney CBD, >> No one said a words about the CBD, you >> silly little pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist. > Sure, ok, Roddles. > rephrase "are you telling me, that in the Sydney > area, orange cdma doesnt make a profit?" Correct, they dont. Which is why they are pulling the plug on their cdma, stupid. They didnt get enough customers using it enough to be profitable. Essentially because the prices they had to charge to make it competitive with landline call charge costs doesnt produce enough revenue to make it profitable, particularly once everyone who used much volume headed off to the capped rates. > > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > They didnt get enough customers using it enough to be profitable. They didnt get enough customers using it enough to be profitable ACROSS THEIR ENTIRE NETWORK. In Sydney they would have easily made their money many times over, Melbourne included. >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > They didnt get enough customers using it enough to be profitable > ACROSS THEIR ENTIRE NETWORK. THEY DIDNT GET ENOUGH CUSTOMERS USING IT TO MAKE A PROFIT IN SYDNEY EITHER. > In Sydney they would have easily made their > money many times over, Melbourne included. How odd that thats about all they actually covered, fuckwit. > >> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > >> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure in some of the > least profitable areas of the continent. What parts of infrastructiure get triplicated? > Jeremy Quirke wrote >>> John <nooknook@hotmail.com> wrote >>>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >>>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of >>>> range of Optus towers. >>>> Was told a flat "no" and I have to scratch my head that in 2006 >>>> we're so far behind the rest of the world here when in other >>>> countries it's commonplace to have this facility. >>>> It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? >>> Nope, there is just no need for it >> Yeah, instead we have triplication of network infrastructure >> in some of the least profitable areas of the continent. > What parts of infrastructiure get triplicated? He's talking about the national GSM networks. You cant really count Vodafone there, it doesnt even attempt decent coverage, it just ignores the least profitable areas completely unless the govt pays for the infrastructure. > Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line > whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It is "too hard" for the carriers in this country to do this? Most carriers in this country are national carriers. In the us for example, most of the carriers are localised. Here we have a choice of 3 carriers, they each cover most of our nation (90+% of the population). Roaming agreements are not usually required, as they all have a "hopefully" equal coverage. It doesnt always work out to everyones satisfaction, but you DO have a choice. Choose the one that suits "your" area. I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM nationally. Lol but tough luck seeing it happen, this 'one' plan. It'll be expensive as hell if it did happen. >> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > satisfaction, but you DO have a choice. Choose the one that suits "your" > area. > I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM > nationally. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> satisfaction, but you DO have a choice. Choose the one that suits "your" >> area. 3 does , however roaming does not offset the crap call center and dodgy bills. >> I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM >> nationally. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >3 does , however roaming does not offset the crap call center and dodgy >bills. Only on Telstra. There are places where Telstra is not present and either one or both of the other carriers is. >>> I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM >>> nationally. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Only on Telstra. There are places where Telstra is not present and > either one or both of the other carriers is. if telstra or 3 doesnt cover it I doubt I give a shite cause I wont be visiting. so your point is ? > >3 does , however roaming does not offset the crap call center and dodgy > >bills. > > Only on Telstra. There are places where Telstra is not present and > either one or both of the other carriers is. And those places are VERY rare >I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM >nationally. > >Lol but tough luck seeing it happen, this 'one' plan. It'll be expensive as >hell if it did happen. Get an overseas SIM card. >>> Rang Optus out of curiosity and asked the person on the line >>> whether or not they offered roaming for when you are out of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> satisfaction, but you DO have a choice. Choose the one that suits "your" >> area. I couldnt get any service with vodafone in Hustbridge, Panton Hill, St.Andrews areas, so I rang up and asked if they do national roaming and they said yes in Victoria they do and now I get service in those areas thanks to telstra :-) >>I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or >>GSM [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> satisfaction, but you DO have a choice. Choose the one that suits "your" >>> area. > >I'm willing to pay extra if I can roam onto all the networks, 3g-UMTS or GSM > >nationally. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Get an overseas SIM card. Vodafone NZ prepaid will do |
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